From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #208 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 12 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 208 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Link to the Sydney Opera concert ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Live At Carnegie Hall ["T Peckham" ] Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar - Now NJC ["T Peckham" ] NJC Bad Songs [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon [Catherine McKay ] Re: weird, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon ["T Peckham" ] njc, You cannot be trusted, McCain and Palin [Patti Parlette ] njc, CHALK4PEACE and Harvest Moon weekend [Patti Parlette ] RE: Defenders of Wildlife NJC [Cindy Vickery ] NJC Shine for Obama! U.S. Politics [Debra ] Re: NJC the worst song ever [Lieve Reckers ] NJC Jacques Brel [Vince ] Re: Defenders of Wildlife NJC ["T Peckham" ] RE: NJC Shine for Obama! U.S. Politics [Patti Parlette ] njc, shelter from the storm [Patti Parlette ] Re: (NJC) Worst Song Ever [David Eoll ] Re: NJC the worst song ever ["Mark Scott" ] urgent question from Jody Johnson [Patti Parlette ] Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar - Now NJC ["Mark Angelo" Subject: Link to the Sydney Opera concert Thank you so much guys for enabling me to download! I haven't listened yet but certainly will sometime during the weekend. And Mark in Sydney, your designs are superb as usual! Marion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:52:20 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: Worst song "In my opinion the worst song ever is a a million versions of Both Sides Now, jeeeeesus does that song annoy me when sung by tow chinese teenagers. It really gets unbearable. That and anything by Abba." Ah, Bene, but you must remember the sublime version of BSN at Joni Fest by Robin and Dave? When someone really GETS a song when they sing it, it can still have the power, and even new power, of a first hearing. Even if you've heard it 590 times and more! I heard every word anew when Robin sang it at Fest. I always really hated the first version I heard of BSN which was the jingly jangly oh so pretty version sung by Judy Collins. The song meant nothing to me as a consequence, till I heard Joni do it on Clouds. Then I began to really get the song. My Mum wants Joni's version of BSN at her funeral. How cool is my Mum! Anita BTW, what's wrong with the wonderful Abba? _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 750 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:29:25 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Live At Carnegie Hall T H A N K Y O U Mark-Leon and Mark in Florida ! ! ! On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Mark Angelo wrote: > > Here are the two links in "clickable" form for any others that may be > having > difficulties. > Best > -- > -Mark in Florida > > https://rcpt.yousendit.com/604813888/53ac354d0e3306d3e8e9bca8e3123524 > > https://rcpt.yousendit.com/604838542/e33b224dd59ab6cf8a520b39c8e0103c > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne >wrote: > > > Hi folks. > > > > I hope you all enjoyed Joni Live At The Sydney Opera House. Here is > another > > gem. This was requested by Barry in Jerusalem. This is Joni Live At > Carnegie > > Hall from 1972. It's really a fabulous concert. Joni was on a real high > (not > > literally). She is in such a great mood and talks to the audience a lot. > The > > audience, in return, is very well behaved and respectful. Like they > really > > wanted to be there. > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:55:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon Howdy all, Thanks to Catherine, Sharon Veer (of "Song For Sharon" fame)'s daughter Lisa has contacted us and is intrigued that we Joniphiles are an inquisitive bunch when it come to details about our Joni. Lisa gave me this update on Sharon: "She's actually retired from teaching for a few years now, but she's continued to sing through the years. She'd still like to make another recording, but I don't think it will be in the near future. I have to say that she was quite astonished to discover that people wanted to know who she was. I spoke with her this evening about it and forwarded your emails. I hope that was ok. She was quite tickled. My parents still live on the farm and one of my sisters lives in the province, as well. My other sister lives in British Columbia, and my brother has a house in Alberta, but mostly lives in China. The last time I saw Joni was last year at her mother's funeral in Saskatoon. Both my mum and I went. Mert was a great lady; 95 when she died. Her husband, Bill, is still well at 96. They're like grandparents to me. He and my grandfather share a birthday, interestingly enough. I don't know what you might want to know, but I can try to answer your questions if you like." So I thought it might be fun to conduct sort of an online interview with Sharon Bell Veer and thought I'd ask for y'all to suggest some questions. Let me know what you think and I'll compile them and get some responses. Should be pretty cool! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:18:54 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar - Now NJC Interesting discussion. I don't have an iPod (and have no need or desire for one), so I had no idea of all the features, old or new. (Yes, I get why many people love them--just not my thang.) I too wonder about the privacy aspect, but that's not the primary reason the technology holds no interest (as yet) for me. I think part of it is that I just find it all too overwhelming--too many choices, too much organizing. But I think it's also because I'm just old-school; for the same reasons I never use the shuffle/random play on my cd player: I mostly prefer to listen to music like we used to listen to albums--of a piece, sequenced as the artist(s) intended. (Obviously, this doesn't necessarily apply to all artists or albums--I used to put mix tapes together picking my favorite cuts from albums of various artists, usually following a theme of sorts, like "road trip," or "makin' whoopee" or somesuch. :-P ). But now I'm not as interested in doing that, in part because my listening habits have, for better or worse, changed a lot. I find myself wanting to go back to what Jackson Browne described in the late 70s/early 80s in a Rolling Stone--or was it Musician magazine?--interview, when he talked about wanting to make *records, *emulating the musicians who inspired him. (Wish I could remember who he cited as influences . . . I'll have to search that out.) He talked about an album having a flow to it--not necessarily a theme connecting all the songs, but an overall mood and cohesiveness. I think this is a hallmark of many great artists (to state the obvious). Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else feels like this about the ways people find, buy, and "consume" music? ---As for other current technology applications in day-to-day activities, my feelings range from bemusement (GPA [?] devices in cars for instance: What if the system goes blooey? Learn to read a map fer chrissakes!) to grave concern: govt. surveillance cameras virtually everywhere in public places; god-knows-who-all reading emails, to name just a couple of the ones we know about. Caroline Kennedy has co-written at least one book--I think more--about our almost complete loss of privacy. (And this is quite a few years back.) I've read that most European countries (UK? Canada?) have much stricter privacy laws across the board than the U.S. (Why does this not surprise me?) If anyone here cares to weigh in, I'd be very interested. Terra NP: "Galveston" from *Ten Easy Pieces*, by Jimmy Webb Thinking of those in the path of the storm . . . and those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan . . . On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > I understand your point, Mark. I was reluctant at first too and > didn't realise how it worked until I had already turned Genius on. > Then I noticed that it was also going through my movie files too. > It's kind of handy though. If it's turned on, when you play a song, > it will tell you which other songs by that artist you don't have in > your library and it will also recommend similar artists and songs. > > Mark. > > On 12/09/2008, at 8:25 AM, Mark Angelo wrote: > > > Hi Mark, . . . I feel the old iTunes > > already has enough information about you, enabling them to make > > suggestions when you click to play any song. It's as though with > > every new application and techno-gadget we lose a bit more of our > > privacy. > > > > So I don't know, maybe it's paranoia maybe it's sensitivity, but I > > don't like where all of these "new improved" applications, > > including the new Firefox 3, for obvious crass commercial reasons > > but also not-so-subtly eroding your privacy by "connecting" you, > > seem to be heading. > > > > -- > > -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:26:03 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon Wow, cool! I have to admit I missed the genesis of this--was it on the list, or at the website? And Sharon made a record? If you could direct me to more info on this, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Terra On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > Howdy all, > > Thanks to Catherine, Sharon Veer (of "Song For Sharon" fame)'s daughter > Lisa has contacted us and is intrigued that we Joniphiles are an inquisitive > bunch when it come to details about our Joni. > > Lisa gave me this update on Sharon: > > "She's actually retired from > teaching for a few years now, but she's continued to sing through the > years. > She'd still like to make another recording, but I don't think it will be in > the near future. I have to say that she was quite astonished to discover > that people wanted to know who she was. I spoke with her this evening about > it and forwarded your emails. I hope that was ok. She was quite tickled. > > My parents still live on > the farm and one of my sisters lives in the province, as well. My other > sister lives in British Columbia, and my brother has a house in Alberta, > but > mostly lives in China. > > The last time I saw Joni was last year at her mother's funeral in > Saskatoon. > Both my mum and I went. Mert was a great lady; 95 when she died. Her > husband, Bill, is still well at 96. They're like grandparents to me. He and > my grandfather share a birthday, interestingly enough. > > I don't know what you might want to know, but I can try to answer your > questions if you like." > > So I thought it might be fun to conduct sort of an online interview with > Sharon Bell Veer and thought I'd ask for y'all to suggest some questions. > Let me know what you think and I'll compile them and get some responses. > Should be pretty cool! > > Bob > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: weird, njc People do all kinds of weird things in front of our house. There's a guy changing all of his clothes right in front of me right now. Off with the blue jeans... on with the kakis. Guess he's getting ready for work. He's not bad looking. I don't like the color of his car though... dark blue with a tad of green. Now he's putting on his belt. I guess the show is soon to be over. OMG... he's got an army shirt he's putting on now! He's a GI. No wonder his hair is so short. God bless him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:08:47 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Bad Songs Thanks to the person who posted the link to The Sandpiper's version of 'Louie, Louie'...now that's BAD! Any discussion of the best of the worst has to include a nod BJ Snowden's 'In Canada'....This tune was written and sung by BJ, who also played all the instruments. This artist was brought to our attention by our own Roberto Holliston of Victoria, BC, who always gets a patriotic charge when the strains of 'In Canada' fill the air. You can hear a sample at www.BJSnowdenmusic.com, but like me, after getting a taste, you may have to acquire the whole song from Itunes. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon Lisa picked up Muller's and my names from one of the archives (how weird is that, given the discussion about that within the last week or two.) She said that (like many of us) she had been doing a search on her name, then decided to do a search on her mother's name and came across one of the archives (she thought it was a blog of some kind) and found Muller's and my e-mail addresses, so she e-mailed the two of us. In fact, she had an older e-mail address of Muller's, so I forwarded the e-mail to his current one. I don't even remember any discussion about Sharon having made a record, but Muller has a copy. - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, T Peckham wrote: > Wow, cool! I have to admit I missed the genesis of this--was > it on the list, > or at the website? And Sharon made a record? If you could > direct me to more > info on this, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Terra > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Bob Muller > wrote: > > > Howdy all, > > > > Thanks to Catherine, Sharon Veer (of "Song For > Sharon" fame)'s daughter > > Lisa has contacted us and is intrigued that we > Joniphiles are an inquisitive > > bunch when it come to details about our Joni. > > > > Lisa gave me this update on Sharon: > > > > "She's actually retired from > > teaching for a few years now, but she's continued > to sing through the > > years. > > She'd still like to make another recording, but I > don't think it will be in > > the near future. I have to say that she was quite > astonished to discover > > that people wanted to know who she was. I spoke with > her this evening about > > it and forwarded your emails. I hope that was ok. She > was quite tickled. > > > > My parents still live on > > the farm and one of my sisters lives in the province, > as well. My other > > sister lives in British Columbia, and my brother has a > house in Alberta, > > but > > mostly lives in China. > > > > The last time I saw Joni was last year at her > mother's funeral in > > Saskatoon. > > Both my mum and I went. Mert was a great lady; 95 when > she died. Her > > husband, Bill, is still well at 96. They're like > grandparents to me. He and > > my grandfather share a birthday, interestingly enough. > > > > I don't know what you might want to know, but I > can try to answer your > > questions if you like." > > > > So I thought it might be fun to conduct sort of an > online interview with > > Sharon Bell Veer and thought I'd ask for y'all > to suggest some questions. > > Let me know what you think and I'll compile them > and get some responses. > > Should be pretty cool! > > > > Bob > > > > > > -- > Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: > You can kiss my > sweet ass. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Palin comedy video, njc A guy with an eye wrote: I just saw this on tv and thought it was hilarious. Gina Gershon does a funny impersonation of Palin. I'm sure many of you have already seen it. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff Hi Jimbo, This is great!!! What a body!!! ROFL!! Now my bisexual morning is complete with the guy in front of our house and this video. Love, Laura PS. Don't step in it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: weird, njc Good song, Bus Stop! The army base is a mile down the road. He had a lot of detail stuff he did after he was dressed... getting his uniform presentable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxMUiZzWy78 - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Catherine McKay wrote: > Ha ha ha. That is weird! Is there a bus stop near your home > and he was waiting to go back to the base? I hope he's > not one of those weirdos who dresses up in army gear and > kills a bunch of people. > > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Laura Stanley > wrote: > > > From: Laura Stanley > > Subject: weird, njc > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Received: Friday, September 12, 2008, 7:58 AM > > People do all kinds of weird things in front of our > house. > > There's a guy changing all of his clothes right in > front > > of me right now. Off with the blue jeans... on with > the > > kakis. Guess he's getting ready for work. > He's not > > bad looking. I don't like the color of his car > > though... dark blue with a tad of green. Now he's > > putting on his belt. I guess the show is soon to be > over. > > OMG... he's got an army shirt he's putting on > now! > > He's a GI. No wonder his hair is so short. God > bless > > him. > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real > people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at > http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:25:18 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Song For Sharon - Questions For Sharon On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > Lisa picked up Muller's and my names from one of the archives (how weird is > that, given the discussion about that within the last week or two.) She said > that (like many of us) she had been doing a search on her name, then decided > to do a search on her mother's name and came across one of the archives (she > thought it was a blog of some kind) and found Muller's and my e-mail > addresses, so she e-mailed the two of us. In fact, she had an older e-mail > address of Muller's, so I forwarded the e-mail to his current one. Thanks for the explanation. (*This* use of technology I love!) > > I don't even remember any discussion about Sharon having made a record, but > Muller has a copy. Well, of course he does! Scary . . . :-D > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, T Peckham wrote: > > > Wow, cool! I have to admit I missed the genesis of this--was > > it on the list, > > or at the website? And Sharon made a record? If you could > > direct me to more > > info on this, I'd be grateful. Thanks, Terra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: weird, njc Laura wrote: "I don't like the color of his car though... dark blue with a tad of green." Blue AND a little green and you let him get away? What's up, Laura? Midway down the midway and slowing down? XO, - --Bob - ----- Original Message ---- From: Laura Stanley To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 7:58:50 AM Subject: weird, njc People do all kinds of weird things in front of our house. There's a guy changing all of his clothes right in front of me right now. Off with the blue jeans... on with the kakis. Guess he's getting ready for work. He's not bad looking. I don't like the color of his car though... dark blue with a tad of green. Now he's putting on his belt. I guess the show is soon to be over. OMG... he's got an army shirt he's putting on now! He's a GI. No wonder his hair is so short. God bless him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:15:23 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, You cannot be trusted, McCain and Palin POLITICAL CONTENT You cannot be trusted Do you even know you're lying It's dangerous to kid yourself You go deaf and dumb and blind. You take with such entitlement. You give bad attitude. You have no grace No empathy No gratitude You have no sense of consequence Oh my head is in my hands... Bad dreams are good In the great plan. After eight years of bad dreams, ENOUGH! We can't take four more! Just when you're thinking you've finally got it made (there is light at the end of the tunnel), McCain and Palin come knocking at your garden gate. ".....the Obama campaign is wrong to suggest that a McCain-Palin administration would just be a continuation of Bush-Cheney. If the way John McCain and Sarah Palin are campaigning is any indication, it would be much, much worse." From: http://www.truthout.org/article/blizzard-lies Let all your little lights shine, and spread them out like blazes, all across the sky! Peace, Patti P. P.S. Obama is going to be on SNL's season opener tomorrow. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:41:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Defenders of Wildlife NJC As a supporter of this group, I detest Palin's barbaric record, Kate http://www.defendersactionfund.org/ "As governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has championed aerial gunning of wolves and bears. As governor, she has proposed paying a $150 bounty for the left foreleg of each dead wolf, approved a $400,000 state-funded propaganda campaign to promote aerial hunting, introduced legislation to make it even easier to use aircraft to hunt wolves and bears." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:28:29 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, CHALK4PEACE and Harvest Moon weekend Happy Friday, Joniamigos! There are some interesting things happening all across the universe this weekend. 1. This Sunday children will be making chalkmarks for peace. I hope there are no rainstorms to make their taffeta patterns run down the drain in colored arrangements! "CHALK4PEACE is not encouraged as an anti-war demonstration; rather, it is a creative presentation for young artists of all ages utilizing the theme of Peace. This year, we expect CHALK4PEACE to grow even larger than last year, as it is now happening on four continents and most of the sites from last year have enlisted others to join in and/or create their own sites." http://www.chalk4peace.org/about.html A safe place, for kids to play and to learn about peace. When I heard Ela Gandhi speak last year, she advocated education as a way to combat violence, starting at a very early age. Teach the children well, indeed, and let's hope their fathers' and mothers' hell will slowly go by. Kate in CA, there's one in Santa Barbara! 2. It's also Harvest Moon weekend. http://www.earthsky.org/radioshows/52631/harvest-moon-shines-night-of-september-14-15 Is this when your Neil Tribute is, Kate? You were learning the song. Can we hear you sing it somewhere? I just listened to a couple of Neil you-tubes and it's so beautiful. 3. As pour moi, I am attending my first "most civil reunion" (that's what the invitation said). This couple has kept themselves tied and true for 28 years, and now they are finally getting the piece of paper from the city hall, with lots of guests to help them celebrate. The reception will be held in a museum. (No, not a tree museum...LOL!) Bon weekend, and shine on harvest moon! Peace, Patti P. "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." - -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: weird, njc Hi Smurph, He would have been like sand held too tightly in the long run. I'm sad and I'm sorry, but I'm not ashamed. Love, Laura (playing on the guitar strings) - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Smurf wrote: > From: Smurf > > Laura wrote: > > "I don't like the color of his car though... dark > blue with a tad of green." > > Blue AND a little green and you let him get away? > What's up, Laura? Midway down the midway and slowing > down? > > XO, > > --Bob > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Laura Stanley > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 7:58:50 AM > Subject: weird, njc > > People do all kinds of weird things in front of our > house. There's a guy changing all of his clothes right > in front of me right now. Off with the blue jeans... on > with the kakis. Guess he's getting ready for work. > He's not bad looking. I don't like the color of > his car though... dark blue with a tad of green. Now > he's putting on his belt. I guess the show is soon to > be over. OMG... he's got an army shirt he's > putting on now! He's a GI. No wonder his hair is so > short. God bless him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:08:13 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RE: Defenders of Wildlife NJC The people of Alaska have voted twice to ban aerial hunting, and it's on the ballot again this fall. Why is it on the ballot again after it's been voted to be banned twice? Because the State Legislature (and wouldn't that legislature be led by the state governor?) has *refused to accept the ban.* And even more frightening, Palin, this time, has proposed legislature so that the issue can't come up for vote again. So if we don't people don't agree with her agenda, she'll just make sure they don't get a voice anymore? Sorry I can't provide links - I'm at work and blocked from most of the web. Google "Palin aerial hunting Alaska ban" and you'll find bunches of links that prove the above. As much as I support animal rights and hate like hell that people can shoot wildlife from aircraft and have that seen as a fair hunt, I hate even more that this woman, at least in this case, seems to stop at nothing to get her way. cindy > From: kate@katebennett.com> To: joni@smoe.org> Subject: Defenders of Wildlife NJC> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:41:49 -0700> > As a supporter of this group, I detest Palin's barbaric record, Kate > > http://www.defendersactionfund.org/> > "As governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has championed aerial gunning of wolves> and bears. As governor, she has proposed paying a $150 bounty for the left> foreleg of each dead wolf, approved a $400,000 state-funded propaganda> campaign to promote aerial hunting, introduced legislation to make it even> easier to use aircraft to hunt wolves and bears." _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Subject: NJC Shine for Obama! U.S. Politics - --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Patti Parlette wrote in her njc, You cannot be trusted, McCain and Palin, which I'd relabel "You cannot be trusted, McBush and Pentecostal Palin": > Let all your little lights shine, and spread them out like > blazes, all across the sky! The most effective way now to let your little lights shine enough to create a big blaze is to volunteer for the Obama campaign, if you haven't already. There's no time to waste. And there are many ways to volunteer -- some time consuming, some not so much -- all are helpful. Find the nearest office or sign up to volunteer at http://www.barackobama.com. Debra Shea, in Virginia and working non-stop to help turn this stubborn state blue! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:56:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: Re: NJC the worst song ever Thanks for telling me about this Chicago show, Vince.B I saw the clip and was very impressed, wish I could see the show!B The interview with Arnold Johnson is also very good, the guy obviously knows what he's talking about.B Strange coincidence, I just saw a Jacques Brel show last weekend here in Greenwich (London), and a few days earlier there was a half-hour programme on BBC radio 4 too, called Brel and Me, presented by Tony Blair's ex spin doctor Alistair Campbell. B Nice to see that the appeal endures.B By the way, in the radio programme they mentioned this lyric from Ne Me Quitte Pas which goes: "Laisse-moi devenir l'ombre de ton ombre, l'ombre de ta main, l'ombre de ton chien" which has always struck me as so raw and true, when one is pleading a beloved one not to go, literally translated as "let me become the shadow of your shadow, the shadow of your hand, the shadow of your dog".B In French it really works, but I don't think it travels well! Catherine, I also listened to your example and - oh my, what can I say!B It's like two completely different songs, one typically French, intense and heartfelt, and one a piece of indifferent pop fluff.B I bet there must be quite a few people who know both songs and don't even realise the connection! Happy weekend, Lieve. - ----- Original Message ---- From: Vince To: Lieve Reckers Cc: "joni@smoe.org" Sent: Friday, 12 September, 2008 0:08:09 Subject: Re: NJC the worst song ever What a happy day when I see Lieve's name in my inbox! I had forgotten Seasons of the Son was also by Brel - please understand I passionately love Jacques Brel - in his arrangements - he has been massively mistreated by American renderings of his exquisite songs Now, some happy news: Jacques Brel's music is being re-presented in all new translations!B A friend of mine is musical director on this - Joshua Stephen Kartes - a name to remember - here is a link http://www.theatreinchicago.com/playdetail.php?playID=2480 and I am glad to have looked at that as I see it has been extended - again - I personally rejoice that I live in a time when Jacques Brel's music is being revived properly without all the schmaltz that Terry Jack and Rod McKuen did, make those songs unlistenable, but to do them as God and Jacques Brel intended them to be heard - for those who are interested please do more google searches on this - it is so excellent that finally - for the first time ever - America is hearing Jacques Brel as it should be heard! Vince On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: ( Hi Vince! I wonder whether you realise that in fact 2 of the 4 songs you listed were written by my fellow Belgian singer-songwriter Jacques Brel?B B Yes, not only If You Go Away (Ne Me Quitte Pas, as also sung by Nina Simone and others) but also Seasons in the Sun. That is actually the song Le Moribond, and again, in the original, much more raw and authentic and... well, I would suggest, not bad at all.B B I just think it is a question of one style, one culture, not translating or coming across properly into another language or culture.B B These are not pop songs, they are small pieces of literature, poems, cries from the heart written by a very complex, tortured soul living a double life (between Brussels and Paris,B one an uptight family man,B the other a pennyless artist in a rented loft). Anyway, if anyone wants to know more about Brel, I'll write more another time. I just wanted to make the point that I think that you may have reacted more to the lyrics which just don't seem to fit, than to the music.B B Your good right, of course, and you do make the point yourselfB about only disliking that particular version of "If you go away".B B I just thought that 50% Brel on your Worst list merited some comment! For what it's worth, here are a few of my own dislikes, just picked at randon because I think the list is endless, ofB crap music: Rasputin by Boney M One Day at the Time by Lena Martell (sp?) Are You Ready for Love by Elton John That last song played on my car radio one day when I was driving with my son, and by the end we were both howling hysterically at the number of times that silly line (Are You Ready)is repeated without any saving grace of a melody. Anyway, it's all subjective, of course.B B Just like my dislike for "Sleepless in Seattle" - with a wink to my fellow UKJonifesters who've already heard me rant about that one! Lieve in London. - ------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:33:03 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: (NJC) Worst Song Ever worst song ever, worse than Indiana Wants Me (which I kind of like, if only because once in 1970 I got off one of my best quips ever based on the song but you so had to be there so I'll skip the explanation) Seasons in the Sun - Terry Jacks The Night Chicago Died - Paper Lace If You Go Away - Rod McKuen (the version sucks, not Jacques Brel's song) Chevy Van - Sammy Johns ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:03:22 -0400 From: Vince Subject: NJC Jacques Brel This thread needed a new title - I saw Jacques Brel Is Alive and Well in maybe 1970 - and I went very intentionally to Mr Kelly's in Chicago to see it at an age, and looking 6 years younger as I did then, too young to get into the place but I got in and had a marvelous evening. The music director of the Chicago show http://www.theatreinchicago.com/playdetail.php?playID=2480 is Joshua Stephen Kartes and I mention him a second time because he is someone who will go far. If this show goes to Broadway as has been discussed, the world might begin to hear of him. He is maybe 25, a member of the congregation I served here, but that is not why I rave about him - the guy has astounding talent, as a musician, as an arranger. Those on facebook can track him down through my friends. He won a Jeff Award this last June for his work on Cabaret. His arrangements of Brel are exquisite and with the superb - and Brel family approved - new translations of Brel's lyric, for American audiences Brel has been rescued from the treacle. Lieve, with the Brel encounters you mentioned (and thanks for the translation insights!) and the Chicago show, we may be moving into a Brel rediscovered era which I would welcome so much. Vince On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Lieve Reckers wrote: > Thanks for telling me about this Chicago show, Vince. I saw the clip and > was very impressed, wish I could see the show! The interview with Arnold > Johnson is also very good, the guy obviously knows what he's talking about. > Strange coincidence, I just saw a Jacques Brel show last weekend here in > Greenwich (London), and a few days earlier there was a half-hour programme > on BBC radio 4 too, called Brel and Me, presented by Tony Blair's ex spin > doctor Alistair Campbell. Nice to see that the appeal endures. > > By the way, in the radio programme they mentioned this lyric from Ne Me > Quitte Pas which goes: "Laisse-moi devenir l'ombre de ton ombre, l'ombre de > ta main, l'ombre de ton chien" which has always struck me as so raw and > true, when one is pleading a beloved one not to go, literally translated as > "let me become the shadow of your shadow, the shadow of your hand, the > shadow of your dog". In French it really works, but I don't think it > travels well! > > Catherine, I also listened to your example and - oh my, what can I say! > It's like two completely different songs, one typically French, intense and > heartfelt, and one a piece of indifferent pop fluff. I bet there must be > quite a few people who know both songs and don't even realise the > connection! > > Happy weekend, > Lieve. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:39:32 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Defenders of Wildlife NJC I'm glad somebody else brought this up (again). I wrote on Sept. 6th: And yes, all good Palin jokes aside, she's a megalomaniac and the Dems, if not the nearly useless mainstream media, need to take her down. Terra On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: > As a supporter of this group, I detest Palin's barbaric record, Kate > > http://www.defendersactionfund.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:37:52 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: NJC Shine for Obama! U.S. Politics Thanks, Debra. I have done some small and medium things but now I know it's time to roll up my sleeves and start pitchin' in, big time. (NPIMH: Hana!) I have some PTSD after working so hard for Lamont two years ago, but I know I have to force my heart and nerve and sinew to serve the greater good and do it again. And here's a small thing everyone can do: make sure you and your friends and kin are registered to vote! It gets easier and easier to do thanks the "the internets": https://www.voteforchange.com/index_obama.php?source=091008emailR# McBush, McS(h)ame. And Sarah Palin? One more thing to get your anima rising. In December, the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner quoted Palin as saying: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity." (Hello, Marianne? She's dissin' your guy! You won't be told a lie about your guy, will you? xoxo) Oh, and her lack of foreign policy experience? Not to worry! She is being tutored by none other than my nemesis, Joe Lieberman! Anima rising, Patti P. > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Patti Parlette wrote > in her njc, You cannot be trusted, McCain and Palin, > which I'd relabel "You cannot be trusted, McBush and Pentecostal Palin": > >> Let all your little lights shine, and spread them out like >> blazes, all across the sky! > > The most effective way now to let your little lights shine enough to create a big blaze is to volunteer for the Obama campaign, if you haven't already. There's no time to waste. And there are many ways to volunteer -- some time consuming, some not so much -- all are helpful. > > Find the nearest office or sign up to volunteer at http://www.barackobama.com. > > Debra Shea, > in Virginia and working non-stop to help turn this stubborn state blue! > _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:49:47 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Shelter from the storm I heard from my niece in Houston, and they are battening down the hatches. I am remembering going to her wedding a few dim years ago, and my marvelous meet-up with the inimitable, irrepressible Donna B. (a.k.a Texas Tush), when she picked me up in the lounge of the Empire (okay, Days Inn) Hotel and brought me to a breakfast Barangrill. And later, when we met up with my brother in a paved paradise, how she called him "a hottie". LOL! DB, I hope you stay safe, along with all our other Texans. Mack, J. Kendall, Jeannie (hope I didn't miss anyone! Forgive me if I did...), I think you are far from the eye, but this storm is huge, so I wish you all -- and anyone else in its path -- safety and shelter from the storm. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:55:46 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, shelter from the storm P.S. Oh, I forgot that Happy the Man is from TX, too! Now he's a Ramblin' Man, too: "Craig is driving up Hwy 281 just north of McAllen", 3 hours ago on Facebook. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:51:17 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: (NJC) Worst Song Ever > From: "Dave Folks" > Subject: (NJC) Worst Song Ever > > Ok, you win. Chevy Van IS the worst song ever!!! > > When you don't know where you're going you've got to stick together, just in > case someone gets there! The worst snowstorm I've ever been in was on Christmas Day 1996 driving west on I-90 about a half-hour away from Buffalo. It came on quick, too. Not exactly out of the blue, but definitely unexpected. And I was paying close attention to the radio, too, just in case. It was all, "blah blah expected light flurries blah blah blah prehaps some light flurries blah blah etc" until all of a sudden I'm in a whiteout. At which point the radio people were like, "OMG! Get off the roads, NOW!" That Lake Effect is a pisser, ain't it? Well, like I said, I'm on an interstate and by the time I realized how serious the storm was, I already couldn't even see the edge of the road. So, I didn't know where it was safe to pull over, or IF it was safe to pull over. I was going about 20mph and I could just barely make out the tail lights of the car right in front of me. I just kept following him and I thought, "I'm sticking with you, pal. I sure hope you know where you're going." ... then he pulled into a parking space. ?????!!!!! Okay, I guess we made it to a rest stop. Lucky me. Later on, I heard on the local radio stations about scads of accidents, even some fatalities. And, yes, Chevy Van is bloody awful. But, I think Undercover Angel is right up there, too. Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:05:51 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC the worst song ever - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lieve Reckers" To: "Vince" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: NJC the worst song ever > By the way, in the radio > programme they mentioned this lyric from Ne Me Quitte Pas which > goes: > "Laisse-moi devenir l'ombre de ton ombre, l'ombre de ta main, > l'ombre de ton > chien" which has always struck me as so raw and true, when one is > pleading a > beloved one not to go, literally translated as "let me become the > shadow of > your shadow, Dusty Springfield speaks words similar to this last line at the end of her version: 'Oh I'd have been the shadow of your shadow if it would have kept you by my side' or words to that effect. She also sings some of the French lyrics and works some of her Dusty magic on the song. For some reason I did not know this was a Brel song. Maybe because most versions are so blah and Brel's music is anything but blah. When I was in college, a very ambitious student staged what I suspect was an abbreviated version of 'Jacques Brel Is Alive and Well and Living in Paris' for her directing class final. I was a freshman and was completely enchanted with it. The songs ranged from the dramatic to the comic to the tragic to the manic and everything in between. I can still remember roaring at the chorus of 'Jackie': If I could be for only an hour If I could be for an hour every day If I could be for just one little hour Cute, cute, cute in a stupid-ass way I don't know how those English lyrics compare with the French, but the guy who sang this and 'Amsterdam' and several other of the songs sung by Mort Schuman in the original Broadway cast had a great baritone voice and a stage presence that was perfect for the material. Besides 'Jackie' I particularly remember his rendition of 'Amsterdam' - very masculine and evocative. 'Timid Frieda', 'My Death', 'Desperate Ones', 'Carousel' and ending up with 'If We Only Have Love' - it was an emotional roller coaster that thrilled me at that young age. Judy Collins has done some respectable covers of Brel - 'Marieke', 'Sons Of'. She seems to bring some kind of special understanding to his songs. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:07:22 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: urgent question from Jody Johnson I just got a text message from our Jody girl: "Im at tom rush what should i ask him abu joni" (sic) 9:50 p.m. EST Anyone? Hurry! Last chance lost! xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:16:38 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Joni in The Genius Sidebar - Now NJC Mark, yes it sounds overall like a "neat" - how that dates me - thing. I'm sure I'll click on "Update" getting tired of clicking "Ignore" one of these days. Interesting how Apple has taken the "Genius" moniker from it's Apple Stores and is using in it's applications. Somehow I don't think it will create the craze that the "i" in front of *everything* did ..."iMac, iTunes, iPod, etc...). As far as the privacy, again I suppose at some point you just realize that the government/corporate complex already has boatloads of information regarding everyone thanks to the digital age, and you eventually just acquiesce. If the MICC - military-industrial-congressional complex - yes I have been reading too much I suppose on the intertubes - considers you "subversive" somehow...for instance even the word "biosphere" is slightly subversive as it speaks to a concern greater than and beyond nationalism (tks Dorion Sagan), as are most certainly artists that have any real substance to their work (and the admirers thereof subscribing to mailing lists like this). So in short, I'm not exactly worried at this point what lists I am on to a large degree, with all sorts of proponents of free speech (Naomi Wolf, etc...) already on the ever-growing 'No-Fly List" as well as others. The visualizer sounds pretty cool. I already downloaded Firefox 3, I don't see as of yet much difference, however, the "platinum" style native interface was a real shocker!! So much so, I've had to download a skin that looks more like the old one as I just can't quite get used to the new interface - even if it now resembles the interfaces of other Apple applications. I'll come around eventually I'm sure. BTW I'm just getting around to playing the Joni performances at the Sydney Opera House - thanks they are fantastic!! Also I had no idea you did the graphic designs for the covers of the DVD's until yesterday, they are truly wonderful!! "And here I sit the critic"...I've only viewed four images so far via Preview, I like them all, only...well...the one photo of Joni where she is kind of frowning and looking quite the sophisticate with the "cigarillito" in hand, well, I think that maybe one of the worst photos of her ever...I mean this is a woman who cannot help but look beautiful in every single photograph, but this one ... is different...maybe that's why you picked it...perhaps it will grow on me as does all of her music. Sometimes - in addition to the music of course - I think FTR is some people's favorite as that picture of her in shades of green in the seclusion of the woods in Canada, is IMHO one of her very best photos for some reason. She simply radiates beauty in that peaceful, natural surrounding, as if that is where she finds G-d, which I believe is pretty close to the mark - open for criticism here - but her references through the years, and especially lately with "spirit of the water" which is what life is - animated water essentially - also being nature or by extension reality - I think that may come close to Joni's G-d. It is my definition now - oh and I know I'm opening myself up to all kinds of private emails with quotes from Mohamed and the Koran, etc... - but who cares?? To each his (or her) (or it's) own. The other image that stands out of course is that from Hejira - which I suppose the one you've used comes close to approximating in a way - with the cigarette and a kind of sophisticated look as well...but the way the cigarette bends her lips downwards to the left...ok I guess I'm getting obsessed with details...I guess I want to say a good choice now as it is quite a provocative image of Joni if not her most flattering...and that is what art is about huh?? Terra, I always enjoy reading your posts. I agree with so much of what you have to say. I also don't have nor do I want an iPod...I actually got one free (well it was supposed to be free, Apple was a bit deceptive in it's advertising) with this first version of the 17" iMac "Core Duo"....WHOA what a name!!). Actually the iMac boots so fast (in under 30 seconds) and is so ....um .... awesome??....in the over two years that I've had it I have absolutely no desire for another computer for a change. I even prefer the original white plastic enclosure to the aluminum they're using now (though the 100 percent recyclable thingy is admirable). Anyhow I gave it to my Mom, who walks all over the place with it listening to ABBA of all bands. The thing I don't like about the iPod and many other "must have" devices, is that apparently there is a unique metal in it, I forget what it is, Indium??, and essentially only comes from one place in Africa where it is mined. Also the batteries are not user-replaceable, so one must return the iPod to get an expensive battery replacement, and I believe most are simply tossed in favor of "newer, improved, better" ones. Whatever this metal is, and the exploitation of one or two African nations, is talked about in The Story of Stuff , which blows your mind when it is revealed I believe that 99 percent of what we buy is thrown away in the first 6 months. Also I tend to exhibit the old-fashioned way of doing things as you do, I think that is fairly normal, never using the shuffle/random feature either. I also think that it is a bit bewildering, the technology and the uber abundance of data and choices and micro niche markets. Of course, futurist Alvin Toffler wrote about this in the 70's in his book, Future Shock, and the human psyche can only keep up with so change, the rate of which has been accelerating because of (formerly) cheap fossil fuels. As Energy Wars break out over the planet, with the realization finally taking place by the public that peak conventional oil production peaked in May of 2005 (which corresponds not so coincidentally with the beginning of the bursting of the housing bubble) I think a return to simpler ways will be de rigour. Of course, the USA when backed in a corner, as it is now as the largest debtor nation on Earth, will continue with it's "might is right" mindset and who knows what will be the consequence? This will happen under either McCain or Obama, as neither could reach their present positions of power without being staunch supporters of American Hegemony. Of course, I'd prefer it be Obama, as all of these visuals of gun-totin' Frances McDormand Fargo-accented Beauty Queen wrapped up in an American Flag Sarah Palin and her lack of respect or regard for the dignity of other creatures that share her very same DNA (does she even know what that is??) is beyond appalling to me. Also Frances McDormand of Fargo fame was a respectable, genuine, intelligent, insightful woman. Mrs. Palin is none of those. OK I've just probably earned my way onto sundry lists kept by the government/corporate complex now. I'll probably regret it. But the laws she passed in Canada regarding the incentives of shooting of wildlife by air and otherwise, as well as her pictures with all of her hunting "trophies" seemingly omnipresent on the Internet, make me angry enough to (*drum roll* with expectations of CIA knocking at the door)...well...say that she is not a very nice woman!!! Peace - -- - -Mark in Florida On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:18 AM, T Peckham wrote in part: > Interesting discussion. I don't have an iPod (and have no need or desire > for one), so I had no idea of all the features, old or new. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #208 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------