From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #194 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 5 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 194 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC [David Eoll ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin ["T Peckham" ] Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC ["T Peckham" ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin ["T Peckham" ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin ["T Peckham" ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Jerry Notaro ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Laura Stanley ] Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC [Bob.M] RE: PS22 Sings Circle Game [Laura Stanley ] Re: Sarah Palin NJC [Laura Stanley ] Re: Sarah Palin and team, now the earth njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Catherine McKay ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Jeannie ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums [Jeannie ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Laura Stanley ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Laura Stanley ] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Em ] Re: JM Cookbooks [Smurf ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["Marian Russell" ] Re: JM Cookbooks ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: JM Cookbooks, njc [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:51:55 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Fw: JM Cookbooks Okay, below is what I replied. I hope that someone out there will buy the second book that Mary has to offer. I hope that this issue can be peacefully resolved. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marian Russell To: Mary Hanrahan Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:48 AM Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Hello Mary - I feel like your messages to me are becoming borderline abusive. I have tried to be clear and helpful and considerate. I don't know what other people have said to you. I don't understand what you mean by the "gangbangers approach". I did not ask anyone to write to you and harrass you. Perhaps you are correct in your position vis a vis ebay, or perhaps not. I really don't know, because I am not a lawyer and I really don't care at this point. I really don't want to speak with you anymore about what may or may not be true, so please do not write to me anymore about what you think your legal position is. As I wrote in my last email, if you don't get any offers in the next two weeks, let me know and I will contact the two other people that I thought might have been interested, and if they are not interested, let me know and I will buy the book, as I offered before. Sincerely, Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:32:55 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC > From: Em > Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin > > Cuz they're HYPOCRITES, Bob! HYPOCRITES!!!!! > But then, we knew this. > They make me retch. It always seemed to me Jesus saved most of his venom (not that he had much venom) for the hypocrites, and rightly so. But, I don't think these folks have read that far in their Bibles, or maybe they tore those pages out. They seem to usually skip right over most of the New Testament, and go straight to Revelations. > From: "Mark Angelo" > Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin > > Well I just watched her speech via the Internet (no TV at home by choice). > > It was unquestionably a case of style over substance - yet the style, so > important in this "land of short attention spans", will undoubtedly resonate > with a good many Americans. The Republicans understand very well that most Americans vote with their emotions and not with their intellect. One thing you won't hear them discuss in this election is the issues. If Americans voted for president based on how closely the candidates' position on the issues matched their own, Ralph Nader would be finishing up his second term. So, although I don't think this was a play for Hillary voters per se, it was a play for "ordinary people". I mean she's a soccer mom, an actual soccer mom. (well, hockey actually) And it was absolutely a play to get the Religious Right's infamous ground game fired up. They love her, even though they don't love McCain. And although one anecdote does not a trend make, my father's younger sister, like most of my dad's family, is a lifelong republican. She's been living in Dallas for many years, single (divorced) mom, juggling career and kids, been laid off several times. And she's fed up with the republicans in general, and with Bush in particular. My dad has been working on her for months and had finally convinced her to vote for Obama. ... and then Palin. Well, my aunt went nuts over her. Loves her. So, they have her back in the fold now. Mission Accomplished. Dems, online folks, news pundits were all quick to criticize this short-timer, former beauty queen, from a little town in a big state with no people in it. But, I notice that Obama seems to be counting on winning some of those big Western states with little towns with almost no people in them as part of his electoral strategy. And they love their state fairs out there, and their beauty queens, and their hunting. So, although choosing Palin was certainly risky, it could pay off. It may be McCain's only hope. BTW, the guy running McCain's campaign right now, Steve Schmidt, is no amateur, he's a Karl Rove protege. If anyone can elect McCain, it'll be someone like Schmidt. And they won't do it by focusing on the issues. They'll do it by getting enough people to forget all about the issues while their emotional buttons are being pushed. Forget her politics, she's EveryMom. > From: "Lori Fye" > Subject: Re: Palin and team, njc > > >>How do I feel about Palin? >> >>I find her nomination very odd. >>I wonder if the republican party is desperately trying to >>get the woman's vote. > > > Yes, but they're more desperate to reenergize the right wing Evangelical > vote, and they've surely succeeded with choosing Palin. Brilliant move. There are probably multiple reasons why they settled on Palin, but this is surely the main one. > >>I don't believe that the Obama Team will raise taxes for >>the middle and lower income brackets. > > > As a proponent of raising the piss out of taxes for everyone (I was just in > Vancouver, BC, where taxes are high and the city is so clean and functional > ... think those things are related? I do), I don't care if Obama raises > taxes on whomever. My personal preferences are a flat income tax (where > everyone pays the same share) or nixing the income tax altogether and > raising the hell out of the sales tax (so taxes become "elective"). I just have to respond to this. The Flat Tax is often marketed as the Fair Tax, and at first glance, it appears so. It seems simple. Everyone pays the same rate, what could be fairer than that? But, not all income is the same. Lets say the first $20k or so pays for basic survival: food, clothing, shelter. The next $20k might pay for a car, a house payment, the next $20k might pay for the kids college fund, the next $20k for retirement, etc. Beyond that you start getting into luxury items. And as you go farther up the income scale you're way, way beyond necessary survival, and even basic betterment, and into serious toys. Should all of those $20k "bundles" be taxed the same? You might still say yes, but I say no. And the rationale behind a progressive income tax (progressive is a mathematical term here, tax rate increases as income increases) is that the money that you're buying your food and shelter with is not the same as the money you're buying your furs, boats and Bentleys with. A sales tax is actually the opposite of a progressive tax, its regressive. Because it hits lower income people harder than higher-income people. Again, this is because not all expenditures are "elective" as you claim. Furs and Bentleys are certainly elective, but are food and basic clothing elective? Lower income people spend a much greater percentage of their income than higher income people, for the simple reason that most of their income is used for essential expenses, not elective ones. Very wealthy people can live lavish life styles while only spending a fraction of their incomes. The rest they invest. So, they will end up paying a MUCH, MUCH lower tax rate (as a percentage of income) under a sales-tax-only system than a person living below the poverty level. Hardly fair. Which is why the Uber-Wealthy love the idea of a Flat Tax, and they love the idea of a National Sales Tax even more. >>I am curious to know her birthday. >>I will have to look it up. > > > It's February 11, 1964. Are we still in the Age of Aquarius? Astrological Ages are associated with the precession of the earth's axis. The earth is wobbly, just like a top. And each wobble takes about 26,000 years. What this means is that the seasons gradually change with respect to the earth's position around the sun. Hmmm... that's not very clear. Let me try it this way. Imagine that you're looking at the solar system from far, far above the south pole. Visualize it like a clock, and the sun is at the center. The earth is moving around the sun as if it were on the end of one of the clock's hands. It takes one year for the earth to make its way around all the numbers on the clock. Now, lets say that the summer solstice occurs when the earth is at the 12 o'clock position, the autumn equinox occurs at the 3 o'clock position, the winter solstice at 6, and the spring equinox at 9. Also, it just occurs to me that we're in luck. There are 12 numbers on the clock and there are 12 houses of the zodiac. Perfect. Now, when the earth is at a given clock position, say 12, we would say that the sun is in the House of Six, since from the point of view of earth (at 12) the sun would be blocking our view of six. Now, astrological ages refer to which house the sun is in at the moment of the vernal (spring) equinox, which we said occurs at 9 o'clock. From the point of view of 9, the sun is blocking 3, so we are currently in the Age of Three. Now (I'm almost done), because of the earth's wobble (precession), the vernal equinox was not always, and will not always, be at 9 o'clock. Over the course of about 2000 years, it will gradually shift until it occurs when the earth is in the 8 o'clock position. And that will be the Dawning of the Age of Two. :) Now, here's the part I don't understand. Let's forget the clock analogy and move back into the real world. The vernal equinox this year occurred on March 20, right at the cusp of Pisces and Aries. That's nowhere near Aquarius, and won't be for another 2000 years or so (the earth precesses through the houses in the opposite order as it orbits through them). So, why do they say this is the Dawning of Aquarius? Beats me. Seems like the Dawning of the Age of Pisces to me. (Go Fishies!) But, what the hell do I know? I'm not into astrology. :) > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Palin and team, njc > > FactCheck.org is a GREAT unbiased resource and has much info in this > regard: Careful with that. I'm not so sure its unbiased. Remember, this was the same website that Dick Cheney was pimping 4 years ago in the VP debate. Peace, and all that, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: PS22 Sings Circle Game I love when they let the choir kids do their thing with certain Joni songs. The school children that do get to learn to sing and wonder and wander in songs like, 'The Circle Game,' 'Clouds (Both Sides Now),' and 'Big Yellow Taxi,' and other Joni songs, always come out enlightened kids with the song etched onto their souls.Seriously! To witness a group of children achieve this, from the first time you play the song for them, knowing you want them to give it their all, up to the day of their performance, you can see and feel an ongoing group transformation within each child, which is so sweet and absolutely awesome and I love it. The other night my son couldn't sleep, so he called me around 2:30 am to ask if he could visit with me if I was still awake and I told him, "Come, right on over, Buddy Little Pal O' Mine---I'm on night watch with Buffy (my mom's beloved toy poodle) first and ONLY litter getting ready to come out to wander and I have to be here for her." When he got here, he was emotional, having fully acknowledged his addictions and dealing with the raw reality of sobriety without being able to make idiotic rationalizations for the whole damn scene and mustering up all the courage it takes to acknowledge past mistakes in order to achieve sobriety and a sense of peace without guilt, pharmaceutical chemicals and alcohol fumes suffocating your every breath. Well, when he got here, we ended up starting the conversation about the times when he was just a baby and growing up, just him and me. The television station was on PBS and just on in the background. Yet, on several occasions, I had to stop that heavy pouring out of his soul he was expressing to me when this Catholic chick I had previously seen on Mother Angelica's station play her Irish Violin and she's fantastic and she was promoting her latest release through one of those pledge-drive shows for PBS which is just alright by me. At first, the interruptions upset him, as if I was not listening to him pour it all out for me to try to understand. It wasn't that---it's just that I love Irish music and the Celtic touches hush both him and I up. Again, conversation continued, until this pretty young Irish girl with a beautiful voice was introduced, came on stage and began to sing, 'Both Sides Now' so beautifully. He was so silent. Then, I looked over his way and he had these two GIGANTIC tears welling up in his eyes and they just exploded and he began to cry. I didn't know what to say. I asked, "Why are you crying like this?" He said,,, "Nen, Joni Mitchell, you, me. That's what I know. C'mon now, Nen, get real!" I could only say how pretty the girl was. He agreed only to say, "Not as beautiful as Joni Mitchell or his mother. She can never sing to me with the same emotion like when I was a baby. Just you and Joni can do that and I love your voice when it's just Norma Jean's and for me, no other than Joni does it for me, Nen." My heart was opened wider. I asked him, "Can Jeff Buckley compare?" He said, "Somewhat," then got upset how stupidly Jeff Buckley lost his life. It hit from all sides by then. Thanks, Joni, from this fan who lives in a lovely box of paints you helped create. Thanks to all here at the JMDL... A special hello to Bo!!! Sincerely, Jeannie - --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Bob Muller wrote: > > The audio & video quality of this is not the greatest, > but it made my heart feel good and brought the water to my > eyes: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSe5DejZNwQ > > Always nice to be reminded of the goodness in the world. > > Bob > > NP: Foo Fighters, "Aurora" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:20:43 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin Hi Laura, I'm still pretty new here and haven't posted much, mainly because I'm trying to get a better feel for the many people on the list (altho sometimes I'm just flooded with work and time gets away from me.) I hope you don't think me presumptuous if I simply ask you what you find "cool" and "refreshing" about Gov. Palin? (I understand your reference to Joe Biden, that he's not a new, fresh face.) I'm also curious if you watched Obama's speech last week at the Dem convention, and whether you think he offered any positive solutions or nothing but "criticism of other views and people who have them," as I distinctly heard Gov. Palin do. Respectfully, Terra On 9/4/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > > You wrote: > > I'm dying to know: who of you watched Sarah Palin's speech tonight? > Thoughts? > > Intrigued, but NOT voting for McCain/Palin, > > > Hi Lori, > > I did. My thoughts are she's cool, and I admire her regardless of her > party affiliation. I think it is too bad Obama didn't pick somebody > refreshing like her instead of Biden. > > I don't know who I'll vote for yet. I'd love to hear peaceful discussion > of the issues from the point of offering solutions rather than criticism of > other views and people who have them. This is what I'll be looking for in > the debates and from caring friends who know more than I do. > > Love, > Laura > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:57:53 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC Holy crap! An economist AND an astrologer?!?!? Would you do my taxes and my chart?? :-P Terra On 9/5/08, David Eoll wrote: > Lori wrote: " . . . My personal preferences are a flat income tax (where > > everyone pays the same share) or nixing the income tax altogether and > > raising the hell out of the sales tax (so taxes become "elective")." > > I just have to respond to this. The Flat Tax is often marketed as the Fair > Tax, and at first glance, it appears so. It seems simple. Everyone pays the > same rate, what could be fairer than that? But, not all income is the same. > Lets say the first $20k or so pays for basic survival: food, clothing, > shelter. The next $20k might pay for a car, a house payment, the next $20k > might pay for the kids college fund, the next $20k for retirement, etc. > Beyond that you start getting into luxury items. And as you go farther up > the income scale you're way, way beyond necessary survival, and even basic > betterment, and into serious toys. > > Should all of those $20k "bundles" be taxed the same? You might still say > yes, but I say no. And the rationale behind a progressive income tax > (progressive is a mathematical term here, tax rate increases as income > increases) is that the money that you're buying your food and shelter with > is not the same as the money you're buying your furs, boats and Bentleys > with. > > A sales tax is actually the opposite of a progressive tax, its regressive. > Because it hits lower income people harder than higher-income people. > Again, this is because not all expenditures are "elective" as you claim. > Furs and Bentleys are certainly elective, but are food and basic clothing > elective? Lower income people spend a much greater percentage of their > income than higher income people, for the simple reason that most of their > income is used for essential expenses, not elective ones. > > Very wealthy people can live lavish life styles while only spending a > fraction of their incomes. The rest they invest. So, they will end up > paying a MUCH, MUCH lower tax rate (as a percentage of income) under a > sales-tax-only system than a person living below the poverty level. Hardly > fair. > > Which is why the Uber-Wealthy love the idea of a Flat Tax, and they love > the idea of a National Sales Tax even more. > > >>I am curious to know her birthday. > >>I will have to look it up. > > > > > > It's February 11, 1964. Are we still in the Age of Aquarius? > > Astrological Ages are associated with the precession of the earth's axis. > The earth is wobbly, just like a top. And each wobble takes about 26,000 > years. What this means is that the seasons gradually change with respect to > the earth's position around the sun. Hmmm... that's not very clear. Let me > try it this way. Imagine that you're looking at the solar system from far, > far above the south pole. Visualize it like a clock, and the sun is at the > center. The earth is moving around the sun as if it were on the end of one > of the clock's hands. It takes one year for the earth to make its way > around all the numbers on the clock. Now, lets say that the summer solstice > occurs when the earth is at the 12 o'clock position, the autumn equinox > occurs at the 3 o'clock position, the winter solstice at 6, and the spring > equinox at 9. > > Also, it just occurs to me that we're in luck. There are 12 numbers on the > clock and there are 12 houses of the zodiac. Perfect. Now, when the earth > is at a given clock position, say 12, we would say that the sun is in the > House of Six, since from the point of view of earth (at 12) the sun would be > blocking our view of six. > > Now, astrological ages refer to which house the sun is in at the moment of > the vernal (spring) equinox, which we said occurs at 9 o'clock. From the > point of view of 9, the sun is blocking 3, so we are currently in the Age of > Three. > > Now (I'm almost done), because of the earth's wobble (precession), the > vernal equinox was not always, and will not always, be at 9 o'clock. Over > the course of about 2000 years, it will gradually shift until it occurs when > the earth is in the 8 o'clock position. And that will be the Dawning of the > Age of Two. :) > > Now, here's the part I don't understand. Let's forget the clock analogy > and move back into the real world. The vernal equinox this year occurred on > March 20, right at the cusp of Pisces and Aries. That's nowhere near > Aquarius, and won't be for another 2000 years or so (the earth precesses > through the houses in the opposite order as it orbits through them). So, > why do they say this is the Dawning of Aquarius? Beats me. Seems like the > Dawning of the Age of Pisces to me. (Go Fishies!) But, what the hell do I > know? I'm not into astrology. :) > . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:07:10 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin We need to coin a new word for them. "Hypocrite" no longer suffices--even if you put a "super" in front of it. They're like a virulent, deadly strain of bacteria that keeps mutating into ever stronger variations. Soon there will be no antidotes. And if I were a cat, I'd piss all over 'em. Terra On 9/4/08, Em wrote: > > Cuz they're HYPOCRITES, Bob! HYPOCRITES!!!!! > But then, we knew this. > They make me retch. > If were a cat I'd hack up a hairball. > grrrrrrrrrrr..... > Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:57:36 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin Everything you said, Mark. (And also, I really wanted to respond to your "rant" of last week about the hopelessness of things, but I just didn't have the time and energy to write a thoughtful comment. You articulated a lot of my thoughts and beliefs.) On 9/4/08, Mark Angelo wrote: > "distinctly shrill type of voice" That's a north-country accent. She likely felt right at home in Minnesota . . . (See also: northern Wisconsin, upper Michigan, anywhere in North Dakota . . . ) :-P > > "I believe now that what the Democrats have been wildly saying was a "gift" > that had been handed to them, may indeed be quite a formidable opponent. > She > comes across as confident, well-spoken (even if I don't agree with her > positions), and is telegenic." Naaaw. I'm as paranoid about the Rethugs' mighty spin & money machine and the Dems' propensities for blowing a sure thing as anybody, but once all hers scams and skeletons are fully exposed--even if it is by the Nat'l Enquirer--at least some of The Base are gonna turn away from the stench and stay home on election day. "but one false flag operation in the next 8 weeks in the form > of an October surprise will almost certainly have a majority of Americans > in > a vapid ill-informed rush to judgment to punish "them"." I agree that this possibility certainly exists--as does yet another round of vote-tampering, election fraud, et cetera. The Bu$h Crime Family is not going to go quietly. But I think these threats render Palin a mere footnote in the long run. I just hope she sticks around for the October debate: I'm planning a party for that! "I think her mix of nurturing "Lenscrafter Model"/Princess Caribou Beauty > Queen/Christian Hockey Mom combined with agressive NRA Gun-Toting > Hunter/Driller/Warmonger" You left out Book-Burning Religious Zealot. "Mrs. Palin, by offering up a son as sacrifice (in a shameless moment of > exploitation as Bob notes) televised to millions" Hey, why should her pregnant unwed teenage daughter get all the glory?? Terra NP: "Ohio" CSNY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:57:52 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin Perfect. ;-) I've hated that old bat for years. Terra On 9/3/08, Mark Angelo wrote: > > I didn't. "Why should I waste my beautiful mind on that?" > > -- > -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:40:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks The time is now to end the conversation with her, Marian. She is ignorant of the law and no amount of civility has helped. She plays the "I'm just a Mom trying to raise two kids" card and then tries to tell us copyright law. Yeah, right. Jerry > I am so tired of hearing from this person! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Hanrahan > To: Marian Russell > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:49 AM > Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks > > > Hi Marion, > I remember your conversation with the librarian. I agree that I may have had > no rights as far as copying the book, even though it is not copyrighted. I > never had any thought or intention of making copies of it, never. I've sold > many books on Ebay and probably every one has had a copyright, so copyright > laws aren't even an issue here. Once I own a book, I can sell it. > Your book was made with permission and given away as a gift. You basically > gave it away, so that, those copies were no longer yours. You may have rights > to the contents as with any book, but the book itself was no longer yours. > How from there 2 copies came to be in a second hand shop, I don't know, but > obviously someone gave it away, died, or whatever. > Ebay really has no restrictions on books as you can read on their policy as > far as what can be sold. If someone was selling illegally made books I > imagine that would be quite another thing. > Your complaint may have caused me a hassle, but I can't imagine that anything > would stick from it. With my good Ebay reputation, they would hardly have > banned me, just don't believe there would be any grounds. > True members of JMDL were upset about the listing, but that doesn't mean there > was a thing wrong with me listing it. I think members should have bid on it > if it was such an issue. > Anyway, I realize I did choose to take it off, and it's done now. I just > needed to say that I think the overall 'gangbusters' approach was hardly > called for. I think I could have been approached in a different way. > I may write to Ebay myself to see what they say. > Dr Laura had offered to buy the book if I would take it off, but she didn't > mention it after I did, so not sure what happened there. > Anyway, I'll wait and see who I hear from. > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marian Russell > To: Mary Hanrahan > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks > > > Hi Mary - > > I forwarded your message below to the list, so hopefully someone interested > will contact you. If you don't hear from anyone in the next few days, let me > know and I will make an effort to contact a couple of people who seemed > interested. > > That you removed this book from ebay is appreciated by a number of the > contributors who were upset about its appearance there. If you had not > removed it, I would, as I said before, have filed a formal complaint with ebay > against you on their behalf. Sometimes I can see their point and sometimes I > can't, and I certainly am not a lawyer, so I don't know with absolute > certainty the legalities, however I did respect the opinion of one of the > members who is a librarian and who is very knowledgeable about copyright law > and who adamantly stated that no one had the right to sell the book in ebay. > As the compiler, I felt an obligation to those in the JMDL who were upset > about the book being sold in ebay, but I thought it would be at least polite > to contact you personally before filing a formal complaint against you to see > if you would be willing to remove the book voluntarily. I didn't have to do > this - I could have just filed the complaint - and not having filed a formal > complaint, we cannot know what the consequences to either of us might have > been. Maybe ebay would have seen your point of view, but maybe they would > have seen the point of view of the upset JMDL members and the librarian. If > the latter, one possible consequence might have been that you could have lost > your rights to sell in ebay. I think we should both feel grateful that the > matter could be resolved without having to resort to a formal complaint. > > Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:43:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin Terra asked me: I hope > you don't think > me presumptuous if I simply ask you what you find > "cool" and "refreshing" > about Gov. Palin? (I understand your reference to Joe > Biden, that he's not a > new, fresh face.) Hi Terra, Some of the reasons I find Sarah Palin cool and refreshing are because of how she stood up to corruptness in her state and was a mayor, she is a governor, the clear - intelligent - witty way she expresses herself, she is a young woman, and she is from Alaska which is a state that fascinates me and makes me think of rugged and natural. She reminds me of our own Bill Clinton who was also an intelligent governor from similar rugged, natural state. I would have liked to have heard more about what she plans to do as VP, but I figure that will come in the debates. Terra also asked: > > I'm also curious if you watched Obama's speech last > week at the Dem > convention, and whether you think he offered any positive > solutions or > nothing but "criticism of other views and people who > have them," as I > distinctly heard Gov. Palin do. Yes, I watched Obama's speech at the DNC. I don't think he offered concrete solutions though he made known areas where we need solutions. He did criticize a lot which is understandable after a terrible in my opinion administration that has been in place for 8 years. Some of what he said regarding tapping natural gas resources and harnessing nuclear power and drilling left me wondering if he is any different from McCain and Palin. I am hoping the details of solutions proposed by both sides will come out in the debates. Right now, I don't see either sets of candidates as a good pick. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:59:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: hypocrites, palin, flat tax, astrological ages, factcheck.org, and definitely NJC Well, if you recall, he erroneously referenced factcheck.COM as opposed to .org, and George Soros IMMEDIATELY put up an anti-Cheney site at that address. I stand by my original statement - if you look at the site you'll see that their main thrust is de-bunking and fact-checking political ads. They skewer both parties and seem to stick to facts and also give all the sources for their information so if you want to drill down and fact-check the fact-checking you can do so. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: PS22 Sings Circle Game Bob wrote: The audio & video quality of this is not the greatest, but it made my heart feel good and brought the water to my eyes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSe5DejZNwQ Always nice to be reminded of the goodness in the world. Hi Bob, BEAUTIFUL!!! I appreciate you! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:13:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Sarah Palin NJC Kate wrote: On a lighter note, what a great SNL or otherwise opportunity- I swear I can hear the delighted peels of laughter from all the way over here as Tina Fey & Amy Pohler go to work on a script in which they get to portray Sarah & Cindy. Hi Kate, I was thinking the same thing when I was watching Sarah Palin!!! LOL Sarah Palin reminds me of Gilda Radner with some of her facial movements. I wish Gilda was around to play her! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Sarah Palin and team, now the earth njc Mark wrote: Humanity's paramount need for security - both by decimating the natural world he finds himself in for food and for raw materials - and in most of the world's poorest population (the largest percentage) by producing far more children than is requisite for simple reproduction. Hi Mark, So what makes humanity not part of the natural world in this sense? I was a biologist before I entered the medical profession, and all of the organisms we studied both in botany, zoology, and microbiology do just this... seek out a secure place where they can take as much from the environment as possible for food and populate uncontrollably unless kept in check by other organisms or weather. Look at what the geese have done and the results in the Tundra as an example. Plants in a garden are another easy example to see. The garden will become over grown by whatever plant can take the most space and nutrients. It is natural isn't it? I like to think of the American Indians (neither American nor Indian) as an example of accepting and not denying humanity is part of nature unlike the mindset of our culture (love the term! makes me think of what we grew in petri dishes!) that thinks and acts as if we are in a different realm from nature, a mindset that seems to come from egocentric christianity when it forgets about St. Francis and how the Jews related to the earth... 'remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.' It is amazing to me how the mindset that humanity is somehow outside of the realm of nature is engrained even in those who don't claim to be christian. I wonder what the population of the American Indian would be now if immigrants hadn't populated the USA instead? I wonder what "technological" advances they would have made? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess smoe rejected it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made the list, here is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time made it! Jerry http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > and she is from Alaska which is a state that > fascinates me and makes me think of rugged and natural. As a human being, this woman scares the crap out of me. As a Canadian, even more so. She is from Alaska AND now supposedly would represent the rest of the USA. That means Canada is surrounded by her. I heard her say that, as a mother of five children, she has learned to "multi-task." I have so many reasons why I absolutely do not trust anyone who claims to be a "multi-tasker," (when we're being negative, a person has ADD, but when we want to praise them, they're a multi-tasker.) It's one of those expressions (that and "detail-oriented") that make me have a hard time choosing between cringing, developing a facial tic or wanting to hurl. That comment, and that alone, would be enough to make me loathe the person. The rest of it would and should be comical if it hadn't been for the fact that I heard on CBC news this morning that polls showed that the presidential race could be very close. I wonder, how sick is that, and what is wrong with the USA? __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin Sorry Laura, for all these Palin issues you're grieving about--but these times, they truly are a'changin' and most are preparing for the well deserved changing of the guard. Palin, just ain't working for the RNP. My son tells me his old man and his wife were going for McCain, until this Palin elaborate plan exploded in front of their conservative faces and they just don't know what they're gonna do since voting for Barack is simply out of the question. Sincerely, Jeannie NP: Hallelujah--Jeff Buckley - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: Sarah Palin > To: "T Peckham" > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 7:43 AM > Terra asked me: > I hope > > you don't think > > me presumptuous if I simply ask you what you find > > "cool" and "refreshing" > > about Gov. Palin? (I understand your reference to Joe > > Biden, that he's not a > > new, fresh face.) > > > Hi Terra, > > Some of the reasons I find Sarah Palin cool and > refreshing are because of how she stood up to corruptness in > her state and was a mayor, she is a governor, the clear - > intelligent - witty way she expresses herself, she is a > young woman, and she is from Alaska which is a state that > fascinates me and makes me think of rugged and natural. She > reminds me of our own Bill Clinton who was also an > intelligent governor from similar rugged, natural state. I > would have liked to have heard more about what she plans to > do as VP, but I figure that will come in the debates. > > Terra also asked: > > > > I'm also curious if you watched Obama's > speech last > > week at the Dem > > convention, and whether you think he offered any > positive > > solutions or > > nothing but "criticism of other views and people > who > > have them," as I > > distinctly heard Gov. Palin do. > > Yes, I watched Obama's speech at the DNC. I > don't think he offered concrete solutions though he made > known areas where we need solutions. He did criticize a lot > which is understandable after a terrible in my opinion > administration that has been in place for 8 years. Some of > what he said regarding tapping natural gas resources and > harnessing nuclear power and drilling left me wondering if > he is any different from McCain and Palin. I am hoping the > details of solutions proposed by both sides will come out in > the debates. Right now, I don't see either sets of > candidates as a good pick. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:30:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin Jeannie, Tell them to vote for good old conservative Bob Barr on the Libertarian ticket. I'm hoping that every disenfranchised Republican who just can't bring themselves to vote for a black person will either do this, or of course stay home. Just like every vote for Nader was a vote for Bush, every vote for Barr is a vote for Obama. Bob NP: Prince, "Lion of Judah" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums Number 99, For the Roses. Jeannie wrote: > I can't find Joni's name on the list, Jerry. > > Truly, > Jeannie > > > > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> From: Jerry Notaro >> Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums >> To: "jon i" >> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 8:44 AM >> Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess >> smoe rejected >> it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made >> the list, here >> is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time >> made it! >> >> Jerry >> >> http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums I can't find Joni's name on the list, Jerry. Truly, Jeannie - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Jerry Notaro wrote: > From: Jerry Notaro > Subject: 100 Greatest, Gayest Albums > To: "jon i" > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 8:44 AM > Well I cut and pasted the whole list into a post but I guess > smoe rejected > it. I suspect discrimination. Anyways, since our lady made > the list, here > is the link. Funny how my favorite Joni album of all time > made it! > > Jerry > > http://www.out.com/detail.asp?id=24081 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 07:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Jeannie wrote: > Sorry Laura, for all these Palin issues you're grieving > about-- Hi Jeannie, What is your definition of "grieving?" Huh? ROFL You are making me laugh so hard if I was at a funeral, I'd get kicked out! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Catherine McKay wrote: > > As a human being, this woman scares the crap out of me. As > a Canadian, even more so. She is from Alaska AND now > supposedly would represent the rest of the USA. That means > Canada is surrounded by her. Oh my! Petrifying Palin's on every side! With hockey sticks and lipstick! Watch out so she doesn't puck you! > > I heard her say that, as a mother of five children, she has > learned to "multi-task." I have so many reasons > why I absolutely do not trust anyone who claims to be a > "multi-tasker," (when we're being negative, a > person has ADD, but when we want to praise them, they're > a multi-tasker.) It's one of those expressions (that and > "detail-oriented") that make me have a hard time > choosing between cringing, developing a facial tic or > wanting to hurl. Why choose? Just multi-task these reactions and become a cringing, facial ticking, hurler. Or maybe that would require being too detail-oriented. That comment, and that alone, would be > enough to make me loathe the person. I can hear you hissing Cat! The rest of it would > and should be comical if it hadn't been for the fact > that I heard on CBC news this morning that polls showed that > the presidential race could be very close. I wonder, how > sick is that, and what is wrong with the USA? Multi-tasking and being detail-oriented of course... not to mention trading the fiddle for the drum. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin "a cringing, facial ticking, hurler" LMAO! as opposed to a "godless tax-raiser". This calls for animation, I say! Em - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Laura Stanley wrote: Why choose? Just multi-task these reactions and become a cringing, facial ticking, hurler. Or maybe that would require being too detail-oriented. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks Aren't there some more creative ways we can find to further vilify and demonize this person? I don't think posting her PERSONAL email to the list is enough, Marion, do you? Maybe we could get her home address and phone number so we could continue to give her grief. Maybe burn a cross on her front lawn . . . Seriously, Marion and others, what do you want? This woman graciously removed the item from eBay after being told she could expect to be paid for it and she has received NOTHING for her consideration but paranoid rants and a sneaky violation of trust (posting a personal email for all the world to see) which is far worse than the original 'crime' of offering the JMDL cookbook for purchase, in my opinion. I have been a member of the JMDL since Bill Clinton was in office and I can truthfully say that I have never been ashamed of that association until now. There are many, many more important things in my life to worry about than some imagined bogeyman seeing a Joni Mitchell cookbook, for Christ's sake. But now that I see this poor woman being raked over the coals without even knowing that her personal email is being posted to 800+ people she doesn't know, I feel like someone has to come to her defense. Marion, if this issue is so important to you that you have wasted who-knows-how-many hours worrying about it and consulting people and corresponding with this person, why don't you get out your damned checkbook and buy it instead of putting it on this list over and over and over again, drawing others who don't give a fig into having to read about your crusade? The way I see it, you want to control what this woman does with the cookbook, but not to the point of paying for it . . . thus making it a non-issue. That doesn't sound too healthy to me. LET IT GO. I did not create this problem and did my best to stay out of it, but I cannot stand by and watch someone who has acted in good faith be treated so poorly by the JMDL gang. Really! How many eBay sellers do you think would have so kindly removed this book from their listings? So now I am willing to donate $5 towards the purchase of this damn thing just to get it out of my JMDL mail. Anyone want to join me? - ----- Original Message ---- From: Marian Russell To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:38:56 AM Subject: Fw: JM Cookbooks I am so tired of hearing from this person! Thank you, - --Bob Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:17:37 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I apologize for forwarding the emails to the list. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:11:23 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks I'm game. mack > > So now I am willing to donate $5 towards the > purchase of this damn thing just to get it out of my JMDL mail. Anyone > want to > join me? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:26:00 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: JM Cookbooks, njc ....email to the list is enough, Marion, do you? ... >> Hey, this cookbook compiler is Marian, not Marion. Marion is our friend from Sweden. Rion oops, Rian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:39:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin Huuhhh? Geez, Louise, lighten up, man, because HAPPINESS IS THE BEST FACELIFT! I just went out for the sun-shine and I feel alive and ready to get down to some Joni juke box dives in between my chores throughout the day. Would you like to join me? Truly Most ~Lovingly~ With No Pretty Lies To Sweep 'Ya Off Of Your Feet, Jeannie - --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: (NJC) Sarah Palin > To: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:58 AM > --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Jeannie > wrote: > > > > Sorry Laura, for all these Palin issues you're > grieving > > about-- > > > Hi Jeannie, > > What is your definition of "grieving?" Huh? > ROFL You are making me laugh so hard if I was at a funeral, > I'd get kicked out! > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #194 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------