From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #199 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 8 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 199 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Subject: Re: Sara Palin (NJC) [Jeannie ] Fw: sjc, Everybody get together, try to love one another right now ["Mari] Re: SJC VP candidate Palin ["T Peckham" ] Re: NJC VP candidate Palin [Laura Stanley ] Palin's bitch, njc [Laura Stanley ] NJC Fwd: Dragonfly [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: NJC VP candidate Palin [Vince ] Re: NJC VP candidate Palin ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Michael Paz ] Re: JM Cookbooks - NJC ["Marian Russell" ] Kate's dragonfly and Joni's garden ["Anita Tedder" ] Our Queens' Gayest Songs [Russell Bowden ] You Turn me on =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=92m_a_Radio:_a_Tribute_to_Joni_Mitchell?= ["Jerry Notaro" ] 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums [missblux@googlemail.com] Circle Game, Kate's dragonfly, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Our Queens' Gayest Songs ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends ["Kate Bennett" ] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFlvdSBUdXJuIG1lIG9uICAgSeKAmW0gYSBSYWRpbzogYSBUc mlidXRl?= =?utf-8?B?IHRvIEpvbmkgTWl0Y2hlbGw=?= [] Palin:speech ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Palin:speech njc ["mack watson-bush" ] mike's fest photos NJC? [Patti Parlette ] Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends [Patti Parlette ] Re: Good Friends Acoustic [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Sara Palin (NJC) Alright Jim, I'll honor your wishes, but I can not deny nor silence my gut-feeling intuition about this woman, Palin who could end up being the President of the United States of America if McCain dies or becomes any more senile. I REFUSE to be persuaded one bit by her scripted lines that only the programmed and blindly loyal morons are the only people who could actually believe her bullshit! Did you see the Republican Convention full of clowns? I stand my ground and I apologize for offending you but Palin IS just another Cheney, hell-bent over backwards for the Oil Companies and the financial kickbacks of billions of dollars coming their way caring nothing about none other but their greed and power-lust. Jim, in recalling several of your past postings over a couple of years here on the JMDL, many times you have come off as cold-hearted and somewhat cruel and now you become sensitive.So you are in the minor leagues to rightfully be throwing stones at me for referring to Palin and Cheney as devils. Palin and Cheney are downright criminals who abuse of their political positions with power-lust and that is not the stuff of goodness nor of truth or spiritually "angelic," For them, it's all about lies and more lies and more power and unceasing greed,legally robbing and stealing from an already struggling people of this country with no concern for the environment. At least I didn't call her a half-assed, half-baked,irresponsible mother.To me, her little children need her more than the State of Alaska and the United States of America need her. I feel so sorry for her children. I totally disagree with your opinion that reffering to Palin and Cheney as "Devils" as serious name-calling. Either way, I'm sorry to have offended you by implying that Palin and Cheney are d-evils. Maybe Rosemary's Babies rings better, huh? Or does the term "honest, humane politicians" ring better for you? And if it does, I'll try to please you on my next post and lie out of my ass just like Palin and this present administration does. ;) Peace and Truth, Jeannie - --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > From: Jim L'Hommedieu > Subject: Subject: Re: Sara Palin (NJC) > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 11:58 PM > Here we go. I'm just a guest here but I have a request. > Could we please backoff the name-calling on the JMDL? I > intend to vote for Obama too, but we agreed not to use > name-calling when we write to the list. > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > >This Palin woman is super scary. > Not only is she Satan in a upsweep---she's also Cheney, > the Devil, in disguise, with lipstick! > Horrible! Horrible! Horrible!> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:23:33 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Fw: sjc, Everybody get together, try to love one another right now On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 04:29:45 Patti Parlette wrote: > Marian and Smurf: let's have a sandwich hug! I understand > what you are both expressing. I'd like that very much. I really love you Smurf - please let's have a hug! Smurf, are you there? I wanna hug you! > I wish I could interrupt everyone's sorrow, but I don't have that > power. I'm just chicken-scratchin' for peace, love and understanding. You do a pretty good job, Patti - you bring so much light and lightness into the list and have made me smile so many times. > Sleep in heavenly peace, my friends, all across the universe. > Tomorrow will be a new day, a new way, to carry on. > LOVE, Patti P., a little bit corny, a tired wildwood flower wavin' for ya Keep wavin' Patti - I love you! Marian > "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then > there'd be peace." > -- John Lennon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:40:12 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: SJC VP candidate Palin Last word before I move forward. ;-) On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Terra wrote: > > Some of the reasons I find Sarah Palin cool and refreshing are because of > how she stood up to corruptness in her state. > > --I'm not familiar with that. What are the specifics? > > > Hi Terra, > > I suggest you do what you suggested I do and go to her website to find > out the details if you are really interested. From the overall tone of your > post, I bet you aren't. I don't need to go to her website for details. I learned all I needed to know from watching her convention performance and reading facts about her record as mayor and governor from reputable sources such as others have posted here. I'm also a paying supporter of Defenders of Wildlife and The Wilderness Society, among others, and as such I've already received email action alerts featuring horror stories about what has happened to Alaskan wolves and polar bears on Palin's watch. > > > As for other topics in your post, I'm not interested in debating about > the process nor hearing criticism of political debates and the views of > Republicans vs. Democrats. So thanks, but no thanks. And I'm not interested in hearing VP candidate Palin called "cool and refreshing," as if she's running for head cheerleader. This is a life-changing election for a lot of Americans, not to mention the world. I won't apologize for speaking to that. > > What I do enjoy hearing is what people I love and admire find particularly > good about solutions the different candidates offer. There's enough > criticism of political parties and views of people who support or don't > support particular candidates out there without hearing it here too. Let's > move forward rather than get stuck in the crap. "People I love and admire. . ." If you're referring to the good folks here on the JMDL (who have been here much, much longer than I, obviously), I think the consensus among those who've posted on this subject is clear. I'd like to point out that I didn't start this topic--I've only contributed to it, and only in threads marked NJC. I marked this final comment SJC, because--again, as others here have stated--this is exactly what "Shine" is all about. Gov. Palin could be the poster child representing everything Ms. Mitchell has been warning us about since "Big Yellow Taxi", and I don't think airing that and other FACTS about her on this list or anywhere else is getting "stuck in crap." Personally, I'm stuck in reality, and one of my "good solutions" for rescuing my country from the clutches of the Republican Party is to shout the truth out loud and loudly. I just won't do it here anymore. Cheers, Terra - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 06:13:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: NJC VP candidate Palin OOOOoooo weee wrote: Some of the reasons I find Sarah Palin cool and refreshing are because of how she stood up to corruptness in her state. - --I'm not familiar with that. What are the specifics? Hi Terra, I suggest you do what you suggested I do and go to her website to find out the details if you are really interested. From the overall tone of your post, I bet you aren't. I don't need to go to her website for details. I learned all I needed to know from watching her convention performance and reading facts about her record as mayor and governor from reputable sources such as others have posted here. Hiyagain Terra, So it was a loaded question. I thought so. Thanks for being so much fun. I like you. Love, Laura (seeking truth without wearing shades) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 06:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Palin's bitch, njc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc&NR=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:40:44 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Fwd: Dragonfly JC: there should have been a dragonfly somewhere in the Joni canon....she can't retire now Chuck Begin forwarded message: > From: Chuck Eisenhardt > Date: September 7, 2008 9:24:38 AM EDT > To: kate@katebennett.com > Cc: nejonifest@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Dragonfly > > I am pulling for your Dragonfly! Get well, baby! > > It's scary to think that WAAAY back when, they were the size of > an ultra-light plane and they might have picked you up and carried > you off! (Insects were bigger---more oxygen in the atmosphere). > > They are among the most beautiful of all us creatures. > > A few years ago we were up on an island in the Bay of Fundy and > stopping in a hard-scrabble 'antique' shop one afternoon, there > was a gorgeous butterfly trapped in the glassed-in porch. I thought > there was little chance she (he?) would find a way out. When it came > to light on a window pane and folded it's wings, I saw an opportunity > to intervene, lightly. > > I pinched it by the wings very carefully and ran for the doorway. The > butterfly struggled hugely!!! I couldn't believe that a thing that > tiny and > delicate could be so strong. (Actually there was a gym on the island > and it probably had been working out...) > > Anyway the story ends happily, with a liberated friend meandering away > through gentle Canadian zephyrs. > > I think dragonflies probably have compound eyes, and when you look in > on her she sees a thousand Kates! > > Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:44:20 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: NJC VP candidate Palin On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > > Love, > Laura (seeking truth without wearing shades) Aren't we all seeking truth... Vince Frank Rich's column today http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07rich.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slo gin Palin and McCain's Shotgun Marriage - comments (67) By FRANK RICH Published: September 6, 2008 SARAH PALIN makes John McCain look even older than he is. And he seemed more than willing to play that part on Thursday night. By the time he slogged through his nearly 50-minute acceptance speech longer even than Barack Obama's you half-expected some brazen younger Republican (Mitt Romney, perhaps?) to dash onstage to give him a gold watch and the bum's rush. Skip to next paragraph Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times Frank Rich Go to Columnist Page ; Enlarge This Image Barry Blitt Readers' Comments Share your thoughts on this article. - Post a Comment ; - Read All Comments (67) ; Still, attention must be paid. McCain's address, though largely a repetitive slew of stump-speech lines and worn G.O.P. orthodoxy, reminded us of what we once liked about the guy: his aspirations to bipartisanship, his heroic service in Vietnam, his twinkle. He took his (often inaccurate) swipes at Obama, but, in winning contrast to Palin and Rudy Giuliani, he wasn't smug or nasty. The only problem, of course, is that the entire thing was a sham. As is nakedly evident, the speech's central argument, that the 72-year-old McCain will magically morph into a powerful change agent as president, is a non sequitur. In his 26 years in Washington, most of it with a Republican in the White House and roughly half of it with Republicans in charge of Congress, he was better at lecturing his party about reform than leading a reform movement. G.O.P. corruption and governmental dysfunction only grew. So did his cynical flip-flops on the most destructive policies of the president who remained nameless Thursday night. (In the G.O.P., Bush love is now the second most popular love that dare not speak its name.) Even more fraudulent, if that's possible, is the contrast between McCain's platonic presentation of his personal code of honor and the man he has become. He always puts his country first, he told us: "I've been called a maverick." If there was any doubt that that McCain has fled, confirmation arrived with his last-minute embrace of Sarah Palin. We still don't know a lot about Palin except that she's better at delivering a speech than McCain and that she defends her own pregnant daughter's right to privacy even as she would have the government intrude to police the reproductive choices of all other women. Most of the rest of the biography supplied by her and the McCain camp is fiction. She didn't say"no thanks" to the "Bridge to Nowhere" until after Congress had already abandoned it but given Alaska a blank checkfor $223 million in taxpayers' money anyway. Far from rejecting federal pork, she hired lobbyiststo secure her town a disproportionate share of earmarks($1,000 per resident in 2002, 20 times the per capita averagein other states). Though McCain claimed"she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," she has never issued a single commandas head of the Alaska National Guard. As for her "executive experience" as mayor, she told her hometown paperin Wasilla, Alaska, in 1996, the year of her election: "It's not rocket science. It's $6 million and 53 employees." Her much-advertised crusade against officials abusing their office is now compromised by a bipartisan ethics investigationin to charges that she did the same. How long before we learn she never shot a moose? Given the actuarial odds that could make Palin our 45th president, it would be helpful to know who this mystery woman actually is. Meanwhile, two eternal axioms of our politics remain in place. Americans vote for the top of the ticket, not the bottom. And in judging the top of the ticket, voters look first at the candidates' maiden executive decision, their selection of running mates. Whatever we do and don't know about Palin's character at this point, there is no ambiguity in what her ascent tells us about McCain's character and potential presidency. He wanted to choose the pro-abortion-rights Joe Lieberman as his vice president. If he were still a true maverick, he would have done so. But instead he chose partisanship and politics over country. "God only made one John McCain, and he is his own man," said the shafted Lieberman in his own tedious convention speechlast week. What a pathetic dupe. McCain is now the man of James Dobson and Tony Perkins. The "no surrender" warrior surrendered to the agents of intolerance not just by dumping his pal for Palin but by moving so far to the right on abortion that even Cindy McCain seemed unawareof his radical shift when being interviewed by Katie Couric last week. That ideological sellout, unfortunately, was not the worst leadership trait the last-minute vice presidential pick revealed about McCain. His speed-dating of Palin reaffirmed a more dangerous personality tic that has dogged his entire career. His decision-making process is impetuous and, in its Bush-like preference for gut instinct over facts, potentially reckless. As The New York Times reported last Tuesday, Palin was sloppily vetted, at best. McCain operatives and some of their press surrogatesresponded to this revelation by trying to discredit The Times article. After all, The Washington Post had citedMcCain aides (including his campaign manager, Rick Davis) last weekend to assure us that Palin had a "full vetting process." She had been subjected to "an F.B.I. background check," we were told, and "the McCain camp had reviewed everything it could find on her." The Times had it right. The McCain campaign's claims of a "full vetting process" for Palin were as much a lie as the biographical details they've invented for her. There was no F.B.I. background check. The Times found no evidencethat a McCain representative spoke to anyone in the State Legislature or business community. Nor did anyone talkto the fired state public safety commissioner at the center of the Palin ethics investigation. No McCain researcher even bothered to consultthe relevant back issues of the Wasilla paper. Apparently when McCain said in June that his vice presidential vetting process was basically "a Google," he wasn't joking. This is a roll of the dice beyond even Bill Clinton's imagination. "Often my haste is a mistake," McCain conceded in his 2002 memoir, "but I live with the consequences without complaint." Well, maybe it's fine if he wants to live with the consequences, but what about his country? Should the unexamined Palin prove unfit to serve at the pinnacle of American power, it will be too late for the rest of us to complain. We've already seen where such visceral decision-making by McCain can lead. In October 2001, he speculatedthat Saddam Hussein might have been behind the anthrax attacks in America. That same month he out-Cheneyed Cheney in his repeated public insistence that Iraq had a role in 9/11  even after both American and foreign intelligence services found that unlikely. He was similarly rash in his reading of the supposed evidence of Saddam's W.M.D. and in his estimate of the number of troops neededto occupy Iraq. (McCain told MSNBC in late 2001 that we could do with fewer than 100,000.) It wasn't until months after "Mission Accomplished" that he called for more American forces to be tossed into the bloodbath. The whole fiasco might have been prevented had he listened to those like Gen. Eric Shinseki who faulted the Rumsfeld war plan from the start. In other words, McCain's hasty vetting of Palin was all too reminiscent of his grave dereliction of due diligence on the war. He has been no less hasty in implying that we might somehow ride to the military rescue of Georgia ("Today, we are all Georgians") or in reaffirming as late as December 2007 that the crumbling anti-democratic regime of Pervez Musharraf deserved "the benefit of the doubt " even as it was enabling the resurgence of the Taliban and Al Qaeda. McCain's blanket endorsement of Bush administration policy in Pakistan could have consequences for years to come. "This election is not about issues" so much as the candidates' images, said the McCain campaign manager, Davis, in one of the season's most notable pronouncements. Going into the Republican convention, we thought we knew what he meant: the McCain strategy is about tearing down Obama. But last week made clear that the McCain campaign will be equally ruthless about deflecting attention from its own candidate's deterioration. What was most striking about McCain's acceptance speech is that it had almost nothing in common with the strident right-wing convention that preceded it. We were pointedly given a rerun of McCain 2000  cobbled together from scraps of the old Straight Talk repertory. The ensuing tedium was in all likelihood intentional. It's in the campaign's interest that we nod off and assume McCain is unchanged in 2008. That's why the Palin choice was brilliant politics  not because it rallied the G.O.P.'s shrinking religious-right base. America loves nothing more than a new celebrity face, and the talking heads marched in lock step last week to proclaim her a star. Palin is a high-energy distraction from the top of the ticket, even if the provenance of her stardom is in itself a reflection of exactly what's frightening about the top of the ticket. By hurling charges of sexism and elitism at any easily cowed journalist who raises a question about Palin, McCain operatives are hoping to ensure that whatever happened in Alaska with Sarah Palin stays in Alaska. Given how little vetting McCain himself has received this year  and that only 58 days remain until Nov. 4  they just might pull it off. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC VP candidate Palin Well I went there, Laura. Funny. Nothing there about her first child being born eight months after "eloping." There goes that abstinence doctrine she preaches! What a bunch of hypocrites. Jerry Laura Stanley wrote: > OOOOoooo weee wrote: > > Some of the reasons I find Sarah Palin cool and refreshing are because of > how she stood up to corruptness in her state. > > --I'm not familiar with that. What are the specifics? > > > Hi Terra, > > I suggest you do what you suggested I do and go to her website to find > out the details if you are really interested. From the overall tone of > your post, I bet you aren't. > > I don't need to go to her website for details. I learned all I needed to > know from watching her convention performance and reading facts about her > record as mayor and governor from reputable sources such as others have > posted here. > > > Hiyagain Terra, > > So it was a loaded question. I thought so. Thanks for being so much > fun. I like you. > > Love, > Laura (seeking truth without wearing shades) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:09:37 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks FYI. I got together with the lovely Julie Z Webb in Pittsburgh over coffee and caught up. She lost all of her extra weight and looked like a million bucks. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Hi, Marian. I hope you can stick around. It's been sad to lose bright, funny people like Julie Z. Webb. Everyone I can think of drops out for a while. It comes and goes. It comes and goes. It comes and... goes. Remember when you were on the phone, all the way from Austria, and I was on Ashara's back porch? I was speaking too loudly, as usual, offending everyone else, but I didn't want to break the chain. There's an old rock song that goes, "Hold on loosely, but don't let go." Jim L'Hommedieu > I think I really do need to leave. It's not just this situation, > but kind of a cumulative guilt that I don't really think is psychologically healthy for me to revisit every day.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:35:47 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks - NJC I always thought she looked like million bucks, so she must be lookin' like a [real] movie queen now!!! How great that you got to see her!!! Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Paz To: Jim L'Hommedieu Cc: joni@smoe.org ; marian@jmdl.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks FYI. I got together with the lovely Julie Z Webb in Pittsburgh over coffee and caught up. She lost all of her extra weight and looked like a million bucks. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Hi, Marian. I hope you can stick around. It's been sad to lose bright, funny people like Julie Z. Webb. Everyone I can think of drops out for a while. It comes and goes. It comes and goes. It comes and... goes. Remember when you were on the phone, all the way from Austria, and I was on Ashara's back porch? I was speaking too loudly, as usual, offending everyone else, but I didn't want to break the chain. There's an old rock song that goes, "Hold on loosely, but don't let go." Jim L'Hommedieu I think I really do need to leave. It's not just this situation, but kind of a cumulative guilt that I don't really think is psychologically healthy for me to revisit every day.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:54:43 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Kate's dragonfly and Joni's garden I really loved your care for the injured dragonfly, Kate. Small acts of love like yours help me feel very happy. It reminded me of a piece sent to JMDL some years ago that I had really loved. It led me to a lovely off list exchange with Laura who sent me some beautiful pictures of hummingbirds. I sometimes keep emails from JMDL that have some special meaning for me, so I sought out the one about Joni's garden that I remembered was about dragonflies and hummingbirds. To my surprise, I realised then, it had been written by Michael who managed to meet Joni this week at the ballet and your two were responding to each other's experiences regarding 'Fiddle and the Drum'. Anyway, in 2006, Mike wrote: "In her garden you'll see old camelias, gardenias, jasmine, ferns, fig trees, and many different types of succulents. The blue-grays and sage greens of Saskatchewan gardens are still the colours toward which she gravitates. Jacarandas, crepe myrtles, silk trees and palms shade the residence. Joni likes plants that attract hummingbirds, dragonflies and butterflies. ``Any flying, floating thing is auspicious, a joy bearer a magical messenger,``she says." I have been told that Dragonflies, as medicine totem, are of the dreamtime. They bring us memories of a time or place where magic reigned! Meeting Joni was magical for me and I find it quite magical that I sought this piece out today as a consequence of your email, Kate, and found that it was Mike who had written it two years ago - and Mike met Joni this week. I like that for a piece of timing! Kate, I am so pleased that you have cared for this tiny creature. I don't imagine it will recover, but that your care for it has touched me very deeply, Lots of love Anita PS Whilst I am writing, I want to add how much I have appreciated so many on the list who have struggled with this cookbook business. It's been so painful (especially, it seems for Marian and Smurphy) but staying with it and staying connected when things get tough is a great thing. I feel proud of you guys and so proud to be a member here. Dragon fly carers, champions of under dogs, - what a great mixture! _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 714 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:09:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Palin, njc Palin said that, as governor, she stopped wasteful programs. She got a great cheer from the convention for this but I thought, "She killed someone ELSE's program." Later I found out that, as mayor, the self-described "hockey mom" got a whole bunch of funding for an indoor hockey arena. And it's been losing money since it was built. I guess the lesson is that government funding is okay if it benefits her children, if it complements her family's hobbies. Who said, "Government is one group of people telling a second group of people what they should do for a third group of people?" Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:46:15 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Our Queens' Gayest Songs Gang, Two Grey Rooms and My Old Man Love, Russ Mischief Managed _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:30:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: You Turn me on =?iso-8859-1?Q?I=92m_a_Radio:_a_Tribute_to_Joni_Mitchell?= Hello All, WMNF, our community owned, Joni lovin' radio station is sponsoring this tribute. The last time we had a minifest we all assembled here. Skipper's is a great place for this. Perfect with great food. Here arfe the details. Flee, the D.J., has asked if Joni people want to come up with any ideas to make it even better. Here are the details: You Turn me on Im a Radio: a Tribute to Joni Mitchell WHEN: Saturday, November 1st, 6pm-Midnight (Each bands start time to be determined later) WHAT: 14 area bands/performers do THEIR versions of Joni Mitchell songs WHERE: Skippers Smokehouse 910 Skipper Road (at Nebraska), Tampa Tickets $12 advance/$15 door Doors at 6pm Music 7-Midnight 14 bands/solo performers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:57:46 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Election time, njc Funny and to the point: http://sendables.jibjab.com/view/rZx0Ye9TiVCETlHt Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:33:44 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Hey, I think if you want to know what makes a song 'gay' look at what the article says about some of the songs. Apart from the outspoken queer artists, it's about human emotions that are shared by gay and straight (etc.) people alike - but are perhaps poignant to more gay people because of what they have to go through in terms of accepting themselves and being accepted etc.. This is also what others have suggested when we have had this discussion on previous occasions. Anyway here goes: "When ... Bowie wails "Oh no love! You're not alone!" over a sea of theatrical strings, you know he was singing for every exiled, dejected, sexually confused young kid who longed for a world of greater possibilities." "As the chiming guitars of Johnny Marr suggest both despair and its transcendence, singer Morrissey articulates alienated longings that gain extra poignancy if one understands them as queer." "the singer (Antony) meditates on the lonesome "middle place" between life and nothingness ("Hope There's Someone"); gender mutability ("For Today I Am a Boy"); sadomasochism ("Fistful of Love"); and, on the album's breathtaking climax, "Bird Gerhl," the sublime freedom of flying alone." "it's the spectral "Love Is a Stranger" and "This City Never Sleeps" that evoke the mood of foreboding and loneliness that came to dominate Lennox's solo career." "What I love about this album (Kate Bush) is essentially what I love about being gay. It's eccentric, wildly imaginative, and has a completely naive view of the world in which it exists." "(Soft Cell) Almond misses notes but, more important, nails the tenderness at the heart of the hedonism." Love Bene(!) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Monika, They were picked by GLBT people who felt they had affected them. Basically, music that gays listened to a lot and whose music affected them. I know out of the hundred I own many of them, and at least 15 were among my very favorites, FTR among them. Jerry Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Interesting list but it makes me wonder. What makes an album "gay?" > And if > these are the greatest, "gayest" albums what are the greatest, > "straightest" > albums? I also found this quote a bit funny and strange: > > 99.Joni Mitchell, For the Roses, 1972 > "An album to play alone in your bedroom when the phone doesn"t ring after > your > virginity is gone." -- Tom Kalin, director Savage Grace > > I don't think I'll ever listen to FTR the same again. I wonder why FTR > was > chosen? > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:42:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Circle Game, Kate's dragonfly, njc Sadly she did not make it but she did have a peaceful place to rest in her final hours. What a magical creature, I feel fortunate to have had her company for a short time. Kate >so nice for the dragonfly to come your way let us know how it goes, Kate< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:57:37 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Our Queens' Gayest Songs "The Only Joy In Town" The Botticelli black boy With the fuchias in his hair Is breathing in women like oxygen On the Spanish stairs In my youth I would have followed him All through this terra-cotta town He's the only joy around The only joy I found The only joy in town Just a subjective pick - could easily be her one of her most "heterosexual" songs as well too...definitely a "visual" song and I feel like I am in that Latin town - wherever it may be - whenever I listen to the song. - -- - -Mark in Florida On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Russell Bowden wrote: > Gang, > > Two Grey Rooms and My Old Man > > Love, > Russ > Mischief Managed > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 > F681DAD532637 > !5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 11:57:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends I love this Tlog version of FTR, how beautiful to close the first act with this. Michael, thank you for the report & kudos for having the opportunity to meet Joni in person! She is beautiful, with such gentle hands isn't she? Kate (the other one from CA) >Part 1 closes with FTR, where a triad of couples waltzes through this romantic and lovely interpretation of the T-log version of the song.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:12:56 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Yikes!!! In Sanskrit 'Joni' means 'vagina' Rian PS. As if you don't know, sanskrit is classic indian language, spoken in pre colonial india and indonesia (in several kingdoms by noblemen/hindu priests). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:25:16 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Well-written post. I had thought the concepts of alienation, introspection about "what is wrong with me" due to social stigmatization, and an often unfulfilled desire to be accepted by others were likely reasons FTR was picked, but did not read the article so could not say that was a basis that was also used in some of the other 99 albums picked. "One of the reasons Miss Mitchell is able to produce works of merit so consistently is her willingness to explore and then honestly reveal - rather than soften, filter or glamorize - her emotions and experiences, both the joys and, more importantly, the sorrows. She is able to face her disappointments in love and deal with them in an instructive way in song." "Several of the 12 songs on the For the Roses album (among them "Lesson in Survival," "Woman of Heart and Mind" and "See You Sometime") deal with moments of defeat or insecurity in an open, honest way that few other major writers could duplicate. In "Lesson in Survival," for instance, she tells about the inadequacies a lover brought out in her: "Your friends protect you/ Scrutinize me/ I get so damn timid/ Not at all the spirit/ That's inside of me." Another revealing portion of a review: The life of Joni the woman (is) displayed so poignantly on "See You Sometime", "Electricity", "Blond in The Bleachers", "Woman of Heart And Mind", "Let The Wind Carry Me", and "Lesson in Survival" ..."if you ever get the notion to he needed by me". Insecurities, anxieties, and a need to be wanted, to belong are themes replete throughout the album. The human need for acceptance or what is called affiliation (the need to belong), of which self-acceptance is a part, as Bene says is especially difficult for gay people, as they often have to "earn" this acceptance, time after time, the most important and challenging of which is acceptance by their family, and there is often the subtle and outright discrimination due to the fact that they are not going to be able to produce a child that carries 25 percent of their grandparent's DNA - and the remaining siblings that do are usually doted on and treated in a different manner from my observations. "Philadelphia" is a beautiful movie, but the family that is so accepting of Tom Hank's character, is not the typical family into which a gay child is born. FTR was the culmination of her four previous works, each of them dealing heavily and honestly with interpersonal relationships, with her anxieties and insecurities dominating the songs that addressed these affairs of the heart. FTR was the most reflective of all of them, and as the reviewer states she sings of "both the joys and, more importantly, the sorrows" of these relationships. C&S revealed a Joni who was a bit wiser in matters of love, (notable exceptions being Help Me, Car on a Hill, and Same Situation - however even in each of these songs she hints at some wisdom acquired during the making of the first five albums - for example Help Me speaks to a pattern she has discovered in her quest for love, one which she would further examine on her Hejira in which she gladly became "a defector of the petty wars, that shell-shock love away, Car on a Hill reflects this cognizance of this same pattern with the lyrics "It always seems so righteous at the start, when there's so much laughter, when there's so much spark, when there's so much sweetness in the dark, and even the very angst-laden Same Situation, which again reflects her recognition of this pattern in the eponymous song title, she states "caught in my struggle for higher achievements, and my search for love, they don't seem to cease" - notice for one thing that "higher achievements" is mentioned *as well* as love, and not only that, but it is mentioned *before* her search for love - another indicator of "wising up" ). In the song Down To You she is speaking really as a mentor on matters of love, (likewise in Trouble Child on matters of not conforming to our psychosocial paradigm), and in People's Park, as much as she is drawn to her object of affection, she realizes that her pattern of falling in love now has more of her own needs and conditions that must be met "but I couldn't let go of LA, city of the fallen angels"...indicating she has formed boundaries and limits and can no longer simply be the giver/nurturer that caused her such angst in the past, that future relationships would be taken up either to discover something new about herself and others (no more of the Same Situation pattern), or would be more on equal footing (Larry Klein and Donald Freed for instance). OK this was not supposed to be about C&S but is relevant in showing why FTR was the album most likely chosen as it deals honestly with her insecurities and attendant anxieties of relationships in a manner that is less naive than the first four albums, but with a vulnerability and a sensitivity in a disarmingly honest way perhaps than any other work. And gay folk, who often have great insecurities and/or anxieties in society, often finding themselves feeling alienated, as well as having these insecurities in relationships which often have considerable social pressure put on them. The stigma that pervades our society, less than in many other countries, however, is still palpable, and often finds itself expressed in the high prevalence of refuge sought from this constant psychological stress by the very high rates of alcohol use and substance abuse in the gay culture. - -- - -Mark in Florida NP: Aimee Mann: Phoenix On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 2:33 PM, wrote in part: > Hey, > > I think if you want to know what makes a song 'gay' look at what the > article says about some of the songs. Apart from the outspoken queer > artists, it's about human emotions that are shared by gay and straight > (etc.) people alike - but are perhaps poignant to more gay people > because of what they have to go through in terms of accepting > themselves and being accepted etc.. This is also what others have > suggested when we have had this discussion on previous occasions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFlvdSBUdXJuIG1lIG9uICAgSeKAmW0gYSBSYWRpbzogYSBUc mlidXRl?= =?utf-8?B?IHRvIEpvbmkgTWl0Y2hlbGw=?= B This is a cool venue and promises to be a fun night. I can get some cheap airfare via Allegiant. Who's in? Em, Jimmy? It's minifest time y'all. B Bob B NP: Joni, "BYT" live at the Troubadour 1972 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:02:40 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Palin:speech I must have missed something. I didn't find anything about her speech particularly riveting, inspiring, interesting, captivating, etc. The hockey mom comment was moderately cute if one were a standup comic. Pathetic how low the bar has become for such, speeches, if this was deemed good. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:07:56 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Palin:speech njc Forgot my njc. oops. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:25:12 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: mike's fest photos NJC? MORE photo beauties! Beautiful, in every way... Muchas gracias, Mike in BCN! http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/ukjonifest2008/mike/ xo, pp, trying to wash and balance herself for the work week ahead. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:38:57 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Fiddle and Drum plus 4, and Joni attends Michael from (Laurentide) Mountains! You saw the (blue) eyes of our Joni world? Wowie zowie! And you touched her impossibly gentle hand? ELECTRICITY! Felicitations, Joniami! Et merci beaucoup for the great report. You're my vicarious thrill, you do something to me. You send chills right through me! NPIMH, for Joni (GD TIC....yeah, I get those, too): Sometimes we live no particular way but our own Sometimes we visit your country and live in your home Sometimes we ride on your horses Sometimes we walk alone Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world but the heart has its beaches its homeland and thoughts of its own Wake now, discover that you are the song that the (Chelsea!) morning brings but the heart has its seasons its evenings and songs of its own And most of them come down to you. Good on you, too, Kate. And Mags, dear prairie girl, I'm so sorry that good fortune did not allow you to attend. Sometimes life is not fair. You deserved to have been there. I've been wondering what Joni is doing these days. It's good to know that she is alive, alive. Love, Patti P., who spent part of the day doing the Sunday crossword puzzle, oft breaking into Joni song with the words "reef", "snow", "the" (LOL!), and you know there may be more. P.S. Kate, I come out to wonder: how is the dragonfly? "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:04:31 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: GOod Friends Acoustic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkRSx8P_ahk&feature=related Has anyone heard this?? There's someone on Youtube who has posted some true Joni rarities. This piano version of Good Friends is wonderful, as is the cover of It's All Over Baby Blue, which I'd never heard. The poster, MYoutcastOR, has some great live Joni stuff on there, too. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:04:02 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Good Friends Acoustic Hi Ken, This is from the "Complete Geffen Recordings" box set. Definitely one of my favorites! "It's All Over Now Baby Blue" is also on the Geffen box set. Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit kjhsf@aol.com wrote: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkRSx8P_ahk&feature=related >Has anyone heard this?? There's someone on Youtube who has posted some true Joni rarities. >This piano version of Good Friends is wonderful, as is the cover of It's All Over Baby Blue, which I'd never heard. >The poster, MYoutcastOR, has some great live Joni stuff on there, too. >Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Good Friends Acoustic This is a first time listen for me and I love Joni's voice on this version and it feels like home to me, here in my heart. This is my secret place and favorite place to be and I feel a certain type of mystical synchronicity when I hear Joni play her piano and sing like this. It's sounds so pretty and familiar to me that it brings tears to my eyes and I'm so grateful. I need to get the Geffen box set which I didn't even know existed. Many thanks, Ken and Gary for the link and for this new discovery. Just what I needed. Jeannie - --- On Sun, 9/7/08, Gary Z wrote: > From: Gary Z > Subject: Re: Good Friends Acoustic > To: kjhsf@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 11:04 PM > Hi Ken, > > This is from the "Complete Geffen Recordings" box > set. Definitely one > of my favorites! > "It's All Over Now Baby Blue" is also on the > Geffen box set. > > Best regards, > > Gary Z. > Detroit > > > > kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkRSx8P_ahk&feature=related > >Has anyone heard this?? There's someone on Youtube > who has posted some true Joni rarities. > >This piano version of Good Friends is wonderful, as is > the cover of It's All Over Baby Blue, which I'd > never heard. > >The poster, MYoutcastOR, has some great live Joni stuff > on there, too. > >Ken ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #199 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------