From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #168 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 16 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 168 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New CSN album, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Jerry Wexler - njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Michael from Mountain [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com] Re: sweet bird revisited NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #140 [Bill Branyon ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #140 [Bill Branyon ] Retro Covers for August, Volume 29 ["Bob Muller" ] RE: sweet bird revisited NJC [] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #131 [bobsart48@aol.com] Re: ABBA sjc [bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki- NJC [bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni Tribute @ The Swathmore ["Bob Muller" ] Re: Joni Tribute - Strathmore [bobsart48@aol.com] Heads Up (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Tribute - Strathmore ["Bob Muller" ] Atlantic's Jerry Wexler dies njc ["Randy Remote" Subject: Re: New CSN album, njc Hi five Laura! Tat song & songwriter were what popped into my mind as a response to Bob's email. James's song was the one I mentioned a few weeks as one of my magical musical movie moments. It is gorgeous; the youtube sound quality doesn't do it justice. Kate Hi Bob, The writing mojo torch was passed on to James Raymond, Crosby's son. This gives me chills: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-xBEdu7EI&feature=related ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:12:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Jerry Wexler - njc Jerry Wexler |1917-2008 Producer was rhythm and blues The man who gave the popular genre its name also brought the sound to the mainstream. Associated Press NEW YORK  Jerry Wex-ler not only coined the phrase rhythm and blues, the legend-ary music producer was one of the key architects of the genre. He revolutionized popular music with seminal, superstar-making recordings of acts such as Aretha Franklin and Ray Charles. But the genius of Mr. Wexler, who died Friday (Aug. 15, 2008) at his Sarasota home at 91, was not limited to one style of music. Over his decades-long career, he would create varied sound-scapes that touched just about every kind of listener, from his work with Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson to his masterful record-ing of Dusty Springfield to his work with pop and rock acts like George Michael and Dire Straits. He also helped build one of the most influential labels in pop, Atlantic Records, which was the home of Franklin, Charles, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones. He was named to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1987. Jerry was truly one of the great record men of all time, Franklin said Friday. I salute him today. Mr. Wexler earned his rep-utation as a music industry giant while a partner at Atlan-tic Records with another legend-ary music figure, the late Ahmet Ertegun. Atlantic provided an outlet for the groundbreaking work of African-American per-formers in the 1950s and 60s. Mr. Wexler helped boost the careers of both Charles and Franklin. Wilson Pickett, Sol-omon Burke and Percy Sledge were among the other R&B greats who benefited from Mr. Wexlers deft recording touch. He loved black music, R&B music, and rhythm and blues was his foundation, Burke said after learning of his death. Jerry Wex-ler didnt change the sound of America, he put the sound to the public. He opened the doors and windows to the radio stations  and made everybody listen. Mr. Wexler landed a job writ-ing for Billboard in the late 1940s. He coined the term rhythm and blues for the magazines black music charts; previously, they were listed under race records. While working at Billboard, Mr. Wexler befriended Ertegun, who with a partner had started Atlan-tic, a small R&B label in New York. In 1953, when Erteguns partner left for a two-year military hitch, Wexler stepped in as co-director. Son Paul Wexler said a private service will take place in the com-ing weeks in Sarasota. In the 2000 documentary about his career, Immaculate Funk, Wexler was asked what he wanted written on his tomb-stone. Two words, said Mr. Wexler: More bass. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:12:53 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Michael from Mountain I play Michael From Mountain a lot this week. In my opinion, MfM is one of Jonibs songs where she really painted with words and music. If this song was a painting, Ibm sure it would look like Renoirbs Luncheon of The Boating Party. Hmmm.... Rian PS. Ah, if tomorrow is Indonesiabs 63rd independence day, then today is Madonnabs 50th birthday. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:17:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: sweet bird revisited NJC Always glad when I can make a beverage spray - and a nasal spray is a double bonus - whoo hoo! As for new music, you're usually way ahead of me but I can't get enough of Fleet Foxes and The Hold Steady. The new Alejandro Escovedo is ragged and real. Have you checked out The Belleville Outfit? Very easy-on-the-ear Western Swing. Also have been enjoying Greg Laswell, sorta Coldplay meets Radiohead, very addictive. In the singer-songwriter category, Kathleen Edwards' "Asking For Flowers" gets better every time I hear it. Sun Kil Moon (Mark Kozelek)'s "April" is hypnotic and intoxicating, vying with Stephen Malkmus & The Jicks for album of the year (along with the aforementioned Fleet Foxes and Hold Steady) 2008 has been another amazing year for music. Bob NP: Tracy Chapman, "For My Lover" PS: Those boring Friday nights lying with your baby on the couch are some of life's finest moments. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Branyon Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #140 I've read two other Joni biographies, and the latest, triple bio of Joni, Carly Simon and Carole King is the best about Joni,as well as very enlightening about theother two. A regular who's who's of late 60s and early 70s rock and folk.It also reveals that joni is writing hermemoirs. And finally, she almost commands that to understand herwe must read Nietzsche. I happen tobe writing a nonfiction - LiberatingLiberals - with a focus on Nietzsche,and agree with Joni. However, it's easier to read books about Nietzschethan to read Nietz himself. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Branyon Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #140 PS,The book is "Girls Like Us." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:58:36 -0400 From: "Bob Muller" Subject: Retro Covers for August, Volume 29 So here we are at mid-month already, and only a couple of days before I head across the pond for some days in the garden with JMDLer friends old & new! But just a song before I go...or a bunch of 'em in this case - it's my mid-month covers flashback, this time featuring Covers Volume 29. And it's an odd mix indeed, as are all of them in their own way I suppose. Anyway, here's the link: https://www.yousendit.com/download/Q01IaUNDSWVwcFd4dnc9PQ And the contents: 1. Patrick Regan Band - The Dawntreader 2. Enzo Pietropaoli - River 3. Mia Martini - Taxi Giallo 4. Joel Grey - Both Sides Now 5. Roberto Ottaviano - Sweet Sucker Dance 6. The Carol Hamersma Trio - Chelsea Morning 7. Krystyna Olsiewicz - Carey 8. Kiri Te Kanawa - Both Sides Now 9. Bobby & I - Michael From Mountains 10. Eugene von Beethoven - All I Want 11. London Pops Orchestra - Woodstock 12. Jane Henderson - Both Sides Now 13. Jane Henderson - All I Want 14. Blind Guardian - This Flight Tonight 15. Lillian Ho - The Circle Game 16. Rod McKuen - Both Sides Now 17. Jude - Morning Morgantown 18. Art Lande - For Free Bob NP: XTC, "All Along The Watchtower" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:24:54 +1200 From: Subject: RE: sweet bird revisited NJC Bob wrote: > PS: Those boring Friday nights lying with your baby on the couch > are some of life's finest moments. We've got a baby on the couch too: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/places/waipipi/sofa.html Probably not quite what you're talking about, though.... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:21:05 -0400 From: bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #131 Mark Posted re ABBA - spot on review, IMO. Well done, Mark, as usual I had no intention of seeing 'Mamma Mia!' ..... I have to say the movie's a hoot! Silly, but fun. .... But the miraculous Meryl Streep seems to be able to do anything. She manages to make 'The Winner Takes It All' into a torch song deluxe and she is a true diva when she sings it......... And if Greece, Crete, etc. look anything like the settings where they made this movie, then I can easily see why Joni was enchanted with it. There are a couple of shots of the night that look very much like 'a starry dome'. Very beautiful. Oh, and Pierce Brosnan will never get a record deal. Otherwise, most of the singing was pretty darn good. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:15:02 -0400 From: bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: ABBA sjc I just saw?the movie Mama Mia last week. I like ice cream, too. All different flavors. ABBA gives you a lot of flavors - chord changes and rhythm are the ice cream of pop music. That said, I don't have any of their albums, and don't listen to them except when they happen to be around. I guess I prefer red wine, along with some exotic sours, bitters, salts and sweets. More like Joni. I could drink a case of her - and did, Thursday night, at the Strathmore in Bethesda. If noone has reported on that, I'll send one. Just visiting the list for first time in a month or so. Nice to have the time and the reason. Bobsart - -----Original Message----- From: JMDL Digest To: joni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 3:00 am Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #167 JMDL Digest Saturday, August 16 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 167 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- movie songs [JEFF HANKINS ] Re: movie songs ["Bob Muller" ] Re: sjc, I've been traveling sooooo long... ["Randy Remote" ] RE: ABBA, NJC ["Rob Argento" ] RE: ABBA, NJC [Em ] Re: ABBA, NJC [Victor Johnson ] RE: ABBA, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: ABBA, NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: ABBA, NJC [Catherine McKay ] Joni's music and more...(long) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Bob's voice, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] RE: ABBA, NJC [Joseph Palis ] re: sweet bird revisited NJC [Alison E ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:28:12 +0100 (BST) From: JEFF HANKINS Subject: movie songs Didn't Joni write 'Harry's House' for a film too? The Carrie Snodgress film 'Diary of a Mad Housewife' or whatever it was called (but not used)? It is a very 'filmic' song. I didn't know she'd written Sweet Bird for 'Shampoo'!! I always thought it was a response-song (like a couple of the songs on'Shine') to 'Sweet Bird of Youth'. Similarly I kind of imagined that 'Midnight Cowboy' was a response-song (after seeing the movie) - would she have had sufficient notoriety back then to have written it 'for' the film? Of course, 'S ongs to ageing Children' WAS used for Alice's Restaurant, though not the voice that would have made it come alive! Jeff - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:46:35 -0400 From: "Bob Muller" Subject: Re: movie songs At the time she was hanging out with James Leo Herlihy, the writer of the novel. This was back in the Laurel Canyon days. When the book was touted as a film project, she composed her song for it but in the end they went with Fred Neil's "Everybody's Talking", sung by Nilsson who had also written a song for the film which wasn't used - "I Guess The Lord Must Be In New York City". Good trivia from my favorite movie of all time. Bob NP: Al Green, "Love & Happiness" - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:14:12 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: sjc, I've been traveling sooooo long... From: "Patti Parlette" >(I was in some hotel room, and yes it had a view....and it was a *pink* >hotel to boot! With a boutique, and a swinging hot spot. I kid you not! Patti, this time you've gone too far!...Ha, really, glad you had a wonderful trip, hope you're not down to a roll of dimes.... Re: The Beatles Love:::I gotta see it but glad someone from the jmdl was there to represent- Re: CSN on Colbert- pretty good interview but the song.... I don't know which was scarier, that they let Colbert sing with them on Teach Your Children, or that he sang as good as they did...not a shining moment. Colbert: Do you want to take back all the terrible things you said about Nixon? CSN: No way! Funny, the radio today announced David's birthday, and proceeded to play (Nash's) Lady of the Island (which is probably about Joni now that I think about it). Happy birthday to the Croz!!! And thanks for bringing Joni into our lives! And thanks for all the music!!! RR RR - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:35:07 +0700 From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ABBA, NJC > Is ABBA a guilty pleasure? > Rian Randy added : Not a pleasure of any kind. >>> WaaWaaWeeWaa I thought everybody loves ABBA. Randy, is there any reason why you don't like ABBA? And speaking of ABBA... I'm always "fascinated" by their music videos. All of their music videos. They all came in a same formula : 1. BjC6rn comes with Benny, Agnetha with Frida 2. When it comes to love song, BjC6rn with Agnetha and Benny with Frida. 3. Special effects = lamps. Yes, lamps, not light. Check their Money Money Money video 4. Silly moves, silly make ups, silly costumes. Specially on Take A Chance On Me. 5. BjC6rn is a genius. But in most video, he always look like a frog character on sesame street. Specially on Chiquitita where he word a silly banana green jacket. 6. Etc etc Rian NP. ABBA - Gimme Gimme Gimme - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:39:44 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: ABBA, NJC Yeah, Randy. I would have thought you would at least be impressed with their sound engineering. Jerry >> Is ABBA a guilty pleasure? >> Rian > > Randy added : > Not a pleasure of any kind. > > >>>> > WaaWaaWeeWaa > I thought everybody loves ABBA. Randy, is there any reason why you don't like > ABBA? > > And speaking of ABBA... I'm always "fascinated" by their music videos. All of > their music videos. They all came in a same formula : > 1. BjC6rn comes with Benny, Agnetha with Frida > 2. When it comes to love song, BjC6rn with Agnetha and Benny with Frida. > 3. Special effects = lamps. Yes, lamps, not light. Check their Money Money > Money video > 4. Silly moves, silly make ups, silly costumes. Specially on Take A Chance On > Me. > 5. BjC6rn is a genius. But in most video, he always look like a frog character > on sesame street. Specially on Chiquitita where he word a silly banana green > jacket. > 6. Etc etc > > Rian > NP. ABBA - Gimme Gimme Gimme - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:03:06 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: ABBA, NJC Well, I am going to defend ABBA - JUST BECAUSE! I was living in Sweden during the entire ABBA period and later on for that matter. It was certainly not considered "cool" to like ABBA, especially within progressive circles. The music was diametrically opposed to other Swedish music types of the time which were more and more social political and things like ABBA and IKEA were considered to be without any social merit. And they were making money hand over fist which in Sweden really makes you a target. But musically speaking they were doing some very interesting stuff. Benny, at the very least, is a very serious musician and few people outside of Sweden know of his work in Swedish traditional folk music. The fact is that they knew exactly what they were doing with the silly 70's costumes and in the texts of most of their songs. They were certainly not trying to be Joni or James. They were trying to and succeeded in tapping the "common" market with just plain fun and somehow without the cynicism of many successful American groups who have hit it big throughout the years. But, once again, in their harmonies...am I the only one who detected some musical relation between their 4 voices and how they were used with The Mamas and Papas? For me ABBAs "Dancing Queen" - not the words maybe but the music - makes me think of M&P "California Dreamin'" and "Do you want to Dance". Agneta and FridaB4s voices went very well together in BjC6rn and Benny's work and this was further enhanced in the mixing. Many of us have a tender place in our hearts for The Beach Boys". I usually attend their concerts on the sand of Cocoa Beach. No great social content in their texts either - but it is simply great fun. Silly little texts about hot rods and surfing, no aggression, just plain fun. And so, these were 4 Swedish musicians of ABBA, a ll previously active in different groups in Sweden, simply trying to make a living and finding a formula which would appeal to many. Oddly enough it appealed more to people outside of Scandinavia than within our boarders. But that is another story. Now I am older and much less of a musical snob. I am old enough to remember Dylan's "coming out" and the distaste shown for the new style by many of my fellow Folkies. (I was still in the closet about my really liking "Maggies Farm") While I put Joni's music highest on my list, followed by Cohen, delta blues et al, today I can realize that there is a place in my heart even for ABBA. There was certainly some creative engineering done there, some good musical construction and while most of their texts were quite banal, there were actually some interesting one's snuck in there - not many- but a few. Come on, all you fellow JMDLers. Kick off your shoes! Lighten up a bit! You can dance with the girl with a hole in her stockings! There is a time for introspection, and god knows we all do that. But there is also a time to forget bit all and go with the musical flow - of ABBA. And Sweden, at least, would be musically poorer without Benny Andersson, the folk musician. By the way, Agneta is personally more like Joni than you might imagine. But then that, too, is another story. /Robban - with his neck stuck way out. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: ABBA, NJC I don't hate them, lol... they're kind of like an umbrella drink. There's a certain time and place for them. I always liked "S.O.S.", which is pretty good cuz I hated EVERYTHING back then... happy Friday, folks! Em - - --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Rob Argento wrote: From: Rob Argento Subject: RE: ABBA, NJC To: "'Randy Remote'" , joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 1:03 PM Well, I am going to defend ABBA - JUST BECAUSE! - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:24:58 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: ABBA, NJC Hey....that's my favorite ABBA song as well, S.O.S. I just got back from Tampa on Wednesday. One of these days I'll have to look you guys up and have a Joni minifest, though there never seems to be enough time. I managed to hit three different beaches though, Siesta Key (my favorite that I've been going to since I was not even 6 months old), Anna Maria Island, and Indian Rocks beach right before we skadoodled back to Atlanta. Tonight we're just going to chill and watch Harvey, the Jimmy Stewart movie about an imaginary giant white rabbit. Victor On Aug 15, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Em wrote: > I don't hate them, lol... > they're kind of like an umbrella drink. There's a certain time and > place for them. > I always liked "S.O.S.", which is pretty good cuz I hated > EVERYTHING back then... > happy Friday, folks! > Em - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: ABBA, NJC I was never a fan of ABBA and, in fact, really couldn't stand them at the time- and yet some of their songs just stuck in your head and wouldn't get out. While I was attending Laval University in Quebec 1974/75, the song "Waterloo" was really big and you'd hear it in both English and French (you'd never know the difference if you weren't really listening to the words.) Years later, I don't mind them as much, although I always found their arrangements to be too mushy or sickeningly sweet for my taste. However, I truly did enjoy the film "Mamma Mia." I've never even seen any of their videos but suppose can find these on Youtube. However, I did watch "My life as a dog" on the weekend. I had never seen it. There were extras, including an interview with director Lasse Hallstrom who did all of ABBA's videos. He mentioned what you said about the Swedes hating that commercial/successful side (Hmm, they sound kind of like Cana dians to me!) and that being associated with them was considered somehow "evil." - - --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Rob Argento wrote: Well, I am going to defend ABBA - JUST BECAUSE! I was living in Sweden during the entire ABBA period and later on for that matter. It was certainly not considered "cool" to like ABBA, especially within progressive circles. The music was diametrically opposed to other Swedish music types of the time which were more and more social political and things like ABBA and IKEA were considered to be without any social merit. And they were making money hand over fist which in Sweden really makes you a target. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:17:16 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: ABBA, NJC > Yeah, Randy. I would have thought you would at least be impressed with > their > sound engineering. > Jerry Hmm......I can listen to well engineered music I like, so why listen to well engineered music I don't like? At the end of the day, it's like Jerry Garcia said; some people like licorice, some just don't. Although I'm somewhat reluctant to say, on a recent road trip, I enjoyed the new Kid Rock song on the radio, "All Summer Long" (?). Even though I've seen him on the tube many times and thought he sucked. Who can say why someone likes brocolli, and someone else (I'm talkin' to you, George Bush Sr.) hates it. Side note: vocal pitch correction effects are ruining music! I mean it is everywhere now, country, pop... even Tejano tex-mex* accordian tunes have that robotic, life-sucking sound. It really blows. I mean sucks. You hear the latest pop sensation on the radio, and they sound pretty good, then you hear them on Letterman, and they are horrible singers-usually the only good musician is the drummer. Studio creations. And don't get me started on the frickin' Jonahs Brothers! Straight out of a test tube in the Disney sound labs....ick... Curmudgeonly yours, RR, Hannah Montana fan (hey, if Joni can write a song about her...) * in Central California about a third of the stations are Latino. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:24:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ABBA, NJC Why do they pick people who can't sing and do stuff to make them sound good? Because they look good? Aren't there enough good-looking people who CAN sing without all the engineering? For that matter, if someone sings well, but isn't that good-looking, they can do things to make them look good. So, what's the point? Rhetorical question. I don't think there's a real answer to that. And how come all these young people sound and look as if they were cloned from the one who came just before them? (Oh, maybe it's because I'm old and crabby and turning into my parents.) - - --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Randy Remote wrote: Side note: vocal pitch correction effects are ruining music! I mean it is everywhere now, country, pop... even Tejano tex-mex* accordian tunes have that robotic, life-sucking sound. It really blows. I mean sucks. You hear the latest pop sensation on the radio, and they sound pretty good, then you hear them on Letterman, and they are horrible singers-usually the only good musician is the drummer. Studio creations. And don't get me started on the frickin' Jonahs Brothers! Straight out of a test tube in the Disney sound labs....ick... Curmudgeonly yours, RR, Hannah Montana fan (hey, if Joni can write a song about her...) * in Central California about a third of the stations are Latino. - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni's music and more...(long) I had previously asked a question about honesty in music and in particular the honesty in Joni's music. I had been meaning to write this email for a while but have had very little time to myself. I'm almost always working (2 jobs currently) and when I am off, I am almost always doing something. Not to mention I'll be in Vancouver, Canada this Tuesday and won't return until the following Tuesday, the 26th. I will have no access to a computer but very much free time to absorb the culture and enjoy myself. That is one of the reasons why I decided to just stay home tonight after getting home from work--just have a nice, relaxing night all to myself. Sweet solitude. Anyhow, I think one of the most beautiful aspects of Joni's music is the integrity in it. Just recently we read how a song can be so valuable to someone's life. Even in the songs that Joni writes about a "character" or a song that simply expresses a point of view, you know a little (or a big) part of her went into it. Even if she has said in interviews I wrote that or this song purely as an exercise and don't believe in it (has she ever even said such a thing? I'm just saying) you know something of her went into it. I never believe the writers who after writing something say that there was no personal input or outlook put into it. Yes there was! You wrote it! It came from your mind....if not your heart. It is a part of you. Anyway, I can't cite a song that I find dishonest by Joni. Now of course I could be partly biased but even such a song like You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio which was indeed written with the intention of being a hit had some sort of personal input into it. It was kind of a joke pointed at Geffen who wanted Joni to write songs more suitable for "radio" exposure. Kind of clever, no? I think Joni's most soul baring song is Little Green. I'm sure that was very hard for her to perform. You know what? I retract. Perhaps it had the opposite effect on her as her music has on us. We all relate to her music and are comforted by it. I would say Joni's most honest (and beautiful) song is River. I absolutely positively love that song . Although I would say that if I wanted to dance to a Joni song, I'd probably pick DJRD as well though I wouldn't tape myself doing so. It does have a solid groove though. - - -Monika - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:01:28 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Bob's voice, njc I would give almost anything for this. : - ) >More trivia: Joni has written (and had rejected) songs for at least two>more movies. What are the songs and the movies? Winner gets Bob Muller's>voice on your answering machine. Les _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo _Gallery_082008 - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:17:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: ABBA, NJC So okay, I'm delurking yet again just to say that I too listened to ABBA (isn't one of the B's supposed to be a mirror image of the other) as a kid. In the Philippines. It was during the time 'Dancinf Queen' swept the airwaves with its bouncingly intoxicating blend of disco, female vocals and yes, a clean and quite adept sound technology that was prolly underappreciated at that time. B But I listened to them a lot. One can't get away from them. Ubiquitous doesn't begin to describe their omni-presence. This was pre-iPod era of course. LPs rule (as they do still now in some quarters!). B After watching 'Mamma Mia!" I wished I was listening to ABBA than the singers hired to sing their songs, although Julie Walters was quite a minx and did a very campy "Take A Chance on Me" that worked for me. B 'Muriel's Wedding' is probably still the best film that incorporates ABBA music. Although Terrence Stamp's immortal words in "Priscilla Queen of the Desert" still makes me smile: "No fecking ABBA". B Anyone heard of Anne Sofie von Otter's ABBA album? I love this mezzo a lot and Elvis Costello agr eed with that, but cross-over albums rarely work for me. Still curious about the album though. B And oh, I like "My Life as a Dog" too. Still the best coming-of-age movie for me. Too bad Lasse Hallstrom squandered his talent when we went Hollywood. B Joseph in Chapel Hill np:B Lykke Li - Dance, Dance, Dance - - --- En date deB : Sam 16.8.08, Catherine McKay a C)critB : However, I did watch "My life as a dog" on the weekend. I had never seen it. ____________________________________________________________________ _________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: re: sweet bird revisited NJC LOL, i haven't been reading the jmdl lately, but i pop in for this specific kind of post, to have bob muller send coors light spraying out my nose on a boring friday night while my beautiful baby sleeps next to me on the couch. thanks, bob! alison np: mad about you rerun p.s.: what new music should i be listening to??? Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Sweet Bird revisited NJC Not a problem, I typically call myself at least once a week to sing "Have I Told You Lately That I Love You?" Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Babylon Sisters" - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #167 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:33:44 -0400 From: bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki- NJC Jeannie posted, without the NJC tag Seems I'm all complaints, but I?had finally found?a?few?minutes?all to myself?for a desperately needed chill with?one of my?menthol cigarettes, slung myself back on the sofa, lit up, pondered a bit, got the remote and came across an HBO?documentary, "White Light/Black Rain," and all thoughts of relaxing became impossible, because what I saw looking out over my TV set were the most insane, most inhumane film clips taken?at the aftermath of the atomic bombs which were so cruelly and heartlessly hurled towards Nagasaki and Hiroshima by the United States Government and it was horrible?watching such intense suffering . I just can't imagine. So now I'm trembling like Magdalene like a washing on a line. Jeannie Jeannie - The caption and the final line do not qualify as Joni content. Please spare us Joni-onlies the stupidity. Also, I suggest you spend a few hours in the Holocaust museum in DC - it'll give you a better perspective on Germany (and its ally, Japan), in terms of what we were up against in WW II. One of Joni's dumbest lines, ever. Unpardonable, really. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:35:46 -0400 From: "Bob Muller" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute @ The Swathmore Do tell, Bob - no one has reported on it as yet. I saw a video of the BSN performance on YouTube but the quality was a bit sketchy. And since you chastised Jeannie on her omitting the NJC tag, give yourself some wet noodle lashes for sending the entire digest back with this post. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Rush Across The Road" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:36:04 -0400 From: bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute - Strathmore I don't see any reports yet on the Joni tribute held on Thursday night, in Bethesda, at the Music Center at Strathmore.? I attended it with my daughter,?Leah, who is something of a reluctant Joni fan (it just kills her?to realize I was right all along). She lives in Silver Spring, so this was effectively a home-town show for her. The center is very attractive, indeed - seating roughly 2,000 people in a glassily modern structure in a high-rent district near the beltway. Comfortable seats,?good sound. Three hours of solid Joni, with a 20 minute break to go out on the huge patio and grab a smoke in the fresh air :-) I gather that this was the 5th in a series of increasingly ambitious annual projects instigated by?Ronnie Newmyer and Chuck Sullivan, who founded a movement entitled "Bandhouse Gigs" to?respond to a request from the Washington Area Music Association and Strathmore?to produce a concert tribute to Nils Lofgren in 2004 (at which Lofgren appreared). Subsequent tributes followed to The Band, Neil?Young, and Bob Dylan. The tribute?showcased roughly 50 DC area musicians/groups and, on balance,?I was thrilled?by it.?I am not very close to the music world, so I did not even recognize the names, for the most part. But they were very, very good musicians, indeed, and their passion for this project was more than obvious. They were all obviously thrilled to be part of the proceedings, and it showed in their energy and preparation. It was far superior to the Wall to Wall tribute, and IMO was?significantly better in most respects than the Carnegie Hall tribute. I wasn't at the TNT tribute, which I have seen a dozen times or so on tape, but the mood was closer to that, but without the big names (and with almost twice as many songs). In terms of criticism, first the good. I have long dreamed of hearing some really hard-working, full bodied versions of Joni's songs, with all of the elements covered. Here, we were treated to that. In each case, the songs arrangements were as ambitious and full bodied as (and in many cases, more so than) the studio recordings. To me, that is an element that has?been largely missing from the earlier tributes. Lots of harmonies, lots of instruments, lots of musical parts quite well done. The performances were not totally outstanding, but they were very good at worst, which means a lot to me. No stinkers, at all. Everybody who did a song put his or her heart into it, and had talent. For Kenny G, I am pleased to report that a very full-bodied and complete version of Down to You was performed by Jon Carroll on piano and vocals, accompanied by an ensemble of at least a dozen (probably more) singers and other musicians (there was at least one reed player (Wayne Sulc) and a trombonist (Jeff Bonk) and Al williams (sax and flute). The sound quality was very good, especially given that most of the songs were played on electric guitar rather than acoustic ( a few nice ones came on acoustic, as appropriate). In terms of minuses, there were only a few. First, and especially toward the second half, there were some songs that featured too many musicians. I realize that in a venue of this size, all of the musicians want to be as much a part of the history as possible, but in music (as in life), sometimes less is more. Second, the songs were heavily weighted toward Joni's earlier period. These are great songs, so I had no complaint. And the audience was very large (sold out the place) and appreciative - perhaps because they recognized most if not all of the songs. But I would have loved to have seen a bit more of Joni's later and/or more ambitious songs - these musicians were more than capable of handling the challenge. The song transitions were handled extremely well by the crew. Some were performed from a balcony in the rear-right portion of the stage (from the audience's persepctive). At the end of the performance, the entire audience gave the ensemble (following The Circle Game) a spontaneous, heartfelt standing ovation. It was, clearly, a well received show. Far more so than The 39 Steps on Broadway, which I saw on Tuesday, and - while cute - was rewarded with far less enthusiastic applause at its conclusion. I am not doubt missing some of the songs played (I did not take notes), but they included the following (in more or less chronological order, rather than in order of performance). I do not really know who did which songs - if you were there, you might forgive me - I thought the introductions were rather carelessly and casually handled, by a rapid fire emcee who did not really know how to handle his mike. In his defense, there were so many songs and performers, his job was time-constrained. Urge for Going Night in the City (the crowd loved this one - 5 or 6 good singers, doing it right, and a sparkling instrumental arrangement) Cactus Tree Chelsea Morning Both Sides Now Ladies of the Canyon (Annie Lennox style - this was the opener) Conversation (as usual, a crowd favorite) Big Yellow Taxi For Free Woodstock (really good, starting with Joni's version, finishing with CSNY's - some rocking guitars and better harmonies by far than the current CSN could produce - featuring close to a dozen singers) The Circle Game Little Green Blue This Flight Tonight A Case of You (the other Jon Carroll entry - very professional, very polished, very sincere, on piano) You Turn Me On, Im a Radio?(I think the only one from FTR - what a pity - but I may be missing something here, since I listened to FTR? a couple of time on the way to DC, and I may be getting confused in my dotage?) Help Me Raised on Robbery Down To You Car on?A Hill (better in many respects than the LA Express version - what a transition on this song) Free Man in Paris Twisted In France They Kiss on Main Street Coyote Amelia (this version was a bit staid, IMO, but is a tough song to really capture, as I am learning - Victor's was the most heartfelt cover one I have seen to date) Blue Motel Room Be Cool (I wish there were more like this - fine job on this song - I forget who did it). Night Ride Home Nothing Can Be Done (good job on this one, which Joni covered, I believe) The Magdalene Laundries Those are the 30 songs I recall - I suspect I missed a few. Anybody got any problem with the quality of the set list ? That said, there are 100 or so others I would have liked to have heard. In addition to Jon Carroll, the young singer LEA did a fine job on her two songs, and Steuart Smith was very slick on?guitar and other instruments.? One of the artists, Grace Griffith, I later learned is considered something of a DC area folk icon; she performed on several of the songs, despite battling Parkinson's - very, very impressive under the circumstances. She did the final verse of Circle Game (among her multiple contributions), and the crowd loved it. If you weren't?there, you shoulda been. I will list the artists for those interested (I wouldn't be surprised?if Paz knows them all). The program lists them alphabetically by first name (kinda cute, I thought) Al?Williams?(sax and flute) Andy Hamburger (drums) Bill Starks (piano, organ) Cal Everett bass) Cairo Fred (Bradford Heck - guitar, keyboard,? Desson Thomson - vocals,? Buddy Griffin - pedal steel - he played throughout on that instrument) Brian Riordan - drums,? Anrdis Plavnieks - guitar Carey Creed - vocals Ceasr Vanegas Chaise Lounge ( a 6-person group - they were good) Chelsea Lee (17 year old singer) Chuck Sullivan (crums) Dan Hovey (Guirats, vocals) Danny Schwartz - producer Dave Egel hofer (guitar) David Sless - crew chief Deeme Kason - singer songrwriter Diane Resnethal 9vocals) Esther haynes - vocals Grace Griffith Greg Hardin - bass Jeff Bonk - Trombone John Hurd -piano John Hennigns (of Mary Chapin Carpenter's Band) John Previti - Bass Jon Carroll Keith Grimes - guitarist for Eva Cassidy) Laura Burhenn - singer - former Strathmore Artist in Residence LEA - singer - former Strathmore artist in Residence Luke Brindley - singer sngwriter Margot Mac Donald - 17 year old singer-songwriter - Stratmore artist in Residence invitee for 2008-09 Mary Ann redmond - vocals Matt Spielman - bass NAKED BLUE (Jen and Scott Smith) - very good husband wife duo. One Horse Town - mountain harmonied Paul Pisciotta - bass Ronnie Newnyer - bass Scott Giambusso - bass Shep willimas -keyboards, songwriter Steuart Smith - guiratrist and multi-instrmentalist, voalist - big talent Timm Biery - drums Wayne Sulc (Sax) There it is. Good show. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:21:14 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Heads Up (NJC) Heads up Jimmy and crazy Cuban man. Time to run for the hills. You guys be careful. Hope the storm dies out before it gets that way. I am in Clinton, Ct. at the moment and headed to Bethel, NY tomorrow. Having a ball on the road with the band. Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:45:25 -0400 From: "Bob Muller" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute - Strathmore Hey, thanks a lot for the extensive detail, Bob - it was a VERY impressive setlist. I'm surprised they crammed so much music into a single night. Would love it if they put out a CD or DVD of the event, but I doubt they will since the expense is so high. Would also have loved to have been there - just wasn't good timing for me, right on the heels of heading off to Jonifest & all. Maybe some more of it will find its way to YouTube. Bob NP: Simon & Garfunkel, "I Am A Rock" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:35:21 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Atlantic's Jerry Wexler dies njc Veteran music mogul Jerry Wexler has passed away at the age of 91. He signed Aretha Franklin, and, with partner Ahmet Ertegun, who died last year, produced records by The Drifters, Ray Charles and many others, including the legendary "Dusty in Memphis", and Dylan's Christian declaration "Slow Train Coming", which gave Bob his first Grammy (though himself an atheist). Wexler also coined the term "Rhythm & Blues", changing the name of the chart previously called "Race Records" while an editor at Billboard in 1949. When asked what he would want written on his tombstone, he replied, "Two words: more bass". http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/15/DDNT12BVRQ.DTL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:06:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Heads Up (NJC) Thanks Michael, Since Charley, Wilma, Katrina, we stock up on supplies in June. We'll wait to see what Fay does on Monday til we put up the hurricane shutters, but I'm still a little nervous. Glad you're having a good time in CT with the band. Tell them all how much I enjoyed seeing them when you guys were here in Ft. Myers. Love you to buddy, Jimmy In a message dated 8/16/2008 6:21:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > Heads up Jimmy and crazy Cuban man. Time to run for the hills. You guys be > careful. Hope the storm dies out before it gets that way. I am in Clinton, > Ct. at the moment and headed to Bethel, NY tomorrow. Having a ball on the road > with the band. > > Love > > > Paz > ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:53:13 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: sjc, I've been traveling sooooo long... Bon samedi soir, Joniami(e)s! RR wrote: > > Patti, this time you've gone too far!...Ha, really, glad you had a > wonderful trip, hope you're not down to a roll of dimes.... Thanks, RR! But don't worry. Hey, honey, I've got lots of cash. And plenty of dimes left to go dreaming on. But HEY! I did NOT go too far! I walked on the Joni moon -- you be polite! LOL! Going too far would have been picking up that hitcher, that prisoner. Yes, I recall seeing a highway sign that said something like "Do not pick up hitchhikers. xxxx Correctional facility in area" or something to that effect. (Just googled and there is a North Las Vegas Corrections Center, and a High Desert Corrections Center. And get this: you can be the first to post a review. HUH?) So I drew the (border) line at that! ; ) No hitchers. No prisoners. Gee, remember the old days? Just after the birth of rock and roll days? Everyone hitchhiked! I hitched all over Europe, and that's how we got to school every day in Rouen, France. It was called "l'auto stop" and everyone just lined up there in the morning (Morning, any town you name.) (NPIMH, a moldie oldie just for you, BM! Ride, ride, ride, hitchin' a ride Ride, ride, ride, hitchin' a ride A thumb goes up, a car goes by Oh, won't somebody stop and help a guy? Hitchin' a ride, hitchin' a ride Been away too long from my baby's side) And back in the states, some weekends we'd hitch rides from college on the road to Baljennie, back to our old hometowns. I also just remembered one Saturday night hitching a ride back to UConn from the University of Hartford (don't worry, I was with two guy friends) and these strange strange boys (and girls) picked us up in a van. They were all dressed in togas and came back to our dorm room for a while for our drink and our smoke. They were gnawing on pomegranates and the blood-red juice was getting all over their white togas. Strange birds of appetite! Anyway, no more hitchhiking. Or pickin' up hitchers. Those days are gone. I had another Joni moment I forgot to tell you about. Actually, it was two hours! Yes, the longest wait I've ever endured to pick up a rental car. It was nuts. I was itching to get out of that tourist town and hit the road, and even though I had a reservation, I had to wait, in that crowded waiting room. Everybody waiting. The kids had cokes and chocolate bars and were sitting all over the floor playing video games or texting or whatever. I made the reservation through hotwire.com -- great deals for this flight tonight and pink hotels and car rentals, etc., Joni folks! -- and had selected Dollarwise. So, waiting in that long hot line (It was 110 degrees in Vegas; the A/C was on, but still you felt hot), whenever I looked up at their sign, I would see the word "dollar" and I would sing (to myself): "Buy your dreams a dollar down".... Ha. I wonder if I picked that company subconsciously? What Joni song could you sing about Hertz or Avis or Budget? Anyway, once again, Joni Mitchell comforts me, speaking words of wisdom. Let it be. BTW, it wasn't Hotwire's (TIC! Leadfoot Melvin!) fault -- ALL the rental places were packed. The lady at the counter told me that Sunday is the worst day to rent a car. Ah, life is for learning. When I got out to the garage and the REAL 110 degree heat, there were the same people who had been in front of me before! Ach du Lieber! The guy at the gas pumps was washing the cars as fast as they came in and was giving them out willy-nilly. I had reserved something similar to my Space Buggy, but had to accept an upgrade. At that point I would have taken a '57 Biscayne and dreamed flat tires just to get out of there. I wasn't going to stand and fight, that's for sure. It was a little hairy (okay, a lot hairy for me) driving on I-15 with all the trucks and stuff. An asshole passed me on the right and flipped me off. What does that girl desire, that she grips that steering wheel so tight? Just to get on the open highway and get out of town and find the CD player and slip in Hejira. I finally made it out of the city and pulled off into a rest-stop (no forest to be found amid all the cactus trees) and found the CD in my satchel in the rented Rolls Royce and then finally FINALLY It was just me and Joni, and our ragged souls took flight. Well, of course, sometimes Amelia and Sharon and Furry were with us, and that Coyote, but mostly it was just me and Joni, and all of the hope and the hopelessness we've witnessed thirty years. And that black crow flying, in a blue, blue sky. Love, Patti P., your shining witness to the refuge of the roads P.S. Bon weekend to all, et bon voyage to all who are still traveling, traveling, traveling! NP outside my window: crickets clicking in the ferns, and tree frogs (two were stuck to my kitchen window last night!) _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to belearn how to burn a DVD with Windows.. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #168 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------