From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #211 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 13 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 211 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Laura Nyro at Wolfgang's vault/NJC ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: Defenders of Wildlife NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate [Catherine McKay ] Re: Defenders of Wildlife, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: NJC Bad Songs [kjhsf@aol.com] RE: Defenders of Wildlife, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate ["Mark Angelo" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:55:56 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Laura Nyro at Wolfgang's vault/NJC Hi, for those of you who might not know, there is a Laura Nyro concert at Wolfgang's vault this week. Go to news@wolfgangsvault.com. It's under the heading of This week's B-side concerts. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 03:59:56 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC Hi Mark, Yes I knew Australia was a continent. I'm not yet afflicted with the Bush Doctrine...er I mean Bush Syndrome thankfully. As far as the social sciences aspect, no I had no idea that Australia was home to so many different ethnicities. I plead guilty for having always viewed it as a British penal colony, with descendants either of British extraction or the much smaller remaining numbers of Aboriginal people. To be honest, my knowledge of Australia is probably mainly from the film where Meryl Streep's character speaks so convincingly in one of her myriad accents "A dingo's got my baby!!". I had no idea there was such a mix of different ancestries. Oceania - recalls to mind the movie "1984" - yes I think I've heard of that area being named that. The Oceania in the movie - I believe at the time referred to Orwell's native England - could be wrong - though by extension if parallels were made today would be the USA in it's relentless aggressive Resource Wars (taking over from where Britain left off on it's quest for Empire), Britain, and of course Australia, New Zealand...not as certain about the other islands in the area. The New York - London - Tel Aviv Axis is to be preserved at all costs is the bottomline which means unceasing wars as depicted so brilliantly in the movie. Yes Australia is closer to the tropics, with the Tropic of Capricorn actually running through the northern portion, no part of the US mainland (including the Florida Keys) actually extends as far south as the Tropic of Cancer. Although the Key West - Miami - West Palm Beach corridor is commonly considered "tropical", it is technically subtropical. It is only because of the warm waters of the Gulf Stream that Miami rarely reaches freezing temperatures, and this allows tropical plants to flourish there. In fact, as I mentioned in an entirely different post, a native of yours, the Queensland Umbrella Tree - Schefflera Actinopylla - has actually escaped cultivation and is ubiquitous now in South Florida, as is the Melaleuca and is considered an "exotic pest" at this point. Your winters are warmer due to your being closer to the tropics, but also largely a function of far less land mass in the Southern Hemisphere than in the Northern Hemisphere, leaving a much larger area of water which retains heat much more efficiently than continental landmasses can (which readily radiate heat back to space) and makes the entire region somewhat warmer. If you like the weather in Sydney - apparently much like San Francisco "the air conditioned city", then you would be miserable in Florida's climate. It is hot and humid, nothing like the climate in LA, San Diego, or San Fran. Of course the narrow strip of California bordering the Pacific Ocean has high humidity and dew points, however, the temperature rarely consistently reaches that found in Florida, making for an overall more hospitable climate. Heat loving tropicals such as Coconut Palms, etc..fail miserably in California's climate. Cool, moisture loving plants such as Fuchsias do miserably in Florida's climate. It does seem odd to me though, that Mediterranean-type climates typically flank the west coast of continents, with the east coasts generally having much more humid conditions. This is why plants from Brazil, China, (Queensland) flourish in Florida's climate, however plants from the Mediterranean, South Africa, and particularly Australia such as the indigenous Eucalyptus, with few exceptions, flourishes primarily in the arid Southwest and California. An example of a disastrous introduction from the Americas - where cactus is indigenous - is the introduction to Australia of Opuntia - Prickly Pear Cactus - which spread like wildfire in a climate it found to it's liking. I think that rabbits were introduced to eat the cactus, and they subsequntly became uncontrollable as well?? Not sure about this, but always the law of unintended consequnce is at play. "We can solve everything with Science!! Science!! It's a way of getting what you want out of life." Getting what you want for awhile, that is ... as every action begets yet another unforeseen reaction. September 21 (sometimes it's the 22nd technically) is the date the sun passes the Equator and moves towards the Tropic of Cancer. I'm not sure what it's called ... I suppose it is the Spring Equinox for you all and the Vernal Equinox?? for us. Yes we also demarcate the seasons using the calendar year, thus our Fall is September 1 through November 30 (your Spring) though technically I suppose it begins on September 21st. Man it can be confusing ...Fall here...Spring there...ying and yang I guess. Nice wallpaper - thanks for that. I had to really look at it for awhile as the actress caught me off guard. I love the song SOSC, as living in the Deep South, I unfortunately know some of the Southern Belles it depicts, obviously narcissistic, who believe any means can be used as long as their ends are achieved. There are unfortunately many more narcissistic (and sociopathic) personalities you encounter the further up the rung you go in positions of power. It seems to me that they use these traits effectively to achieve their positions of authority, and do not relinquish them easily. That being said, I have never seen the movie "Gone With The Wind" - Really!! - - and I always assumed the song to be about the character from the movie. The face that I see on the wallpaper - though - seems to be none other than Faye Dunaway (of Network fame - an extremely prescient movie that depicted what is now happening with our Main Stream Media). So I read a bit about her, and yes she is a Southern Belle!! I had no idea. Born and raised in the panhandle of Florida, and even attending the University of Florida in Gainesville where she won a Beauty Queen pageant. I really had no idea. And some of the poses - on the Hejira album and even perhaps that which you chose for the Sydney performance - very "voguish" - seem to have been inspired partially by Ms. Dunaway. Yes the lines you chose were excellent "any man holding out his arm would soon be made to pay"...capturing this type of narcissism bordering on what is sometimes termed "malignant" - it can be emotionally draining and even sometimes ultimately deadly for those that unfortunately encounter such an opportunistic individual. I think the lines "out of the fire and still smouldering she says 'a woman must have everything" also capture this persona that can mimic emotions to impress, but that lacks empathy or a sense of consciousness. OK well it's almost 3:30 am EST here - I am so sleepy. We are lucky to have you as our lone spokesperson for the entire continent of Australia on things Joni and non-Joni btw!! - -- - -Mark On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > You're so insightful, Mark. You recognised that Australia is a continent. > Politically, though, the continent is Oceania which includes New Zealand, > Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Tahiti, etc. Sydney is actually a long way from the > tropics although Summers here are very hot. The Tropic of Capricorn runs > through far northern Queensland. That would be about 2-3 days drive from > here. I did not know that the earth is further away from the sun during our > Winter. It seems odd that Winter in Australia seems a lot warmer than most > northern hemisphere countries. Maybe we are just closer to the equator. > There are a lot of misconceptions about Australia it seems. One is that it's > hot all the time here. We do have mountain ranges where you can ski and > several inland towns and cities get snow. Just none of the major cities > because they are mostly on the coast. The other big misconception I've > noticed is about the ethnic mix. Australia is one of the most multicultural > countries in the world. The majority of Australians have one or both parents > born outside of Australia. We were only fully British during the penal > colony days. Since the end of that, many races shaped this country. First > came the southern Europeans - Italians and Greeks mostly. Then the Chinese > and southeast Asians. The Germans started the wine industry and others came > for gold. Sydney has a large Italian population along with Chinese, > Lebanese, Vietnamese, Greek, Indian, Syrian, Hungarian, Croatian, Serbian > and many others, probably in that order. Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Ba Ha'i, > Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Moonies. You name it, we got it. > As far as I understand, Sydney and San Francisco were the first two cities > in the "Sister Cities" program. In those days, it was because the two cities > shared a lot of similarities. Not having been to San Francisco, I believe > the two cities look a lot alike. Sydney is quite hilly in parts and is on a > harbour with a famous bridge. I noticed when I was in Los Angeles that the > weather seemed very similar. I think Florida would be a lot warmer than > Sydney. > > I guess September 21 is the Spring Solstice? We tend to do things much more > by the calendar. The academic year runs by the calendar (final exams at the > end of the year, etc) so, we consider Spring is September 1 to November 30. > > I only wish there were more Aussies on this list. I feel like I am the loan > voice for the entire nation. The only others that I know of is Melissa in > Sydney but she writes very infrequently, Don Whiteman in Sydney who is the > only JMDL member I've actually met who hardly writes any more too because > his job takes him out of the country a lot and a guy on the Central Coast > north of Sydney who never writes. > > You can see the wallpaper for Shades of Scarlet Conquering here > http://jmdl.com/wallpaper/wall_download.cfm?id=139&file=shadesofscarletconque ring.jpg > > I included the two actors mentioned in the song (one of them is an Aussie) > and the woman people suggested the song was about. > > Have a great Autumn day. > > Mark in Sydney > > On 13/09/2008, at 2:27 PM, Mark Angelo wrote: > > Hey Mark, > > Lord you must be the fastest writer on the continent of Australia!! I kind > of have a similar - but opposite - relationship with Apples and my younger > brother as well ...who was offered a job...in Los Angeles of all places - > *sigh* - I'd love to see Joni's hacienda style house in BelAir one day - > maybe I can fly out there next Summer. Oh yeah he interned there this > Summer, they offered him the job, he's back here in Florida to finish his 2 > remaining semesters of a 3 year curriculum - and off to LA - City of > Concrete Angels. Yeah my brother has from the very start preferred Apples, I > think owing to the fact that also here in the US Apple has been very > involved with all levels of schooling in supplying computers. He has always > had Apples, owning a PowerMac similar to yours at this time as I recall, and > since he was the computer "whiz" in the family, influenced my parents and > myself and we have had nothing but Apples. He worked in the computer field > for years, and was made to use Microsoft by virtue of the popularity of the > product in the workplace, and he has always detested MS. I know Apple has > been heavily vested in schools at least since the Apple II. And the eMac, of > which I've owned two (one was stolen by drug lord neighbors in Tucson), was > originally intended for schools only, hence the "e -education" but so many > people sought it that Apple unleashed it on the public, it was a great > computer, kinda reminded me of a really, really, bloated iPod. I also have > invariably always had the habit of going for the "underdog"...which hasn't > worked out so well at times but that is another story. I too am a very > visual person, as is Joni obviously, and will let minor details upset me if > they don't form part of a coherent theme, though I'm not nearly as bad as I > used to be in that regard as far as furnishings, etc... You tend to become a > bit more ecclectic when your budget dictates that. > > I think your idea of using photos as close to the time of the performance > as you can obtain is a great idea, and indeed it fits into your need for > consistency, an overall theme, and attention to details such as timeframe. I > really like the picture of the Sydney Opera House bathed in the rose colored > lights at night. I only had the four images to work with when I wrote the > post, I see I now have 7 from the two performances. I did remark that the > photograph, when I reflected on it, had a sophisticated look about it - > similar to Hejira in a way - very provacative, it definitely caught my > attention and I see now that the use of the colors is consistently > maintained throughout. I can't find the Shades of Scarlet Conquering > wallpaper - I must not have it. > > I too learn more about Joni from the list bit by bit, including also only > realizing that "I Had A King" was written about her former husband, Chuck, > only after viewing a video that Bob had posted a link to. Also in that - > well I think the sequel to that video - I saw a picture of her parents for > the first time. It seemed apparent from that picture that Joni largely takes > after her father, at least in stature, and perhaps this is a factor in her > father's being depicted as consistently validating in her songs, with her > mother largely invalidating, though I suspect it has more to do with each of > their inherent temperaments. > > I always assumed Sydney had a subtropical climate...I know here in Florida > (north) the rainy season is coming to an end and without the cloud cover it > was an extremely hot today...my apartment a/c even set at 78 degree F ran > all day long. Of course it's not coming on as often at night - reflected in > the electric bill hopefull - while the "bottom half" of the planet (just > kidding) will have increasingly longer and hotter days after September 21. > It's odd but the Earth (my inner geologist speaking) is actually at it's > closest to the Sun during our Northern Hemispshere Winters and farther from > the Sun during your Southern Hemisphere Winters. If that wasn't the case, > the Winters in the Northern Hemisphere would be slightly more cold than they > are. And they're too cold as it is!!! Or some are complaining too warm now > due to man-made CO2 levels !!! It's the human condition I think...the only > constant other than Northern Stars (in the back of bars) and the Moon at our > Windows is ch-ch-ch-change. > > -- > -Mark en Florida al Norte > > NP: Laura Pausini: No Me Lo Puedo Explicar > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Mark-Leon Thorne > wrote: > >> Hi Mark. >> My brother despises Apple and all of their products. Mainly because of >> their corporate practices and marketing strategies. I was a victim of those >> marketing strategies and now I wouldn't use anything else. I don't have an >> iPod yet because I've been waiting for the 3G iPhone. I'm not sure if this >> was true in other countries or still true here for that matter but Apple's >> biggest strategy was to do deals with schools and universities to get first >> time computer users used to the Macintosh platform and get them hooked. Of >> course, all my papers and lab reports were typed on ClarisWorks. I could >> always switch to Windows (Windoze) but I despise Microsoft even more. Apple >> was always an "underdog" to me and that was good enough reason to prop them >> up. Of course, now I'm into graphic design, I know I made the right choice. >> When Apple's products work, they are unbeatable. They are all so sexy >> looking too. I a a very visual person. >> >> That brings me to my graphic design style. Without having thought about >> it, consciously, I realise that my style tends to be on the stark side. I >> like solid colours. As I'm writing this, I look around my house and realise >> that my house is the same. I don't have anything with patterns on. All of my >> furniture (apart from the woodgrain) are in solid colours. In my living >> room, I have deep maroon curtains, two plain blue couches, even the rug is a >> plain green. I like continuity too. A theme. The photos I choose for my Joni >> covers (DVD and CD) must be connected to the content somehow. The same goes >> for my wallpapers. All the elements in my wallpapers have something to do >> with the song they are based on. Take a look at my wallpaper for Shades of >> Scarlet Conquering. The photograph itself will often set the general style >> of the design. I actually like that photo of Joni on the Opera House CD. I >> think it looks sophisticated and I like the colours. Also, that photo was >> taken in 1983 - the year of that performance. The colours are very 1980s to >> me. They often throw different coloured lights on the Sydney Opera House for >> special events (Olympic Games, etc) and this photo suited perfectly. >> >> As a matter of interest, the photographs on the Carnegie Hall CD cover are >> actually all from that concert. If I don't have photos from the actual >> performance, I will try to get as close as possible and use photos from the >> same time period. That's my obsession with continuity. I fantasise that I am >> designing these for an official release and try to make it look like a >> retail release. I get inspired by the information that I learn from this >> list about Joni's songs too. Since I learned that, I Had a King was written >> about Joni's ex husband, Chuck, I got excited that I actually had a wedding >> photo of the two of them and based my wallpaper around that. I Had a King >> is, to me, Joni taking mental notes on how to not make the same mistakes as >> in the past - "Beware of the power of moons" so, I tried to make it look >> like she had handwritten that line on her wedding photo as reminder to >> herself. >> >> I will be uploading more in the near future and you can be assured that >> the cover art will be completely relevant to the recording. Thanks to Bob M >> and everyone else who has sent me these recordings over the years. Now you >> know what I'm doing with them. >> >> Mark in Sydney >> (on a 30: day - a taste of things to come) >> >> NP Lazy Moon - Groove Armada >> >> Now I have to go and vote in the local elections. >> >> On 13/09/2008, at 12:16 PM, Mark Angelo wrote: >> >> Mark, yes it sounds overall like a "neat" - how that dates me - thing. I'm >> sure I'll click on "Update" getting tired of clicking "Ignore" one of these >> days. Interesting how Apple has taken the "Genius" moniker from it's Apple >> Stores and is using in it's applications. Somehow I don't think it will >> create the craze that the "i" in front of *everything* did ..."iMac, iTunes, >> iPod, etc...). As far as the privacy, again I suppose at some point you >> just realize that the government/corporate complex already has boatloads of >> information regarding everyone thanks to the digital age, and you eventually >> just acquiesce. If the MICC - military-industrial-congressional complex - >> yes I have been reading too much I suppose on the intertubes - considers you >> "subversive" somehow...for instance even the word "biosphere" is slightly >> subversive as it speaks to a concern greater than and beyond nationalism >> (tks Dorion Sagan), as are most certainly artists that have any real >> substance to their work (and the admirers thereof subscribing to mailing >> lists like this). So in short, I'm not exactly worried at this point what >> lists I am on to a large degree, with all sorts of proponents of free speech >> (Naomi Wolf, etc...) already on the ever-growing 'No-Fly List" as well as >> others. >> >> The visualizer sounds pretty cool. I already downloaded Firefox 3, I don't >> see as of yet much difference, however, the "platinum" style native >> interface was a real shocker!! So much so, I've had to download a skin that >> looks more like the old one as I just can't quite get used to the new >> interface - even if it now resembles the interfaces of other Apple >> applications. I'll come around eventually I'm sure. BTW I'm just getting >> around to playing the Joni performances at the Sydney Opera House - thanks >> they are fantastic!! Also I had no idea you did the graphic designs for the >> covers of the DVD's until yesterday, they are truly wonderful!! "And here I >> sit the critic"...I've only viewed four images so far via Preview, I like >> them all, only...well...the one photo of Joni where she is kind of frowning >> and looking quite the sophisticate with the "cigarillito" in hand, well, I >> think that maybe one of the worst photos of her ever...I mean this is a >> woman who cannot help but look beautiful in every single photograph, but >> this one ... is different...maybe that's why you picked it...perhaps it will >> grow on me as does all of her music. Sometimes - in addition to the music of >> course - I think FTR is some people's favorite as that picture of her in >> shades of green in the seclusion of the woods in Canada, is IMHO one of her >> very best photos for some reason. She simply radiates beauty in that >> peaceful, natural surrounding, as if that is where she finds G-d, which I >> believe is pretty close to the mark - open for criticism here - but her >> references through the years, and especially lately with "spirit of the >> water" which is what life is - animated water essentially - also being >> nature or by extension reality - I think that may come close to Joni's G-d. >> It is my definition now - oh and I know I'm opening myself up to all kinds >> of private emails with quotes from Mohamed and the Koran, etc... - but who >> cares?? To each his (or her) (or it's) own. The other image that stands out >> of course is that from Hejira - which I suppose the one you've used comes >> close to approximating in a way - with the cigarette and a kind of >> sophisticated look as well...but the way the cigarette bends her lips >> downwards to the left...ok I guess I'm getting obsessed with details...I >> guess I want to say a good choice now as it is quite a provocative image of >> Joni if not her most flattering...and that is what art is about huh?? >> >> Terra, I always enjoy reading your posts. I agree with so much of what you >> have to say. I also don't have nor do I want an iPod...I actually got one >> free (well it was supposed to be free, Apple was a bit deceptive in it's >> advertising) with this first version of the 17" iMac "Core Duo"....WHOA what >> a name!!). Actually the iMac boots so fast (in under 30 seconds) and is so >> ....um .... awesome??....in the over two years that I've had it I have >> absolutely no desire for another computer for a change. I even prefer the >> original white plastic enclosure to the aluminum they're using now (though >> the 100 percent recyclable thingy is admirable). Anyhow I gave it to my Mom, >> who walks all over the place with it listening to ABBA of all bands. The >> thing I don't like about the iPod and many other "must have" devices, is >> that apparently there is a unique metal in it, I forget what it is, >> Indium??, and essentially only comes from one place in Africa where it is >> mined. Also the batteries are not user-replaceable, so one must return the >> iPod to get an expensive battery replacement, and I believe most are simply >> tossed in favor of "newer, improved, better" ones. Whatever this metal is, >> and the exploitation of one or two African nations, is talked about in The >> Story of Stuff , which blows your mind when >> it is revealed I believe that 99 percent of what we buy is thrown away in >> the first 6 months. >> >> Also I tend to exhibit the old-fashioned way of doing things as you do, I >> think that is fairly normal, never using the shuffle/random feature either. >> I also think that it is a bit bewildering, the technology and the uber >> abundance of data and choices and micro niche markets. Of course, futurist >> Alvin Toffler wrote about this in the 70's in his book, Future Shock, and >> the human psyche can only keep up with so change, the rate of which has been >> accelerating because of (formerly) cheap fossil fuels. As Energy Wars break >> out over the planet, with the realization finally taking place by the public >> that peak conventional oil production peaked in May of 2005 (which >> corresponds not so coincidentally with the beginning of the bursting of the >> housing bubble) I think a return to simpler ways will be de rigour. Of >> course, the USA when backed in a corner, as it is now as the largest debtor >> nation on Earth, will continue with it's "might is right" mindset and who >> knows what will be the consequence? This will happen under either McCain or >> Obama, as neither could reach their present positions of power without being >> staunch supporters of American Hegemony. Of course, I'd prefer it be Obama, >> as all of these visuals of gun-totin' Frances McDormand Fargo-accented >> Beauty Queen wrapped up in an American Flag Sarah Palin and her lack of >> respect or regard for the dignity of other creatures that share her very >> same DNA (does she even know what that is??) is beyond appalling to me. Also >> Frances McDormand of Fargo fame was a respectable, genuine, intelligent, >> insightful woman. Mrs. Palin is none of those. >> >> OK I've just probably earned my way onto sundry lists kept by the >> government/corporate complex now. I'll probably regret it. But the laws she >> passed in Canada regarding the incentives of shooting of wildlife by air and >> otherwise, as well as her pictures with all of her hunting "trophies" >> seemingly omnipresent on the Internet, make me angry enough to (*drum roll* >> with expectations of CIA knocking at the door)...well...say that she is not >> a very nice woman!!! >> >> Peace >> -- >> -Mark in Florida >> >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:18 AM, T Peckham wrote in part: >> >>> Interesting discussion. I don't have an iPod (and have no need or desire >>> for one), so I had no idea of all the features, old or new. >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > -Mark in Florida > > > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:28:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: One of the tightest rock-n-roll songs of all time njc I dunno, was at a party a year or two ago- about 50 or so pretty fine musicians off all genres jamming to this song- pretty incredible with a whole room singing & playing along... kate RR>Funny, I had that song going through my head all day, then I read your post. It certainly is incredible in a very unassuming way. And no one could ever do a better version than the Stones did.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:13:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC the worst song ever - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mark Scott wrote: I > can still remember roaring at the chorus of > 'Jackie': > > If I could be for only an hour > If I could be for an hour every day > If I could be for just one little hour > Cute, cute, cute in a stupid-ass way > These lines come to me from time to time (for some stupid-assed reason.) When I was in Grade 10, our English teacher arranged for our class to go and see "Jacques Brel is alive and well..." It was the first live stage play I had ever seen, and it was kind of naughty (at least to me, at the time) and I just loved it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Defenders of Wildlife NJC - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Kate Bennett wrote: > > Thanks Terra & Cindy for your comments. High five to > ya'll. > > > > How the @#$% can someone say they are pro life when they > are pro animal > slaughter & pro bush doctrine (& speaking of that, > how is it that a > potential vp doesn't even know what the bush doctrine > is?) > > Hmm. I wonder what her thoughts are on capital punishment. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:58:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > That brings me to my graphic design style. Without having > thought > about it, consciously, I realise that my style tends to be > on the > stark side. [...] The photos I choose for my Joni covers (DVD > and CD) > must be connected to the content somehow. The same goes for > my > wallpapers. All the elements in my wallpapers have > something to do > with the song they are based on. Mark, I've noticed and I love it. It's evident to me that lots of thought goes into your artwork. It's classy and tasteful and completely appropriate. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC - --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > There > are a lot of misconceptions about Australia it seems. One > is that > it's hot all the time here. ... > The > other big > misconception I've noticed is about the ethnic mix. > Australia is one > of the most multicultural countries in the world. The > majority of > Australians have one or both parents born outside of > Australia. So glad you brought that up. I must confess that I'm one of those ignorant slobs that thought Australia was always hot everywhere. We learned about it in Grade 5 geography and that was a long time ago for me, so it may just have been assumptions I made, or it may have been the too-quick way we brushed over the continents of the world. I thought that it was hot all the time everywhere in South America too, except for the southern part of Argentina, I suppose. My ex-mother-in-law's brother moved to Australia quite a while back. Her family was all Italian and they are scattered all over the world and never stayed in touch with one another. But I do know her brother was here in Canada for a while, but left for Australia maybe 40 years ago. I'm sure he is dead now, but he had two sons and a daughter and I imagine they're still there. There are at least a couple of other Australians on the list that I know of, or they were here and maybe have left or are else being very silent. One of the things I love about this list is its diversity, although we are very heavy on USAians. I sometimes wonder if there are any Mexicans, or anyone from China or India, for example. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:15:42 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar Oh thank you so much, Catherine. You know, I would love to be doing this professionally but I have no qualifications so, I continue in the only industry I know - Nursing. I guess a creative outlet balances the precision of my working life. It's enough really that people get what I'm doing and appreciate it. Thanks for letting me know that you "get" it and to all the other people who have sent me private e-mails of appreciation. It makes it more worthwhile somehow to share this enjoyment. Joni is my favourite subject. It is the woman and her work that inspires me. I do CD and DVD covers for other artists too but it's Joni that fills the bulk of my work. Stay tuned for some more. Mark in Sydney On 13/09/2008, at 10:58 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> That brings me to my graphic design style. Without having >> thought >> about it, consciously, I realise that my style tends to be >> on the >> stark side. > [...] > > The photos I choose for my Joni covers (DVD >> and CD) >> must be connected to the content somehow. The same goes for >> my >> wallpapers. All the elements in my wallpapers have >> something to do >> with the song they are based on. > > > Mark, I've noticed and I love it. It's evident to me that lots of > thought goes into your artwork. It's classy and tasteful and > completely appropriate. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and > bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate > --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mark-Leon Thorne > wrote: > > There are a lot of misconceptions about Australia it seems. > One is that it's hot all the time here. > Come to think of it, quite a few people think that in Canada it's cold all the time. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:53:15 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Worst song Hi, I was about to write "there are many wonderful versions of BSN out there".... but its not true! TO me there is the one on BSN and a few others (including Dave and Robin's!), and a whole load of terrible terrible versions.... As for Abba, I guess I can't explain what it is. There is a lot of 'happy' pop-music that doesn't have that effect on me, but Abba and Michael Jackson just get on my nerves. I won't get into the gory details of how perfidiouslyI dislike them, since so many people love them! Have a nice weekend... Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:56:02 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC Catherine, this is a little disconnected for me since I am on the Joni-only list. I only get the messages that are sent to me personally too. As you know, I am a bit of a Canada-phile. I love pretty much anything Canadian. It's so odd when I meet tourists or see Australia depicted on foreign TV shows (ie. The Simpsons, etc). People seem to think it's all desert here. It's true that there is a massive desert in the middle but that's like assuming Canada is all tundra. It is a very large country with lots of climates and landscapes. We have mountain ranges where there are blizzards, lush rainforests, large grass plains, huge canyons, big modern cities and one of the longest coastlines in the world with white sand beaches. Islands too. There are hundreds of islands - some tropical, some frozen wastelands. We are not a population of sheep farmers or Crocodile Dundees. Yes, those things exist and are a part of our culture but so are the early Italian settlers and the Hungarian workers who came to this country for a free life, to make a new start. They are the ones who forged this culture. The 20 million people here form one of the most diverse cultures in the world. The majority of people here were either born overseas or have at least one parent born elsewhere. In the beginning, most of us were of British stock but that balance changed sometime in the 1950s. I, myself, have Danish blood and an Italian step father. That's not unusual here to have such a mix. Generally, the continent of Australia (terra australis incognito) is warmer than say, the USA. We are a little closer to the equator but the continent extends a long way south. It would take me about 2-3 days to drive to the Tropic of Capricorn. It is half a continent away. It would take me at least a day to get to the desert. The term, "outback" came about because of the Blue Mountains just west of Sydney. It was an unpassable barrier for a long time until Blaxland, Wentworth and Lawson forged a path across them. Until then, everything west of the mountains was "the outback": out the back of the mountains. Not just the desert but the Western Plains and Southern Tablelands too. One of my neighbours from my old place was a girl from London. She said to me that the one thing that surprised her when she arrived in Australia was that there were so many tall skyscrapers. That blew me away. What did she expect to find here? A series of tiny outback towns? On the whole, those visiting Sydney would find the culture very similar to the United States or Canada. Glass towers and millions of people rushing around, going to work in offices, traffic jams, homeless people on the streets, junkies, everything you would find in any western city. The weather is mostly quite pleasant, not unlike Los Angeles. We are huge consumers too. I read some statistics once that named Australia as the biggest buyers of music in the world. We are also the fastest nation to pick up on new products. Within a year or two of mobile phones being released, something like 85% of the population had one. The same goes for plasma TVs, any new electronic device, everyone has one almost immediately. We are not rich like the Swedish but we have one of the highest minimum wages in the world and an unemployment level of 4.5% nationally. It is a shame there aren't more vocal Aussies on the list. Many people know the music of Joni Mitchell and I'm sure there are a lot of fans. One thing that would have hindered that would be her lack of appearances here. She only toured here once and a second trip to promote her album. My sister was a folk singer in the '70s and won some competitions. My earliest memory of Joni's music was when my sister included Big Yellow Taxi in her repertoire. She slowly gave up singing due to a lack of confidence and became a drummer. Then she got into heavier style rock music but has long since quit music all together. I've asked her what she thinks of Joni's music more recently but she's not a big fan. A little too touchy feely for her I think. Plus she know how obsessed I am about her so she steers clear of my obsessions. So who do you think will become a republic first? Canada or Australia? Mark in Sydney On 13/09/2008, at 11:08 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >> There >> are a lot of misconceptions about Australia it seems. One >> is that >> it's hot all the time here. > > ... > >> The >> other big >> misconception I've noticed is about the ethnic mix. >> Australia is one >> of the most multicultural countries in the world. The >> majority of >> Australians have one or both parents born outside of >> Australia. > > So glad you brought that up. I must confess that I'm one of those > ignorant slobs that thought Australia was always hot everywhere. We > learned about it in Grade 5 geography and that was a long time ago > for me, so it may just have been assumptions I made, or it may have > been the too-quick way we brushed over the continents of the > world. I thought that it was hot all the time everywhere in South > America too, except for the southern part of Argentina, I suppose. > > My ex-mother-in-law's brother moved to Australia quite a while > back. Her family was all Italian and they are scattered all over > the world and never stayed in touch with one another. But I do know > her brother was here in Canada for a while, but left for Australia > maybe 40 years ago. I'm sure he is dead now, but he had two sons > and a daughter and I imagine they're still there. > > There are at least a couple of other Australians on the list that I > know of, or they were here and maybe have left or are else being > very silent. > > One of the things I love about this list is its diversity, although > we are very heavy on USAians. I sometimes wonder if there are any > Mexicans, or anyone from China or India, for example. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new > Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:52:16 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate > Come to think of it, quite a few people think that in Canada it's cold all > the time. It is. Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Trivial Joni.... The other night, I was running a live show at the radio station I work at when the host handed me a mixed cd of songs with which he wanted a couple to play during the show. I noticed that Big Yellow Taxi was on the cd! Now the host didn't ask for that song to be played during the show that night but while I was playing his commercials, I was listening to the song in cue (off air and just in my studio) and it made my day just a little better. Just a little....since I would have rather had Coyote or something on there. But all was well since normally I'm used to just hearing conservatives bitching about something or another..... - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Defenders of Wildlife, njc An animal lover wrote: "How the @#$% can someone say they are pro life when they are pro animal slaughter..." Hi Kate, Slaughter is the hellish thing done to pigs, chickens, cows, buffalo, sheep and whatever else we find in the miles of meat aisles in our grocery stores. Until that killing stops, we haven't got a chance of protecting the much smaller scale killing of animals in the wild. Love, Laura (pro all animal life, not just wildlife) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:55:42 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Bad Songs OH MY! I wasn't aware that anyone else had heard Ms. Snowden!? Once you hear her, you literally cannot forget the tunes, for better or for worse. "In, Canada, they'll treat you like a queen In Canada, they never will be mean..." BJ's CD is among my favorite odd Cd's? along with Kathy Barr's "Follow Me" (to this day,I cannot figure out whether or not this is a joke cd) and Cybill Shepard's "Vanilla" (her rendition of a "Foggy Day In Londontown" must be heard to be believed) Ken - -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Eisenhardt To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 8:08 am Subject: NJC Bad Songs Thanks to the person who posted the link to The Sandpiper's version of? 'Louie, Louie'...now that's BAD!? ? Any discussion of the best of the worst has to include a nod BJ Snowden's? 'In Canada'....This tune was written and sung by BJ, who also played all? the instruments. This artist was brought to our attention by our own? Roberto Holliston of Victoria, BC, who always gets a patriotic charge when? the strains of 'In Canada' fill the air.? ? You can hear a sample at www.BJSnowdenmusic.com, but like me, after getting? a taste, you may have to acquire the whole song from Itunes.? ? Chuck? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:44:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Defenders of Wildlife, njc Right you are Laura & Catherine, for one to claim they are pro life, this should extend to all beings four legged or two legged, guilty or innocent. The proposed bounty on a foreleg of a wolf is really what really set me over the edge about Palin forever more. It is neanderthal. We all have our buttons- that is one of mine. May she disappear back into the wilds of Alaska & fade far far away from our national view. As a side note, friends who have a place in Montana tell me how they have hunters trespassing on their land all the time. Apparently there is some sort of high tech device that allows hunters to track their prey from the comfort of their home & when they find it, they just jump in their truck, drive however many miles to the spot & make the kill. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:19:25 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar NJC now climate Catherine, I'm one of those people that thinks it's (relatively) cold all the time. Though I do realize in Summer you have longer days and more sunshine than those of us further to your south, with a growing season where you can grow plants that I probably would not even recognize. I remember yellow Forsythia, Flowering Quince, and a few other plants from when I spent two semesters at Colorado College. I had to buy a parka for the first time in my life - I'd never even heard of them before, and I remember walking to the cafeteria at breakfastime, my hair still somewhat wet from having showered, and it would freeze. It was beautiful country, I just could not deal with the cold (They say it is a "dry" cold - one in which you can golf in the wintertime...um ....hello...golf??) ...anyways it was not my cup of tea to put it mildly, and I remember calling my grandparents - now deceased - - in Clearwater, FL and they'd tell me it was 70 degrees in January. So it was off to Florida, and that was my fill of living in a cold climate. I know in Tucson and in many of the "sky island" mountain chains in the area, such as the Santa Catalinas and Mount Lemmon, it is said that going from the desert floor (at 2500 feet elevation there) to the top of Mount Lemmon, it is akin to traveling northwards to the latitude of Canada, with the change in ecosystems that you encounter, with largely forests of various pine trees covering the upper elevation. On a hot summer day of say 103 in Tucson, it would be a much cooler 73 degrees up on Mount Lemmon, overlooking the Sonoran Desert. About 30 degrees difference as I recall. Well, of course Joni's many lyrics also reinforce the notion that Canada is pretty cold... "It's a long long way from Canada A long way from snow chains Donkey vendors slicing coconuts No parkas to their name" I think the climate that you come to prefer (with many exceptions) is often that in which you spent your formative years. I suppose whatever it is that you associate with "home" is the climate you acclimate to and view as being preferable. And although LA is considered "warm" by Canadians and Americans alike, my recollection of still having to wear a jaket at nightime in May - well to me - that seems "cool", very cool actually. - --Mark in Florida On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:26 AM Catherine McKay wrote: "Come to think of it, quite a few people think that in Canada it's cold all the time." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:49:23 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon what I would like to know is: does Sharon keep in touch with Joni, and if so, how often do they talk to each other, or spend time with each other?> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:12:57 -0700> From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca> Subject: Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon> To: scjoniguy@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org; northern.muse@gmail.com> > Lisa picked up Muller's and my names from one of the archives (how weird is that, given the discussion about that within the last week or two.) She said that (like many of us) she had been doing a search on her name, then decided to do a search on her mother's name and came across one of the archives (she thought it was a blog of some kind) and found Muller's and my e-mail addresses, so she e-mailed the two of us. In fact, she had an older e-mail address of Muller's, so I forwarded the e-mail to his current one.> > I don't even remember any discussion about Sharon having made a record, but Muller has a copy.> > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, T Peckham wrote:> > > > Wow, cool! I have to admit I missed the genesis of this--was> > it on the list,> > or at the website? And Sharon made a record? If you could> > direct me to more> > info on this, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Terra> > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Bob Muller> > wrote:> > > > > Howdy all,> > >> > > Thanks to Catherine, Sharon Veer (of "Song For> > Sharon" fame)'s daughter> > > Lisa has contacted us and is intrigued that we> > Joniphiles are an inquisitive> > > bunch when it come to details about our Joni.> > >> > > Lisa gave me this update on Sharon:> > >> > > "She's actually retired from> > > teaching for a few years now, but she's continued> > to sing through the> > > years.> > > She'd still like to make another recording, but I> > don't think it will be in> > > the near future. I have to say that she was quite> > astonished to discover> > > that people wanted to know who she was. I spoke with> > her this evening about> > > it and forwarded your emails. I hope that was ok. She> > was quite tickled.> > >> > > My parents still live on> > > the farm and one of my sisters lives in the province,> > as well. My other> > > sister lives in British Columbia, and my brother has a> > house in Alberta,> > > but> > > mostly lives in China.> > >> > > The last time I saw Joni was last year at her> > mother's funeral in> > > Saskatoon.> > > Both my mum and I went. Mert was a great lady; 95 when> > she died. Her> > > husband, Bill, is still well at 96. They're like> > grandparents to me. He and> > > my grandfather share a birthday, interestingly enough.> > >> > > I don't know what you might want to know, but I> > can try to answer your> > > questions if you like."> > >> > > So I thought it might be fun to conduct sort of an> > online interview with> > > Sharon Bell Veer and thought I'd ask for y'all> > to suggest some questions.> > > Let me know what you think and I'll compile them> > and get some responses.> > > Should be pretty cool!> > >> > > Bob> > >> > > > > > > > - -- > > Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in:> > You can kiss my> > sweet ass.> > > __________________________________________________________________> Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at> http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? 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