From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #177 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 25 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 177 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc, Habemus Obamam et Bidenum [Jeannie ] Re: women - now, hillary campaign, njc [David Eoll ] Re: women - now, hillary campaign, njc [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:06:37 -0500 From: Jeannie Subject: Re: njc, Habemus Obamam et Bidenum You're a beacon of hope and light, Patti. Billions of thanks from me for your constant brilliance on the JMDL. Gran besos con rete-fuerte abrazos, repletos con rezos para ti, Patti, y tambien para Joe Biden y obviamente para Barack Obama, al empezar de este dia tan hermoso,The rain clouds have finally dissipated as I look over the horizon. You just keeping on strutting them their gracious truckin' juke box dives of yours---they're out of sight there! Jeannie PS: I feel I soon shall be hearing lovely soprano "Amens" in the silence from the upstairs choir > > . > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Patti Parlette wrote about some of her insight because she's got the fight! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:54:35 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: women - now, hillary campaign, njc Moni Kellermann wrote: >> But more likely than not, he'll pick a white guy, to play it safe. >> And probably a conservative one, at that. Hopefully, I'm wrong. > > > I wish you were. Joe Biden, yikes! > So much for hope and change... > > Wishing you a good morning from Germany > moni k. Yeah, you can't get any further "inside the Beltway" than Joe Biden. He's been in the Senate for 36 years. I'm impressed that you know who he is over there in Germany. I'd wager that most Americans have never heard of him. Obama probably picked him because he chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which he's sat on for decades, and Obama's hoping it'll soothe voters' concerns about his own lack of foreign policy experience. (Why not Bill Richardson for that, Barack? Oh yeah, that's right, you needed a white guy.) I personally do not like Biden for several reasons. So this choice will make it even harder for me to vote for Obama in the Fall. I still will vote for him because McCain scares the hell out of me. The next president will probably appoint 3 Supreme Court Justices. And who knows how many other lower court justices. Never mind that bellicosity on steroids thing McCain's got going on. I don't want McCain's finger anywhere near that button. Rob Argento wrote: > If I was Hillary I would stay OUT of the VP position. > If she took the position and Obama won, then she would not have > another chance at the presidency until 2016 The point I was trying to make. > Remember, Obama might not win this time! If he looses then Hillary > can and will make a move in 2012. You're right, she may have one more shot if McCain wins this one. And, I'm hoping her strong race this year will encourage other women to run in the coming years. It is time. I'm still amazed that she didn't win. A year ago she was the presumptive, even prohibitive, favorite. If y'all Hillary supporters are looking for someone to blame, don't blame Obama. I've got your man right here: Mark Penn. If I were a Hillary supporter, especially if I had contributed money to her campaign, I'd be spitting mad right now. And I'd want Mark Penn's head on a stake in my front yard. The guy pulled down an EIGHT FIGURE SALARY (from your campaign contributions) in exchange for which he blew a 20 point lead for a candidate with a household name, the biggest name in Democratic politics, and lost to a guy nobody had heard of until a couple years ago. The guy was so clueless he actually thought that California had a winner-take-all primary. (Memo to Mark Penn: California hasn't had a winner-take-all primary for probably the last 20 years. Even I knew that. Can I have $10M, please?) And he stubbornly designed her campaign accordingly, by banking everything on early "wins" in big states. But, unless those wins net you all those states delegates, it doesn't mean anything. Who cares if you win 55% of California's delegates if the other guy wins enough smaller states to make up the difference? Which is exactly what Obama did. Clinton pretty much ignored the smaller caucus states until it was too late. Time magazine summed it up nicely: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1738331,00.html The race was close enough that if Clinton had fixed any one of those errors, she would be the nominee. Obama ran a smart campaign, but he was, by far, the underdog. He won by capitalizing on Clinton's (read: Penn's) errors. If Penn were a normal human, like you or me, he'd never be able to find work again. But, in the wonderful and exotic world of Democratic campaign consultants, he'll continue to command eight figure salaries, and will have no problem getting hired to lose other campaigns. Only in America is a guy like that even employable at all. > Besides, looking at the state of the polls just now (basically > 50-50), it seems to show that the American populace probably needs > another four years of this current crap in order to learn their lesson. Leave it to the Democratic Party to somehow engineer a close race when the Republican brand name is in the toilet. They stand poised to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again. By most estimates, the GOP is going to get destroyed in the congressional races this year, especially in the Senate. Congressional republicans are in full-blown, wide-eyed with terror, every man for himself, panic mode. The most unpopular president in history is sitting in the White House right now, and he's a republican. The conservative republican brand is radioactive. The Democrats should be winning the presidential race in a walk. Incredible. If America is dumb enough to pick John McBush, then we'll deserve whatever we end up getting. Respectfully, David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:33:57 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: women - now, hillary campaign, njc Randy Remote wrote: > From: "David Eoll" > >> Leave it to the Democratic Party to somehow engineer a close race when >> the Republican brand name is in the toilet. > > Michael Moore has a great article on that subject in the > new Rolling Stone: > How The Democrats Can Blow It ...In Six Easy Steps. A blueprint for > losing the most winnable presidential election in American history. > http://tinyurl.com/57j4v4 > Step 1. Keep saying nice things about McCain. Unfortunately, Clinton did this one over and over in the Democratic primary. >> If America is dumb enough to pick John McBush, then >> we'll deserve whatever we end up getting. > > America could choose the Democratic candidate and still > lose-it's happened twice already. It mystifies me why the > Dems haven't made an issue of the massive voter frauds > that have taken place in the past two presidential races. RR Ironically, its the Republicans who have been complaining the loudest about voter fraud. So that they can pass more voter ID laws like the one in Indiana that tend to keep certain Dem voting blocs (e.g. poor people) from voting. In the recent Supreme Court decision defending that law, the government attorneys could not produce a single case of an illegitimate vote from being cast. So the voter ID law is a "solution" to a problem that does not exist. The cases of legitimate voters being turned away are numerous, however. And, you're right, we don't hear enough about that. Respectfully, David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #177 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------