From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #195 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 5 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 195 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Smurf ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Michael Paz ] Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game ["Kate Bennett" ] (NJC) US of A Election ["Dave Folks" ] Re: JM Cookbooks, njc [Laura Stanley ] RE: NJC. Now: religion [mia _ ] Re: Sarah Palin and team, now the earth njc ["Mark Angelo" ] Sarah Palin njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Sarah Palin and team, and now the earth njc [Laura Stanley ] Coffee, coffee, njc [Laura Stanley ] Drive thru, njc [Laura Stanley ] Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] RE: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] RE: NJC. Now: religion [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sarah Palin njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: I like dogs, njc [Jeannie ] Re: Drive thru, njc [Jeannie ] This Just In (NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc [Em ] njc, Michael Moore's "Slacker Uprising", Steve Earle on TV tonight [Patti] sjc, Joni won't like Sarah Palin [Patti Parlette ] Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc [Jeannie Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:53:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game Oh this is so beautiful Bob, thank you! Got me tearful. How about you Ms Patti P? Such lovely voices & harmonies & the oh look on their faces - so soulful.... here's another version - a close-up of their beautiful faces http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxs5kdG2jFA&feature=related Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:58:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Dear Marian, I am sorry that what I wrote has apparently caused you to decide to quit the list. I have a knee-jerk tendancy to speak for the underdog that always seems to backfire on me because I do not handle conflict well. In any case, I thought the eBay lady had addressed the concerns of JMDLers very graciously, and deserved to be treated more considerately. Best wishes, whatever you decide to do. But I don't think it's necessary to leave the list over something you felt strongly about. - --Bob Murphy - ----- Original Message ---- From: Marian Russell To: Smurf ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:43:50 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:04:55 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I also think that the eBay lady had addressed the concerns of the JMDLers very graciously and I should have not reacted so badly to have to discuss the legal aspects with her again - I thought it had all been sorted out and that we didn't need to discuss that part anymore. She wrote back later and said she didn't mean to cause a bad reaction, and that she has written to eBay for clarification on the matter, to see if her views of the legality or not are correct. I supposed in her situation, I might consider doing the same. If no one wants to buy the book from her, I will buy it from her, but she's not keen on sending it all the way to Austria. I think I really do need to leave. It's not just this situation, but kind of a cumulative guilt that I don't really think is psychologically healthy for me to revisit every day. All the best, Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: Smurf To: Marian Russell ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Dear Marian, I am sorry that what I wrote has apparently caused you to decide to quit the list. I have a knee-jerk tendancy to speak for the underdog that always seems to backfire on me because I do not handle conflict well. In any case, I thought the eBay lady had addressed the concerns of JMDLers very graciously, and deserved to be treated more considerately. Best wishes, whatever you decide to do. But I don't think it's necessary to leave the list over something you felt strongly about. --Bob Murphy ----- Original Message ---- From: Marian Russell To: Smurf ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:43:50 PM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:13:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks No problem with me. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 5, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Marian Russell wrote: I apologize for sending the emails to the list. I did it without really thinking. My intentions were not to vilify anyone. I felt exasperated and I should have waited until I calmed down. I feel ashamed and sorry, if that matters to anyone. Anyway, I'm leaving so you don't have to worry about ever hearing from me again. Usually it has been nice here and there are many memories that I will treasure into my old age, not the least of which were the Jonifests and many of the remarkable and generous people that I had the good fortune to meet face to face, not the least of which was Bob Murphy. I'm sorry. Be well. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:27:17 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC Dang, David E, nice post! I have time to address only one point: > Furs and Bentleys are certainly elective, but are food and basic clothing elective? No, of course not. I've lived in only one state that taxed food: Virginia. Not sure if that's still the case, or if it's the only state that taxes food, but it always seemed greedy and ridiculous -- and WRONG -- to me. When I lived in Philadelphia, there was periodically a time frame (I think it was right before the new school year started) when clothing was not taxed, either. Food and basic clothing should not be taxed, period. Basic school supplies should not be taxed, either. Otherwise, just about everything else is an elective purchase, and (imo) there's nothing wrong with taxing elective purchases. Perhaps a "flat" (or "fair") tax isn't the answer, but it still seems to be a better solution than our current tax strategy. Then again, Marxism is appealing to me, too ... but only on paper. It never seems to work in reality. Lori Santa Rosa, CA (yeah, I've lived in a lot of places) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:36:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Marian, I don't have the original email you sent but I'd be happy to buy this cookbook and make it a giveaway at the next fest. That way she only has to ship it to SC. Give me the particulars and I'll take care of it. I love you and hope you don't go away. One of my greatest musical honors was performing with you in our set at Full Moon: Free Man In Paris, Talk To Me, Refuge Of The Roads. I'll never forget it. Bob NP: Martha & The Vandellas, "Dancing In The Street" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Just doing a Google Images search on my name produces 4 pics of me, plus one of my friend Lucy with my name beneath it.) I did care that some here were concerned about feeling "exposed" due to the unexpected appearance of the cookbook -- on one hand, anyway. On the other hand, my reaction was occasionally something like: "Waaaah." Perhaps producing 75 copies of it for the 2003 Jonifest wasn't such a bright move; the book was bound (no pun intended) to end up in places we never considered at that time. Hindsight is always more accurate, ya know? Anyway, there's no reason for anyone to leave the list over this. (Marian? You hear me??) Let's just settle down and maybe everyone who can afford to send $5 to "eBay Mary" will do that, and we can show her how generous the JMDL really is. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did, Kate - even though it was just a hand-held camera I just thought it captured the love and pride that the teacher had for these kids and vice versa. Not to mention the angelic faces and voices. And also inspiring to consider that ONE person (Joni) has brought so much joy and beauty into the world. Bob NP: XTC, "Frivolous Tonight" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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I KNOW this is not the first time those questions have occurred to you. ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:51:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game Yes, so often we see children singing & as cute as they are, many are just kind of going through the motions or feeling unsure of themselves in front of an audience but these kids were really inside the music >Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did, Kate - even though it was just a hand-held camera I just thought it captured the love and pride that the teacher had for these kids and vice versa. Not to mention the angelic faces and voices. And also inspiring to consider that ONE person (Joni) has brought so much joy and beauty into the world. Bob < ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:16:33 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: 100 Greatest Gayest Albums Not my list but I'd have included Donna Summer's "Live and More", Manhattan Transfer's "Extensions" and certainly Bette Midler's "Thighs and Whispers." And how could Ethel Merman's Disco Album be MIA? CC _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:20:59 -0500 From: "Dave Folks" Subject: (NJC) US of A Election The thing about this whole election campaign (that feels like it's been going on nearly 87 years now), is how much money has been spent on advertising, coach and airplane rental, fuel, etc.! Hundreds of millions of dollars (could it be over a billion?). I shudder when I think of all the hungry children and homeless people who could've been helped with all that cash. At least this election isn't between tweedle-dum and tweedle-dumber. Peace, ~Dave When you don't know where you're going you've got to stick together, just in case someone gets there! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks, njc A muSLIM man wrote: Hey, this cookbook compiler is Marian, not Marion. Marion is our friend from Sweden. Hiya Rian, Love the alliteration and assonance in this most poetic sentence. I think we ought to collaborate and write a song with it. We can call the song Swedish Pancakes. Does Marion make Swedish pancakes? Marion in a coat of flower, stops inside a baked goods store... Love, Laura PS. I was under the impression that Mary Mary took the cookiss bookiss off eBay because it was falsely advertised as "rare." I don't think we should be guilted into buying it. XOXOXXXO to Smurph! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:37:33 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: RE: NJC. Now: religion I'm not so sure about the zero. I thought the Indians gave the Arabs the zero. A friend from Morocco once explained how the Arabic numerals were originally formed with the same number of lines as the numerals they represented. For example, the numeral 1 was made of one line (which is obvious); 2 was connected by two lines, 3 by three lines, and so on..... He drew them for me. Unfortunately, I'm unable to draw them here on the list. But I found it fascinating because I never knew this before. Mia > Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:21:52 -0700 > From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca > Subject: Re: NJC. Now: religion > To: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org; hvnphun16@hotmail.com > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/3/08, mia _ wrote: > > > Some of the ancient Greeks were aware of a sun-centered > > universe in which the > > planets revolved around. Aristarchus was probably > > the most notable, a couple hundred years B.C.E. The > > early/medieval Christians > > lost or destroyed much of history's > > scientific works. But we have the Arabs to thank today. > > They preserved a lot > > of it, only to be uncovered by the Christians around the > > 15th century or so. > > But this is just Western history I'm speaking of. > > > > Mia > > > > p.s. I think it's great to see your kind of posts on > > this list. > > > Ah! the Christians! You just gotta love 'em. I was going to say "the early Christians", but there are still a lot of that type around today. > > And the Arabs also invented the zero (0). What would math and computers do without the 0? Imagine an amortization table in Roman numerals. > > And when I think of the zero, I think of Patti Smith's bonechilling song "Radio Baghdad." (We invented the zero But we mean nothing to you) Complete lyrics below if anyone wants to read. > > > Radio Baghdad > > Suffer not Your neighbor's affliction > Suffer not Your neighbor's paralysis > But extend your hand Extend your hand > Lest you vanish in the city And be but a trace > Just a vanished ghost And your legacy > All the things you knew Science, mathematics, thought > Severely weakened Like irrigation systems > In the tired veins forming From the Tigris and Euphrates > In the realm of peace All the world revolved > All the world revolved Around a perfect circle > City of Baghdad City of scholars > Empirical humble Center of the world > City in ashes City of Baghdad > City of Baghdad Abrasive aloof > > Oh, in Mesopotamia Aloofness ran deep > Deep in the veins of the great rivers > That form the base Of Eden > And the tree The tree of knowledge > Held up its arms To the sky > All the branches of knowledge All the branches of knowledge > Cradling Cradling > Civilization In the realm of peace > All the world revolved Around a perfect circle > Oh Baghdad Center of the world > City of ashes With its great mosques > Erupting from the mouth of god Rising from the ashes like > a speckled bird Splayed against the mosaic sky > Oh, clouds around We created the zero > But we mean nothing to you You would believe > That we are just some mystical tale We are just a swollen belly > That gave birth to Sinbad, Scheherazade We gave birth > Oh, oh, to the zero The perfect number > We invented the zero And we mean nothing to you > Our children run through the streets > And you sent your flames Your shooting stars > Shock and awe Shock and awe > Like some, some Imagined warrior production > Twenty-first century No chivalry involved > No Bushido > > Oh, the code of the West Long gone > Never been Where does it lie? > You came, you came Through the west > Annihilated a people And you come to us > But we are older than you You come you wanna > You wanna come and rob the cradle > Of civilization And you read yet you read > You read Genesis You read of the tree > You read of the tree Beget by god > That raised its branches into the sky Every branch of knowledge > Of the cradle of civilization > > Of the banks of the Tigris and the Euphrates > Oh, in Mesopotamia Aloofness ran deep > The face of Eve turning What sky did she see > What garden beneath her feet The one you drill > You drill Pulling the blood of the earth > Little droplets of oil for bracelets Little jewels > Sapphires You make bracelets > Round your own world We are weeping tears > Rubies We offer them to you > We are just Your Arabian nightmare > We invented the zero But we mean nothing to you > Your Arabian nightmare > > City of stars City of scholarship > Science City of ideas > City of light City > City of ashes That the great Caliph > Walked through His naked feet formed a circle > And they built a city A perfect city of Baghdad > In the realm of peace And all the world revolved > And they invented And they mean nothing to you > Nothing to you Nothing > > Go to sleep Go to sleep my child > Go to sleep And I'll sing you a lullaby > A lullaby for our city A lullaby of Baghdad > Go to sleep Sleep my child > Sleep Sleep... > Run Run... > > You sent your lights Your bombs > You sent them down on our city Shock and awe > Like some crazy t.v. show > > They're robbing the cradle of civilization > They're robbing the cradle of civilization > They're robbing the cradle of civilization > > Suffer not The paralysis of your neighbor > Suffer not But extend your hand > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at > http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:53:29 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Sarah Palin and team, now the earth njc Hi Laura. Well this is opening the proverbial Pandora's Box is it not? Indeed man is a part of nature, I apologize if my message came across otherwise. The problem is the Western Cultural notion (and other cultures that do and do not emulate the West) that man's relationship to nature is that of conquest, rather than coexisting. The Judeo/Christian/Islamic teachings that are self-serving and would have man worship his own ego and espouse that man is somehow "nobler" than beast (other species) - the last I recollect, only man was allowed entrance to the various metaphors for eternal life aka heaven - help to provide a rationale for this continued plundering of the Earth and quell the cognitive dissonance about what happens to man's ego once death occurs. My knowledge of religion is very limited as I have said as it never really made much sense to me, and I'm sure people will find some bit of text from somewhere in those voluminous works to reveal compassion for those species we take (share) the land from (with). But the overall message is man has dominion over all living things, I believe this is a fair assesment. Yes Homo sapiens are opportunists, just as is practically every other species of animal, plant, fungus, etc...and not subject to controls are no different than yeast in a petri dish, which will explode exponentially and the next thing you know, they have used up all the media upon which they depend to survive, and you suddenly have a massive die-off. The difference being, man has the intellectual ability to see where this mindset of destroy and conquer ultimately leads. Instead he often chooses to follow millenia-old teachings which are self-serving and further his own interests. We are in a sense "hard-wired" with short-term vision (not unlike species closest to us which share most of our DNA) which allows us to adapt rapidly, but that does not take into account long term consequence. And of course man has those "big machines" which allow for agribusiness to produce and harvest ever-more mono cultures resulting in a non-sustainable population of 6.7 billion and growing exponentially, whole-sale destruction of entire landscapes turning them into moonscapes (Alberta tar sands for example), not to mention those "big machines" that take the form of weaponry, which is being currently deployed as Depleted Uranium munitions and truth be told is actually a nuclear weapon - a deadly, carcinogenic material - being spread across the planet...not to mention far more deadly WMD. "The Planet of the Apes" and and it's sequel were and are really such prescient movies IMHO regarding where use of religion to claim "righteousness" and in turn provide the rationale for use of power in the form of WMD against one another ultimately leads to. Also "Logan's Run", especially with it's references to "Ankh" and "Sanctuary" and what those ultimately represented. Just as the Brazilian Pepper Tree (Schinus terebinthifolius), once introduced decades ago as an ornamental plant from well...ok...Brazil... is practically ubiquitous now over 2/3 of the Florida peninsula, and moving northwards every year, so any species introduced or adapted to ambient conditions will exploit those circumstances. Schefflera, Melaleuca, Ficus are but a few of the "exotic pests" omnipresent in South Florida that come to mind, as well as Iguanas in Florida, Armadillos in Florida and most of the Eastern Southern states for that matter, Honeybees (from Europe) etc...Wasn't practically every living thing an "exotic pest" at some point somewhere during the history of the Earth? There has and always will be a Darwinian struggle for survival, but man has had the upper-edge thus far with his machines and scientific discoveries. The law of unintended consequences, however, through so very many mechanisms - - global warming, massive declines in insects adapted to pollinate particular crops, drug-resistant pathogens as well as emerging pathogens spread worldwide by jet travel to name a few, has pushed us into this brave new world where suddenly, it is apparent that "tunnel vision" science and certainly no one politician (who by definition tell people what it is they *want* to hear) is going to save our day. American Indians - a curious name as you noted - although living in a much more harmonious state than subscribers to Western Cultural notions (and to be fair other cultures as well) - had significant impact on the land, and if truth be told, they themselves "exploited" a couple of continents, their ancestors making their way across the Bering Strait land bridge from Asia to populate both Northern and Southern America. That being said, at least those living in North America had a respect for the land and the environment that are worlds apart from the cultural mindset we are indoctrinated with. "Same as it ever was". Peace - -- - -Mark in Florida On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > > So what makes humanity not part of the natural world in this sense? I > was a biologist before I entered the medical profession, and all of the > organisms we studied both in botany, zoology, and microbiology do just > this... seek out a secure place where they can take as much from the > environment as possible for food and populate uncontrollably unless kept in > check by other organisms or weather. > > Look at what the geese have done and the results in the Tundra as an > example. Plants in a garden are another easy example to see. The garden > will become over grown by whatever plant can take the most space and > nutrients. It is natural isn't it? > > I like to think of the American Indians (neither American nor Indian) as > an example of accepting and not denying humanity is part of nature unlike > the mindset of our culture (love the term! makes me think of what we grew in > petri dishes!) that thinks and acts as if we are in a different realm from > nature, a mindset that seems to come from egocentric christianity when it > forgets about St. Francis and how the Jews related to the earth... 'remember > that you are dust and to dust you shall return.' > > It is amazing to me how the mindset that humanity is somehow outside of > the realm of nature is engrained even in those who don't claim to be > christian. I wonder what the population of the American Indian would be now > if immigrants hadn't populated the USA instead? I wonder what > "technological" advances they would have made? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:03:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin > Some of the reasons I find Sarah Palin cool and refreshing are because of how she stood up to corruptness in her state< And she is under investigation by the state attorney general for corruption. Am I naove to hope that the same republican party money that helped her win her current position won't influence this outcome? Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:10:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Sarah Palin njc >I heard her say that, as a mother of five children, she has learned to "multi-task." I have so many reasons why I absolutely do not trust anyone who claims to be a "multi-tasker,"< Multi-tasking is so yesterday. :~} There are studies showing how this actually decreases productivity. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Sarah Palin and team, and now the earth njc Mark wrote: The difference being, man has the intellectual ability to see where this mindset of destroy and conquer ultimately leads. Hi Mark, I really liked your post. We can only hope the sentence above is true. I have to wonder if perhaps the human lower brain centers, the seat of emotion, will in the end resonate more loudly than those providing intellect and regardless of how we know destroy and conquer leads to our own destruction, we pursue it. There is opening of the intellect with the buddhist experience of nirvana or the christian concept of detachment obtained sometimes through practices like fasting together with prayer. There are only a few enlightened people however, like Ghandi for instance, who have through example and visualizing the bigger picture passed on their enlightenment. Actions are the true test. Joni's is another visionary who enlightens, which I think most if not all on this list have experienced through her music. Her vision seems to be the product of her shamanic experiences that have opened her intellect. It is all about open-mindedness in my opinion. What seems to be repeated in history regardless of the evolution of the species is that fear prevents open-mindedness regardless of how intellectually superior humanity might perceive itself. Love, Laura (loving the freedom of all flying things) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: I like dogs, njc http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_gxYkDPqDQk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Coffee, coffee, njc http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CgpgE4PVVwM&feature=related ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Drive thru, njc http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sGoljjPSyBQ&feature=user ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 05:05:57 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc - -original message- Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks, njc From: Laura Stanley Date: 06.09.2008 2:45 am A muSLIM man wrote: >> LOL. You're naughty, Laura. OK. I'm thin now but i'm not slim. I guess thin and slim is different. Wait... Now i'm not sure. Is there any difference between thin and slim (in english)? Catherine? (nonono, I'm not making fun of your size. I'm calling you because as far as i remember, when it comes to english, you always give good explanation) Rian New Thin on The Block ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 05:29:16 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Subject: PS22 Sings Circle Game Joni should see that. Rian (shortest post so far) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC. Now: religion - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, mia _ wrote: > I'm not so sure about the zero. I thought the Indians > gave the Arabs the > zero. > It's what I've always heard. And I guess Patti Smith did too. We could both be wrong. Westerners seem to get Arabs, Indians or anyone not-white as being the same. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sarah Palin njc - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Kate Bennett wrote: > Multi-tasking is so yesterday. :~} There are studies > showing how this > actually decreases productivity. Kate Yes!!! I do a really good imitation of the person at work who says things like that. She says her /s/ kind of like /sh/, and always has a bit of a toothy smile on - picture Carole Channing, if you're old enough to know who I mean, but with dark hair. "I'm a detail-orie-ented multi-tash-ker!" Man, do I hate that shite! __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, do9eatdo9@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> > LOL. > You're naughty, Laura. > OK. I'm thin now but i'm not slim. I guess thin and > slim is different. Wait... Now i'm not sure. > > Is there any difference between thin and slim (in english)? > Catherine? (nonono, I'm not making fun of your size. > I'm calling you because as far as i remember, when it > comes to english, you always give good explanation) > Oh, sure. Suck up to me now. If there's a difference between slim and thin, it's pretty subtle. If you say someone is slim, it's either positive or neutral, but not negative. If you say they're thin, it can be either neutral or somewhat negative. You'd never say that someone was too slim, but you might say they're too thin. 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Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Coffee, coffee, njc Laura, you got some kinda thing for the mullet man? :o))) - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Coffee, coffee, njc > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:47 PM > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CgpgE4PVVwM&feature=related ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: I like dogs, njc Such a silly video of a mullet-haired, roller-blading master human with two pretty bitches by his side---reminds me somewhat of McCain---and he's no Cesar Millan, believe me!! ~lovingly~ Truly (and *"most lovingly"*) Yours, Jean *get a good and loving grip of yourself* - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: I like dogs, njc > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:43 PM > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_gxYkDPqDQk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Drive thru, njc Laura, If I had all this spare time on my hands to search for silly You-Tube videos like you do to post on the JMDL, I'd be out there with 'em, too! Honestly, Jeannie - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Drive thru, njc > To: joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:49 PM > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sGoljjPSyBQ&feature=user ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:20:43 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: This Just In (NJC Just heard it on the wire. Rocky and Bullwinkle have endorsed Senator Obama for President of the United States of America. No immediate explanantion was given. Love Paz Lighten up everybody. At least you guys have electricty and running water and Joni records to listen to (hopefully no wind or water damage), and of course we have each other. Marian, please don't go. Love Paz NP-James Taylor and Sheryl Crow singing Fire and Rain on TV Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc well in Jethro Tull's "Fat Man" Ian A. says "I'd rather be a thin man, so glad to go on being one"......rather than "I'd rather be a "slim" man" - so to me that is ALLLLLLLLLL the difference in the world. Just kidding, but to me "slim", is more of a glossed-over fashion term. I could be wrong. Kinda like Jefferson Airplane's "white Levi's" ads..... (wrong AND SLIM) :D Em (possibly wrong and definately not "slim") (what if Jordan River were warm and slim????) Happy Friday folks, I'm gonna try and chill out and try to reconnect with some good music and try to forget all the freely dribbled caca from the week. Anybody know guitarist Gary Moore??? omg he is GOD...he and Brain Setzer...... thank God for rock and roll........thank GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the HD TV concert channel is really cool sometimes. - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Catherine McKay wrote: From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc To: "Laura Stanley" , joni@smoe.org, do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:44 PM - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, do9eatdo9@yahoo.com wrote: > > >> > LOL. > You're naughty, Laura. > OK. I'm thin now but i'm not slim. I guess thin and > slim is different. Wait... Now i'm not sure. > > Is there any difference between thin and slim (in english)? > Catherine? (nonono, I'm not making fun of your size. > I'm calling you because as far as i remember, when it > comes to english, you always give good explanation) > Oh, sure. Suck up to me now. If there's a difference between slim and thin, it's pretty subtle. If you say someone is slim, it's either positive or neutral, but not negative. If you say they're thin, it can be either neutral or somewhat negative. You'd never say that someone was too slim, but you might say they're too thin. Capisce? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:41:57 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Michael Moore's "Slacker Uprising", Steve Earle on TV tonight Happy Friday, Babies! What a long, strange trippy two weeks it's been, looking for conventional wisdom, up all night in the studios and then up early on the ranch. Everyone back to school and working hard, end of summer now. My inbox is overflowing like those nets were in the Gulf of Mexico! I'm craving simplicity but still find anima rising, uprising in me tonight. And here is some more uprising! "No one can make a documentary with as much political savvy, humor, and creativity as Michael Moore. And no one is as willing to tackle our elected officials with the same tenacity. (TIC from PP: You've got to be braver than that You tackle the beast alone With all its tenacious teeth! Light the lamp.) After unleashing Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11, and SiCKO in recent years, Moore has set his sights on the Bush administration and our nation's voter turnout in his latest film, Slacker Uprising, which chronicles his 62-city swing state tour of college campuses just prior to the 2004 election. Here's the best part. To maximize the reach of his message and as a thank you gift to his fans, Moore is adopting a novel approach to distributing this film. He's teaming up with Brave New Films to distribute the movie online, completely free of charge. Sign up now on http://slackeruprising.com and you will be notified when the film is available for free download on September 23. You can also buy the DVD for $9.95, which will start shipping on September 23 and features extras like: Special Guest Joan Baez - America the Beautiful, Why People Like George Bush?, My Pet Goat, The O'Reilly Factor for Kids, Just Add Water and Heat - More Ramen and Clean Underwear, and more. Or should I say, Moore! We share Moore's hope that this film will get people to vote in this election, just as Moore's 2004 tour sparked greater turnout. So go to http://slackeruprising.com now, spread the trailer around to your friends, and get inspired. Yours, Robert Greenwald and the Brave New team " ***** Sweet inspiration just as we're getting ready to roll up our sleeves and start pitchin' in! Oh, and since the trailer mentions Steve Earle, I should tell you that he is supposed to be on Letterman tonight. Oops! Hold on. Let me re-phrase that or some silly SoB will pin me in a corner again: Steve Earle is supposed to be on the Late Show with David Letterman tonight. Bon weekend, Joniami(e)s! And shelter from the storm for all of our friends in the path of Hana. Peace, Patti P. P.S. "Be afraid, be very afraid." Yes, Bo dear! That's what I was saying to friends all day Thursday. Great hearts and minds think alike. You ALL had such great thoughts. Comfort and consultation, you know, that's what we find here. And that video was great, Lori! The first time I saw SP on my computer screen when it was first announced, I thought it was a SNL joke with Tina Fey. Alas, it is no joke. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 01:09:27 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, Joni won't like Sarah Palin Betcha eighteen bucks that Joni won't like Sarah Palin. Remember Joni saying in a recent interview that the biggest sorrow in her life was what we have done to our earth? Palin: the real scandal By Leonard Doyle in Anchorage Saturday, 6 September 2008 "Seen from the air, Sarah Palin's state is an environmental wonderland. From Anchorage to the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, there is a vast landscape of snow-capped peaks, fjords, crystal glaciers, coastal lagoons, wide river deltas and tundra. The guardian of this wilderness  and Governor of Alaska  has, this week, become one of the most recognisable faces in the world. But behind her beaming smile and wholesome family values is a woman aligned with the big oil and coal firms that are racing to exploit Alaska's vast energy reserves...." The whole thing is here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/palin-the-real-scandal-920803.html Thank you BS from SS for sending this. "Palin has allowed big game hunters to shoot Alaska's bears and wolves from low-flying planes." She would let someone shoot Joni's bear! Imaginez-vous! Black bear in the orchard At night he's in my garbage cans He's getting so bold but no one wants to shoot him He's got a right to roam this land. I feel like Geronimo I used to be as trusting as Cochise But the white eyes lies He's out of whack with nature And look how far his weapons reach! Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place. I don't think this woman has the courage and the grace -- or the genius -- to save this place. She's out of whack with nature. She sets up trembling in my bones. xo, pp "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc Well, for me, true beauty has NOTHING to do with weight....NOTHING!!!! I just finished watching Michael Moore on Larry King Live and I find him one of the most astonishing and beautiful men of the world when I look deep into his eyes (PP knows) and that's all that matters when you're in tune with the Odes on some ancient Grecian Urn of absolute truth and beauty. Lucky for us that we have Joni! Jeannie - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Em wrote: >> well in Jethro Tull's "Fat Man" Ian A. says > "I'd rather be a thin man, so glad to go on being > one"......rather than "I'd rather be a > "slim" man" - so to me that is ALLLLLLLLLL > the difference in the world. Just kidding, but to me > "slim", is more of a glossed-over fashion term. I > could be wrong. Kinda like Jefferson Airplane's > "white Levi's" ads..... > (wrong AND SLIM) > :D > Em > (possibly wrong and definately not "slim") (what > if Jordan River were warm and slim????) > Happy Friday folks, I'm gonna try and chill out and try > to reconnect with some good music and try to forget all the > freely dribbled caca from the week. Anybody know guitarist > Gary Moore??? omg he is GOD...he and Brain Setzer...... > thank God for rock and roll........thank > GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > and the HD TV concert channel is really cool sometimes. > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Catherine McKay > wrote: > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Slim/thin. Was: JM Cookbooks, njc > To: "Laura Stanley" > , joni@smoe.org, > do9eatdo9@yahoo.com > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 6:44 PM > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, do9eatdo9@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > LOL. > > You're naughty, Laura. > > OK. I'm thin now but i'm not slim. I guess > thin and > > slim is different. Wait... Now i'm not sure. > > > > Is there any difference between thin and slim (in > english)? > > Catherine? (nonono, I'm not making fun of your > size. > > I'm calling you because as far as i remember, when > it > > comes to english, you always give good explanation) > > > > Oh, sure. Suck up to me now. > > If there's a difference between slim and thin, it's > pretty subtle. If > you say someone is slim, it's either positive or > neutral, but not negative. > If you say they're thin, it can be either neutral or > somewhat negative. > You'd never say that someone was too slim, but you > might say they're too > thin. > > Capisce? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:01:53 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Sarah Palin and team, and now the earth njc Laura, thanks for the kind words regarding my post. I think we must share very similar views on the planet, mankind - and his endless quest for meaning resulting in a plethora of religions, some of the most subscribed to being Judeo/Christian and Islamic faiths also responsible for so many wars and destruction - and the natural world of which he is part but from which he tries to distance himself, and the macro-picture this is presenting. Essentially the thrust of Joni's most recent album "Shine".Perhaps having backgrounds in the Natural Sciences contributes to the similar views, I can't say. I obtained the Miami Geological Society Award back in 1984, and naturally have never done anything with that knowledge (hahaha!) except 1) watch NOVA when I had a television, 2) read one of my icon's books voraciously - Carl Sagan (I love the man - what a tragic loss to humanity - and can definitely see his father's influence in his son Dorion's books) and 3) contribute to the JMDL regarding issues of environment and the Earth - luckily for me Joni's primary area of interest at the moment !!! I most likely would have studied Biology, however I was not the one paying for College and since my father was a petroleum engineer (who was determined that I be an engineer as well - NOT even remotely possible!!!) I chose to study Geology as a kind of compromise, which I don't regret, as I love all of the Natural Sciences. I think in another lifetime - I would have liked to have been one of those people exploring the far corners of the Earth, scouting for previously unknown plant species - now I fear that dozens and dozens disappear every day - along with species from the other four "kingdoms"...when a single new taxonomic discovery is a relatively rare event. I now see how Joni's lines from "Impossible Dreamer"..."We can solve everything with science...science!!!...it's a way of getting what you want out of life!!" was really a precursor to her lyrics from "Shine" ..."Shine on science, with it's tunnel vision, tunnel vision" and how she was so visionary about science in regards to the "good"...which we are indoctrinated with ..."GE We Bring Good Things to Life!!", but also the "bad"...which we don't hear so much about...ie the continental gyres of plastic (which never completely degrades) swirling in many of not all of our oceans, the microscopic depleted uranium that is emitting radiation that is lodged in the lungs and bodies of many veterans and countless Arab peoples (and camels and other life forms), "terminator seeds" and the suicides of so many Indian (subcontinent) farmers, etc... Anyways, yes although we have been a rational society with the advent of the industrial revolution, we were largely an emotional society in the agricultural era before that. I too fear that instead of using intellect, people will revert back to their primitive, or emotional brain. This is not really a difficult prediction to make unfortunately, simply look to history and to the current state of affairs in our own government for example. Those that know how to get the vote - and Republicans are expert on this - know that the most effective means has been to appeal consciously or unconsciously to people's primitive brain, that is to say their emotional brain and fear. Spiritually enlightened people, unfortunately, also are those that tend to be more introspective and have taken the journey inwards, and as such, with notable exceptions, are pacifistic and not by temperament the kind of people that ultimately attract a large following - at least in "Good Ole God Save America". Which is kind of the paradox of the human situation in the world we find ourselves in at this moment. What we need are compassionate, healing leaders with a heavy dose of sensitivity to the environment, but this is at odds with the leadership that is voted in, time and time again. "Might is right". I worry as well about the primitive brain and "fear". I envision a world in which resources are becoming increasingly scarcer, with increasing demands of those which are left, and although there have been wars fought over resources before, the US has embarked on at least two, starting with Gulf War I, and I don't really see these ending from this point on in all honesty. American Empire, that is to say America's strategic interests are to be protected at all costs, with either Obama or McCain, though I am about as fond of McCain and his anger management problems as I am with Junior and his temper tantrums. So in summary, like Joni I don't think that rationally the time our species has left on this planet is particularly long. She says she believes in miracles, however, which are irrational, and I do agree it will take a miracle at this point for humans to lay down their pride, acknowledge the burden of shame we all carry on our shoulders, work more on trust instead of continually instilling fear of "them", to reach a consensus and action of what is best for the planet, it's peoples, and the environment which we should honor, but by example instead deride, by paving over paradise with ever more monuments to our Shopping Mall Regime. Peace - -- - -Mark in Florida NP: Joy Williams: Say Goodbye (no I'm not a Christian soldier either!!!) What we need is a On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Mark wrote: > > The difference being, man has the intellectual ability to see where this > mindset of destroy and conquer ultimately leads. > > > Hi Mark, > > I really liked your post. We can only hope the sentence above is true. I > have to wonder if perhaps the human lower brain centers, the seat of > emotion, will in the end resonate more loudly than those providing intellect > and regardless of how we know destroy and conquer leads to our own > destruction, we pursue it. > > There is opening of the intellect with the buddhist experience of nirvana > or the christian concept of detachment obtained sometimes through practices > like fasting together with prayer. There are only a few enlightened people > however, like Ghandi for instance, who have through example and visualizing > the bigger picture passed on their enlightenment. Actions are the true > test. Joni's is another visionary who enlightens, which I think most if not > all on this list have experienced through her music. Her vision seems to be > the product of her shamanic experiences that have opened her intellect. > > It is all about open-mindedness in my opinion. What seems to be repeated > in history regardless of the evolution of the species is that fear prevents > open-mindedness regardless of how intellectually superior humanity might > perceive itself. > > Love, > Laura (loving the freedom of all flying things) > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #195 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------