From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #154 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 3 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 154 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- I don't know if this will work ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: Seeding of Summer Lawns ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Joni Mitchell Covers, Volume #103 [Bob Muller ] Re: Audio interview with Lloyd Whitesell [Bob Muller Subject: I don't know if this will work And I don't know if this has been shared But what a wonderful interview this was. If the link doesn't work just type Tavis Smiley and Joni Mitchell in YouTube. And forgive me if I'm duplicating this. It's just such a great interview. I think it's worth it ! With love - a little passion Oddmund Joni Mitchell interviewed by Tavis Smiley Joni Mitchell interviewed by Tavis Smiley 11/07 (c) 2008 YouTube, LLC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:35:42 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Seeding of Summer Lawns This didn't work the firrst time round, but since the link has been reposted I've been able to download it again. I used to have it on minidsic but that got stolen in Malaysia. Love it! Much Joni Jamie Zoob 2008/8/1 Mark Angelo > To everyone that was delighted in hearing Joni's demo of HOSL that Patti > alerted us to on the Big O / ROIO site - the tracks of which are no longer > available for download - you can still visit the following site which has > complete downloads available of the demos. > > The Seeding Of Summer Lawns > > I particularly like her rendition of Shades of Scarlett Conquering on the > piano with some chords that are either unusually minor to the extreme or > fumblings - knowing Joni they are probably intentional, and very > surprisingly Edith and The Kingpin - with just solo acoustic guitar and > some > overdubbing sounds very much like the heavily produced finalized version to > my ear. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re:Audio interview with Lloyd Whitesell Thanks for the link Bob... I enjoyed the interview. I am reading this book right now and really enjoying it in spite of its academic tone... I'm learning things about the music that I have never thought about before. But I do have to take issue with the authors position that an academic analysis has never been done before ... the Larry David Smith book I found to be such an analysis. The Smith book was more concerned with lyrical analysis but nonetheless analyzed the music from an academic perspective and avoided gossip. Although he never wrote a book the Jeffrey Pepper Rodgers articles are also very academic in nature. You know I avoided the Girls Like Us book because I was not interested in reading all the gossip, at least that's how I viewed it. I would much rather dive into an analysis of the art rather than the artist... although in Joni's case it's hard to separate the two. When Joni writes her own memoirs I will be there... signing off for now, Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:56:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Mitchell Covers, Volume #103 I may be as corny as Kansas in August, but there's nothing corny about this month's edition of Joni Mitchell covers, on the contrary it is a treasure chest full of shiny and in some cases rare gems. There are plenty of JMDL exclusives and not quite so many BSN's as last time around. Let me wave my Joni cover freak flag high for the following kind souls who contributed to this one: Monica (Holland) Ron Greer (missing in action) Dave Blackburn (guitarist/engineer extraordinaire) Here's where this month's Volume resides: http://tinyurl.com/646fah And here's what it consists of: 1. Theo Bleckmann & Ben Monder - Sunny Sunday: This one is a real treat...talk about stretching the possibilities of a song! Those of us who recall Theo's performance at Wall-to-Wall Joni at Symphony Space in NYC will remember the airy atmospheric feeling he gave there, and that same feel translates to this new age interpretation, as he & Ben Monder take one of Joni's shortest compositions and stretch it into a gorgeous, riveting flowing tour de force. 2. Lisa Hilton - Both Sides Now (alternate take): Lisa's 2007 album "The New York Sessions" featured two different piano instrumental takes on the franchise. This is the "alternate" take, which adds a longer intro and a little over a minute in length. Lisa hails from Southern California and offers up a lovely take on BSN with some nice keyboard fluorishes. 3. Damian Nixon - Edith And The Kingpin: 4. Damian Nixon - Harry's House/Centerpiece: 5. Damian Nixon - Coyote: 6. Damian Nixon - Amelia: I love these...Damian is Scottish with a lovely accent and is a talented vocalist/guitarist/studio engineer who self-produced these mid-70's deep tracks. I hooked up with Damian via YouTube and he gladly submitted these files to me - a JMDL exclusive! 7. Des'Ray - Both Sides Now: A little bit of Dutch blue-eyed (or is it green-eyed?) soul for you. A great original arrangement, and some soothing soprano sax as well. I love it when a recording stands out with an original sound, and this one certainly does. 8. Kate Hammett-Vaughan - The Fiddle And The Drum/Woodstock: Canadian jazz singer contributes yet another track to the canon, and like her previous entries, this peace medley (over 10 minutes long) is full of ambition and supported by excellent musical backing. Kate's voice has too much tremelo in it for my taste, plus she is slightly off-pitch at times, don't know if that's intentional (hunting for a blue note perhaps) but it grates on me a bit. 9. Emily Nyman - The Circle Game: Can't tell you too much about Emily...this is from her 2005 album "Memoirs". I do like it though, her voice has a deeper alto tone to it that I like, and the solo guitar is nice in its simplicity too. 10. Lance Buller & Stephanie Porter - Twisted: Jazz trumpeter Buller usually gives the mic to Stephanie but this time around he handles the vocals and takes a more casual, less frantic pace on the Gray-Ross classic. 11. Philip Moolman - Both Sides Now: South African vocalist Philip Moolman recorded the franchise back in 1994 and it has been hard to find, so thanks to Ron for his assistance - and it's well worth hearing. Philip has a pretty soft emoting tenor that suits the song very well. 12. Marie Little - Galleries: Marie has previously been a part of our Covers Gallery with her cover of "For Free" - this 1971 recording comes from her 'Factory Girl' album and is titled "Galleries" so it escaped my radar for awhile. Her take on it is much fuller than Joni's with an orchestral arrangement and backing. 13. Robin Adler & The Joni Band - Woodstock: Dave shared this awesome track with us a while back and I'm delighted to re-present it here as part of #103. Besides paying homage to Joni's compositional genius, there are many many other classic rock songs to be found here if you listen close enough. Having seen this band live, I can attest to their musicianship and immense talent, and this 14+ minute jam is a good sampler. Everyone is spot on and supportive of each other. It gives me goose bumps every time I hear it. Mr. Blackburn's axe skills are overcome only by his humility, so I'm delighted to shout out to the mountaintops just how good a musician he is. 14. Lisa Hilton - Both Sides Now: This is the shorter one. I know what you're thinkin'...."that darn Muller shortchanged us AGAIN, only 14 tracks this time around.... WAAAAAHHHH!". But not to worry ya crybaby, and wipe away the tears, I assure you this is a FULL CD's worth of Jumpin' Jivin' Joni, just a number of lengthy tracks this time through, that's all. Anyway. I hope you enjoy these as much as I do, and I'll be back for a re-visiting of Volume 29 in a couple weeks (before I head across the pond for Jonifest) and then again next month for a brand NEW edition (cue PP singing "See You In September"). Bob NP: Genesis, "Squonk" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Audio interview with Lloyd Whitesell Excellent points, David - I'm surprised that Lloyd is either unaware of or fails to acknowledge the Smith book which I found equally fascinating. Just this morning I was forging ahead with 'The Music Of Joni Mitchell', and he pointed out something I had never picked up on in "All I Want", with the words: "When I think of your kisses my mind see-saws Do you see - do you see - do you see how you hurt me baby" and right after using the word 'see-saw' she re-uses the word "see" in a back and forth see-saw fashion. Now I suppose it's purely suppositional that Joni INTENDED that effect, but I'm willing to bet she did know what she was doing there. Just something I had never considered. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Schoolchildren singing "Particle Man"" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:33:33 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Audio interview with Lloyd Whitesell ///and he pointed out something I had never picked up on in "All I Want", with the words: "When I think of your kisses my mind see-saws Do you see - do you see - do you see how you hurt me baby" and right after using the word 'see-saw' she re-uses the word "see" in a back and forth see-saw fashion. Now I suppose it's purely suppositional that Joni INTENDED that effect, but I'm willing to bet she did know what she was doing there. /// yes that's a good one... it seems so obvious now but I have never picked up on it either. My guess would be that Joni absolutely intended that effect, it's just too brilliant to be unintended. Although perhaps it was not a conscious intention but maybe the muse. When I read all the academic esoterica it seems amazing that Joni never really knew much of any of that, she was just writing the song... signing off for now, Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:23:26 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music (NJC) I find the premise idiotic, pretending to know who should stop making music. F__k that. There is a market function involved here, if the people stop paying, then it is a self regulating career-stopper. Otherwise, stay away from the venue if you don't like it. My perspective is based upon the fact that many musicians of all stripes have made great music after the age of 50. The catalog would be infinitely less rich if all post 50-year-old-musician music weren't there and producing their art. I want to hear what the Rolling Stones, Paul Simon, Buddy Guy, Joni Mitchell, Emmylou Harris, Eric Clapton and thousands of others have to say about their lives as they live and learn. Recent albums, since 2000, all made after they turned 50, by Bob Dylan, Emmylou Harris, Van Morrison, Steve Earle, Rodney Crowell, Joni Mitchell, Mark Knophler, Paul Simon, Rush and Neil Young, to name a few, have been amongst the best of their illustrious careers. I could go on with this thought, but I believe the point was made. I saw the Stones Tour of 2006 and they were simply great at what they do, they gave it their all, which was considerable. I was glad to have spent the $350 to be there, and they rocked harder than many of the younger bands that I have seen in the last ten years. I saw the Rush Tour a few weeks ago in Nampa, Idaho, and those guys nearly blew the joint down to the ground. I have seen Korn on tour with a bunch of similar bands and they didn't rock any harder that did Rush or the Stones. They were louder, but that doesn't mean more talented or more musical, just more deaf. One of the benefits to old rockers who never rust is the perspective that they can give to the twilight of one's years. This has not been part of the pop catalogue, even though blues and classical song have addressed some of the issues of aging and the wisdom that may come with it. Bob's "Time Out of Mind" is stunning statement on that place and frame of mind. It is certainly one of his best and the world would be diminished without that and albums such as "Shine". One only has to look at the opus of Andris Segovia, the majority of which was recorded after his 50th birthday to realize how bereft music as a whole would be without the creativity of musicians in their sunset years. Thanks for lettinmebemicelfagain, Bonneville Bruce About to rock the Free World on my pimped-out Telecaster ("but instead jamming with April and making music of his own which is fun, rewarding, and doesn't cost anything!" - Victor, I'm with ya there. BB) > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:07:40 -0400 > From: Victor Johnson > Subject: Re: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music (NJC) > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Lori Fye wrote: >> >> Not all SINGERS, mind you, but, imo, at a certain age most flat out >> rock-and-rollers should consider retiring gracefully, or going >> unplugged, or >> something ... anything but continue to try to flail around the >> stage like >> they're still 25 years old. >> > > I recently went and saw Rush aka Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil > Peart, all of whom are 55 years old. They looked/sounded as good or > better than they have ever sounded. They've always been completely > about the music and never did the flailing around the stage thing so > maybe that's why they are able to continue and create the amazing > show that is a live Rush concert. In other cases, I think you're > completely on target...I think it was last year or the year before, > in Atlanta, that Vince Neal of Motely Crue fell and pulled a muscle, > and had to crawl off the stage. Now that's just pathetic. > > Victor, not going tonight to the sold out Return to Forever show, or > to see She and Him, but instead jamming with April and making music > of his own which is fun, rewarding, and doesn't cost anything! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:02:03 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Tim McLean, Oh Canada! NJC Not sure why, but I am just haunted by the news of the young man who was murdered on that Greyhound bus as he was going home to be with his family in Edmonton, I believe.? So unbelievably tragic.? I watched an interview with his best friend who said they were saving their money to move to the mountains above British Columbia because they thought it was so beautiful there.? I'm thinking this is where Joni built her "For the Roses" stone house to get away from the craziness of this world. Such a heartbreaking story...Tim looked so full of life--like such a nice chap. Has anyone else been so affected by this latest senselessness?? What's the world coming to? Ken npimh?? "of the darkness in men's minds, what can you say that wasn't marked by history or the TV news today?" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #154 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------