From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #140 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 20 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 140 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Patti the columnist and Shades of Scarlett ["Marion Leffler" ] Jo Stafford - NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Native Americans/Indians/DEAP's NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: crosby's "Laughing" and the Dead and Hendrix -now NJC [David Eoll ] Re: Joni for newbie [Victor Johnson ] Joni Covers, Retro Edition #28 [Bob Muller ] Court & Spark ["Dave Folks" ] Article in today's Irish Times [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni song for special occasions ["Cassy" ] more funny anecdotes from Tom Waits (njc) [Victor Johnson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:16:13 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Patti the columnist and Shades of Scarlett This is in reply to Patti's response to my suggestion that she might try writing a column in some magazine. As her response was rather long I don't repeat it here but I'm sure you remember it! Patti, you are truly priceless! No magazine in the world could pay you enough anyway, so we'll have to hope for a jeopardy of Joni questions. Surely, you'd be rich overnight! Meanwhile, how about a section on jonimitchellcom? (Would that be possible, Les? I'm not entirely joking here!). It could be a weekly or monthly thing and the section could be called something like Patti's Circle Game (welcoming any other suggestions and I'm sure Patti herself will come up with a much better one). By the way, Patti, your enthusiasm for The Circle Game made me revalue my opinion of it. I never liked the song that much and usually skip it when I listen to LOTC but seeing how much it means to you made me listen again. Still, I would hope that my son would chose a different song for his dance with his mother at his wedding, something more in line with Stay in touch to smooth over the change in our relationship his getting married would entail. Another matter: last night I listend to THOSL and as always I was wondering what the "everything" is that according to Scarlet a woman must have. Any suggestions? Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:22:35 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Joni song for special occasions PS: Which Joni song would you like to be played for you at a special occasion (wedding, birthday, graduation, retirement or whatever? I know somebody - sorry, forgot whom - wants The Judgement of the Moon and Stars at his funeral. I haven't planned that far ahead.) Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni song for special occasions The Circle Game. The All Occasion song. Marion Leffler wrote: > PS: Which Joni song would you like to be played for you at a special > occasion (wedding, birthday, graduation, retirement or whatever? I know > somebody - sorry, forgot whom - wants The Judgement of the Moon and Stars > at > his funeral. I haven't planned that far ahead.) > > Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:53:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Jo Stafford - NJC One of the great voices of the 20th Century is gone. Jo Stafford died yesterday. Her 1950 album American Folk Songs at the height of her popularity brought attention to the genre. Two of my favorite singers, Judy Collins and Dusty Springfield, both cited Jo as a great influence. Judy said her first interest in folk music was hearing Barbara Allen on the radio. Up to then is was only classical. And Dusty declared Jo as the greatest American singer and her Wayfaring Stranger as one of her favorite songs. In fact, Dusty later recorded it almost note for note from Jo's version. Jo, with perfect pitch, and her husband, genius conductor and arranger Paul Weston, later produced the hysterical Jonathan and Darlene Edwards albums, where they sang and played just a "little" off kilter. They have had a cult following for years and won them both Grammy awards. So long, Jo. Jerry NP: Jo Stafford - Shenandoh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Native Americans/Indians/DEAP's NJC I like your story, Dave. Often the name that native peoples give themselves is their word for "people." If you asked them who they were, I suppose they'd simply say, "We're... people (what else, ya silly goose?)" - --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Dave Folks wrote: the common names for Native American tribes are not what those tribes called themselves, but what their neighbor tribes (often enemies) called them. And often the names were less than flattering, and translated to things like "a$$holes", or "lazy bums". I think "apache" is the Comanche word for horse thief. Or maybe its the other way around. I guess as the anglo explorers were heading westward, they'd ask the tribes they already knew, "What's that tribe over there?" and get an answer like, "Oh, thats the Bunchajerks" snicker, snicker. I don't know if that's really true or not, but it would be funny if it were true. Peace, David I lived in Arizona in the '70's and 80's and my memory (perhaps somewhat faulty) is that the Apache were never in a position to have a name imposed upon then. They were baaaaaaad. However the Spaniards did ask the Apache what the name of the people living in the valley below were. The Apache said that they were "Pima", which meant "bean eaters". The name stuck until the late 70's or early 80's when they changed their name back to what they always called themselves: "O'odahm Tash" (Spelling?), which means "People of the Desert". They lived in the valley between what is now Phoenix and Tucson and built lots of canals. They did grow a lot of beans (especially tepary and pinto), but that's no reason for racial profiling!!! The most famous "Pima" Indian is Ira Hayes, who was one of the Marines who raised the amerikan flag at Iwo Jima, memorialized in a song by Patrick Sky. I have a picture of my then three year old daughter picking cotton in a field next to the ditch Ira Hayes died in near Sacaton, AZ. ~Dave When you don't know where you're going you've got to stick together, just in case someone gets there! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Pianosoft My point, exactly, Chuck. Who would pay $32 to hear Joe Blow recreate Both Sides Now if it isn't Joni or Herbie, which it is not. Compressed or uncompressed, I'd rather hear David Lahm or Herbie play Joni on a $12 cd than Joe Blow, even on a $10,000 Yamaha. Jerry Chuck Eisenhardt wrote: > Jerry, > > I do? > > I certainly don't know who recorded the discs in question, > whether Joni, or someone else, and I didn't imply that. Did I? > Sorry. Maybe Herbie Hancock? That would be cool! > > So let me frame this in another way. If Joni HAD recorded a master > performance into a Disklavier system, say for example the prelude to > Cotton Avenue, and then played it back for you on the same piano,, > how would that be the 'same as' her performance, and how would > it 'differ from' her performance. Opinion will vary. > > All I was trying to impart was that this system captures a the > nuances of actual performance.... It's digitized, but then, rather than > being further compressed and man-handled onto a CD for playback > thru even the best system imaginable, it would not be as 'true' as > taking the digital recording and playing it back thru the analog > instrument. > > Don't mind me. If you're curious, go to your nearest Yamaha dealer > and hear the instrument. See if they have any Joni. > > On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> Chuck, >> >> So you think Joni sat down and recorded these for Yamaha >> Disklavier? I don't >> think so. Thus, my comments. >> >> Jerry >> >> >>> The discussion of the Yamaha Disklavier raises some interesting >>> points. >>> >>> Probably awful? Well, it captures the original performance with >>> all the >>> nuances. So it's as good as the player creating the digital copy, >>> including >>> the mistakes, if any. >>> >>> So you can have Dave Brubeck or Paderewski in your living room, >>> exactly >>> as recorded, moving the hammers and the dampers, striking stings with >>> felt hammers. This is really different from the sound coming from >>> Hell's >>> stereo speakers. This might sound great, but it's not a piano >>> 'speaking'. >>> >>> As far as I know there is little or no aftermarket trade of the >>> Disklavier catalog, >>> but it sells a lot of pianos. It opens up a whole new market of non- >>> players (with >>> considerable disposable income.) >>> >>> Yamaha was extended the concept in its line of 'silent' pianos. Now, >>> if they >>> could only create the silent violin! >>> >>> I ran across this site the other day...Jenny can try this but I don't >>> think it will >>> work very well at 26K! Too cool for words.... >>> >>> http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/d/spiel_win.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:54:10 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: RE: crosby's "Laughing" and the Dead and Hendrix -now NJC > From: "hell" > Subject: RE: joni "sighting"? > >>From the (extensive) booklet that came with my CSN box set, Joni is indeed > listed on vocals on this one, along with David Crosby and Graham Nash, and > I've always thought it's pretty obviously Joni. One of my favourite Crosby > tracks. Doy. I actually have that box set. I got it when it came out in 1991(?) But, I don't keep the notes with the CDs, and I forgot I still had them. I just got them out again and have been reading from them. There are some great stories told by CSN&Y (and others) about each song. Jerry has some very flattering things to say about Cros (and vice versa) in the "Laughing" notes. > > The other credits are: > > Guitars: David Crosby > Pedal steel guitar: Jerry Garcia > Bass: Phil Lesh > Drums: Bill Kreutzmann Phil is unmistakable there, and I figured that was Jer on pedal steel. Phil, Bill, and Jer are on three songs in a row on the Crosby album: "Cowboy Movie", "Tamalpais High", and "Laughing". Jorma is the other lead guitar on "Tam High" and I don't need no stinking liner notes to know all that. I don't know enough about Jer's pedal steel work to be able to distinguish it on sight (or listen, rather). But he's unmistakable on the two tracks before "Laughing". I've been a deadhead long enough that I can pick his six-string guitar playing anywhere. Even if its on in the background, low volume, and I can't even hear the rest of the song. Same for Phil, and Bill's style is fairly identifiable for me too. Besides being three great Crosby tracks, I think those are three great Dead tracks. There will never be another Grateful Dead. ...but, there's something damn close. Any other deadheads out there? If there are, and y'all haven't been to see Dark Star Orchestra, then what are you waiting for? I'm going to make the same guarantee I make to everyone. There will be minutes at a time that you will forget that you're not really at a Dead show. They're that good. They have the late 70s/early 80s Dead sound in the bag. They've got the same swing and everything. They don't just play Dead music, they play Dead shows. They play actual shows from the Dead archive. Maybe not note for note, but definitely all the significant moving parts are there, with just enough improv to keep it live. Same songs, same order, same segues, same jams, same stage banter, same fuck-ups, "Jerry" flubs the lines sometimes. Its just like home. They do their homework, and they don't miss a trick. I have seen many old timers at these shows, and we all say the same thing. "Wow". They'll take you right back home, awesome. And the guy that does Jerry must've made a pact with the devil. I mean he's got it down so thoroughly that its actually kind of eerie. He's actually got Jerry's voice down very well too. The missing link with most GD cover bands (and I've seen a few) is that they never had anyone who sounded like Jerry. DSO has that problem licked. The guy actually has Jerry's stack, his guitar effects. I don't know how he came by them (I know he knows Mountain Girl), but anyway he's got 'em. Anyway, DSO, plays tons of shows in CA, and they tour the east a few times a year, and bop over to Europe once in awhile too. So, if you're an old deadhead who's still missing Jerry, or if you're too young to have seen them live, but want to get a taste of what a Dead show was like, do yourself a favor. > > If you want another superb track, where Joni's vocals shine (no pun > intended), check out Graham Nash's "Another Sleep Song". A beautiful track, > and (again from the box set booklet) "written in Barbra Steisand's living > room, on her piano, while she sat on the sofa eating a T.V. dinner." Another great anecdote. I haven't read these notes since the early 90s. This is great. I love the one about Stephen's song Old Times Good Times. Anyone at all familiar with Jimi Hendrix will spot his lead on that song. Stephen doesn't mention it, but I believe that is the very last studio track that Hendrix recorded. Or at least the last track to be published. He played some more shows, but I think that was it in the studio. The very last recording of him was him sitting in with War at Ronnie Scott's in London the night he died. A thoroughly mediocre performance from what I heard (anyone got the bootleg? talk to me!) although Tobacco Road was alright. That is probably the last time he picked up a guitar. Stephen does say some other interesting things about Jimi that I didn't know. That Jimi basically taught Stephen how to play lead guitar when they were hanging out in England in the mid 60s. I knew the two jammed together many times stateside (famously at Stephen's place in Malibu) but didn't know they knew each other in England. Even more surprising to me is that Jimi wanted Stephen to play bass in the Experience. What a band that would've been. My favorite bass player for Jimi? Jack Casady. He'd sit in with him whenever the Experience would be in the Bay area. Some of my favorite live Hendrix tracks are with Jack. Billy Cox I liked too. Noel I really wasn't crazy about. And his song writing was atrocious. The two songs he wrote (and sang) on Jimi's albums are the only two I skip over on CD. I just can't bear them. They're that bad. > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: joni "sighting"? > > A listing of the tracks that Joni has contributed guest vocals to can be found on her site: > http://jonimitchell.com/musician/songsfeaturing.cfm > Bob > NP: Laura Nyro, "Creepin'" Thanks for the link, Bob. I'll check it out. I'm not familiar with "Creepin'", what album is it on? Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: crosby's "Laughing" and the Dead and Hendrix -now NJC It's from "Time and Love - The Art and Soul of Laura Nyro", A Stevie Wonder cover - somewhat of a rarity I suppose. A great song and a great voice, what more can you ask for? Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Solo (So Low)" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni song for special occasions I have already told my brother and sister that when I die, I want "River" to be played over and over and over again at my funeral so every single person there hears it. Because it'll be done at a funeral, nobody will complain of the same song playing over and over since people are very, very respectful at funerals. I think "River" may just be the most beautiful song EVER and I would want my family and friends to be comforted by the beauty that had comforted me so much so after I pass. - -Mon - --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Marion Leffler wrote: PS: Which Joni song would you like to be played for you at a special occasion (wedding, birthday, graduation, retirement or whatever? I know somebody - sorry, forgot whom - wants The Judgement of the Moon and Stars at his funeral. I haven't planned that far ahead.) Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni for newbie So I recently started dating a musician friend of mine who has a very healthy taste in music. He's very into CSN, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, and so forth that I feel the need to introduce Joni's music to him. He of course knows of her and has heard a few of her songs but that is the end of it. Instead of just telling him songs to check out, I was thinking I would bring over a performance of hers for us to watch. I think adding the visual aspect of her skills as a performer as well as having the brilliant music ought to be a good "meet and greet." My question to you is, what video should I bring over (I have a few) that'll serve as a great introduction to hopefully a beautiful Joni journey? - -Monika, who sees getting into new artists as "journeys," especially when it comes to Joni..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:56:37 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni for newbie I recently started dating a musician as well (she's also a photographer and a licensed yoga instructor) and all around very cool. But anyway she's not super familiar with Joni but knows a little bit of her music and likes what she's heard. Oddly enough, the one Joni cd she owns is "Turbulent Indigo" which she put on the other day...if I had had to guess which album she owned it probably wouldn't have been that one. This morning I was introducing her to Stevie Wonder and Van Morrison Astral Weeks and even a little of "In the Court of the Crimson King". It's so cool to be able to rediscover all of this music through someone else's eyes/ears. We're going to Rush on Tuesday so that should be pretty interesting as well. Maybe bring over "Shadows and Light"? It seems like its hard to go wrong here Victor, studying at Caribou Coffee for Exam IV in music history, the last one! On Jul 19, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > So I recently started dating a musician friend of mine who has a very > healthy taste in music. He's very into CSN, James Taylor, Jackson > Browne, and > so forth that I feel the need to introduce Joni's music to him. He > of course > knows of her and has heard a few of her songs but that is the end of > it. > Instead of just telling him songs to check out, I was thinking I > would bring > over a performance of hers for us to watch. I think adding the > visual aspect > of her skills as a performer as well as having the brilliant music > ought to be > a good "meet and greet." My question to you is, what video should I > bring > over (I have a few) that'll serve as a great introduction to > hopefully a > beautiful Joni journey? > -Monika, who sees getting into new artists as "journeys," especially > when it > comes to Joni..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:19:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Retro Edition #28 Here's another one from the archives for those who came along later. Volume 28, with the following tracks: 1. The Bully Boys - Woodstock Medley 2. Tahkus Ekedal - Both Sides Now 3. Margret RoadKnight - Marcie 4. Peter Mulvey - River 5. Morning - For Free 6. Elvis Costello - Edith & The Kingpin (live) 7. Nina Rousso - Both Sides Now 8. Gaffers - Court and Spark 9. Tony Campise - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 10. Sandy Stubbert - California 11. Christine Ebersole - Turn Around/The Circle Game 12. Heike Radler - Both Sides Now 13. Loaded Boxers - Big Yellow Taxi 14. Vocalogy - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 15. Lisa Theriot - The Urge For Going 16. June Tabor - The Fiddle and The Drum (live) 17. Boots Randolph - Both Sides Now 18. The Triban - Night In The City And get it here: http://tinyurl.com/57whto Bob NP: Nada Surf, "Everyone's On Tour" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:31:10 -0500 From: "Dave Folks" Subject: Court & Spark The book has been claimed. ~Dave When you don't know where you're going you've got to stick together, just in case someone gets there! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:05:44 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Article in today's Irish Times Nice article about the Green Flags show, with a brief interview. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/magazine/2008/0719/1216364364414.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:16:16 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Joni song for special occasions I already have "Bookends" - Simon & Garfunkle reserved for my funeral but I'd also like to have Judgment of the Moon and Stars as another selection. The Joni tune for my son to hear and remember how I'd want him to live the rest of his life when I'm gone. One of my favorite Joni tunes is "Down to You", I play it a lot and never tire of it and I'd love to think of a place in my life to use it to punctuate what's happening. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:07:02 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: more funny anecdotes from Tom Waits (njc) Ol' '55 Story (Live version, 1974. Also known as: 12 Inches) Well, before I do anything I gotta tell you a story 'bout Johnny Cash and June Carter. Unbeknownst to anybody in the entire metropolitan area, let me relate a little piece of metropolitan hot news. It's about Johnny Cash and June Carter. Yes, June Carter went and left Johnny Cash sittin' in his Winnebago playin' solitaire. Run off to Memphis to marry Hank Snow of all people. Yes, Hank Snow of all people. They hooked up matrimonially, and folks around those parts are sayin' that's the first time they've ever seen six inches of snow in June. Now I'm not gonna say anything... Which reminds me of a story that I heard... I was down at a little place called Charlie's Place across the street from my motel in Harvard Square, a tweaky little... Twenty-three bucks a night they stick you for, ferchrissakes! I can stay at the Y for six. [edit] There was a little sucker about four-five in there. With color television test pattern double-knit slacks. He had Foster Grant wrap- arounds and a jackal-striped jacket with blue denim dye. And he set that whole bar up, called the bartender over, set it up one elbow to the other, and we all had a beer. And I swear to God, a little twelve inch sucker jumped out of the guy's breast pocket, 'bout that big. Little sucker jumped down on the bar, went down all the way to one end, started spilling drinks, messing up people's hair, spilling ashtrays, making a hell of a nuisance of himself. Jumped back in the guy's pocket. The bartender come over and said, 'Ferchrissakes, I've been a bartender twenty-seven years, I've never seen anything like it. Sir, I run a respectable place here, ferchrissakes. This ain't no kind of joint!' 'Well,' the guy said, 'I'm sorry, Sir. It won't happen again!' Sure enough, that little twelve inch man jumped out of the guy's pocket, jumped down on the bar, tweaky little sucker, 'bout that big, starts spilling drinks, messing up people's hair. People tryin' to slap him on his way down. Sure enough, jumped back in the guy's pocket. The bartender come over and says, 'I've been a bartender for years and I've never seen anything like it. You're gonna have to cough up some sort of explanation.' The guy said, 'I do apologize. But it all happened one afternoon in Atlantic City, New Jersey. In Atlantic City, New Jersey, I was walking on the beach, and what did I find but a Josi Cuervo bottle. And I picked that sucker up and I stroked it. I stroked it till a big genie came out. And that genie took one look at me and said, 'You can have one wish, any wish. Any wish you want in the whole wide world.' And, well, I had to go and be a fool and wish for a twelve inch prick and that's just what I got. Written by: Tom Waits Published by: unpublished Unofficial release: Tales From The Underground Volume 4, PMS Records, 1999 Recorded at a Mothers of Invention concert at the Orpheum Theatre, Boston, November 9, 1974 (Transcribed by Ulf Berggren. Listserv Raindogs discussionlist, 2000) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:46:06 +0100 From: Michael Paz Subject: All the way from Galway WOW! I can't believe my good fortune to be in Galway for the Arts Fest with the band and have Joni's exhibit there for me to enjoy. I spent the entire afternoon yesterday walking around the show taking it all in. I had seen the pictures but they are nothing if you do not see them up close and personal in all their glory. The images were far more powerful than I had anticipated and I found my emotions getting the better of me. I spoke with the head of the Festival who was very gracious to me and spent alot of time telling me about why Joni didn't come as he is ill and prefers to keep her privacy which I respect. I do wish her well and applaud her work and look forward to what's coming next. He was going to see about getting me a signed print at a reduced rate which I am hoping for as I love it. Unfortunately Garrett was not able to come down to meet me. We did have a fantastic show and the crowd received us in grand fashion with many ovations. There was an after party that we went to and I saw 5am when I had to be up at 7am to get t the airport. Headed back to USA tomorrow. Suze Cameron here I come baby. Hope you got some time. Gotta run Later Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #140 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------