From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #163 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 12 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 163 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Online guitar - NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Joni's most dishonest song [Laura Stanley ] RE: Jericho [Susan E McNamara ] RE: Joni's most dishonest song ["Anita Tedder" ] RE: a question for our librarians NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC Olympic Opening Ceremonies ["Lindsay Moon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:24:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Online guitar - NJC http://deeperbeige.com/site/silly/flash/flashguitar/flashguitar.html Not much good for Joni songs tho because you can't change the tuning! 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: Joni's most dishonest song Anita wrote: Having said that, my mind switched the other way to think about Joni's least honest song. I always hated 'Raised on Robbery' because I could just imagine Joni sitting down having been told to write a hit and coming up with that. It does suggest her love of rock n roll and dancing and it's a clever,fun lyric. Clever it is but honest it ain't (well, not to me, anyway). Hi Anita, Whoa.. Raised on Robbery! When I first heard Raised on Robbery, I was still a drunk. I thought the third verse was about my boyfriend and the rest of the song was about me even when I was dating him. One of my friends made gin her drink based on the song. It has always been a love/hate song for me because of the way I related yet didn't like relating because it was the truth about myself all up in my face... the glorified hell of a life as a drunk. You do whatever it takes to get what you need to support your addiction which ends up in "pitiful and incomprehensible demoralization." I was raised on robbery coming from a family of alcoholics who taught me that to lie, steal, and cheat was okay as long as it was clever and you didn't get caught. At high school graduation my classmates named me the #1 member of the Mt. St. Mary Maffia which I was proud of yet angry at them about because... they knew. When I was 16, I broke into 2 neighbor's houses and reaped the benefits of a third break-in my accomplice did to support our addiction problem. I stole from my parents, from my high school, and as I got older I stole from bars, guys in bars, and the hospital where I worked, and anywhere really. I stole from so many places that making amends now in sobriety has been a real challenge. The karma of it is recently, our house was broken into, and the one who the police are pretty much convinced did it is a 16 year old who used to be my oldest son's best friend. His robbery was to support his addiction problem. I hope I eventually get to share my experience, strength, and hope with him that I've gained in sobriety. Raised on Robbery is about dishonesty but is so blatantly honest about this dishonesty that the song still gets to me. It is a good reminder of what happens to me when I drink. For Joni to capture that and not be an alcoholic herself is really awesome. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:08:04 -0400 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: RE: Jericho I love this song, too. I have another take on where Joni got the reference, though. Joni loves old movies (there are so many references to characters from old movies in her songs, especially Shades of Scarlet Conquering). There is an old movie called "It Happened One Night" where Clark Gable and Claudette Colbert are hitch hiking together and they stay at this broken down motel and she insists on hanging up a blanket in between her and Clark so he doesn't look at her when she is dressing. He calls it the Walls of Jericho. Of course they fall in love and at the end of the movie there is a big joke about the walls of Jericho coming down. The theme of this movie, like the song, seems to be what happens when friends become lovers. It just seems more honest. Obviously it still refers to the biblical story. (Gable even blows a little plastic horn while the walls are coming down!) Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ http://www.jmdl.com/guitar http://www.cloudheights.blogspot.com "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:05:19 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Jericho Hello all. I really had a good listen to the lyrics of Jericho today and I realised that it's about friendship. Beautiful song. Now, I understand what Joni is trying to say but the Jericho eludes me. As a born and raised Atheist, I don't get Bible references but, I know it is something from the Bible (I've heard the term before). Is that a city? Maybe someone can explain the term, Jericho to me and why Joni used it as an analogy to friendship. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:37:59 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE: Joni's most dishonest song Hi again Laura! With all you have about where you were in your life at the time of the song and then summarised by saying: "Raised on Robbery is about dishonesty but is so blatantly honest about this dishonesty that the song still gets to me." I feel simply blown away! I can really see why it can be so important. What with your words today and David's take on RoR he wrote yesterday, it simply underlines how differently folk can view the same piece of work. Of course, it also reminds me of JM's outstanding brilliance in being able to produce such a huge volume of work of such diversity and depth. Out of interest for the take you and David have, I thought I must play RoR once again. I put it on but sadly, still hated the tune and the feel :(( However, I appreciated the lyric much, much more. I then thought about the impact Joni's work was having on people all over the world whom I never dreamed I would be able to contact! Thinking of you all those miles away and all those years ago in the USA Laura, finding so much in this song whilst I was sitting in my adolescent bedroom in England deriding Joni for selling out. Ah well, it has given me the chance again to think fondly of you, sigh about where all the time has gone and also be thankful that everyone can see things so differently. Makes life much more interesting. Love Anita _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 409 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:21:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: a question for our librarians NJC I'm having a discussion with someone who states that libraries pay a fee to the author of a books/dvd for each time someone borrows the material from the library- is this true? Kate [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:15:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: a question for our librarians NJC Thanks Richard! That is what I thought- it makes sense now- the person I was conversing with is from the UK. - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] It's not true in the U.S. In the U.K. there is a program to compensate authors called the "Public Lending Right": http://www.plr.uk.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:12:58 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: a question for our librarians NJC It's not true in the U.S. In the U.K. there is a program to compensate authors called the "Public Lending Right": http://www.plr.uk.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:22 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: a question for our librarians NJC I'm having a discussion with someone who states that libraries pay a fee to the author of a books/dvd for each time someone borrows the material from the library- is this true? Kate [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: a question for our librarians NJC Absolutely not. Jerry Kate Bennett wrote: > I'm having a discussion with someone who states that libraries pay a fee > to > the author of a books/dvd for each time someone borrows the material from > the library- is this true? > > > > Kate > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: a question for our librarians NJC And the payment in the U.K. is a national average of the loan, not for each time. As for video materials here in the U.S., libraries do pay a higher price for some non-feature films for public performance rights. Jerry Richard Flynn wrote: > It's not true in the U.S. > > In the U.K. there is a program to compensate authors called the "Public > Lending Right": > > http://www.plr.uk.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kate > Bennett > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:22 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: a question for our librarians NJC > > I'm having a discussion with someone who states that libraries pay a fee > to > the author of a books/dvd for each time someone borrows the material from > the library- is this true? > > > > Kate > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had > a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:43:27 -0400 From: "Bob Muller" Subject: Who says you can't dance to Joni? LOL - this is a hoot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAAKW3-2D-Q You'd think she would have: a. picked a top that didn't keep slipping away, b. picked a shorter song, c. started working the light pole in the corner And remember, just because you know how to upload videos on YouTube doesn't mean that you should. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "No Sunlight' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:07:02 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: NJC Olympic Opening Ceremonies <> As usual, I'm having trouble keeping up with everyone, but I did get to see the opening ceremonies (via DVR) on Saturday night. Man oh man, what an amazing spectacle!! When I see things like that, my mind races with, what must they have discussed about their vision at the beginning, how did the ideas come about, what made them "illustrate" a thought that way. Just fascinating. And I thought of Joni. I thought to myself I bet she would really enjoy the artistic display, the dancing, the colors, the ideas, the way they were executed . and then when there was one part where I swear all the dancers had on Issey Miyaki dresses! (Although he's Japanese so that doesn't make sense if it's produced by China). But seriously, it was a sight to behold. Lindsay ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #163 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------