From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 26 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 146 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: clouds or bsn? [David Eoll ] Re: clouds or bsn? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] And In Walked Bud...I mean, Giselle (njc) [Victor Johnson ] NJC re: Jay Brannan ["Richard Goldman" ] Re: Death and funeral music, njc ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Death and funeral music, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: And In Walked Bud...I mean, Giselle (njc) [Bob Muller ] Re: Death and funeral music, njc [Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: clouds or bsn? > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: Correction > > My oh my - it's a hot summer's day in Sweden and my brain is drying out. But > I'm sure you realize I meant BSN. The song was sometimes called Clouds. I think David Crosby actually insisted on calling it that. So its really no mistake. :) I think Joni discussed this on one of the Early Joni recordings that Bob provided a few months back. Or maybe I just read it somewhere. Cheers, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:56:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: clouds or bsn? Dave van Ronk was the guy who always said that Joni mis-titled the song, and would introduce it as "Clouds". As for me, I'm VERY glad that she stuck with BSN for the title, makes searching for covers a lot easier. Happy Friday y'all - I'm planning to put some live Joni up on YouSendIt this weekend, haven't made up my mind yet as to which one. Bob NP: Joni, "Song For Sharon" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:20:28 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: And In Walked Bud...I mean, Giselle (njc) Last night my band, Sons of Sons, played at Moonshadow Tavern in conjunction w/ a songwriter's night and I was delighted to run into Gisele. When she walked in she saw me playing on the stage and couldn't believe it. Apparently she is friends with several people I know, who have played with some of my best friends. I knew she was living in Atlanta but had not run into her until know. I hope to get together soon and do some jamming! The band is really starting to gel and get hot. We need to get on a more regular practice schedule but the songs are really starting to take on their own nuances and shape. We're looking to get into a studio soon and make a four song demo. This morning I went to an estate sale and picked up some mint vinyl. Although I know next to nothing about him, I snagged 7 Harry Chapin albums, one of which I'm listening to now. He has a very nice sound. I'm looking forward to learning more about his music. Up till now I had only heard "Cat's in the Cradle" and "Circle". Also got another copy of "Blue" and Roberta Flack "Killing Me Softly". Doing Kirtan singing again tonight with April. Victor NP: Harry Chapin "And the Baby Never Cries" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags Subject: re: funeral music NJC They sang "Be not afraid" at my mother's funeral too and I'll always remember that whenever I hear that song. hey Cat, that's a beautiful song and a wonderful tribute to your Mum. A touching memory to have and to hold. Ive been to a couple of funerals that utilised that song, nary a dry eye in the house. At one of aforementioned services, an aunt of the young girl who died, told the story which I think is entitled There She Goes. The girl is compared to a sailing ship, and everyone who loves her is standing on the shore, watching her go. Waving, heaving hearts. Ragged grief.Then, the story continues on and finally, there is another shore, where, standing, is a whole nother group of people who love her, and they are cheering and waving because she's finally coming home to them. (wherever that may be). It's a beautiful gift to give in those impossible moments of suffering. at my brother's funeral, they had created a selection of his favourite songs, songs from our teenagedom, which Dave continued to love all of his life. Sunshine on my shoulders, a bunch of Gordon Lightfoot. While emotions came crashing in at the time, in the now, it's wonderful to hear those songs almost five years later, (who knows where the time goes) from a steadier footing. In those moments of funeral fog, it seemed the songs were giving voice to our collective grief... come back, come back.. Heart wrenching stuff, and in the now, Ive turned a page as to how I grieve for him. recently, someone was talking about cemetaries and cremation. For some reason, I never would have thought that Dave would be cremated, but he was. My last memory of his funeral is standing on the stairs of the church, clutching desperate helplessness, the funeral car took his body away. Gone.. Crash into me. Some time passed, and I was back in Ontario, tried to find the cemetary where he was placed, in some kind of container, and then stuffed in a hole in a wall. I had lived in the area for 12 years, and no bloody thanks to the paved paradise, with all the new divisions and subdivisions on ancient farm land, I had lost my bearings. Persistance won out in the end, and I found my self rolling into the cemetary that used to be surrounded by fields of gold, literally and metaphorically. The area in the cemetary that houses his remains, well, it's tucked away, and there's a view of coniferous trees. No where to grow his beloved marigolds, pansies, and the forget-me-nots, which I recently discovered were the last flowers he planted in his garden, days prior to his leaving this earth, as he was. Since I have the land to do so, Ive now become a constant gardener, and have made a memorial garden for him, a healing place if there ever was one . Wonderful english succulents, affectionately known as hens and chicks. They remind me of stars, and Dave remains, to me, a star in my life. Someone found a little football (aka soccer ball ) to add to the mix, as well as a beer cap, NewCastle Brown Ale. , some colourful marbles, as many of my finest memories are of watching Dave play alleys with his mates in the back yard. And so much of his life was about football (soccer) , be that playing, coaching, reffing. In fact, he was en route to picking up his daughter , he the coach, she one of his star players, when he died. . the silence, the devastation, the finality, there's no going back now. So Ive been able to rebuild some of the bits and shards of my shattered heart, my pieces of grief I feel into a living breathing place where I can feel happy and proud to have known him all the years that I did. Signifiers all round. Canada geese sing his praises. funerals in this culture are hidden away. and consequently, grief is swept into a corner because it's too hard, raw, ugly for anyone to hold onto for too long. so the story goes. i'm editing a book, a compendium, a continuum, as it were, of the shapes and colours of grief. one day it will be published, i just need to figure out where the grave is. Mags stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone prevent the dog from barking with a juicy bone, silence the pianos and with muffled drum bring out the coffin, let the mourners come Let aeroplanes circle moaning over head Scribbling on the sky the message He Is Dead Put crepe bows round the white necks of the public doves, Let the traffic policemen wear black cotton gloves. He was my North, my South, my East and West My working week and my Sunday rest My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song I thought that love would last for ever: I was wrong. The stars are not wanted now: put out every one; Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun; Pour away the ocean and sweep up the wood For nothing now can ever come to any good. W.H. Auden .. i exist as i am, that is enough ~walt whitman~ __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more.... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:33:41 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: NJC re: Jay Brannan OK, let me just say this kid was delightful to see and hear.First of all, the club was packed, well over 100 queer boyz, (and some girlz and one very tall blonde drag queen) of all ages, mostly 20-30 somethings.. a few older too. For us locals and club-regulars, we hardly recognized anyone, which is odd, and it felt like we were in a different city, except for the tangy scent of smoke in the air, and the rambunctious audience. Jay's first ever time in San Francisco. Aw... he is such a cutie! so funny and, he had the audience in the palm of his hand from first taking the stage, solo, with his guitar. Great vocals, very clever lyrics and delivery. Some folks sang or hummed along to some songs, he was that familiar to a large part of the audience, who were rousing in their appreciation. Joni's "All I Want" was done on guitar with a capo (not dulcimer) and was nearly chord-perfect, and very nearly pitch perfect. It was a very fitting cover for this talented and very self-effacing yet confident young man. It just amazed me, what a following he has already, never having even set foot in SF. He interacts with audience and his banter is hilarious. You just can't help liking him. And so great to have this gay sensibility and a huge fan following ... we've come a long way, baby. I got the new CD, and it's great. He's all over youtube, myspace, facebook, etc etc etc, and he says we should be too! ha! My 2". ~Richard ======= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:56:00 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC re: Jay Brannan It's good to hear that he is playing live. I got my hands on some tracks of his and liked them. Plus he is very pretty (which is not at all relevant to his music, but he really is very nice to look at) . I would love to hear his take on All I Want. Shortbus is good, Richard, not at all what i expected. GARRET On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Richard Goldman wrote: > Thanks David, > Friends and I are going tonight here in San Francisco, a little club in > Potero Hill called Bottom of The Hill. > Jay was in the film SHORTBUS, by John Cameron Mitchell, if you haven't seen that, you all need to. It's brilliant. > Now I'm excited, not only because he sang a Joni song, but because someone > other than us has actually heard of him and went to see him and liked him. > > How was the opener, Annie Strela? She is the opener, right ? > > ~Richard > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:03:27 -0700 > From: David Marine > Subject: Jay Brannan NJC > > Hey List, > > I just saw jay Brannan at the El Rey in Los Angeles. He will be > playing the bay area tomorrow (Wednesday), and continue up the coast. > I knew little of his music before, but the show was great, and > included a fantastic cover of "All I Want". For those who might want > to check him out, he has a lot of videos on youtube. Anyway, heads up > to those on the west coast who might want to see him perform. > > Best, > > David - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:16:36 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Death and funeral music, njc Jennifer wrote: > I think it's neat that Courtney Love had a third of > Kurt Cobain's ashes put inside a teddy bear for > their daughter. It is a neat idea, but I hope there's some sort of barrier inside that keeps the ashes from sifting out if the teddy is squeezed too hard. Ya know? Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:48:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Death and funeral music, njc Did you all see the story about the daughter interning at Rolling Stone. Seems like she is being treated quite royally. And boy does she have his eyes! Jerry > Jennifer wrote: > >> I think it's neat that Courtney Love had a third of >> Kurt Cobain's ashes put inside a teddy bear for >> their daughter. > > It is a neat idea, but I hope there's some sort of barrier inside that keeps > the ashes from sifting out if the teddy is squeezed too hard. > > Ya know? > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: And In Walked Bud...I mean, Giselle (njc) He was a fine songwriter, no doubt about it..."Taxi", "WOLD" and "Cat's Cradle" were some of his more familiar titles. My sister was a HUGE fan, had all his records and saw him in a venue so small that he just ended up sitting at the edge of the edge of the stage, talking to the crowd and playing songs. Jan's favorite was "30,000 pounds of bananas". His early death in a car crash was very tragic. He shared a stage with Joni as part of The Chapins when they appeared together on Oscar Brand's Canadian Folk TV Show "Sing Out". Bob NP: Mike Doughty, "Language Barrier" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: clouds or bsn? I'm glad she stuck with "Both Sides Now" for the title as well. "Clouds" isn't a good title for the song in my opinion. It gives a notion of it all being too fluffy and happy and in a sense flakey. Both Sides Now fits much moreso and has a certain level of depth and Philosophy in it I think which represents the song more. - -M - --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Dave van Ronk was the guy who always said that Joni mis-titled the song, and would introduce it as "Clouds". As for me, I'm VERY glad that she stuck with BSN for the title, makes searching for covers a lot easier. Happy Friday y'all - I'm planning to put some live Joni up on YouSendIt this weekend, haven't made up my mind yet as to which one. Bob NP: Joni, "Song For Sharon" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Death and funeral music, njc I think music would indeed add a nice touch to a funeral. Music, in my opinion, is life. I can't even imagine what life would be say if I was literally forced to be cut off from music--no guitar, no cds, no radio, nothing. I don't think I could live and I'm being completely honest about that. Anyway, I've never been to a funeral where they played music. It would be thoughtful I suppose but then again I don't particularly like going to funerals. They are absolutely wonderful for the people involved to cherish the memories of whoever it is that passed but they are hard to handle. I've been to a handful of funerals and don't like the idea of attending more. Death is difficult. That is all I can say on that without being too personal. My first brush with death (or more or less someone dying I mean) was at about age 7 or so. I had a cousin who unfortunately, very unfortunately, passed away from a brain tumor at age 12. At the time, the funeral itself wasn't hard to handle because I was only a child. The most I could process then was that I would never see him again. He was gone. One day I saw him and the next he was gone. Where or why, I didn't know and didn't really analyze. I still remember two things very vividly from that funeral though. I remember touching my cousin's hand and he was so, so cold. That is a very strong memory. I also remember my Aunt crying her eyes out, literally screaming. Man, I still remember that.. Not a good memory..... - -M ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #146 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------