From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #143 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 23 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 143 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Death and Funeral music NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: Death and Funeral music NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Death and Funeral music NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Death and Funeral music NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] candi staton njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: candi staton njc [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: candi staton njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: candi staton njc [Victor Johnson ] Re: candi staton njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Summer of Love gig (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: candi staton njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Death and Funeral music [David Eoll ] Re: Death and Funeral music NJC ["gene" ] re: joni songs for special occasions [Catherine McKay ] Re: Death and Funeral music [Bob Muller ] Re: Death and Funeral music [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:07:26 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: Death and Funeral music NJC I do not know which 'song' (with lyrics) I would choose for my farewell ceremony but I wish to be cremated (funerals are for losers ;-p). I have many times mentioned to my significant others that I would like to have my ashes scattered to the sound of Carlos Santana's 'Song of the Wind'. Now trying to think about a poem to help things along. Maybe R.S. Thomas' 'Epitaph': "The poem in the rock and the poem in the mind are not one. It was in dying I tried to make them so". Maybe not. mike in bcn NP Marvin Gaye and Kim Weston: It takes two ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:51:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Death and Funeral music NJC Funerals & Cremation are mutually exclusive. I intend to be cremated (after they farm my dead body for any usable organs) and I also intend to have a funeral/memorial service. It's meaningful for everyone involved and helps with closure. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "If I Should Fall Behind" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:13:25 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Death and Funeral music NJC then maybe I should have said 'burial' instead of 'funeral'. I want(ed) to avoid a 'place' where people could come occasionally and remember me. If people care to remember me at all, I'd prefer them not to have to go to a specific place to do so. The idea of the cremation and the wind and 'the song of the wind' was to make the point that I (or at least my ashes) would be nowhere and everywhere. I agree about the importance of closure, but don't want to confuse closure with periodic 'obligations' to clean up the grave or take flowers etc. mike NP Owen Duff - Constellation (hey this is real good, listen to it if you haven't already). I wonder if OD was a Stackridge fan... 2008/7/22 : > > > > Funerals & Cremation are mutually exclusive. I intend to be cremated (after > they farm my dead body for any usable organs) and I also intend to have a > funeral/memorial service. It's meaningful for everyone involved and helps > with closure. > > Bob > > NP: Bruce Springsteen, "If I Should Fall Behind" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Bob NP: Jimi Hendrix Experience, "Fire" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:17:13 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: candi staton njc The chasm between the black and white (and I use those terms loosely and under duress for identifying purposes only) communities and music, at least in the sixties and seventies and in my experience, was wide and much more profound than I imagined. I grew up in Eastern New Mexico and mostly in the Texas Panhandle. We always had some kind of music playing from the radio or some other source. During the days the stations we heard were from Amarillo or Lubbock or even Clovis. At night the only thing we could get was KOMA from Oklahoma City. I was the youngest of six and all the olders had different favorites in their choices of music so I thought I heard most everything. Apparently the majority white population and the dj's at those stations were pretty selective in what they played to us. I am a big Candi Staton fan. Adore her music. Didn't hear of her until the 70's during the disco craze. I always thought she was a very talented woman that had been stuck in obscurity somewhere and suddenly shot out during those days. I thought to myself that she was similar to Gladys Knight but had much inferior material, backup, and management. Over the years have searched for more from her and found very little. Last week while perusing those music charts kept seeing her name and didn't recognize even one of the tunes, all from the sixties. I decided to do what I have done in the past, and put her name into a search at various places. Was delighted when two albums showed up on Amazon and had those 60's recordings. Received them yesterday. Woo hoo. She recorded those tunes at FAME records in Muscle Shoals, Al. . Had never heard of that before either. She had twelve consecutive hits back in those days, R & B. Not one of em got to Muleshoe or Friona, Tx. I'm tickled pinker than usual. She's marvelous. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:34:39 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: candi staton njc Is Candi a younger sister of Dakota, by some chance? DAVID LAHM **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:19:15 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: candi staton njc Is Candi a younger sister of Dakota, by some chance? DAVID LAHM --Don't know who that is. But Candi Staton would be around 64 now. mack - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:26:24 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: candi staton njc looking for any diversion from studying music history... taken from Marv Goldberg's R&B Notes "The Feathers" based on interviews with Johnny Staton (c) 2001 Marv Goldberg http://home.att.net/~uncamarvy/Feathers/feathers.html There were a lot of Statons; 12 children in all. Strangely, mom and pop and 9 of their offspring were all born in March. Maybe that's why they sang. Maybe it was because dad had been a bandleader. At any rate, in the 40s, 5 of the siblings sang as the Staton Family in El Centro, California's Sweet Home Baptist Church. Let's list them now, they'll return later in our story: Johnny (lead tenor), Louis (tenor), Lenora (tenor), James (baritone) and Isaiah (bass). Another Staton that everyone (including me) thought was a sibling is noted jazz singer Dakota Staton; however, she was from Pittsburgh. Candi Staton, who Johnny claimed was his daughter, was born in 1943, making that claim impossible. On Jul 22, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > Is Candi a younger sister of Dakota, by some chance? DAVID LAHM > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:34:59 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: candi staton njc Liner notes read: Canzetta Maria Staton was born in 1943 in the small Alabama town of Hanceville, population less than 800, and had just the kind of rural upbringing you might imagine; helping pick cotton and singing in the church choir. Candi's father worked as a farmer in the summer and as a coal miner in the winter. The family were poor but Candi was happy. "We lived with the barest of necessities,' remembers Candi. "We were a very poor family, but we had a lot of love between us so we managed.' Later it reads that when Candi was ten her mother moved them to Cleveland to escape the alchoholic father. She then went to Nashville and to a Christian Academy. Ran off at 17 to LA with Lou Rawls. She came back to Alabama, got pregnant, .... No more mention of parentage. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:36:42 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Summer of Love gig (njc) Just got booked to play at a Summer of Love Festival in Woodstock, Georgia on Aug 1. All I have to do is play Neil Young, CSN, Grateful Dead, Hendrix, Cat Stevens, Airplane, Joni Mitchell, Rolling Stones etc... for three hours. Shouldn't be too hard! Victor, studying for Music History exam IV NP: Prokofiev Piano Sonata No. 7 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:44:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: candi staton njc And your diversion from music history was.... music history. Go figure. Good luck on the exam and congrats on the Woodstock gig. If anyone can pull that off, Victor, you can. Bob NP: Carla Thomas/Otis Redding, "Tramp" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:09:35 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Death and Funeral music > From: Russell Bowden > Subject: Death and Funeral music > > Gang, > > Easy one....Refuge of the Roads, Gently, Lord, Oh Gently Lead Us (a > capella....the Boston Camerata) and Mozart's Horn Concerto in Eb Major K. 495 > 2nd Movement..if this doesn't do it to you, nothing will. > > Love from sticky Maine, > Russ Obviously, Frederic Chopin's Piano Sonata No. 2 in B-flat minor, Op. 35, 3rd Movement. Anytime someone dies in a cartoon, that's what you hear. Actually, I credit Looney Tunes (and the MGM cartoons like Tom&Jerry) with my initial exposure to classical music, and jazz for that matter. The really neat thing about those old cartoons is that the whole cartoon would be scored for full orchestra, even alot of the sound effects. It worked out brilliantly, I think. Carl Stalling was a great musician. Cartoons of that caliber have not been made since about 1952 or so, IMHO. Songs To Aging Children Come, mainly because it was played at the hippie funeral in the movie Alice's Restaurant. Anyone know who that was playing it? That was actually my introduction to the song, I didn't know it was a Joni Mitchell song when I first saw the movie. Death of Aase from Grieg's Peer Gynt Suite. Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 in A Major, Op. 92, 2nd Movement Allegretto. I will forever be reminded of Susan Gabree when I hear this piece of music. Susan was a woman I took care of in a group home I worked at in the 90s. Susan was deaf and was also diagnosed as mentally retarded, but we all knew better. She was sharp as a tack, although she usually didn't let on. Call it playing dumb. It was learned behavior, the term commonly used in the business was "institutionally retarded". She was really, really f*cked up from being institutionalized for decades, since she was a teenager, in Danvers State Mental Hospital. She was in her late 50s when I knew her. She endured horrible, horrible abuse while at Danvers, including rape, and I'm sure all kinds of other f*cked up Nurse Ratched sh*t. I'm getting a teensy bit choked up, and angry, just thinking about it now after all these years. Anyway, I was quite fond of her, even though she made it really hard to be fond of her sometimes. She actually threw a chair at me my second day on the job, bless her heart. :) I never held stuff like that against her, she had full-blown PTSD from the crap she went through at Danvers. I was on my way to work one morning, and this movement from the 7th Symphony was playing in my head. And I mean it was playing note for note, over and over until I got to work. As soon as I got there, one of my co-workers took me aside and told me that Susan had dropped dead from a heart attack earlier that morning. So I think of this piece as Susan's dirge. Thelonius Monk, Memories of You. I first heard this on an album called Standards. I was listening to it at home, my parent's house at the time, and I was hanging out with my dog, Sandy. The family dog. I was in the third grade when we got her as a puppy and she was pushing 15 at the time I'm talking about. For some reason, listening that music, and looking at Sandy, it suddenly struck me that she would not be around much longer. She had had a rough winter and we thought she wasn't going to make it, but she rallied that summer. She had a good summer. But, summer was drawing to a close, and she was showing her age again. 15 years is oooold for a dog her size (collie mix). Anyway, we had to put her down that October when she went into kidney failure. It was like losing a family member. She was, hands down, the best dog I've ever known. Fairport Convention, Farewell, Farewell. The song was penned by Richard Thompson who had just lost his girlfriend in the same car wreck that claimed the band's drummer. I have to believe the song and the tragedy are connected, but I'm just guessing. Sandy Denny sings beautifully in this one. He Was A Friend Of Mine. Traditional folk song played by everybody even tangentially connected with folk/rock in the 60s. He Was My Brother. Written and sung by Paul Simon and published on S&G's first album and also on the Songbook. The song is about Paul's friend and college roommate civil-rights activist Andrew Goodman, who, along with James Chaney and Michael Schwerner, was gunned down by racist a$$holes in Neshoba Co. Mississippi in 1964. That's all I can think of for now. Peace, David PS I'm sorry for your loss, Patti. I was just walking in a nearby graveyard with my son, and we saw three sets of markers for old couples who died within months of eachother. Its somewhat common, I hear. One couple died 3 days apart, in the late 1700s. (Its an old cemetery.) PPS I almost forgot Mozart's Requiem. The whole thing is about death isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:42:10 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Death and Funeral music NJC like most of you, i intend to be cremated and at the memorial give away cds with selected songs. one of which would have to be bodie busack's "medicine man". wrote various books about the desert and conservation. some of his friends hijacked his body and dump it somewhere in the desert to be recycled, per abbey's wishes. we are all getting older aren't we? later, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pritchard" To: "list" Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:07 AM Subject: RE: Death and Funeral music NJC >I do not know which 'song' (with lyrics) I would choose for my farewell > ceremony but I wish to be cremated (funerals are for losers ;-p). I have > many times mentioned to my significant others that I would like to have my > ashes scattered to the sound of Carlos Santana's 'Song of the Wind'. Now > trying to think about a poem to help things along. Maybe R.S. Thomas' > 'Epitaph': "The poem in the rock and the poem in the mind are not one. It > was in dying I tried to make them so". Maybe not. > > mike in bcn > > NP Marvin Gaye and Kim Weston: It takes two > > !DSPAM:144,48859bf1273121529916830! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: joni songs for special occasions Oh peachy keen and hunky-dorey, of course, as always. Thank you for asking! - --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Mags wrote: hey cat, i like your choice for hejira as a funeral song. how's tings in trawna? mags~nificent ;-PPP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Death and Funeral music NJC OK. Let 'em keep burying people because what the world really needs is more zombie movies! But don't let 'em bury *me.* A lot of people are freaked out by cremation like your grandmother, Muller. Being burned might hurt but the alternative is being eaten by worms. Sounds like fun to me! Buying a cemetery plot is quite expensive and I'm not sure about the point of going to cemeteries and hanging around there having one-sided conversations at the grave of the dear departed and, like Mike, I'm not crazy about the idea of all that maintenance. God knows I can't even stand dusting, so keeping someone's grave clean seems a bit much. Let's say someone's spirit or ghost were to hang around for a while after death. It seems kind of weird they'd choose the cemetery to do that. They'd morel likely hang around the place they died or else a place they really like to be in. So sez I. I've told my kids I want to be cremated (they need to be sure I'm dead first!) but they claim they want to come and visit me in the graveyard. As IF! I've told them to respect my wishes or I'll haunt them. - --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: I want(ed) to avoid a 'place' where people could come occasionally and remember me.> I agree with that 100%. While my preference is cremation, I respect the fact that the tradition of burial makes for some dang good zombie movies. My Mom was cremated and I think of her nearly every day without the need for a piece of real estate to maintain or visit. Meanwhile, my Grandma didn't want to be cremated because she thought it would be too painful. Bob __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:20:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Death and Funeral music Tigger Outlaw. And that was her ONLY claim to fame. They wanted Joni to sing it, of course, but they also wanted her to relinquish the rights to the song or something like that. She politely declined. Yours truly, The Veritable Fount NP: U2, "Another Time, Another Place" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:28:05 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Death and Funeral music Bob, Of course you knew that. We love you. You know that, too, right? :) Love, David Bob Muller wrote: > funeral in the movie Alice's Restaurant. Anyone know who that was > playing it?> > Tigger Outlaw. And that was her ONLY claim to fame. They wanted Joni to sing it, of course, but they also wanted her to relinquish the rights to the song or something like that. She politely declined. > Yours truly, > The Veritable Fount > NP: U2, "Another Time, Another Place" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #143 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------