From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #188 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 1 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 188 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- GARRET-PHOTO ["Henning Olsen" ] Re: UK Joni Fest 2008 ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: NJC. Ramadhan, now punishment in saudi [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] Re: coma song njc [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] NJC privacy concerns [missblux@googlemail.com] RE: UK Jonifest photos, njc [Laura Stanley ] RE: Coma song, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) [Laura Stanley <] Re: fasting, njc [Laura Stanley ] NJC nyuk nyuk [missblux@googlemail.com] Pegfest njc [Mags ] Re: Joni's lyrics and psychological aspects [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: UK Jonifest photos [Chris Marshall ] Subject: UK Jonifest photos [Sherelle Smith ] Re: Coma song, njc ["gene" ] Re: fasting, njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: NJC privacy concerns [Catherine McKay ] Re: winnipeg joni fest njc?? ["ron" ] Re: Pegfest njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Coma song, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Coma song, njc ["gene" ] Re: njc, Paz, take shelter from the storm! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: UK Jonifest photos [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: UK Jonifest photos [Catherine McKay ] my late and incomplete but very grateful (and very long) Jonifest report [Lieve Reckers ] Ending August with the Digest Family in my heart..from Bo [Peep Richman <] Re: Strathmore [bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:01:39 +0200 From: "Henning Olsen" Subject: GARRET-PHOTO Hi Garret! Thanks for the great photos. What a camera and what a discreet brilliant man behind it. For those who were not at Holycombe these pictures say more than a thousand words. Holycombe might want to use some of them to trible their visits. And for us who were there: many fine portraits. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdermgl/ Henning ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:34:32 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: UK Joni Fest 2008 Bene wrote: "So the post-fest blues are for real it seems. I can report that I don't have them, on the contrary." Bene I have been experiencing what I am going to call a post-fest feel good, which is unlike my last two Fest experiences when I felt the post fest blues. I don't quite know how, but I felt so deliciously full on the Joni Fest experience, that it seems to have stayed with me. I know you mentioned early in the week that you were feeling very warm to people where you work. It's been a bit like that for me, too. Everyone looks stardusty and golden to my eyes. It's rather wonderful. Bob, you described Dave and Robin's "prodigious level of talent" and Mike and several others have mentioned Christina and Henning introducing so much pre 1968 unreleased Joni at the Fest With Christina's voice sounding so close to the young Joni, I found it quite extraordinary. Yesterday, Steph and I harvested our crop of potatoes and onions, although that made me very happy, I think part of the incredibly good feeling I have maintained has been because I never though I would hear so much of Joni's material performed so brilliantly again in my life time. I know I often bang on here about how long the music of Joni Mitchell has been an important part of my life, so to hear so much of Joni's music over several decades being played live again with such variety, skill and depth has simply made me very, very happy! To go through so many eras of Joni's music so beautifully over just three days has been truly wonderful. I will never, ever forget this wonderful coming together. Alongside this, I think what Patrick describes as "Hanging so closely with so many complete musicians without any sense of separation" is a neatly observed summary of so much of this Fest. I felt able to hang out and talk with everyone. Maybe that's an advantage of a small group, or maybe it was just an inclusive bunch of folk blessed to have the 'binding agent' of Dave Blackburn. As I read more and more Joni Fest reports from people, I appreciate Dave more and more. I knew he did a lot (teaching me Hejira for one, as well as him and Barry blowing along on my set, thanks again if you ever read this), but all the things he also did prior to leaving the States I knew nothing about. I must also publicly thank Chris Marshall for the pa and all the engineering. Hard job doing all that. Oddmund, in your latest email you talk about unexpectedly hearing 'Blue' in Oslo this week as you passed your favourite jazz store. I have been involved in many discussions here on JMDL about Joni's music and synchronicity - a Joni tune coming at a certain time which has re-connected me to a place or to people. It seems like it gave you an instant hotline to the UK Joni Fest experience! I have found those kinds of experiences often come when I need them to and I know many others have Joni synchronicity stories to tell. I don't think this is mad, magical thinking. It's just what happens sometimes and I think it's great. When I have those experiences, I feel connected again. I think that's part of what I mean as a "deeper sharing" and I am so glad you like that phrase so much, Patrick. This has been a deeply shared Joni Fest on all kinds of levels for me. I am so pleased I am carrying it with me still into my everyday life. Thank you so much to everyone who made it so special and take a bow once more Lulu and John. My beloved King (aka The Rock)Muller wrote: "What amazes me, and crosses my mind at Jonifest a lot, is that this one Canadian singer-songwriter has brought about the most amazing of gatherings. I'm sure that she has no idea, really. I mean, she knows ABOUT them I'm sure, but she does not know the POWER of them." Bob, she may not, but we sure do!! Love and Hugs Anita _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 647 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:44:55 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NJC. Ramadhan, now punishment in saudi Mark wrote: It was Ramadan, late in the afternoon and without thinking I was drinking a Pepsi openly on the streets. Having blond hair that was close to being white because of the incessant summertime sun (120+ almost every day) I naturally stood out as it was, and the act of drinking publicly during Ramadan did not go unnoticed. The Shiite's (ultra-conservative) wanted to arrest me, I don't know maybe cut off an arm or something probably, >> You're lucky. They could have stoned you! Kidding. No. Since you're not a muslim, i think they're just going to warn you. Stoning to death is given to married men/women who commit adultery. Unmarried adulterer(s) get whipped and then sent to faraway place. And there's no such thing as cutting someone's arm. But cutting someone's hand exists. That punishment is given to robbers. Capital punishment exists. The methode? I'm not telling you. Yup. Saudi gives extra harsh punishment... Be thankful you live in western world! (or should i say : too bad you don't live there.?) Rian PS. 2 months from now my mum and dad are going to go to Arabia to do the pilgrimage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:00:24 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: coma song njc In my case, I believe it must be Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby. LOL. NP. Ice Ice Baby. (IMO, Vanilla Ice (and MC Hammer) are "badder" than "baddest" 80's pop music act) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:23:12 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC privacy concerns Hi Kate, I do realize that what is being said here can end up in the public space in a number of ways, although I tend to forget at times when I get carried away by something that interests me. I think that people generally refrain from writing about colleagues, friends and family precisely because there are things you talk about in a forum like this one, and things you talk about in a smaller circle where there is more confidentiality. This would not change if the posts were no longer searchable. Still, there is a difference, comparable to locking your front door. If someone WANTS to get in they will, but most people will realize that they are not supposed to. Anyway, I think I have said enough about this, and the discussion sometimes becomes a little unpleasant, I am sorry if anyone thinks so. Love Bene Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:13:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Privacy concerns, NJC I'm not opposing the idea that some people want the discussions to be available only to list members. I must add two thoughts to consider, however. 1) do you even know who all the list members are? there are many (hundreds? thousands?) who read but never write here 2) anything you write in an email can be forwarded to anyone else without you knowing or without your permission (although that is not considered ethical) inside or outside the members of this list Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:10:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: UK Jonifest photos, njc Garret posted: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdermgl/ Thanks Garret! Very nice photos! Wish I could have been there! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: Coma song, njc The question was posed: What song or songs do you think would bring you out of a coma? Led Zeppelin's "Black Dog" cranked way up for the start of the HEY HEY Momma's. Love, Laura (are we there yet?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) Some of what Vince wrote: "I've been too ..... to put myself in the company of the great people of the JMDL." Hi Vince, You are who you are today not who you were in this morbid reflection of yourself. I hope you will let go of remorse and keep giving to the list. What we are as a list is the sum total of all of our individual members, and that includes you. We are like individual songs on the JMDL album, and just like Joni songs, we are about so many things... good and bad but always to be sung beautifully. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: fasting, njc Rian and Catherine wrote: > PSS. Fasting is a great way to watch weight. Maybe you can > try. Mmmm... Catherine? :o) Hey! You callin' me fat? >> I didn't say that. Rian Yo, I think what Rian was actually saying was for us all to try to watch our weight by fasting on Catherine. I can see how we can loose pounds reading her posts because we'll choke if we try to eat and read them at the same time... something to do with dry humor and the food not going down. Right Rian? Who needs Jenny Craig when you've got Catherine? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:10:53 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC nyuk nyuk >>Bene, I'm proud to be "The Rock" - it makes me want to be a little bolder (get it, a little boulder, nyuk nyuk nyuk). Or a rolling stone...? Bn NPIMH: Canned laughter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Pegfest njc okay, suggest the time of year. What would work out best for those who need to travel . Im trying to be sensitive to the cost of air fare at certain times of the year, that said, I know it's always high. Just got the news that Zoom airlines have folded, which is a drag because they flew directly from Heathrow to Winnipeg, as amazing as that sounds, tis true ;-) Obviously, the winter months are not a possibility, for I wouldnt wish that experience on anyone. So, please have a little think and let me know what might work to faciliate your trip to here. Mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni's lyrics and psychological aspects Hmm, interesting topic. Off the top of my head, how about various lyrics from Chelsea Morning? For instance, auditory, "And the first thing that I heard Was a song outside my window...etc etc" And visual, "And the first thing that I saw Was the sun through yellow curtains and a...etc etc" - -Monika Does anyone have any thoughts about describing the lyrics of Joni's songs in this way? Are their other aspects (e.g., sense of taste) that appear in her lyrics? Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:59:21 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: Bob and John in Amsterdam (njc) Hi Joni amigoes/amigas! Wanted to stop by and say what a great picture this is of my two dear friends! I am sorry I was not able to go to this Jonifest but happy to see that it was a good one!!! Paz, I have you and your family in my thoughts today as I watch the weather. Please take care of yourselves. Any other Joni friends in that region, please be safe and get out of harms way as well!!! Will be thinking of you!!! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: I know this guy. He gave me a wonderful tour of Amsterdam and an amazing lunch and of course such great company. Paz Michael Pazmichael@thepazgroup.com Tour ManagerPreservation Hall Jazz Bandhttp://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 29, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Bob Muller wrote: I made it back LATE last night after 24 straight hours of travel, I have a long weekend ahead and LOTS of reporting to do, so stay tuned for that. First I have to go to the airport and file a claim for my bag which didn't make it from Chicago... In the meantime, here is a lovely picture of me and my Dutch brother John van Tiel who showed me an amazing time in the land of the dykes - more (much more) about that & Jonifest later today. Here we are in Amsterdam, having just finished a couple beverages and a walking tour of Amsterdam, waiting on a railcar: https://www.yousendit.com/download/Q01FT0NjR3M5bEEwTVE9PQ Bob, the beamingly happy guy in the orange shirt who is not afraid of keeping his privacy because putting my heart out to you all has paid back more than I ever could have imagined. (That being said I do respect the wishes of those who want to retain their privacy). NP: Iris Koch, "Marcie" _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to belearn how to burn a DVD with Windows.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:05:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC privacy concerns Bene, I understand. I don't disagree with anyone points who have asked for the archives to be removed from searchable engines. I'd contribute funds to that end if it were possible. My points were to add to, not in opposition to those points. I guess I am surprised that people are surprised that what they've posted here is available to the public. I don't think moving the archives would result in me posting any differently here. In the end, people have such different levels of comfort about posting to these kinds of lists. It is similar to people having comfort or not with public speaking or performing music. I liked what Bob said awhile back about how he has gained more by sharing his views & opinions on this list rather than have had something taken away. BTW I remember going through a big fear emotion after I released my debut CD. Those songs were from deep deep inside & I had revealed the most vulnerable & private things in my songs. It was very nervous knowing that my colleagues & complete strangers would know more about me than I knew about them. So I do very much understand reservations about sharing. Truthfully, I can only think of one negative experience I experienced as a result of releasing a CD & that negative might have come forward anyway. There have been thousands upon thousands perhaps millions of amazing magical positive ones experiences as a result. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:06:33 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: UK Jonifest photos On 30 Aug 2008, at 22:28, Garret wrote: > Does this count as JC? If not apologies to anyone who doesn't want to > know about this. > > I have uploaded some seriosly edited (and in some cases cropped) > pictures of the UK JOnifest to my flickr account. Chris has been > planning to host them over on his site as usual. I'll transfer them > over there too, but for the moment here they are: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdermgl/ Following up on this, my photos are now up online at http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/ukjonifest2008/ Mine aren't quite as good as Garret's: I made the boneheaded decision to leave my SLR camera at home and use a compact nasty instead. Stupid, I know. Hey ho... - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:19:39 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: Subject: UK Jonifest photos Dear Garret, Thanks so much for sharing these photos! They are wonderful!!!! The location is absolutely gorgeous!!! I can tell that it was a very special time! Nice to see familar (and unfamilar) faces there! Joni's music binds us all! Sherelle Garret wrote: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:14:46 +0100From: Garret Subject: UK Jonifest photos Does this count as JC? If not apologies to anyone who doesn't want toknow about this. I have uploaded some seriosly edited (and in some cases cropped)pictures of the UK JOnifest to my flickr account. Chris has beenplanning to host them over on his site as usual. I'll transfer themover there too, but for the moment here they are: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdermgl/ Just click on the set at the side and you'll get them all together inone place.GARRET _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:30:10 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Coma song, njc Bella Fleck's "Big Country Live"----I may be still in a coma but I'll but dancing. gene - ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: fasting, njc - --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Laura Stanley wrote: >> PSS. Fasting is a great way to watch weight. Maybe you > can > > try. Mmmm... Catherine? :o) > > Hey! You callin' me fat? > > > >> > I didn't say that. > > Rian > > > Yo, > > I think what Rian was actually saying was for us all to > try to watch our weight by fasting on Catherine. I can see > how we can loose pounds reading her posts because we'll > choke if we try to eat and read them at the same time... > something to do with dry humor and the food not going down. > Right Rian? Who needs Jenny Craig when you've got > Catherine? > Great! I can start charging you with Jenny Craig does (OK, 10% less) and will make a lot of money and quit this crazy scene and then I can go to every Jonifest ever, anywhere. P.S. I AM fat. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC privacy concerns - --- On Sun, 8/31/08, Kate Bennett wrote: >I don't disagree with anyone points > who have asked for > the archives to be removed from searchable engines. > I'd contribute funds to > that end if it were possible. > Does anyone have any idea what it would cost to write a script/program to make the archives unsearchable by search engines? I don't imagine it would cost a fortune and there are probably people on the list who could do this, if they had the time and the energy. I'm willing to contribute to get this done and I'm sure others would be as well. I don't expect it would cost a fortune. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:44:21 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: winnipeg joni fest njc?? hi mags would definitely be interested - put me on yourr list too ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mags" To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:51 AM Subject: winnipeg joni fest njc?? > hey, i am inspired by queen lulu and sir john, and wonder if anyone would > be > interested in a canadian prairie joni fest? i mentioned it before, but > really, > i think it would be great fun. i know it's a lot of air fare and such, but > i > will start looking around for a good performance space. in fact, i do know > of > one, and will ask the artistic director. he's a good mate of mine and i'm > sure > it would be a go. so many details lalalla i know, but tell me, first off, > if > anyone would be interested??? it's beautiful here. and you can even see > joni's clouds and maybe some aurora borealis to boot. > > love love > > mags > > > > i exist as i am, that is enough > ~walt whitman~ > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for > the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Pegfest njc mid-August? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Coma song, njc Hey Gene...Bela & the Flecktones will be including a cover of "River" on their next release, a Christmas album called "Jingle All The Way". Bob NP: Petula Clark, "For Free" - ----- Original Message ---- From: gene To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:30:10 PM Subject: Re: Coma song, njc Bella Fleck's "Big Country Live"----I may be still in a coma but I'll but dancing. gene - ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:25:00 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Coma song, njc FKNA!! If Joni ever needs a great bass player again, Victor Wooten is the MAN. He's no Jaco, but Jaco is no Victor either. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "gene" ; Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Coma song, njc > Hey Gene...Bela & the Flecktones will be including a cover of "River" on > their next release, a Christmas album called "Jingle All The Way". > > Bob > > NP: Petula Clark, "For Free" > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: gene > To: joni@smoe.org > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:30:10 PM > Subject: Re: Coma song, njc > > Bella Fleck's "Big Country Live"----I may be still in a coma but I'll but > dancing. gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > !DSPAM:144,48bb06b8144711058944960! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:37:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Paz, take shelter from the storm! I second that Patti! Mikey, I know you're nowhere near a computer right now, but my thoughts and prayers are out to you and your family. You were smart during Katrina, and I'm sure you're on your way out of N.O. I've been watching the weather channel, and it looks like Morgan City is the hit, but N.O. will get a lot of flooding. We've been feeling the effects of Gustav since last night here in Ft. Myers. We still have flooding in our area from Fay last week. So You and Freda and the boys stay safe. Love, Jimmy ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:43:06 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: UK Jonifest photos Great pics Garret!!! You must be a professional photographer. I love all of them, espcecially the black & white ones. Such a beautiful place, and everyone looked like they were having such a great time. I hope once they are on Chris' hatstand site, someone will put the names under the photos. I recognize about half the people from previous fests, but it would be nice to put some names with the faces. Jimmy in rainy FL ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: UK Jonifest photos Re: Garret's pictures at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdermgl/ and Chris's pictures at: http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/ukjonifest2008/ Great pictures, both of you! It's good to see some of your old familiar faces and also to know what some of you I've never met look like. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:26:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: my late and incomplete but very grateful (and very long) Jonifest report Finally, here is my fest report.B Sorry about the delay, but this is genuinely the first minute that I find free since I said goodbye to all the other festers last Sunday evening (exactly a week ago, almost to the hour, I realise!),B sneaking off early for a long ride into the night, regretting that I would miss the lastB night and morning of the fest, but oh so happy that I had made it, so grateful to have spent those 3 days in the company of 22 wonderful, talented people, in this unique atmosphere that is Jonifest. B I've attended fests at the Full Moon and in France before, and in some way they all merge with this one at Hollycombe, so make THE Jonifest, which is hard to describe to someone who hasn't been there.B Or maybe I should say: "to someone who does not know the JMDL", because I think the same magic is also on the list, or at least it is there for those who manage to tune into it, who become "real" members. (No, I am not referring to my speech to Lucy and John, I am not talking about a cult or an inner circle, just about the spirit of the JMDL which manifests itself at Jonifests.B Oops, this almost sounds religious again, I apologise!) B I know, I have to get on with my fest report, but maybe this diversion is appropriate as some sort of re-introduction, after having lurked for several years.B Bob Muller, maybe this time I can get the welcome message from you that I never got when I first posted in 2001? I hope to be getting a bit more free time for posting soon, and if so then I will tell you how I got to the JMDL all those years ago, but now I had better continue with my review of the wonderful fest at Hollycombe in the English Cotswolds. B I drove up from London (Greenwich) to the Cotswolds on Thursday evening together with Donna from Texas, who had been my house guestB that week.B I had just bought a satellite navigation gadget thingy, and Donna is a keenB map reader, so we arrived safe and well in good time, in spite of some traffic holdups on the way.B Any doubts whether we'd arrived at the right house were dispelled when Bob Muller rushed out and gave us the firstB Jonifest hug - many more would follow, of course.B Next there was Lucy, welcoming and totally organised, showing us around. B This is a good moment, and notB a minute too soon, to mention with enormous appreciation and gratitudeB Lucy's wonderful organisation of the event.B It's been said by all the others, but Hollycombe really is an ideal venue for this size of group, and the food provided by Lucy and John really was fantastic.B Not only were there the beautifully cooked dishes (Italian, Greek and Thai, both with meat andB a vegetarian version) and John's sublime baklava (why can't it be that good in a Greek restaurant???) but also there was just such a nice, easy supply of food lying around all the time: fruit, cake, bread, cheese,B boiled eggs, etc...I'm not surprised that in the end Lucy concluded that next time she would go for caterers, but what really surprises me is that she and John were not going loopy hysterical from day one, as I would have been!B I think we all had the best intentions to help and give a hand, and we tried and did what we could, but it's inevitable: the person in chargeB takes a lot of stress on his/her plate!B Lucy and John, I hope you know we are all grateful.B Going on a "present hunt" around the CotswoldB townsB with Bene and Donna was a joy, because we wereB so fired up (and backed by all the others) to find something that would be really special for you, to express how we felt. B I haven't mentioned the music yet.B Others are much better at that, although music is very very important in my life, and the music aspect was so predominant at this fest.B But I don't have adequate words for it.B So I will leave it at some personal impressions.B Robin and Dave, Barry (Cahill)B and Delene were a treat for sore ears.B My goodness, talk of professional!B Delene had such a warm rich voice, Barry's voice was used so professionally, really like a musical instrument, and his flute playing added another beautiful layer to their sound.B Dave is a very talented musician, and then Robin, my goodness Robin, she is just wonderful!B When she sings her face is all lit up, she glows and looks like a young girl, - yes like Joni, as others have mentioned.B Her singing is to die for, and I particularly liked the more jazzy numbers. B I also really enjoyed hearing Henning and Christina again.B They are first class musicians, and I feel we are very lucky, privileged, to get to hear their recording of Joni's previously unrecorded numbers.B Hail, again, to JMDL! B I must say that I enjoyed, truthfully, every contributor: Anita, Donna, Bob (especially his riotous Dylan "How Does It Feel"B singalong), Laurent, Oddmund...B As I said from the outset, I'm not so good at describing them all, but I know they all got to me, gave me aB lump in the throat or made me feel warm and happy.B B On the Friday night, I thought the atmosphere was really special, or maybe that's just how I experienced it.B People have described what it's like when Les Ross plays, and oh my, yes that was it: this very quiet sound that ties you up and makes you hold your breath, so that you could hear a pin drop.B Well in a way that's how I felt for most of that Friday night, also through other people's acts.B Was it something in the air, or was it me? B What was definitely "me", and I regret it, is that I was so tired when I got to the fest, that each dayI could not stop myself from falling asleep earlier than I wanted, andB so I missed much of the music after midnight.B In particular, IB regret having missed too much of Jeff Hankins' music, but whatB I heard was very moving.B He's a great person who knows every single line of Joni's lyrics and a great deal more, and I hope we will hear and see a lot more of him. B My falling asleep also made me miss out on the Beatles singalong, because I went for an afternoon nap.B Such a pity, because I would have loved to have sung along.B But at the same time, it gave me a wonderful experience, because I heard these divine harmonics through my open bedroom window, and together with the rustling of the tree leaves, it was the most soothing sound to drift in and out of sleepB to.B I felt like I was in heaven.B It is probably the most special moment and memory of them all! B And I should also quickly mention our book swap.B We were only 6: Jeff, Donna, Mike, Oddmund, BobB and I.B I really enjoyed hearing everybody's explanations of why they had brought their particular book.B There was a lot of laughter, and we all ended up with a book that we're really looking forward to read.B I just regret that we did not write a short note in the book we handed out.B In my case, I would have loved to have had Garrett's inscription. B Lastly, there were all the good conversations I should mention.B Garret, Oddmund, Bene, Adriano and Licia, Steph and Anita, I hope you remember our chats with the same fondness that I do.B Robin, ourwalk through the fields was really special.B We had so much to talk about, so much ease to understand each other. B Chris, we ran a bit out of time to talk,B but many many thanks for all the work with the sound system, and for recording on MP3B the Belgian music that I brought for people to access, as I have already mentioned in another message.B I hope some people will take up the offer and enjoy it!B Chris, I have just played yourB selection of favourites that you handed out at the fest, and enjoyed it a lot.B It was a special joy to unexpectedly hear Jack Nielsen again.B (What a talent, and what a sad loss...) B Anybody still there?B I have almost written myself to sleep again! Can I just mention one more thing?B Being called a Joni look-alike always comes as a surprise to me, but it is one of my guilty pleasures at Jonifest, and this time it happened again.B But really, I am even more happy to give thatB accolade to Robin now,B especially as she is such a great musician as well. B My conclusion from this Jonifest is: friendship and musicB can makeB lifeB so good.B B Thank you to all 22 of you, for the friendship and music, and a very specialB thanks again to Lucy and John for making it happen and spoiling us so much! Lieve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:26:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Lieve Reckers Subject: my late and incomplete but very grateful (and very long) Jonifest report Finally, here is my fest report.B Sorry about the delay, but this is genuinely the first minute that I find free since I said goodbye to all the other festers last Sunday evening (exactly a week ago, almost to the hour, I realise!),B sneaking off early for a long ride into the night, regretting that I would miss the lastB night and morning of the fest, but oh so happy that I had made it, so grateful to have spent those 3 days in the company of 22 wonderful, talented people, in this unique atmosphere that is Jonifest. B I've attended fests at the Full Moon and in France before, and in some way they all merge with this one at Hollycombe, so make THE Jonifest, which is hard to describe to someone who hasn't been there.B Or maybe I should say: "to someone who does not know the JMDL", because I think the same magic is also on the list, or at least it is there for those who manage to tune into it, who become "real" members. (No, I am not referring to my speech to Lucy and John, I am not talking about a cult or an inner circle, just about the spirit of the JMDL which manifests itself at Jonifests.B Oops, this almost sounds religious again, I apologise!) B I know, I have to get on with my fest report, but maybe this diversion is appropriate as some sort of re-introduction, after having lurked for several years.B Bob Muller, maybe this time I can get the welcome message from you that I never got when I first posted in 2001? I hope to be getting a bit more free time for posting soon, and if so then I will tell you how I got to the JMDL all those years ago, but now I had better continue with my review of the wonderful fest at Hollycombe in the English Cotswolds. B I drove up from London (Greenwich) to the Cotswolds on Thursday evening together with Donna from Texas, who had been my house guestB that week.B I had just bought a satellite navigation gadget thingy, and Donna is a keenB map reader, so we arrived safe and well in good time, in spite of some traffic holdups on the way.B Any doubts whether we'd arrived at the right house were dispelled when Bob Muller rushed out and gave us the firstB Jonifest hug - many more would follow, of course.B Next there was Lucy, welcoming and totally organised, showing us around. B This is a good moment, and notB a minute too soon, to mention with enormous appreciation and gratitudeB Lucy's wonderful organisation of the event.B It's been said by all the others, but Hollycombe really is an ideal venue for this size of group, and the food provided by Lucy and John really was fantastic.B Not only were there the beautifully cooked dishes (Italian, Greek and Thai, both with meat andB a vegetarian version) and John's sublime baklava (why can't it be that good in a Greek restaurant???) but also there was just such a nice, easy supply of food lying around all the time: fruit, cake, bread, cheese,B boiled eggs, etc...I'm not surprised that in the end Lucy concluded that next time she would go for caterers, but what really surprises me is that she and John were not going loopy hysterical from day one, as I would have been!B I think we all had the best intentions to help and give a hand, and we tried and did what we could, but it's inevitable: the person in chargeB takes a lot of stress on his/her plate!B Lucy and John, I hope you know we are all grateful.B Going on a "present hunt" around the CotswoldB townsB with Bene and Donna was a joy, because we wereB so fired up (and backed by all the others) to find something that would be really special for you, to express how we felt. B I haven't mentioned the music yet.B Others are much better at that, although music is very very important in my life, and the music aspect was so predominant at this fest.B But I don't have adequate words for it.B So I will leave it at some personal impressions.B Robin and Dave, Barry (Cahill)B and Delene were a treat for sore ears.B My goodness, talk of professional!B Delene had such a warm rich voice, Barry's voice was used so professionally, really like a musical instrument, and his flute playing added another beautiful layer to their sound.B Dave is a very talented musician, and then Robin, my goodness Robin, she is just wonderful!B When she sings her face is all lit up, she glows and looks like a young girl, - yes like Joni, as others have mentioned.B Her singing is to die for, and I particularly liked the more jazzy numbers. B I also really enjoyed hearing Henning and Christina again.B They are first class musicians, and I feel we are very lucky, privileged, to get to hear their recording of Joni's previously unrecorded numbers.B Hail, again, to JMDL! B I must say that I enjoyed, truthfully, every contributor: Anita, Donna, Bob (especially his riotous Dylan "How Does It Feel"B singalong), Laurent, Oddmund...B As I said from the outset, I'm not so good at describing them all, but I know they all got to me, gave me aB lump in the throat or made me feel warm and happy.B B On the Friday night, I thought the atmosphere was really special, or maybe that's just how I experienced it.B People have described what it's like when Les Ross plays, and oh my, yes that was it: this very quiet sound that ties you up and makes you hold your breath, so that you could hear a pin drop.B Well in a way that's how I felt for most of that Friday night, also through other people's acts.B Was it something in the air, or was it me? B What was definitely "me", and I regret it, is that I was so tired when I got to the fest, that each dayI could not stop myself from falling asleep earlier than I wanted, andB so I missed much of the music after midnight.B In particular, IB regret having missed too much of Jeff Hankins' music, but whatB I heard was very moving.B He's a great person who knows every single line of Joni's lyrics and a great deal more, and I hope we will hear and see a lot more of him. B My falling asleep also made me miss out on the Beatles singalong, because I went for an afternoon nap.B Such a pity, because I would have loved to have sung along.B But at the same time, it gave me a wonderful experience, because I heard these divine harmonics through my open bedroom window, and together with the rustling of the tree leaves, it was the most soothing sound to drift in and out of sleepB to.B I felt like I was in heaven.B It is probably the most special moment and memory of them all! B And I should also quickly mention our book swap.B We were only 6: Jeff, Donna, Mike, Oddmund, BobB and I.B I really enjoyed hearing everybody's explanations of why they had brought their particular book.B There was a lot of laughter, and we all ended up with a book that we're really looking forward to read.B I just regret that we did not write a short note in the book we handed out.B In my case, I would have loved to have had Garrett's inscription. B Lastly, there were all the good conversations I should mention.B Garret, Oddmund, Bene, Adriano and Licia, Steph and Anita, I hope you remember our chats with the same fondness that I do.B Robin, ourwalk through the fields was really special.B We had so much to talk about, so much ease to understand each other. B Chris, we ran a bit out of time to talk,B but many many thanks for all the work with the sound system, and for recording on MP3B the Belgian music that I brought for people to access, as I have already mentioned in another message.B I hope some people will take up the offer and enjoy it!B Chris, I have just played yourB selection of favourites that you handed out at the fest, and enjoyed it a lot.B It was a special joy to unexpectedly hear Jack Nielsen again.B (What a talent, and what a sad loss...) B Anybody still there?B I have almost written myself to sleep again! Can I just mention one more thing?B Being called a Joni look-alike always comes as a surprise to me, but it is one of my guilty pleasures at Jonifest, and this time it happened again.B But really, I am even more happy to give thatB accolade to Robin now,B especially as she is such a great musician as well. B My conclusion from this Jonifest is: friendship and musicB can makeB lifeB so good.B B Thank you to all 22 of you, for the friendship and music, and a very specialB thanks again to Lucy and John for making it happen and spoiling us so much! Lieve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:53:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: important breaking news! NJC Les Irvin you are far too modest. http://www.inews3.com/content.php?id=4c65737c497276696e ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Ending August with the Digest Family in my heart..from Bo I'm thinking...last day of August...hhhhmmmm...what's really important to me and how can I say a proper farewell to a beloved month? Well, write to very special people...some of you know who you are...and others will hear from me off-list as we begin a spectacular September!!! Have a sitting with Joni...my way of describing my process of 'being' with her. Having "Shine" really is a blessing this August....gives us all the chance to feel closer to Joni and how she is...where she is...emotionally, intellectually...in many ways that she chose to share with us through "Shine". Love my Poodle Pack...we have a guest this week...Maggie...my niece's...or maybe now "mine"...snow white, very small Toy...very loving and loves to be loved. Other things...I have always had these enjoyable rituals...sort of... free from any OCD stuff...hhhhmmmm...I guess...who cares? Each ending of a month and beginning of a new month I read from the words of His Holiness, the Dali Lama. I read many of his words, study his facial features...I feel a sense of renewal...a sense of hope. I choose a bunch of books I will probably read beginning the first day of the new month....September 1ST this year begins with "More Reflections On The Meaning of Life"...David Friend and the Editors of LIFE...and I'll re-read from the pages of Bill Moyers "The Language Of Life"...And I read, in it's entirety, "Joni Mitchell, The Complete Poems and Lyrics"...what pops up at me as particularly significant makes the transition from reading to writing what becomes the list of Joni music I'll listen to during the first day of the month. I reflect...really get connected to my feelings about the people who are in my life...and there are so many of you, members of our special JMDL family, who I'm really thinking about...and so many of you who have no clue about this...how could you? I think about the constants in my life. My love of Joni, all that she shares with us....the JMDL (since 2004, I think...not sure). I write...just a stream of consciousness sort of writing...about what influence Joni has enriched me with during the past month...acknowledging all the myriad of thoughts I have in response to her lyrics, her music, particular things that I have learned about Joni. And I have much weaker experiences with other beloved artists. I love to think about how I feel about Joni now, at age 58, compared to how I recall feeling about her at other ages, usually marked by particular circumstances...In response to the last Digest I read....many, many so sincere thanks to Les and all the people who make the JMDL an option for each of us to have... to enrich our personal lives...to discover kindred spirits and delight in the discovery of new friendships and those friendships that continue. Sadly, this last day of August and as September begins, I'm thinking, mostly praying about this horrible disastrous visit from Mother Nature...and my thoughts immediately go to Paz and his family and friends. I think, all the time, about how I can be a better daughter, sister, aunt, friend, therapist...and, what a hoot...a better "patient"!! LOL!!! I'm thinking about the issues that have been discussed about privacy and the endless possible ramifications of the Internet. I would never have thought about this had it not been for you who have shared thoughts, fears, and realities. My thinking...for me...is 'let it be'...I am who I am...an evolving process...I write what I feel/think..ah, interesting order there...and I've never (my mother tells me that she became aware of this by the time I was about 2 yrs. old) cared about what other people think about me and how I behave...and this always makes me laugh because I can't understand why anyone would be thinking about me...you know, not the dear and special people...our individual masses of folks. Thanks to dear Rian, and to what Mark shared with us, this is a completely new thinking about Ramadan for me. And Patti...oh Patti!!!! Your son being 30 years old on the 30TH!!!...love it! From your sentences, I would guess that old adage, "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" applies. Patti, sometimes I think you should have your own web site...you're so pure in all of the many corners of our lives...from deep sadness, to hilarious fun, to such sensitivity!!!....now I'm thinking...oh man!!! What if this hurts anyone on the list...that I haven't shared my particular private thoughts translated into a behavior...like a web site... and I know now that in September I'll be re-reading Yalom's "When Nietzsche Wept"...an extraordinary novel written by an extraordinary psychiatrist.....and I wonder what Yalom would think of how I jumped from 'web site...and I know"...interesting, I guess. I'm rambling....here's a pleasing ending.... A quote from His Holiness, the Dalai Lama: "Some people when we talk about compassion and love, think it is a religious matter. Compassion is the universal religion." And, this posting carries with it very special thoughts and wishes for so many Jonilistas!!! Bo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:46:36 -0400 From: bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Strathmore Ronnie Newmyer wrote, in part: "We included fully fleshed out arrangements of songs like Car on A Hill, Down To You, Coyote, Woodstock, Ladies of the Canyon (Annie Lennox version) The Magdalene Laundries and 27 more." The arrangements were all excellent, and those mentioned above were particularly good. "The show is put together over the course of 2 long rehearsals held a few days before the show at a mass gathering resembling a party more than a band practice- its a lot of fun and somehow we manage to get the work done." It is hard to believe that such a good job of putting a show together could be done in such a short timeframe, even given all of the advance preparation that must have been done by the performers. Bravo. "We had the show recorded and filmed and if anyone is interested will keep you posted on any news about that." I would love to have a copy of the show, if that ever comes to fruition. I assure the other listers who did not see the show that they want a copy of it, too. Bobsart PS - sounds like the fest was a spiritual experience, as usual. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #188 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------