From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #150 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 30 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 150 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Covers, Retro Edition #28 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni Covers, Retro Edition #28 NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Hawaii and JoniFests (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: guitar solo quiz (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: 10 artists who should stop making music [Susan E McNamara ] Guardian interview with Randy Newman [Coleen ] NJC Cuil.com [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Guardian interview with Randy Newman ["Cassy" ] RE: Hawaii and JoniFests (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: guitar solo quiz (njc)/ some disjointed thoughts [Em ] Re: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] NJC---Mark Angelo, where are you? ["T Peckham" ] Joni's Green Flag Song at Galway [Bob Muller ] Crete ["Phyliss Ward" ] Re: guitar solo quiz (njc)/ some disjointed thoughts ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:51:29 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Retro Edition #28 Just a few words on the retro covers. I've been so busy lately, I only recently got to listen to them. A big surprise for me was to see Margaret Roadknight in there. She is somewhat of a folk legend in this country. Something like Australia's answer to Joan Baez. Although she is a bit before my time, I didn't think she recorded any covers. Let alone a Joni song. She has always been a little on the grungy side but it's an adequate cover. I prefer Doug Ashdown's cover of Marcie though. Another fave is Peter Mulvey's cover of River. Very nice. Interesting to see that people cover the covers. More like Tom Rush's, Urge For Going and there is a cover of Judy Collins', BSN. What's with the Loaded Boxers? Bizarre. Loved the Gaffers', C&S. Very Sufjan Stevens. I also really liked June Tabor's, Fiddle and The Drum. This is live? I couldn't hear any audience noise. Thanks again, Bob, for allowing those of us who missed out on the first batches to catch up. Mark in Sydney NP Forest - Peter Gabriel featuring Hukwe Zawose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:09:31 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Starbucks In Trouble This is tenuous Joni content but it was just announced on tonight's news that Starbucks Australia will close 61 of its 84 Australian stores. There was no solid reason given but the company closed all of its stores today to give the bad news to its employees at Darling Harbour. They said they will concentrate its business on the stores left in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. I'm still not sure if Joni's album, Shine is sold through Starbucks in Australia but it is available through many other sources so, it should not effect sales. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:31:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) Never heard 'Roundabout'? Never heard 'Walk This Way'? Never heard 'Comfortably Numb'? WTF? Bob, doing some serious head-scratching NP: Weird Al Yankovic, "The Hot Rocks Polka" (hilarious Rolling Stones cover medley) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Bob NP: Springsteen, "You'll Be Comin' Down" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Though SF isn't too shabby! > > > >> Sigh! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: guitar solo quiz (njc) 16/16 for me too! - -M On Jul 28, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > http://mentalfloss.com/quiz/quiz.php?q=68 > > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "Shiny Things" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:49:58 -0400 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: RE: 10 artists who should stop making music Or 1 writer who should stop making lists. (I f-ing hate lists, and I think they know people will read them if they put Joni or the stones or the who on them because they know they are still well loved). Bite me dude. sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ http://www.jmdl.com/guitar http://www.cloudheights.blogspot.com "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:52:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: RE: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music You're absolutely right in that. The book, overall, was a good read and an interesting interpretation of Joni's work. But, yes, the last chapter was not needed. It was supposed to be about C&S---the dissection of it, if you may and he throws all that in the last chapter seemingly just to get it out there. If you're writing a review on an album, talk about that album alone. I even object to some of his writing on the albums prior to C&S. Some of the album prior, I think, he just wanted to praise as well rather than add any connection between them and C&S. However, it seems like he thought the albums prior to C&S were in a way leading up to C&S but no need to review them when you're writing a book on one particular album. I'd also disagree on some aspects of Blue or FTR leading up to C&S....there may be similarities (of course, they're written by the same person) but I would object to certain connections made.... - -Mon - --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: I enjoyed the book, but I was puzzled by the last chapter or so when he basically used his praise of C&S (nothing wrong with that to be sure) as proof of why everything she did after that sucked. I didn't see any point in that part in the context of what the topic of the book was supposed to be. Bob NP: The Postal Service, "We Will Become Silhouettes" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:09:51 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) Nope. I had of course heard of but never listened to those metal bands, and I never cared for Yes or Pink Floyd. I looked up AC/DC on Wikipedia and see that their first album was in 1975. In 1975 besides Hissing of Summer Lawns Joni, I was listening to Bonnie Raitt, Little Feat, Springsteen, Emmylou Harris, Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt. Neither metal nor disco appealed to me and it wasn't until 1977-78 that I discovered new rock music that I liked: Talking Heads, Sex Pistols, Patti Smith, Television, Elvis Costello, etc. I never listened to top 40 radio because DC was blessed with WHFS: "Home Grown Radio" where DJs didn't have a playlist. So I honestly couldn't identify the solos by song title even if I could a.) get the audio working and indeed hear them or b.) recognize them. I couldn't hum a bar of any of the songs you mention below. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:32 AM To: Richard Flynn Cc: 'Joni people!'; 'Victor Johnson' Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) Never heard 'Roundabout'? Never heard 'Walk This Way'? Never heard 'Comfortably Numb'? WTF? Bob, doing some serious head-scratching NP: Weird Al Yankovic, "The Hot Rocks Polka" (hilarious Rolling Stones cover medley) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Another surprising comment from the writer of the article was this: On the close-knit, overheated circuit of singer-songwriters in Los Angeles during the late 60s and early 70s, Newman was the outsider, the man who watched several of his peers - Joni Mitchell, Linda Ronstadt, Neil Young - reap millions, while his own career followed a more quixotic, cultish path. Excuse me? Linda Ronstadt? A peer?! That may be the most ridiculous thing I've read this year. (At least in the music category.) I was a huge fan of Randy's back in high school and was completely alone in my devotion. No one I knew seemed to get him. He lost me in later years with his movie theme songs, but hey, a guy's gotta make a living. The article makes much of the fact that he's comfortable with his level of success but I think there's a bit of jealousy lurking inside. http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/jul/28/popandrock.usa?gusrc=arss&feed=worldnews Coleen np - It's Not - Aimee Mann ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:33:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC Cuil.com I finally tried out the new search engine Cuil.com. The jury's still out, but I did a couple of searches......Joni of course, and I liked it. I like the way you can start typing in your search and it brings up some possible words that you're typing in. I even did a search for Bob Muller and Joni Mitchell, and there were a zillion hits. Are you her manager now, Bob? hehehe Jimmy in rainy Florida ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:40:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) That's the saddest thing I'll read all day, I'm sure - but I dig where you're coming from and to each his own. I've never been one to want to dismiss an entire genre, so there's disco that I like and disco I don't like, folk I like and folk I don't like, metal I like and metal I don't like and so on. As for radio, I was also fortunate to have a couple of college radio stations (from NC State, UNC & Duke as well as a jazz station from Shaw) and an AOR FM station 94FM WQDR that played an eclectic list of stuff, and one of their DJ's- Jolie - was a HUGE Joni fan and she was the one who exposed me to most of Joni's deeper catalogue (and she loved DJRD). I also remember WSHS, which was the "radio station" that played in my high school cafeteria. Ron Phillips (who would go on to DJ at WQDR for a long spell) played "Roundabout" and Joni's "Help Me" practically every day. And it seems that every party I went to in that period was playing the heck out "Walk This Way". And I also remember a high school dance where they played Roundabout - pretty comical watching people trying to dance to that one. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Boo-Wah" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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OK I just googled & watched a video of Yes doing it. I honestly don't recognize it. I don't particularly care for it. I never liked all that improvisatory noodling of much progressive rock, which is odd since I have long listened to some pretty far out jazz. I mean, I went to see Ornette Coleman and Sun Ra. OK, so now I sound dismissive even if I don't mean to be. From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:41 AM To: Richard Flynn Cc: 'Joni people!'; 'Victor Johnson' Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) That's the saddest thing I'll read all day, I'm sure - but I dig where you're coming from and to each his own. I've never been one to want to dismiss an entire genre, so there's disco that I like and disco I don't like, folk I like and folk I don't like, metal I like and metal I don't like and so on. As for radio, I was also fortunate to have a couple of college radio stations (from NC State, UNC & Duke as well as a jazz station from Shaw) and an AOR FM station 94FM WQDR that played an eclectic list of stuff, and one of their DJ's- Jolie - was a HUGE Joni fan and she was the one who exposed me to most of Joni's deeper catalogue (and she loved DJRD). I also remember WSHS, which was the "radio station" that played in my high school cafeteria. Ron Phillips (who would go on to DJ at WQDR for a long spell) played "Roundabout" and Joni's "Help Me" practically every day. And it seems that every party I went to in that period was playing the heck out "Walk This Way". And I also remember a high school dance where they played Roundabout - pretty comical watching people trying to dance to that one. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Boo-Wah" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Of course the fact that he writes for kids movies has brought him more mainstream and I still don't like his stuff. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:52:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Hawaii and JoniFests (njc) And neither is santa ynez (even though I'm not vacationing) where summer is perfectly lovely at the moment, not too hot, & abundant with the most delicious apricots, peaches, raspberries, blackberries, corn & tomatoes & there are baby horses in every field frolicking! Life is good... Victor..Triple sigh...though I will be hitting the beach in Sarasota next week, which isn't too shabby either!,, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc)/ some disjointed thoughts I was 15/16 that year and I cheerfully admit I dismissed the entire genre. I liked Aerosmith's 1st single and after that it didn't seem to taste good. As for AC-DC - no temptation to even go there. Guess my brain got stuck on Zeppelin and the good Deep Purple stuff. For instance, in that movie "Almost Famous" - that was supposed to be around '73 or so, I think. Wondering, would those groupies (or whatever it was they preferred to be called) would they go on to do that same thing with AC-DC???? Or would that have been a wholely different group of groupies? like groupies with no taste... (please laugh) Sorry for my unclear thoughts...I'm just sketching here, kind of... I had slightly older friends at the time and we listened to stuff like what Richard said he was into around that time. I liked YES alot though. That was some of the best stuff (I thought) on the mainstream a.m radio. There's some kind of "cut off" right at around 1975 with regard to rock. (unless of course Neil Young was doing it) Can't quite figure out what it is, or was. I bet Cameron Crowe could help me figure it out. Something degraded around that time. Or it sure seems that way. Was time, after that, to listen to singer-songwriters on the underground radio for sustenance. And southern rock, and Elton, still, for a couple more years. sigh... EM - --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Richard Flynn wrote: From: Richard Flynn Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: "'Joni people!'" , "'Victor Johnson'" Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:25 AM I didn't dismiss the entire genre. I just said I didn't listen to that stuff. I was 20 in 1975, and so probably was just too old & set in my ways to appreciate AC/DC and Aerosmith. (The Wikipedia tells me that the latter group "broke into the mainstream" in 1975 with "Toys in the Attic.) Who did "Roundabout"? OK I just googled & watched a video of Yes doing it. I honestly don't recognize it. I don't particularly care for it. I never liked all that improvisatory noodling of much progressive rock, which is odd since I have long listened to some pretty far out jazz. I mean, I went to see Ornette Coleman and Sun Ra. OK, so now I sound dismissive even if I don't mean to be. From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:41 AM To: Richard Flynn Cc: 'Joni people!'; 'Victor Johnson' Subject: RE: guitar solo quiz (njc) That's the saddest thing I'll read all day, I'm sure - but I dig where you're coming from and to each his own. I've never been one to want to dismiss an entire genre, so there's disco that I like and disco I don't like, folk I like and folk I don't like, metal I like and metal I don't like and so on. As for radio, I was also fortunate to have a couple of college radio stations (from NC State, UNC & Duke as well as a jazz station from Shaw) and an AOR FM station 94FM WQDR that played an eclectic list of stuff, and one of their DJ's- Jolie - was a HUGE Joni fan and she was the one who exposed me to most of Joni's deeper catalogue (and she loved DJRD). I also remember WSHS, which was the "radio station" that played in my high school cafeteria. Ron Phillips (who would go on to DJ at WQDR for a long spell) played "Roundabout" and Joni's "Help Me" practically every day. And it seems that every party I went to in that period was playing the heck out "Walk This Way". And I also remember a high school dance where they played Roundabout - pretty comical watching people trying to dance to that one. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Boo-Wah" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I'm sure that AC/DC never lacked for groupies if they were looking for them. Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Life Is Hard" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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His performance was an absolute embarrassment, for him and for the audience. I kept thinking, "I PAID to watch this??????" I mostly agree with Grace Slick, who has had the grace (pun intended) to stop singing and focus instead on her painting, when she said: "All rock-and-rollers over the age of 50 look stupid and should retire." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Slick#Semi-retired_life Not all SINGERS, mind you, but, imo, at a certain age most flat out rock-and-rollers should consider retiring gracefully, or going unplugged, or something ... anything but continue to try to flail around the stage like they're still 25 years old. Curmudgeonly yours, Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:07:40 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music (NJC) On Jul 29, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > > Not all SINGERS, mind you, but, imo, at a certain age most flat out > rock-and-rollers should consider retiring gracefully, or going > unplugged, or > something ... anything but continue to try to flail around the > stage like > they're still 25 years old. > I recently went and saw Rush aka Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart, all of whom are 55 years old. They looked/sounded as good or better than they have ever sounded. They've always been completely about the music and never did the flailing around the stage thing so maybe that's why they are able to continue and create the amazing show that is a live Rush concert. In other cases, I think you're completely on target...I think it was last year or the year before, in Atlanta, that Vince Neal of Motely Crue fell and pulled a muscle, and had to crawl off the stage. Now that's just pathetic. Victor, not going tonight to the sold out Return to Forever show, or to see She and Him, but instead jamming with April and making music of his own which is fun, rewarding, and doesn't cost anything! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:57:04 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: NJC On Wisconsin! On 7/28/08, Bob wrote: > > > > "I have...I have family in Madison - VERY cool college town." > Yep, if I have to live in Wisconsin, the near eastside of Madtown is the place to be. ;-) "And about 6 years ago I flew up there to expedite some Stainless Steel > vessels being manufactured in Tomahawk, WI. We went bowling and drank beer > out of Budweiser bottles shaped like bowling pins, hadn't seen those > before." > omigod, Tomahawk! The one (and thankfully only) time I've ever been there was when our agent sent my band on a Northern Wisconsin Winter Bowling Alley Tour (to be surpassed only by the following Summer Iowa Pork 'n' Flies Tour) and some locals siphoned the gas out of our truck at about 20 below zero. Not pretty. I think they took exception to the fact that we refused to play any Skynyrd or polkas. Now if you'd driven up Hwy. 51 a piece, you'd have run into the town of Minocqua, where there was a bait 'n' tackle/grocery/souvenir store where one could View the Giant Muskie. Always a highlight of our summer "resort" gigs there. > " On the way back to the airport we stopped at a little farm store that > was selling cheese curds in a bag. They weren't coated or fried, just raw > curds - yum!" > There's an airport up there?!?!?? And yes, skweeky fresh cheese curds--nothing like 'em! > Bob > > NP: Tom Waits, "Lucinda" from his recent Atlanta concert...Victor and > others, look on the NPR All Songs considered website, they will be posting > this entire 2 hour+ concert in its entirety tomorrow! > THANKS for the heads-up on this--I didn't even know about this NPR website. Terra > > > > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:05:04 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: NJC---Mark Angelo, where are you? I haven't seen him on the list for over a month. :-( Anyone? Terra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni's Green Flag Song at Galway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkAEn1HHSA This guy videotaped the exhibit and set it to Joni...kudos to him for including "Strong and Wrong"...and "Fiction"....this guy is a true fan. Bob NP: Joni, "Strong & Wrong" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:38:25 -0400 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: Crete Hi All, I've de-lurked to let you know that I'm fortunate enough to have booked a cruise this fall which stops in Crete, Greece for a day. If anyone has insight into how I might follow Joni's steps while there, it would be much appreciated. I have no idea what might remain from back in the day... Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:02:27 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: guitar solo quiz (njc)/ some disjointed thoughts From: > "Back In Black" is EASILY one of my desert island discs. Irresistable > production by Mutt (Mr. Shania Twain) Lange EX Mr. Shania Twain as they recently split~too bad you are with Joni now, Bub! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:29:35 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music From: "T Peckham" > > Erm, much as I've enjoyed the discussion about title copyright, I > must point > out that Nelson writes for a newspaper called "The Stranger" in > Seattle. > (Hence my comment that the Seattle-ites on the list might be > familiar with > his scribbling.) :-) > Terra Hi Terra, I can't say that I am familiar with the author of this bogus list (I'm ashamed to admit it but I haven't read his 33 1/3 book about 'Court and Spark') but the style of writing is in keeping with the publication known as 'The Stranger' which started as a free 'alternative newspaper'. However, it has evolved into a more mainstream affair. Some of you may have heard of Dan Savage. He writes a fairly randy sexual advice column and has published at least one book. He is now the editorial director of 'The Stranger'. 'The Stranger' still has a bit of an irreverant edge to it which is in keeping with the style of the 'list' in question. It is also still free. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:25:37 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: NJC---Mark Angelo, where are you? Hi Terra, I'm still around...thanks for asking. I suppose I've retreated to my Two Grey Room Fortress with the gate locked and the moat filled with "alligators gnashing at me" - this is the swamp err I mean Florida after all. I try to keep up with some of the comments on the list ... however no "thunderheads of judgment gathering in my gaze" for some time in regards to Joni's music...and I feel I need to read *ugh I'm SUCH a slow reader* some of the tomes such as "The Music of Joni Mitchell" before chiming in on more of her music and lyrics. Thank you so much Bob for that download of Joni's wonderful Minneapolis performance. Also Patti for that link to "The Seeding of Summer Lawns". I just LOVED Joni's performance of that album solo with her guitar or piano. Unfortunately I could only play the songs on my iMac, not download them and the MP3's are disabled for now. I wonder if this was a PC/Mac issue?? It was truly awesome, an experience not dissimilar to listening to her play DED solo without the heavy production. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:05 PM, T Peckham wrote: > I haven't seen him on the list for over a month. :-( Anyone? > Terra > - -- - -Mark in Florida ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:28:18 -0700 From: Subject: NJC Re: Re: 10 Artists Who Should Stop Making Music I would add a top 100 artists, namely the top 100 artists that have started in the last 8 years None of the will last more than 10 years at the top Entertainment Weekly,s Next best 100 for music was farcicle George Michael at number 100 sorry the real reason Record shops are going out of buisness is that nobody cares about todays artists its all background muzac, download a song here download a song there /// delete !!! Sorry Lol musically Im just an old guy from the Seventies ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:19:31 -0400 From: Vince Subject: Re: NJC Cuil.com I did a few searches and they were all woefully lacking. Articles for the White Sox came up with Red Sox links - that is a bit of a no-no. Vince On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:52 AM, wrote: > there were a zillion hits. Are you her manager now, Bob?> > > Dancing clown. > > Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #150 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------