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JMDL Digest        Thursday, August 14 2008        Volume 2008 : Number 165



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: Joni's most dishonest song                            [Wtking59@cs.com]
  Re: Joni's most dishonest song    [Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
  Re: Joni's most dishonest song                       [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com]
  Re: New CSN album being recorded with Joni content NJC  [Bob.Muller@Fluor.]
  Re: a question for our librarians NJC  [Monika Bogdanowicz <motitan75@yaho]
  DJRD dance                                              [rsc1@humboldt.edu]
  Herbie on Sundance                          ["Cassy" <Siquomb@Comcast.net>]
  ABBA, NJC                                             [do9eatdo9@yahoo.com]
  Re: ABBA, NJC                                        [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com]
  Re:  Who says you can't dance to Joni?            [M C <mclea92@yahoo.com>]
  All I Intended To Be - New Emmylou njc  ["Mark Scott" <mark.travis@gte.net]
  Re: Joni's most honest song (long)     ["Mark Scott" <mark.travis@gte.net>]
  Re: All I Intended To Be - New Emmylou njc  ["Jerry Notaro" <notaro@stpt.u]
  Meg Mundy - Joni's Twin?                    [mia _ <hvnphun16@hotmail.com>]

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:18:48 EDT
From: Wtking59@cs.com
Subject: Re: Joni's most dishonest song

margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca wrote:

>>> As for "Raised On Robbery," I can listen to it on 'Court and Spark,' but 
the version on 'Miles of Aisles' gives me the willys, like chalk on a black 
board *shiver* ....  <<<
     _____________________________________

Uhhmmm...

just to be clear, "Raised On Robbery" doesn't appear on the magnificent 
'Miles of Aisles.' Could you be thinking of "Love Or Money" (or "Woodstock" ...or 
"Carey" perhaps)? 

   Or maybe you meant "Free Man In Paris" from 'Shadows and Light.' (?) ...


XXXOOO,
Billy

NP: 'District Line' (2008) by Bob Mould

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:58:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Joni's most dishonest song

It's on Shadows and Light: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFxxNj2OZDw

Not my favourite version of not my favourite song, although Laura gave it a perspective I never would have thought of.

- --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Wtking59@cs.com <Wtking59@cs.com> wrote:
From: Wtking59@cs.com <Wtking59@cs.com>
Subject: Re: Joni's most dishonest song
To: joni@smoe.org
Received: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 4:18 AM

margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca wrote:

>>> As for "Raised On Robbery," I can listen to it on
'Court and Spark,' but 
the version on 'Miles of Aisles' gives me the willys, like chalk on a
black 
board *shiver* ....  <<<
     _____________________________________

Uhhmmm...

just to be clear, "Raised On Robbery" doesn't appear on the
magnificent 
'Miles of Aisles.' Could you be thinking of "Love Or Money"
(or "Woodstock" ...or 
"Carey" perhaps)? 

   Or maybe you meant "Free Man In Paris" from 'Shadows and
Light.' (?) ...


XXXOOO,
Billy

NP: 'District Line' (2008) by Bob Mould

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:27:14 -0400
From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com
Subject: Re: Joni's most dishonest song

<just to be clear, "Raised On Robbery" doesn't appear on the magnificent 
'Miles of Aisles.'>

So I guess you haven't discovered the 'hidden track' on MOA, Billy? - ROR 
plays after the runout on side 3 of the LP.

I'm kidding...although she did play it on the '74 tour that MOA came from, 
as well as her '76 tour, and her '79. And just as a point of 
clarification, ROR is on the S&L VIDEO and not the album.

I'm sure that given its basic 12-bar blues/rock & roll structure, it's 
always been a crowd-pleaser and a welcome break for the musicians involved 
to just cut loose and have fun. I'm hoping to have a little fun with it 
myself at Jonifest in a week or so.

Bob

NP: The Black Keys, "Things Ain't Like They Used To Be"
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:39:20 -0400
From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com
Subject: Re: New CSN album being recorded with Joni content NJC

<CSN (no Y) is recording a new album with Rick
Rubin featuring covers of the favorite songs, including Joni, the Beatles,
JT, Dylan , "people that we love.">

A good call on their part since their writing mojo dried up about 25 years 
ago.

Bob

NP: Stephen Malkmus & The Jicks, "Cold Son"
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Monika Bogdanowicz <motitan75@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: a question for our librarians NJC

  My sister, who is finishing up her in Master's in library sciences (today's
her last day of school) tells me that in the U.S. there are a number of
authors and publishers who are looking to instigate such a thing.  However, it
is unlikely to become a reality at this time...
- -M

- --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kate Bennett <kate@katebennett.com> wrote:

From: Kate Bennett <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: a question for our librarians NJC
To: joni@smoe.org
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:21 PM

I'm having a discussion with someone who states that libraries pay a fee to
the author of a books/dvd for each time someone borrows the material from
the library- is this true?



Kate

[demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had
a
name of winmail.dat]

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: rsc1@humboldt.edu
Subject: DJRD dance

> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:44:22 -0400
> From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com
> Subject: Re: Don Juan's skateless daughter
>
> <LOL.  Friends don't let friends post drunken dancing videos on You
> Tube.>
>
> I was afraid that the video was going to stray into the 'inappropriate'
> arena, but it didn't - dammit.

Yes, not great interpretive dance, but an attractive young woman....
For another side of the same dancer, watch her OTHER dance video -
to a track by Lil' Wayne. What people will do, and then POST, on the
internet.

Gus

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:33:08 -0700
From: "Cassy" <Siquomb@Comcast.net>
Subject: Herbie on Sundance

An upcoming episode of "Live from Abbey Road" - Season 2 Episode 2  features
Herbie Hancock and some segments of his Grammy winning CD.  Check Sundance
channel in your area for play dates and times but it looks like it could be
Thursday, 10 P.M.

http://www.sundancechannel.com/livefromabbeyroad#/episodes

Cassy

NP:  Mary J. Blige & Lil Kim - I Can Love You


If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ?

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:38:09 +0700
From: do9eatdo9@yahoo.com
Subject: ABBA, NJC

Is ABBA a guilty pleasure?

Rian
Who just returned after 2 weeks of computerless travel

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:10:53 -0400
From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com
Subject: Re: ABBA, NJC

Welcome back, Rian - I don't think that Abba is a guilty pleasure - 
internationally they are longtime superstars and the staying power of 
their music can easily be witnessed in the continued success of projects 
like "Mamma Mia!".

I've read a couple of articles about them in legit publications...while 
their music is sugary pop, it's high-quality pop and the band members had 
some pretty extensive credentials coming into this particular group.

Not my cup of tea - annoying to me in fact - but obviously one of the most 
popular groups of all time so who am I to argue with that?

Bob

NP: The Wood Brothers, "Fall Too Fast"
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:45:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: M C <mclea92@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:  Who says you can't dance to Joni?

For a minute I thought it was Sarah Silverman.

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:56:14 -0700
From: "Mark Scott" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: All I Intended To Be - New Emmylou njc

Has anyone else posted about Emmylou Harris's new cd?

I had some reservations when I heard that her former producer and 
ex-husband Brian Ahern had produced this latest effort.  Not that I 
dislike Emmylou's early 70s albums.  But I have been so much enchanted 
with the sound that Daniel Lanois created for her on 'Wrecking Ball' 
that I was afraid this might be a step backward.

I've only listened all the way through once but I do think this new 
one is a worthy effort.  There are still occasional echoes of that 
haunting, contemporary quality that her post-Wrecking Ball albums have 
had.  There are also one or two that might have fit quite comfortably 
on 'Elite Hotel' or 'Luxury Liner'.  But, overall, I think it's a 
worthy effort.  Some of the songs are penned by Emmylou with the 
McGarrigles.  You can't go completely wrong there.  There are also 
Tracy Chapman and Patty Griffin covers thrown in for good measure.

And I could still listen to this woman sing the phone book and love 
every note.  When you talk about honesty, Emmylou has a long history 
of displaying a remarkable ability to sing in a pure, beautiful, 
technically perfect (for her music, I ain't talking grand opera here) 
voice and yet communicate every word of a song as if she really, 
really meant it.

As far as performance is concerned, being able to communicate on that 
level is what I call honest.  More about that in a subsequent jc post 
that has been churning around in my head.

Mark in Seattle 

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:42:59 -0700
From: "Mark Scott" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Joni's most honest song (long)

I don't know what I would call Joni's most honest song but I love the 
way Jamie expressed his definition of Joni's honesty.  There are 
singers with spectacular voices that can bend, trill and embellish all 
over the place.  And I wouldn't give you 2 cents for any of their 
records because it sounds like it's all for show, to my ears.  Not an 
honest note in the song.  Just showing off.  Of course there are also 
singers blessed with beautiful instruments (for some reason Patsy 
Cline comes to mind, Annie Lennox is another, Ella Fitzgerald most 
certainly, oh and let's not forget Judy Garland!) who sing every word 
and phrase perfectly and make you believe it all.

Joni is a phenomenon, in my opinion.  She not only has the ability to 
write incredibly well-crafted songs that seem to be completely true to 
heart, she also has the ability to communicate those songs in 
performance in a way that makes you feel that she means and absolutely 
believes ever word she sings.  To me, that is the essence of Joni's 
'honesty'.

Joni was blessed with a remarkable vocal range when she was younger. 
Certainly some of her earlier material stretched her to the outer 
limits of that range.  But you never get the idea that she was doing 
it to show off.  Somehow her melodies fit so perfectly with her lyrics 
and both so suited her voice that it all sounded perfectly right and 
natural.

From the first album, Joni was telling stories in the 3rd person about 
other people or characters (Marcie, for instance).  But I don't think 
she had ever picked a character like the one in 'Raised on Robbery' 
before she wrote that song.  Most of her portraits were about people 
living a bohemian lifestyle as artists or musicians.  Or maybe they 
were written about a lover.

But in my mind 'Raised on Robbery' is about a raucous, blowsy, 
hustlin' woman trying to make a trick.  She's rough-edged and she's 
lived a rough life.  It's a new type of character for Joni and I think 
it opens the door for a few others.  Like the more complex character 
study in 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering' and the short but provocative 
'Sunny Sunday' about the woman who lives near the freeway and tries to 
shoot out a street light every night while she 'dodges the light like 
Blanche Dubois' during the day.  Joni was about 30 when Court and 
Spark was released and her life was vastly different from what it had 
been even 5 years before.  Her life experience had expanded 
significantly and her writing reflected that.

I think the music and delivery of 'Raised on Robbery' suit the subject 
matter perfectly.  Personally I love the song.  Joni rocks out and she 
does a fine job of it.  And in the context of the character she is 
creating and the story she is telling, it is all perfectly honest.

That being said, I have to say that I was very touched by Laura's post 
about this song and would like to thank her for her unflinching 
honesty in telling it.  I understand perfectly how certain of Joni's 
songs have a special significance to the individual listener.  There 
are certain Joni songs that bring particular associations to me that 
they would not bring to anybody else and most certainly have nothing 
to do with what Joni had in mind when she wrote them.  But that is 
another wonder about Joni's music.  We relate to it so strongly.  But 
it touches each of us in a different way.

Mark in Seattle

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" <jamiezubairi@gmail.com>


> Hi Monica
>
> She has mentioned what she means by honesty, it think 'Blue' is the 
> pinnacle
> of what she means - she mentions that 'Blue' "doesn't have a 
> dishonest note
> in it."
>
> She also mentioned that Charles Mingus was like her in that he could 
> sniff
> out when a performer is embellishing for embellishments sake and 
> isn't being
> honest. I think most of us Jonilistas can do that for the most part 
> but we
> don't think that were actually doing it.
>
> For Joni, I think when she writes, the words come through her, she 
> lets them
> flow so when she has to sing them, they come from the heart, from 
> the head.
>
> It is probably why Joni doesn't flutter about with her notes like 
> some
> performers, no vocal pyrotechnics, they are more or less straight 
> notes
> right until the end when she will vibrato. She will bend the note to 
> change
> the emotion perhaps or to modulate to another feeling, but it comes 
> from
> honesty and not showing off.
>
> That's my take on it!
>
> Much Joni
>
> Jamie Zoob
>
> 2008/8/9 Monika Bogdanowicz <motitan75@yahoo.com>
>
>>  I was browsing Joni earlier this week on the net as I sometimes do 
>> and
>> remember reading a particular comment about her music.  I can't 
>> remember
>> where
>> but it said that Joni "makes honest music."  Well, what constitutes 
>> as
>> honesty
>> in music?  What makes her music "honest?"  As a result, what would 
>> you say
>> is
>> Joni's most "honest" song by your definition?
>> -Monika, excited to be going to Vancouver on the 19th!

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:08:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jerry Notaro" <notaro@stpt.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: All I Intended To Be - New Emmylou njc

Mark,

I have the new Emmylou cd and love it.

Jerry

Mark Scott wrote:
> Has anyone else posted about Emmylou Harris's new cd?
>
> I had some reservations when I heard that her former producer and
> ex-husband Brian Ahern had produced this latest effort.  Not that I
> dislike Emmylou's early 70s albums.  But I have been so much enchanted
> with the sound that Daniel Lanois created for her on 'Wrecking Ball'
> that I was afraid this might be a step backward.
>
> I've only listened all the way through once but I do think this new
> one is a worthy effort.  There are still occasional echoes of that
> haunting, contemporary quality that her post-Wrecking Ball albums have
> had.  There are also one or two that might have fit quite comfortably
> on 'Elite Hotel' or 'Luxury Liner'.  But, overall, I think it's a
> worthy effort.  Some of the songs are penned by Emmylou with the
> McGarrigles.  You can't go completely wrong there.  There are also
> Tracy Chapman and Patty Griffin covers thrown in for good measure.
>
> And I could still listen to this woman sing the phone book and love
> every note.  When you talk about honesty, Emmylou has a long history
> of displaying a remarkable ability to sing in a pure, beautiful,
> technically perfect (for her music, I ain't talking grand opera here)
> voice and yet communicate every word of a song as if she really,
> really meant it.
>
> As far as performance is concerned, being able to communicate on that
> level is what I call honest.  More about that in a subsequent jc post
> that has been churning around in my head.
>
> Mark in Seattle

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:34:37 -0500
From: mia _ <hvnphun16@hotmail.com>
Subject: Meg Mundy - Joni's Twin?

Has anyone ever heard of this actress?  I was just watching an episode of
Alfred Hitchcock Presents -  The Orderly World of Mr. Appleby - which starred
Meg Mundy, and I couldn't help but notice how much she looks like Joni!
Cheekbones, mouth, nose, eyes, smile, stature.  Meg is from an older
generation than Joni, and in the episode I watched, she was purposely made up
to appear as a mousy woman, but underneath, I think she was still beautiful
and looked so much like Joni.  I could only find one picture of her on the
Internet from Wikipedia.  Apparently she has successfully kept her personal
life out of the spotlight.

Mia



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