From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #176 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 24 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 176 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: women, njc ["Rob Argento" ] NJC: Aimee Mann chooses favorite "Freeway" performance ["Mark Angelo" ] producer jerry finn dies NJC [Mags ] bread and roses, njc [Laura Stanley ] njc, Habemus Obamam et Bidenum [Patti Parlette ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:32:06 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: women, njc If I was Hillary I would stay OUT of the VP position. If she took the position and Obama won, then she would not have another chance at the presidency until 2016 and by that time the fickle american public might just be comfortable enough again to blow it by electing a conservative. Remember, Obama might not win this time! If he looses then Hillary can and will make a move in 2012. If she was marked as a "loser" on the 2008 Obama/Clinton ticket her chances to win in 2012 would be less. If she stays out off of this ticket then she can remain an excellent senator for the next 4 years and be in a great position to start campaigning for the 2012 presidency almost immediatelly. I think she would make a great president, but the next four years are going to be hell for Obama if he wins and so in order for her to be able to enact the reforms I would hope she would enact, I would rather see her come in under better conditions then this last dodo is leaving behind. Besides, looking at the state of the polls just now (basically 50-50), it seems to show that the American populace probably needs another four years of this current crap in order to learn their lesson. /Robban - who is blessed with dual citizenship and a home in Sweden - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of David Eoll Sent: den 23 augusti 2008 01:16 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: women, njc > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: women, njc > > If our voters have the justice to elect a black man to the position of democratic candidate for president, should not a woman walk in by his side? And, I don't mean the first lady. I hope Obama has the vision of Fredick Douglass who is definitely one of my heroes. From all accounts, there are two women on the proverbial Short List: Sen. Clinton and Gov. Sebelius of Kansas. But, who knows? I hope he picks one of those two, pretty much for the reason you state. But more likely than not, he'll pick a white guy, to play it safe. And probably a conservative one, at that. Hopefully, I'm wrong. I felt it was cruelly ironic that two groups that have been marginalized for so long both had their first realistic shot at the presidency in the same year. One group will have to wait a bit longer. As far as VP goes, I frankly don't know why anyone would want the job. Its largely ceremonial. There are only two constitutional duties of the VP: 1) cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate, and 2) assume the presidency if the sitting president dies or invokes the 25th. Cheney doesn't count, since he has really been the acting president in many ways these past 7 years. And Bush's role has been the largely ceremonial one, more of a head of state than a head of government. But, that is not the way the two offices are supposed to work. Normally, the only real perq of office is it sets you up to run as an incumbent in 8 years. But, Hillary will be 69 then. Its still possible, I guess. Reagan assumed office at 69. But, realistically? This was her one shot. If I were her, I'd be aiming either for a cabinet secretaryship (Attorney General, maybe? Someone tough is going to have to clean up the mess the republicans have made of the DoJ), or majority leader of the Senate. Screw VP. Respectfully, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:49:25 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: NJC: Aimee Mann chooses favorite "Freeway" performance Aimee Mann has chosen her favorite video of her song "Freeway" off her most recent CD "@#%&*! Smilers". Aimee has that ability, as does Joni, to be able to perform live acoustic versions of her songs flawlessly, equal to or better than the recorded versions. The song, which opens the album, is ostensibly "the story of a junkie who moves to LA to forget about his past". Kind of interesting in the sense that most of "Hejira" was written by Joni on a journey which would take her away from LA and it's graffitti ruins as a "refugee" in a soul searching quest, producing what is arguably some of her finest material. Anyways, I much prefer Aimee's own version of "Freeway", but this guy she has selected makes a compelling performance. His voice and style sound to my ear as if he could possibly be the F1 Hybrid generation product of a Bob Dylan crossed with an Arlo Guthrie?? :-) Interestingly, he shot the video in the downtown areas of Tucson. Those familiar with the city can make out Broadway Avenue, and what appears to be the Ronstadt Transit Center downtown. Aimee's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQF5CXV9cos The winning video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrkMuyxjuRY - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:52:22 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Thanks for the birthday wishes! (NJC) Wise-ass Paz said: <> Ah, it's true. I don't have the time to read the digests on a regular basis, and I have been traveling. However, Thank you, all those on the JMDL who have wished me a happy birthday, and a happy one it was! I miss you all and think of you often, even though I don't write much anymore. Thinking of all the Jonifesters in England this weekend..... Big hugs, Ashara **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Women, njc David wrote: I felt it was cruelly ironic that two groups that have been marginalized for so long both had their first realistic shot at the presidency in the same year. One group will have to wait a bit longer. As far as VP goes, I frankly don't know why anyone would want the job. Its largely ceremonial. Hi David, Thanks for your post. I agree. The only woman who was actually looked into as a prospective VP candidate was the lady from Kansas from what I understood. I still have a small hope McCain will pick a woman, but that is almost funny. Yes women will have to wait longer. I wonder if people realize how difficult it was for women to get the right to vote with the 19th Amendment passing on 26, 1920? Women had been beaten, imprisoned, and publicly humiliated for trying to get the right to vote. The 19th Amendment passed 50 years after black men got the right to vote. I hope we don't have to wait another 50 years for a woman president. Step back and look at who is running our country now 88 years after women got the right to vote and it is easy to see not much has really changed in that sense. As for the history of women's rights, older women won't forget and women my age are more likely to have heard the stories from their mothers and grandmothers but still be complacent and no longer activists which puzzles me. I'm not as active as I'd like to be in this land of the free. Love, Laura NP: Todd Rundgren, Greatest Hits (with my BOSE speakers all reconnected!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: producer jerry finn dies NJC http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2236979720080822?feedTy pe=RSS&feedName=entertainmentNews i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: bread and roses, njc http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qYIHPj-3hg0 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:04:19 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Habemus Obamam et Bidenum Bonsoir, Joniamigos! "It's a beautiful day!" WARNING: POLITICAL CONTENT (Don't say I didn't warn ya.) ; ) I had dinner w/ my son MfM last night (after the longest physical separation we have ever experienced, I think, so that was special) and he had his cellphone on the table, waiting for the text message. No message. Then today, I was up early on my ranch (in my little ranch house on the hill, not really a ranch) to get the news. It came on my TV set around 5 a.m., before I got the email. ("I heard the news today, oh boy, about a lucky man who made the grade.") I wanted to write all day but had to calm down a little, plus I was hesitant to bring politics back to the list, knowing how it bothers some people (who, by now, I hope, have just tuned me out.) But in my heart and mind, it's not about politics. It's about life and death these days. The breakdown of this century. All week it was speculation, well who's to know, and now we know. Habemus Obamam et Bidenum! (Hope that Latin is correct. An Italian professor gave it to me. Something tells me it should be Obamum, but what do I know?) Signed, sealed, delivered! Giving all due honor and credit to Kate's friend Kenny, this song is is the first one that popped into my head this morning. This Is It There have been times in my life I've been wondering why Still somehow I believed We'd always survive Now I'm not so sure You're waiting to hear One good reason to try But what more can I say What's left to provide You think that maybe it's over Only if you want it to be Are you gonna wait for your sign, your Miracle Stand up and fight This is it Make no mistake where you are This is it Your back's to the corner This is it Don't be a fool anymore This is it The waiting is over No room to run No way to hide No time for wondering why It's here The moment is now About to decide Let him believe Or leave him behind But keep me near in your heart And know, whatever you do I'm here by your side You said that maybe it's over Not if you don't want it to be For once in your life, here's your miracle Stand up and fight This is it Make no mistake where you are This is it You're going no further This is it Until it's over and done No one can tell you what you know Who makes the choice of how it goes It's not up to me this time You know There comes a day in every life This is it Make no mistake where you are This is it You're going no further This is it Until it's over and done This is it One way or another This is it No one can tell what the future holds This is it Your back's to the corner This is it You make the choice of how it goes This is it The waiting is over This is it No one can tell what the future holds This is it. No matter where or with whom you stood before, this is it. As my old department head (a very wise Spanish gentleman) used to tell us: "These are the oxen you are given with which to pull the cart." I hope all the lost and lonely Hillary supporters will have sours grapes, and their hearts. I hope she shines at the convention, and that everyone's voice is heard. I hope everyone can come together. Biden's critics point to his "brutal honesty" (and occasional gaffes), but I say: Bring it ON! After these 8 years of hopelessness and lies and deception, won't some honesty be refreshing? Imaginez-vous! We need someone who will shake their fists at lightning now and roar like forest fire. Aim the hoses on 'em! Show them we won't expire. "I'm going to get a boat and we can row it"....and play bumper boats with the Swiftboaters! I know no one's going to show us everything, and they're not going to fix it up too easy, but I like this ticket, and I'm going to work hard for it. And I know there are many here who will be doing the same. It will be a rough road to travel, but hope springs eternal. "It's a beautiful day!" And I'm sure it's an *especially* beautiful day for our friends festing it up in the UK! Can't wait for the reports to start trickling in! Love & Peace, Patti P., trying to temper her enthusiasm with caution -- but Christ ya know, it ain't easy! NPIMH: Come on people, now, smile on your brother (and sister), everybody get together, try to love one another and get rid of the warmongers, right now. Right now! "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon http://www.imaginepeace.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. 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