From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 31 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 187 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- If you are ever in a coma njc ["Kate Bennett" ] re: njc when did you join the JMDL and how did you find it? ["Kate Bennet] Privacy concerns, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] UK Jonifest photos [Garret ] Re: Privacy concerns, NJC [Chris Marshall ] RE: njc, Paz, take shelter from the storm! [Patti Parlette ] Re: Jonifest Report: Best.Fest.Ever Part 1 NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: coma song njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: winnipeg jonifest, njc?? [Mags ] Stay safe, dry and warm (NJC) [] Jonifest 2008, Part final [Bob Muller ] RE: Privacy concerns (NJC) [] Blue revisitied ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: njc when did you join the JMDL and how did you find it? [Bob Muller <] RE: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) ["Les Irvin" ] Re: njc when did you join the JMDL and how did you find it? [Vince ] Re: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) [Catherine McKay] njc, the years spin by, and now the boy is thirty! [Patti Parlette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:58:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: If you are ever in a coma njc Great story, I have a friend who was in a coma & was brought back in a similar (though not musical) way. Similar in that it was about what she loved that tied her to this world that brought her back. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:02:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re: njc when did you join the JMDL and how did you find it? Okay, I'm behind on digests so probably someone has already made this joke but mags, you get the prize for being the oldest jmdl member. Kate >I dont remember the year that I found Joni Mitchell dot com. I do remember reading with great interest, all the bits and pieces of information about Joni, concerts, well, every little thing was magic for this reader. I often thought about joining the discussion list, but didnt. Not until April of 200.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:13:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Privacy concerns, NJC I'm not opposing the idea that some people want the discussions to be available only to list members. I must add two thoughts to consider, however. 1) do you even know who all the list members are? there are many (hundreds? thousands?) who read but never write here 2) anything you write in an email can be forwarded to anyone else without you knowing or without your permission (although that is not considered ethical) inside or outside the members of this list Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:14:46 +0100 From: Garret Subject: UK Jonifest photos Does this count as JC? If not apologies to anyone who doesn't want to know about this. I have uploaded some seriosly edited (and in some cases cropped) pictures of the UK JOnifest to my flickr account. Chris has been planning to host them over on his site as usual. I'll transfer them over there too, but for the moment here they are: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdermgl/ Just click on the set at the side and you'll get them all together in one place. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:06:30 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Privacy concerns, NJC On 30 Aug 2008, at 20:44, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Wie Chris Marshall so vortrefflich formulierte: >> As has already been pointed out, meta tags or robots.txt files only >> have any effect if the search engine chooses to honour the tags. >> That's not something you can control. > > No, I can't. But as Google bots DO respond to the tags, it works. Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that Google didn't honour tags. The point I was aiming for was wider, in that one can't guarantee that there isn't a search engine somewhere that's not honouring them. > This - in my opinion - simply is not correct. > You can have pages removed from the Google index. > > http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35301 Again, I'm not "simply" thinking of google alone here: I'm thinking of MSN, Yahoo, Altavitsa, the various aggregators and the huge pile of local language search engines that hoover up web content these days. That seems to be a big job, unless there's some aggregate search delisting service somewhere that'll try to do it for you. At the end of the day, I guess the overarching point I didn't make is this: if it wasn't password protected in the first place, you can pretty much expect it to be archived *somewhere*. So the approach of getting things removed from google and stopping search engines from indexing the smoe archives is really just a band aid. Password protection - or wholesale removal of the archive facility - is the next step IMHO, if there's serious concern about future joni list archives being available outside the list membership. Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:26:07 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: njc, Paz, take shelter from the storm! Holy merde, Paz! "I scare myself, just thinking about you" (old Dan Hicks song npimh). I'm so sorry about the timing of your friend's wedding. Poor girl! What a mess. But don't let the ceremony of the veils and lace veil this reckless fool here. Play it cool, play it cool, fifty fifty fire and ice. At least go see the guy at the gas pumps tonight so you will be ready to roll. Last I heard it's supposed to hit New Orleans at 2 p.m. Monday. Keep smiling, keep *shining* Knowing you can always count on us, for sure That's what friends are for In good times, in bad times We'll be on your side forever more Oh, that's what friends are for. Bon courage! xo, pp ***** Thanks dear Patti. I can't believe we are facing another monster. It is already a Cat 5. At the moment we are trying to keep the faith and hope it turns. We have wedding to go to tonight for one of our dear friends and she of course is a mess with the city in the midst of an evacuation and 400 pp coming to the wedding. Many friends from Honduras so we will have a house full tonight as most of their hotels have been evacuated and the Mayor has ordered that tourists begin the evac process. Hopefully they will be able to get out from the airport tomorrow am. We plan to wait till early monday before we hit the road. By the time maybe something will change. Plan A is to go to my friends in Meridian, Ms. I will drop a line before we go. I wish everyone well and thanks for the calls and emails as always I feel so loved here. The outpouring of support 3 years ago this week brings tears to my eyes. Have a great Labor Day weekend all. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:28:57 +0100 From: Garret Subject: UK Jonifest photos Does this count as JC? If not apologies to anyone who doesn't want to know about this. I have uploaded some seriosly edited (and in some cases cropped) pictures of the UK JOnifest to my flickr account. Chris has been planning to host them over on his site as usual. I'll transfer them over there too, but for the moment here they are: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcdermgl/ Just click on the set at the side and you'll get them all together in one place. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jonifest Report: Best.Fest.Ever Part 1 NJC I probably could do all right on the straightaways, but that first roundabout would end in a fiery crash (and there's a roundabout every half-mile or so). Bob NP: The Raconteurs, "You Don't Understand Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:36:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: coma song njc Anything with a killer guitar riff intro..."Long Train Running", "China Grove", "Start Me Up" (lol, that one would be pretty inspired), "You Really Got Me", "Back In Black", etc. Upon hearing the riff, my previously lifeless body would have to jump up, grab the closest thing resembling a microphone and start beltin' it out. And if I don't, you know that I'm not in a coma but rather have assumed room temp. Bob NP: Greg Laswell, "How The Day Sounds" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:03:53 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: coma song njc From: "M C" > What song or songs do you think would bring you out of > a coma? I Want To Hold Your Hand or California or Silky Veils or Hejira would work equally well, I think. On the other hand, there are other things that I dislike so much that I might wake up just to shut it off. Like Yeah Yeah Yeahs or some out of tune reggae. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: winnipeg jonifest, njc?? that's fantastic, Michael, and you know, Jay is still talking about you and the boys with great affection ;-) hope this works, hope you, Laura, Bob, Monika, and Catherine can all make it. I understand the financial stress, as this is the reason why I did not attend the UK Fest (well, for the most part anyway ;-) ... Ive got your names on a "yes, Im interested list, and will keep you posted. Anyone else, do get in touch. Id rather not camp either, Cat, so that's fine. besides the Fest, if anyone wanted to spend a few more days here, there's so much to do in the Peg. We are small but packed with lots of great theatre, fringe and otherwise, music, so much music that you cannot possibly see everything. Im connected in a lot of musical circles so I can be a wonderful guide to those interested. thanks all, for your responses. i know it's early, but time has a way of whipping round the bend of winter and before you know it, we will be laughing it all away ;-) love, Mags i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ - --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Michael Paz wrote: From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: winnipeg jonifest, njc?? To: "Mags" Cc: sillyseabird@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org Received: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 4:25 PM Love Winnipeg and the idea of a PegFest. I would love to go if I am available. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Aug 30, 2008, at 8:31 AM, Mags wrote: as I just wrote to mister muller off list, Im thinking early summer. I am concerned about the monstrous mozzies, so be forewarned, they do like to bite sweet people ;-) Im on it, plans in the works. Do write me and tell me if you are interested, Im making a "people who are interested list" and then I'll get back in touch. I imagine it would be a number around the same as UK Fest. Seems to be a good and manageable number. Im thinking PegFest would be a great name. Mags=Margaret=Peg=Winnipeg hehe Im pretty excited about this and am glad that Muller and Laura are interested too. Im stoked to show you my Canadian Prairie home, and you will know why I love it so much. Paz can attest to that because he and his home boys were here. And Lucy has been here and and ;-) i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ - --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Laura Stanley wrote: From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: winnepeg jonifest, njc?? To: margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca Cc: joni@smoe.org Received: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 8:34 AM Hi Mags, I think it would be great! What time of year? I'm definitely intersted. Love, Laura __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:40:41 -0500 From: Subject: Stay safe, dry and warm (NJC) Michael Paz wrote: "Thanks dear Patti. I can't believe we are facing another monster. It is already a Cat 5. At the moment we are trying to keep the faith and hope it turns. We have wedding to go to tonight for one of our dear friends and she of course is a mess with the city in the midst of an evacuation and 400 pp coming to the wedding. Many friends from Honduras so we will have a house full tonight as most of their hotels have been evacuated and the Mayor has ordered that tourists begin the evac process. Hopefully they will be able to get out from the airport tomorrow am. We plan to wait till early monday before we hit the road. By the time maybe something will change. Plan A is to go to my friends in Meridian, Ms. I will drop a line before we go. I wish everyone well and thanks for the calls and emails as always I feel so loved here. The outpouring of support 3 years ago this week brings tears to my eyes. Have a great Labor Day weekend all." Oh, Paz. . .I, too, can't believe that you, New Orleans, and the surrounding areas may be going through this all over again! I've been thinking about you and your family almost non-stop over the past day or two. Stay safe, and please keep us posted, as you are able. Take good care, Love, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Jonifest 2008, Part final Much has already been said about the amazing people and music that happened at Holycombe, but it's always interesting how certain things stand out. Musically, any talk of music at this year's fest has to start with Dave - I was fortunate enough to have seen Robin, Dave & band in San Diego doing their Joni show so I was already fully well aware of the prodigious level of talent they possessed, what I didn't know was the versatility and depth of Dave's knowledge. Every night featured a Dave & Robin set, always containing some wow moments, like Borderline, A Chair In The Sky (!), Blue, Dog Eat Dog, Cherokee Louise, a long list actually but these really jumped out at me as I haven't heard them often. And the NJC was just as inspired - so cool to hear some classic SOUL music..."Just My Imagination", "Betcha By Golly Wow", "What's Goin' On"...excellent stuff. Chris was also indispensable working the technical bits, and luckily also got to come up and play some. Chris, hats off to you for your excellent work and support. And yes, you should grab the mike more too - I remember your vocals back at Frenchfest. It has to be said that the space we performed in was very intimate (perhaps you've seen Garret's excellent pics by now) and perfectly suited our group. And it wasn't unusual that people in the 'audience' would chime in with percussion, vocals, etc. It was a very participatory event as opposed to a concert per se. Early unreleased Joni also got a LOT of exposure with Henning & Christina performing a set every night from their SUPERB latest CD (and shame on you if you don't have it), and Jeff turning in some others as well (Melody In Your Name, Jeremy) and hearing Jeff & Christina do Pirate of Penance was WAY cool - and I'm not even particularly fond of the song, but they really brought it to life. Henning's guitar is always spot on and Christina's crystalline voice is beyond pretty, so pure and effortless. Which brings us to Jeff, he of the perpetual smile, a teddybear of a guy with a songwriting skill that is incredible. "The Vow" turned the room into a puddle of sobbing goo, and his song about Superman was equally poignant and touching ("Lois Lane & Lana Lang, my alliterative loves, I dream of you on alternate nights"), and he even performed on dulcimer, setting a Shakespeare sonnet to music and it was spellbinding. Jeff, one of the highlights of fests for me is meeting new folks, especially folks like you that I've known forever. Don't be a stranger and keep writing! Big props also have to go to Barry & Delene - Barry added so much with his woodwind additions (flute/sax) and also pitched in keyboards, guitars, falsetto vocals - and sometimes all within the same song! His catalogue of musical memories is vast, and that allowed for lots of spontaneous jams. They also have a CD out and played several originals from it - one of their songs is called "Different Shades of Brown" and he introduced it by saying that all of us are just different shades of brown, and that no one is truly white, to which we all yelled out "Garret"! A pretty funny moment. Big big thanks also to Laurent, who really got a fever to play once he realized that someone else was responsible for the fest - I enjoyed doing "Love The One You're With" and "Like A Rolling Stone" with Laurent and getting the crowd into it. I guess I'm more of a rocer at heart so it was a lot of fun to turn those in with Laurent as well as "Raised on Robbery" with Dave, Anita & co. I also dug getting to bang on the Djembe drum (I think that's what it was anyway). Other favorite moments - Adriano's heartfelt take on Jericho, and Licia's entire set. Very moving. Oddmund's controlled insanity on Coyote and All I Want. Of course, Anita's "I Think I Understand" is a fest must for me. Patrick turned in a great set - Patrick you should have asked me to toss in some backing vocals on Buckinham/Nick's "Crystal", of course I did anyway from my seat in the crowd. Les Ross - as always, stunning. I sometimes forget how it was the first time I heard his hushed and powerful style, so I got a reminder this year when I watched the newbies react to his set. Lucy's playing and singing is as natural as her storytelling ("It's Joni F*cking Mitchell!!") and I always really dig it as I was never exposed to the whole Fairport Convention/British folk thing. Donna, thanks for your musical moments - I'm glad you found your earring and I'm sorry I wasn't better company on the way back to Heathrow on Monday - the policeman sure got our attention though, didn't he..."It's obvious that you don't know where you're going..." LOL, yes the 4 of us certainly looked like a gang of terrorists didn't we? Speaking of which - grazie grazie to Adriano for carting my worn out self to London on Monday. The reasonable number of attendees this year ensured that everyone had lots of time to hang with everyone. Mike, Lieve, Bene - I enjoyed all our times together. Bene, I'm proud to be "The Rock" - it makes me want to be a little bolder (get it, a little boulder, nyuk nyuk nyuk). Being able to put faces and personalities with posts always puts a nice dimension on things for me. So that's enough outta me - I had an indescribably good time, although I did my best to describe it. Lucy...mwah mwah kisses from me and thanks again for an unforgettable time. The Jonifest magic was in surplus supply this time 'round, and I can't wait to see everyone again. Bob NP: Graham Blvd, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:45:51 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Privacy concerns (NJC) Moni (and a few others) wrote: "No, I can't. But as Google bots DO respond to the tags, it works. http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/topic.py?topic=8459 > Remember also that anything in the past is not going to disappear as a > result of something that may or may not get done now: only future > traffic is affected. This - in my opinion - simply is not correct. You can have pages removed from the Google index. http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35301" OK. How does one actually DO these things? And who does them: individual members, or the list/archive owner? I must admit that I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about, or how to implement these protections. If you've already discussed the mechanics, or if the URLs you supplied answer all those questions, just direct me to a thread, or back to the URLs. Thanks much, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:57:24 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Blue revisitied I had the strangest experience tonight that brought me back in this exctatic Joni Fest mood. I was talking with my father on the phone when I coincidentally passed my favorite Jazz store in Oslo. Than just as I was hanging up, I heard Joni's voice over the loudspeaker "We don't need a piece of paper from the city hall..." They played "Blue" I couldn't believe it. I've passed this shop loads of time, and they have never ever played Blue. They played Herbie Hancock's River,but that's Jazz, and the Shop is called Only Jazz, so this was a sweet surpirse. I was drawn into the shop, since I didn't had to run to the bus, as I usually has to, all who have met me now can surely vividly imagine this, and I was just amazed of the beauty of the songs. "Little Green" and the very powerful "Blue" And my memories was all back to the JoniFest Dave and Robin coming out of the Blue, first night, introducing it as "something we have never done before" I think they joked about it, that they were going to do Hejira in spanish or something, and than they just came up with the most beautiful version of Blue I ever heard. It all came back to me, tonight in Oslo. I feel so blessed to have been a part of it all. My eyes become all teary just writing this. Tells me something about on how deep levels music touches. My voice in - Patrick in what Anita said. A deeper sharing And thanks for your wonderful report, very nice to meet you Mr.JoniFest, and so glad Dave Blackburn helped you fulfill your dream, what you yourself did on that stage, was a great inspiration for me doing the same. So thanks a lot ! I f any of you ask very kindly, Mr Bob Muller may help you to get a listen to Sweet 16 vol.4 What a great collection. Yesterday, coming home from work quite wrecked after some busy days at work, and not really had time to absorbe all the memories from this fantastic fest. Listening to this CD was just perfect and Just In Time, and of course I gave "All I want" two listens, trying hard to forget about me . . . Oh, well this is just a deep thank you to all of you to maken it happen and to enrich me with such blessed memories All coming back to me, and as strong as ever, today, passing my favorite jazzshop playing Blue ... Here is a song for you ! Bless and sweet lovin your way ! Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:54:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc when did you join the JMDL and how did you find it? As those who attended Pazfest remember, "Joni Mitchell" was ONE of my first searches...he he he...I signed up for AOL in January of '98 and up until then didn't really have anyone who could talk Joni with me so I guess it was an arrested development sort of thing. Anyway, the search of JM turned up Wally's site of course, and the "discussion list" link jumped out at me - OMG, a method of discussion Joni on the internet? Brilliant. I signed up (under my very first address rmurocks@aol.com, and then after a bit picked up a second one to better control the jonimail. I was on digest for a couple weeks but quickly discovered that the list method was not only easier to manage but allowed me to be in the moment much better. Bob NP: Richie Havens, "The Great Mandala (The Wheel Of Life)" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:26:59 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) From: Moni Kellermann .It would also be possible to move the complete archive to the jmdl.com .website in a way that you can access all the old messages ... .after you log in to jmdl.com. So any member of the jmdl.com would be .able to read but not non-member visitors to the website. This is exactly the way it is now with one small exception. The search index is hosted on the JMDL, but the data is hosted by Smoe. This is because of the space and bandwidth restraints (read: lack of money) of the JMDL site. The index itself takes up over a hundred megs of space. To host the actual data (every digest) would require a couple hundred more megs of disk space and all the associated bandwidth therein. So, the archives only exist now thanks to me being able to use Smoe's disk space and bandwidth. If Smoe takes them off-line for the time being at least (and/or until more funds are secured) the private, searchable archives on jmdl.com come down as well. I've asked Jeff at Smoe to put a meta tag on the archives telling the search engines to scram (no word yet whether he can/will). Let's wait a few weeks to see if the archives get purged from Google and other search engines. If not, we'll take it from there. Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:25:28 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni Live At The Sydney Opera House Hi folks. As promised, I have packaged a rare Joni recording for your listening pleasure. It's been 25 years since Joni toured Australia. It was her one and only tour here. This is a recording of her Sydney concert at the Sydney Opera House on the 22nd of March, 1983. The recording is from the radio broadcast by Sydney radio station, 2Day FM. There are some voiceovers by DJs and it was recorded from someone's radio but, generally, the recording is quite good. I have designed some artwork for the CD which is in the Disc 1 folder. I hope you enjoy it. You can get disc 1 here https://rcpt.yousendit.com/ 601806323/6747f730b7923bdb4b6a49a4ca62279a and disc 2 here https://rcpt.yousendit.com/ 601860609/11e22402f0eefdde3267dcac8d4a5f57 Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Stay safe, dry and warm (NJC) - --- On Sat, 8/30/08, blckcrow@chorus.net wrote: > Oh, Paz. . .I, too, can't believe that you, New > Orleans, and the surrounding areas may be going through > this all over again! I've been thinking about you and > your family almost non-stop over the past day or two. > > Stay safe, and please keep us posted, as you are able. > Too sad and tragic. Paz, all my prayers, good thoughts, positive vibrations going out to you and your family, friends and kin and the strangers down the street that this thing blows away from land and out to sea and that no one is hurt. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:41:35 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) Thank you Les You have been, from the day you started this, a hero to many of us There is nothing like the jmdl anywhere and some of it is because of the great people in the community (which does not include me) but the great people are here because you, Les, cared and worked so hard and made it all possible in ways that actually made the only real community on the internet. Thank you Les for you reply to Moni and thank you Les for everything. Loving you - Vince On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > From: Moni Kellermann > .It would also be possible to move the complete archive to the jmdl.com > .website in a way that you can access all the old messages ... > .after you log in to jmdl.com. So any member of the jmdl.com would be > .able to read but not non-member visitors to the website. > > This is exactly the way it is now with one small exception. The search > index is hosted on the JMDL, but the data is hosted by Smoe. This is > because of the space and bandwidth restraints (read: lack of money) of the > JMDL site. The index itself takes up over a hundred megs of space. To > host > the actual data (every digest) would require a couple hundred more megs of > disk space and all the associated bandwidth therein. > > So, the archives only exist now thanks to me being able to use Smoe's disk > space and bandwidth. If Smoe takes them off-line for the time being at > least (and/or until more funds are secured) the private, searchable > archives > on jmdl.com come down as well. > > I've asked Jeff at Smoe to put a meta tag on the archives telling the > search > engines to scram (no word yet whether he can/will). Let's wait a few weeks > to see if the archives get purged from Google and other search engines. If > not, we'll take it from there. > > Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:42:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Blue revisitied Thanks for that, Oddmund (which I found out means "sharp tongue"). I actually have (3) of these left, and I am happy to send them to good homes. All you have to do is make a donation to Les at: http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm Bob NP: REM, "Hollow Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:45:08 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: njc when did you join the JMDL and how did you find it? Monika, come one, you are surely here for the better and your presence amongst us is a blessing to all Vince On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > and now here I am today, for better or for worse. > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:57:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) - --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Vince wrote: > There is nothing like the jmdl anywhere and some of it is > because of the > great people in the community (which does not include me) Hello? Of course, it includes you. When you go away, you are missed. When you come back, you are welcomed back. You're a Joni friend, the unofficial chaplain of the list and a great deal more. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:12:00 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) Catherine, Thanks but I did not post that as a device to solicit nice words for myself. Les is our hero. There are a lot of great people here! I am just a person who has blessed to be amongst the company of such great people. I've been too mouthy, too obnoxious, too self opinionated and too everything, burned too many bridges and flamed, crashed, and burned too many time to put myself in the company of the great people of the JMDL. But I really do appreciate that through all the ups and downs of my life that for a decade you all have always been here, been here for me for I asked for presence, and been here just as a place of refuge and security in the storm. Just always nice that this has been a place to touch base in - I've never been away, I've lurked for long periods of time too aware of my limitations to want to be visibly present, but I have always been here because of the greatness of the JMDL community; what is like it? and it is precious. Vince On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Vince wrote: > > > > There is nothing like the jmdl anywhere and some of it is > > because of the > > great people in the community (which does not include me) > > Hello? Of course, it includes you. When you go away, you are missed. When > you come back, you are welcomed back. You're a Joni friend, the unofficial > chaplain of the list and a great deal more. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:01:45 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: NJC. Ramadhan Tomorrow is the first day of Ramadhan. Ramadhan is a month in Islamic month where muslims fast each morning. Fasting, according to the Koran, begins each morning when "the white thread can be distinguished from the black thread of dawn." It continues until sunset. In INA, it means from 4 AM to 6 PM (approximately). Fasting consists of abstinence not only from food and drink but also from smoking, inappropriate behavior, and sexual relations. Well, I'm a muslim, and tomorrow I'll start fasting. It's necessary for muslims to start the holy month in the purest condition. So, before I enter Ramadhan, I'd like to apologize for every mistake I've made. I apologize if any of my posts here caused uncomfortableness in your heart. Thank you. Rian PS. Ramadhan is pronounced Rho-ma-dhon. PSS. Fasting is a great way to watch weight. Maybe you can try. Mmmm... Catherine? :o) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC. Ramadhan - --- On Sat, 8/30/08, do9eatdo9@yahoo.com wrote: > PSS. Fasting is a great way to watch weight. Maybe you can > try. Mmmm... Catherine? :o) Hey! You callin' me fat? __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Privacy concerns, NJC (boring technical explanation) - --- On Sat, 8/30/08, Vince wrote: > Catherine, > > Thanks but I did not post that as a device to solicit nice > words for > myself. Les is our hero. There are a lot of great people > here! I am just > a person who has blessed to be amongst the company of such > great people. > I've been too mouthy, too obnoxious, too self > opinionated and too > everything, burned too many bridges and flamed, crashed, > and burned too many > time to put myself in the company of the great people of > the JMDL. True, Les is the best. But take your props where you can, dude. Consider it grace! Heh-heh. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:21:14 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, the years spin by, and now the boy is thirty! Bon samedi soir! With all the wonderful fest reports coming in, I was hesitant all day about adding to the volume on the list, but I just have to share something on this 30th day of August, 2008, before we turn the page to a new day. Some of you may remember the story about my son's wedding last year, and how he chose "Circle Game" for our mother and groom dance. And now today, in the calendars of our lives, as the years spin by, the boy turns thirty. It's what is sometimes called the "Golden Birthday": he turns 30 on the 30th. So this is special. Thirty years ago tonight, I was in Manchester Hospital (Ashara's old home town), holding this beautiful baby in my arms. (Hello, Alison E. in SLC! You are probably too busy to ever read this, but I am thinking of you and Amelia right now.) I had no idea what was in store for me! As Leonard Cohen said (I paraphrase) you lose a bit of yourself when you have children. They become the center of your life. You do everything for them. I even forgot about Joni for a long time, amid all those damn (wonderful, really!) hockey games (Hello, DL!) and you know, there may be more diversions. All of the hope and hopelessness I've witnessed thirty years! Actually, it was 99.9% hope, and only .01% hopelessness. This kid's a gem, but he was a challenge. Never a dull moment. He weighed in at 8.0 pounds even, which was perfect. I was a big Eight to the Bar fan in those days (a CT band that is still going strong...more on them some other time...they used to play one Joni song and I have to find that cover for you, BM! It was Raised on Robbery) and all my friends were saying that "when Patti's baby is born, he's going to come out singing "Beat me daddy, eight to the bar!" I became good friends with one of the singers in that group. She was one of three sisters who formed the band, and a friend of --quelle coincidence -- notre Smurf! (xo, Smurfy!) She was very kind to me, and told me once: "Patti, you are going to do something great one day." I often wondered what that might be. And now I know. I raised two wonderful sons. And that's all I need. Tonight he is in The Land of the Tolls with his loving wife and my son MfM and his girlfriend. So, this mother's heart is very content tonight. I just wanted to share that with you beautiful people. Love is a story told. Love & Peace to you all, Patti P., with tears and no fears and feeling proud P.S. Here is a picture of my first born son, that special one, for anyone interested: http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher_P_Schaff/612826736 P.P.S. Et encore un autre coincidence.... that friend Emily who shows up on his profile page? She's the one who helped me and Julius plan the Citigroup Cafe meet-up at Carnegie Hall back in February 2006 "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:33:55 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: NJC. Ramadhan > PSS. Fasting is a great way to watch weight. Maybe you can > try. Mmmm... Catherine? :o) Hey! You callin' me fat? >> I didn't say that. Rian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:35:31 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: NJC. Ramadhan Rian I think maybe you have caused uncomfortableness in Catherine's heart already...j/k. I remember when I was in college and at home in Saudi Arabia an event that happened while I was visiting Filipino friends in the Eastern coastal city of Al-Khobar. It was Ramadan, late in the afternoon and without thinking I was drinking a Pepsi openly on the streets. Having blond hair that was close to being white because of the incessant summertime sun (120+ almost every day) I naturally stood out as it was, and the act of drinking publicly during Ramadan did not go unnoticed. The Shiite's (ultra-conservative) wanted to arrest me, I don't know maybe cut off an arm or something probably, but somehow I manuevered my way (with assistance of some Sunnis likely) out of the dilemma. A lot of people think that Saudi is mainly Sunni, but it has a heavy concentration of Shiite population along the Eastern Province, which is also where all of Saudi's oil happens to be. In fact, the whole "arc of oil" in the Middle East (Saudi, Iraq, Iran) also just happens to correspond to where the greatest population of Shiites also reside in yet another ironic twist of fate. - -- - -Mark in Florida On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:33 AM, wrote: > > PSS. Fasting is a great way to watch weight. Maybe you can > > try. Mmmm... Catherine? :o) > > Hey! You callin' me fat? > > > >> > I didn't say that. > > Rian > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #187 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------