From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 18 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 138 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Owen's Joni Cover and points of origin [] Pianosoft solos - Yamaha (njc) [] Re: If Joni were to tour.... [Mark-Leon Thorne ] NJC Pianosoft [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Pianosoft [Jerry Notaro ] RE: tom waits in barcelona, now some jc ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: If Joni were to tour.... ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: tom waits in barcelona (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell NJC [Victor Johnson ] re: Pianosoft Solos A Side of Joni Mitchell [c Karma ] re: michiganders [David Eoll ] re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell [c Karma ] Re: tom waits in barcelona (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell [Bob Muller ] It made my day (njc) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: If Joni were to tour.... [Garret ] Re: If Joni were to tour.... [Em ] Re: If Joni were to tour.... [Garret ] my guy Al and Neil Young, njc then my gal Cindy [Patti Parlette ] Al Gore's speech, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Shine on Nelson Mandela [Patti Parlette ] Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either [] Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either [] That North Dakota Junction [David Sapp ] Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either [] Re: If Joni were to tour.... ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either ["Jenn] Joni mention by Kate Clinton [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either [] Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either ["Jenn] Re: That North Dakota Junction [Bob Muller ] Re: Pianosoft [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: If Joni were to tour.... [Em ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:15:52 -0700 From: Subject: Owen's Joni Cover and points of origin I barely have time to read the list still but I did decide to listen to Owen's music clip the other morning at 4 a.m. when I got home from work ;-) Needed something to smooth it all out and it hit the spot. I love your voice and interpretation of the song. Very, very nice. On other topics, as a native Californian, when people ask where I am from I just say "I'm from L.A." (even though that encompasses anywhere within a 300 mile radius). And the reaction is usually a scrunching up of the face, a backing up and an disdainful "OH". Heehee! Rarely, I also get the "do you see a lot of movie stars there?" Teehee ;-) Kakki, mutant, Blade Runnerish, LAian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:35:27 -0700 From: Subject: Pianosoft solos - Yamaha (njc) Hey, this has related Joni list connection. Gary Zack and I have a very good musician friend Rob (fabulous piano guy) here in L.A. who, "moonlighting" as a side job worked for Yamaha to develop all the music for their "player piano" programs. When Gary is in L.A., Rob always brings him up on stage to sing along. Victor has also sang with him here! My dream is to drag him to a Jonifest. He would fit right in. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:45:20 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... My personal dream show would have James Taylor opening for Joni and staying on to play with her too. I wonder though...would she perform, For The Roses at a show like that? Mark in Sydney NP I Grieve (Remix) - Peter Gabriel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:55:50 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Pianosoft The discussion of the Yamaha Disklavier raises some interesting points. Probably awful? Well, it captures the original performance with all the nuances. So it's as good as the player creating the digital copy, including the mistakes, if any. So you can have Dave Brubeck or Paderewski in your living room, exactly as recorded, moving the hammers and the dampers, striking stings with felt hammers. This is really different from the sound coming from Hell's stereo speakers. This might sound great, but it's not a piano 'speaking'. As far as I know there is little or no aftermarket trade of the Disklavier catalog, but it sells a lot of pianos. It opens up a whole new market of non- players (with considerable disposable income.) Yamaha was extended the concept in its line of 'silent' pianos. Now, if they could only create the silent violin! I ran across this site the other day...Jenny can try this but I don't think it will work very well at 26K! Too cool for words.... http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/d/spiel_win.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:14:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Pianosoft Chuck, So you think Joni sat down and recorded these for Yamaha Disklavier? I don't think so. Thus, my comments. Jerry > The discussion of the Yamaha Disklavier raises some interesting points. > > Probably awful? Well, it captures the original performance with all the > nuances. So it's as good as the player creating the digital copy, > including > the mistakes, if any. > > So you can have Dave Brubeck or Paderewski in your living room, exactly > as recorded, moving the hammers and the dampers, striking stings with > felt hammers. This is really different from the sound coming from Hell's > stereo speakers. This might sound great, but it's not a piano > 'speaking'. > > As far as I know there is little or no aftermarket trade of the > Disklavier catalog, > but it sells a lot of pianos. It opens up a whole new market of non- > players (with > considerable disposable income.) > > Yamaha was extended the concept in its line of 'silent' pianos. Now, > if they > could only create the silent violin! > > I ran across this site the other day...Jenny can try this but I don't > think it will > work very well at 26K! Too cool for words.... > > http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/d/spiel_win.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:30:02 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: tom waits in barcelona, now some jc Victor asked: >>Did you make it to the show last night?? or maybe you're going tonight...which starts in a few hours. I checked out the setlist from last night and it looked pretty awesome. But I wouldn't expect any less.<< I guess this was aimed at me, as I'm a big fan of TW and I live in Barcelona? I wanted to go but both nights sold out quickly at ridiculously high prices so in a fit of pique I took off to Mallorca for 5 days, thus being away when he played. I also tried to get tix for Herbie's River concert later this month but the reviews (in Vitoria) have been really dreadful. I thought it would be Luciana Souza doing all vocals but it seems there are many different singers and it seems all uncoordinated, according to the reviews, even with Dave Holland on bass. Anyways, I ended swimming in the rain, man I went to swim so swim I did, despite the weather. Ate some great fish in a wonderful restaurant where we go every year just for the fish. mike in bcn np  Bruce Barth  American Landscape ps  someone should reduce chuck's medication, he's posting like a madman lately. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... Just brainstorming... Amy Correia Kaki King Jolie Holland I wouldn't want to see someone TOO famous or well-established, it would create a conflict in the audience, much like when I saw her in '98 with Dylan and there were many Dylan fans not interested at all in what Joni was doing. Bob NP: The Hold Steady, "Yeah Sapphire" (yet ANOTHER outstanding 2008 release, this year is on a roll) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:23:50 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... I would love The Migus Big Band to tour with her... just so she can do both versions of songs at some point.... 2008/7/18 Monika Bogdanowicz : > Who would you want to open up for her? Who would take the honor? Who would > be a good fit? If I were famous, and Joni decided to tour asking me to open > up for her, I'd be scared shitless wondering why the hell am I performing when > Joni should already be up on stage! > -Monika > NR: The Dead Zone- Stephen King > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:32:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... Glad to see a mention of them, Jamie. I always try to see them at the Iridium when I am in NYC. They play most Tuesday nights and are terrific. Jerry > I would love The Migus Big Band to tour with her... just so she can do > both versions of songs at some point.... > > 2008/7/18 Monika Bogdanowicz : >> Who would you want to open up for her? Who would take the honor? Who would >> be a good fit? If I were famous, and Joni decided to tour asking me to open >> up for her, I'd be scared shitless wondering why the hell am I performing >> when >> Joni should already be up on stage! >> -Monika >> NR: The Dead Zone- Stephen King ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:40:31 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: tom waits in barcelona (njc) On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Mike Pritchard wrote: > Victor asked: > >>> Did you make it to the show last night?? or maybe you're going > tonight...which starts in a few hours. I checked out the setlist > from last > night and it looked pretty awesome. But I wouldn't expect any less.<< > > I guess this was aimed at me, as I'm a big fan of TW and I live in > Barcelona? I wanted to go but both nights sold out quickly at > ridiculously > high prices so in a fit of pique I took off to Mallorca for 5 days, > thus > being away when he played. Hi Mike, Sounds like something I would have done. I was on the fence for awhile about seeing Rush next week...I didn't really have the money but I hated the thought of Rush being in town and not going. And then by the grace of God I won tickets so fortunately I don't have to make that choice. Of course it wouldn't have been very practical to skip town on a Tuesday so I would have been stuck at home, fretting and pouting. Speaking of rain, we've been having quite a bit of it here lately, which is a good thing. I love the rain, watching it fall, listening to the pitter patter of the raindrops. Victor NP: The Rude Awakening 680AM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:07:31 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell NJC On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:11 PM, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I know > that some people want some minor flaws when listening to music, but > just imagine > Victor playing a carrot without making a single mistake. Hi Jimmy, I haven't tried playing a carrot recently (or my saxophone! I really should give it some attention) but I did eat some in a salad the other day. Mmmmm.....carrot piccolo ......... Victor NPIMH: Marge: Bart! Where's Homer? Bart: Well, we kinda hit a snag and the universe sorta imploded on itself. But Dad seemed cautiously optimistic ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:03:24 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell Bob is right on the money there. The Disklavier is God's gift to restaurant and hotel lobby managers (even the Palm Springs Marriott) too cheap to hire a musician for $150 but perfectly willing to pay $10-15K for a player piano which looks nice sitting there eerily "playing" songs recorded at one time by a real player. The hapless manager then has to go through the catalog of available after market disks to figure out what songs the wooden beast should actually play and then, having spent even more money on these, gets to impose his or her musical tastes on the guests who can't send up a better request on a napkin. Sort of like the food & beverage equivalent of Blackwater Enterprises, outsourcing the very thing you already have people trained and equipped for, for umpteen times the money. Maybe it's just their corporate "fuck you" to the struggling tuxedoed musicians that have depended on their Fri/Sat night lobby gig for survival. And Jenny, thanks for unearthing the licensing info for Joni. It looks like Joni succumbed to the corporate music biz monolith after all, in spite of her diatribes against it, and sold off her publishing catalog to pay the bills. I wonder what they offered. Quite a valuable package I'm sure. Dave On Jul 18, 2008, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:01:57 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell > > > > As would I...I guess this is what you do if you don't want to hire > someone > like Victor to play but still want the feel of a "live" performance. > > Thanks for the answers, you two - I asked for a smart person OR a > keyboardist and heard from BOTH! > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:17:39 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: my guy Al and Neil Young, njc Hi Hi! Hi my lovely ones, I miss you. I have been computer less for three weeks. And I haven't an idea of what has been going on . . on the list. Did you see Neil Young on Charlie Rose last night? absolutely FABULOUS. . a MUST see. And Al Gore (my guy): just TERRIFIC! you must have seen him in the news yesterday. . great, great, GREAT! someone maybe will send a clip of these. . . (I miss you! My computer broke. . . and I have to get a new one and funds are a bit low. . . and I still need a new mattress. . . and I don't know if I should get a pc or a mac. . because people are telling me that a pc breaks much more often than a mac. . and that there are no viruses on macs. but I want to transfer my XP operating system files to a new computer. . and macs are more expensive. . . etc. so I have to try to use my friend's computers or go to the library for now . . . and school is out and I won't be back there until September) ( "I won't go back there anymore. . . " I hope all is well and that you are having a nice summer everyone. XOXO lOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:21:33 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Pianosoft Solos A Side of Joni Mitchell Wow. This item has certainly piqued my curiosity. Not quite enough to invest in a Clavinova, though. I'd love if anyone who does have one of the machines for which it's designed can report on the accuracy and temperment of the performance. As a pianist who labors long toward reaching for just the right sound, touch and arrangement when playing Joni's compositions I am very interested to see if Yamaha lives up to its reputation for accuracy and quality. Everything I've ever used with the Yamaha name has never disappointed. It may not be the best of its ilk available, but it's always excellent quality delivered at a reasonable price. Considering how many different types of products they make, they are the closest thing to a "jack of all trades" I know. CC _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:30:40 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: re: michiganders Both my parents come from Michgan families (dad's from Detroit, mom's from Jackson). There are a few expats (like my parents) but most of my relatives are still there and always will be. Michigander is the only term I've heard. I always felt there was kind of a subtle self-deprecating tone to it. Like they know it sounds goofy, but they don't care. They're proud. I know what a Nutmegger is, but most people not from New England or the NYC area probably wouldn't know. re: Massachusetts The term Masshole is kind of common... up here in New Hampshire. :) Its usually a reference to the difference in driving styles. I've lived on both sides of the border at various times over the past 20 years and my experience is that NH drivers are an order of magnitude more courteous than MA drivers, but your mileage may vary. And I think this is starting to change, at least around the border region, as more Massachusetts refugees (like moi) are driven north by rising housing prices. This reminds me of something. I remember reading somewhere that most of the common names for Native American tribes are not what those tribes called themselves, but what their neighbor tribes (often enemies) called them. And often the names were less than flattering, and translated to things like "a$$holes", or "lazy bums". I think "apache" is the Comanche word for horse thief. Or maybe its the other way around. I guess as the anglo explorers were heading westward, they'd ask the tribes they already knew, "What's that tribe over there?" and get an answer like, "Oh, thats the Bunchajerks" snicker, snicker. I don't know if that's really true or not, but it would be funny if it were true. Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:40:54 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell You can listen to portions of the tracks here: http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/index.php?action=ProductDetail&product_id=1138371 If you like cocktail hour reception lounge piano playing in your living room, this product is for you. Maybe this is consistent with the other products in this line, but I would suggest a different philosophy. If they aren't going to try to duplicate Joni's original performances, I suggest that Yamaha phone up David Lahm. Disappointed. CC _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: tom waits in barcelona (njc) Exactly the reason why I don't even want to look to see who's coming to town and when. There are so many good shows to see, but at such a cost and with such ridiculously low odds of getting tickets anyway. And I don't like me when I pout. - --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Victor Johnson wrote: Sounds like something I would have done. I was on the fence for awhile about seeing Rush next week...I didn't really have the money but I hated the thought of Rush being in town and not going. And then by the grace of God I won tickets so fortunately I don't have to make that choice. Of course it wouldn't have been very practical to skip town on a Tuesday so I would have been stuck at home, fretting and pouting. __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell Thanks for that link, CC - wondering if these qualify as "covers"...I'm thinking not. And most of the links are wrong, as I'm sure you noticed - click on Hejira and hear Free Man In Paris, click on For Free & hear Chelsea Morning, etc. Bob NP: The Yamaha thingy, "For Free" (but it says it's FMIP) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either What would you do, re: allowing potential buyers to "test" them out? I'm thinking just set them up on the porch and just show that they function. I can't be expected to let these people "demo" the speakers in detail to determine if they like the sound of them, right? Like let them sit in my spot, fire up a doob and listen to Dark Side of the Moon or anything, right? I really don't want anyone in my house, at all. Speakers are not currently set up, etc. I provided a link in the ad, so they can get a feel for what the speakers are about, some user reviews, how they're rated, etc. But when someone comes, I'm thinking all I have to do is show that they basically "work", right? Or? Does that not seem reasonable? TIA, Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:12:39 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell As I said, AWFUL! I was a piano roll nut as a young 'un as I come from the town that had QRS, the largest piano roll company in the world. And I have a recording of George Gershwin as he directly cut Rhapsody of Blue onto the rolls. They are thrilling to hear. But most of this stuff is cheezy lounge. Jerry > You can listen to portions of the tracks here: > > http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/index.php?action=ProductDetail&product_id=11383 > 71 > > > If you like cocktail hour reception lounge piano playing in your living room, > this product is for you. Maybe this is consistent with the other products in > this line, but I would suggest a different philosophy. If they aren't going > to try to duplicate Joni's original performances, I suggest that Yamaha phone > up David Lahm. > > Disappointed. > > CC > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_famil > y_safety_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:23:16 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell Funny thing is that Yamaha probably has the technology to re-create almost any performance, even extracting it from a mixed master...then chart it out and re-synthesize it. Artists probably fear their performance will show up at every karaoke night. Not likely we'll see this type of technology employed commercially, unless for a Hollywood soundtrack. - ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:12:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: Pianosoft Solos a Side of Joni Mitchell > From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu > To: ckarma@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > > As I said, AWFUL! > I was a piano roll nut as a young 'un as I come from the town that had QRS, > the largest piano roll company in the world. And I have a recording of > George Gershwin as he directly cut Rhapsody of Blue onto the rolls. They are > thrilling to hear. But most of this stuff is cheezy lounge. > > Jerry > > >> You can listen to portions of the tracks here: >> >> http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/index.php?action=ProductDetail&product_id=11383 >> 71 >> >> >> If you like cocktail hour reception lounge piano playing in your living room, >> this product is for you. Maybe this is consistent with the other products in >> this line, but I would suggest a different philosophy. If they aren't going >> to try to duplicate Joni's original performances, I suggest that Yamaha phone >> up David Lahm. >> >> Disappointed. >> >> CC >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. >> http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_famil >> y_safety_072008 > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:46:34 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: It made my day (njc) Since I sent the original post, reprinted below, we have learned that Bari's CD got a "female vocalist" award from a website called RADIOINDY.com. ****************************************************************************** ******* I recently finished producing and arranging a CD for a jazz singer and I'm pretty proud of how it turned out. To hear about 2 minutes of each song, go to _http://cdbaby.com/cd/barihyman_ (http://cdbaby.com/cd/barihyman) 30-second excerpts are accessible via her homepage, BariHyman.com Go there, then click on "virtual jukebox." ****************************************************************************** **** If anyone's curious about the chord substitutions, I will mail charts. DAVID LAHM **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:58:28 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... Hi Bob, Amy Correia and Jolie Holland would be great i think, I'd add Alela Diane to that list (seriously folks check out her songs on myspace http://www.myspace.com/alelamusic , choose the song The Rifle - brilliant. Her album, the Pirate's Gospel, is beautiful). I've not heard of Kaki King. The Hold Steady? I've been looking forward to that one Bob. Glad to hear you're liking it. GARRET On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > Just brainstorming... > Amy Correia > Kaki King > Jolie Holland > I wouldn't want to see someone TOO famous or well-established, it would create a conflict in the audience, much like when I saw her in '98 with Dylan and there were many Dylan fans not interested at all in what Joni was doing. > Bob > NP: The Hold Steady, "Yeah Sapphire" (yet ANOTHER outstanding 2008 release, this year is on a roll) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... Sadly, I don't think any female would work out. What if Crosby, solo, opened? :) just a thought (and a fantasy) Em - --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Garret wrote: > From: Garret > Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... > To: "Bob Muller" > Cc: "Monika Bogdanowicz" , "Joni people!" > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 11:58 AM > Hi Bob, > > Amy Correia and Jolie Holland would be great i think, > I'd add Alela > Diane to that list (seriously folks check out her songs on > myspace > http://www.myspace.com/alelamusic , choose the song The > Rifle - > brilliant. Her album, the Pirate's Gospel, is > beautiful). I've not > heard of Kaki King. > > The Hold Steady? I've been looking forward to that one > Bob. Glad to > hear you're liking it. > GARRET > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Bob Muller > wrote: > > > > Just brainstorming... > > Amy Correia > > Kaki King > > Jolie Holland > > I wouldn't want to see someone TOO famous or > well-established, it would create a conflict in the > audience, much like when I saw her in '98 with Dylan > and there were many Dylan fans not interested at all in > what Joni was doing. > > Bob > > NP: The Hold Steady, "Yeah Sapphire" (yet > ANOTHER outstanding 2008 release, this year is on a roll) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:28:51 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... That's a nice, and appropriate, thought Em. How lovely would it be to hear Yvette with both Joni and Crosby playing? I reaslly must load more the live Joni onto itunes.... GARRET NP- Lou Reed, Caroline Says II On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Em wrote: > Sadly, I don't think any female would work out. > > What if Crosby, solo, opened? > :) > just a thought (and a fantasy) > Em > > --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Garret wrote: > >> From: Garret >> Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... >> To: "Bob Muller" >> Cc: "Monika Bogdanowicz" , "Joni people!" >> Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 11:58 AM >> Hi Bob, >> >> Amy Correia and Jolie Holland would be great i think, >> I'd add Alela >> Diane to that list (seriously folks check out her songs on >> myspace >> http://www.myspace.com/alelamusic , choose the song The >> Rifle - >> brilliant. Her album, the Pirate's Gospel, is >> beautiful). I've not >> heard of Kaki King. >> >> The Hold Steady? I've been looking forward to that one >> Bob. Glad to >> hear you're liking it. >> GARRET >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Bob Muller >> wrote: >> > >> > Just brainstorming... >> > Amy Correia >> > Kaki King >> > Jolie Holland >> > I wouldn't want to see someone TOO famous or >> well-established, it would create a conflict in the >> audience, much like when I saw her in '98 with Dylan >> and there were many Dylan fans not interested at all in >> what Joni was doing. >> > Bob >> > NP: The Hold Steady, "Yeah Sapphire" (yet >> ANOTHER outstanding 2008 release, this year is on a roll) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:59:48 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: my guy Al and Neil Young, njc then my gal Cindy Looks who's peeking out from under a stairway....it's Ms. Treegreen! Hey, Baby! She wrote: Hi Hi! Hi my lovely ones, I miss you. I have been computer less for three weeks. And I haven't an idea of what has been going on . . on the list. Did you see Neil Young on Charlie Rose last night? absolutely FABULOUS. . a MUST see. And Al Gore (my guy): just TERRIFIC! you must have seen him in the news yesterday. . great, great, GREAT! someone maybe will send a clip of these. . . ****** You say Neil was absolutely FABULOUS, and who am I to disagree? But let me just add that I thought he was also F@#$ING AWESOME!!!!!!! Voila, but the video is not up yet just at this moment of the world as I write. The comments are highly enthusiastic (glad to see I'm not alone!) and, quelle coincidence, look what light through yonder right screen breaks: it is Our Lady. It is Our Love! http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/07/17/1/a-conversation-with-neil-young I missed the very beginning last night, and my other PBS station didn't show it later as I'd expected (merde!) but Neil had me in tears at the truth he speaks. And his genius. And his just being so real and Neil and unpretentious. And ambitious! Shine, shine, shine. He was reaching out and pulling my hearts strings in the blue TV screen light. I drew a map of Canada, with two faces sketched on it twice: Joni and Neil. NEIL! Kenny B, remember when we saw Neil in December? Of course you do: Now the seventh of December was covered with snow And so was the turnpike from Mansfield to Oakdale Lord, the Parkway seemed dreamlike on account of that frosting With ten miles behind me and ten thousand more to go There's a song that they sing when they take to the highway A song that they sing when they take to the sea A song that they sing of their home in the sky Maybe you can believe it if it helps you to sleep But singing works just fine for me (Yesiree Bobs, I played and sang Shine and Chrome Dreams all the way down to the sacred ground of the Oakdale (saw Joni there!!!), shakin' into town w/ no brakes complain' on my JMDL-approved no-flat-tires. Yes, RR: me and my buggy -- we beat those meteorites! Beep beep 'em beep, beep, yeah!) Kenny, it was so amazing how, never having seen you face to face before, I could feel you there! I found you IMMEDIATELY underneath the Comcast banner, lost in the crowd. It was like I had Joni's antenna on.....Joni radar, magnet and iron the Joni souls. ANYWAY, Kenny, do you remember how when Neil walked on stage people just starting SHOUTING out his name? As if they were in disbelief that it was really NEIL YOUNG on the stage? There were little orgasmic eruptions all throughout the audience of: NEIL! NEEEEEEEEEEEEIL! NEIL! And a lot of them were male voices. It wasn't just us maids who need a man! "A Man Needs a Maid" had me on the floor. And I love his Crazy Legs! Yes, I mentioned that to my companion, who never noticed them before, so then we were focusing on them. I love the ways he moves his legs when he plays and sings. Something in the way he moves....there's some kind of restless energy in there. Crazy Legs! Back to the interview. (Sorry -- I'm all over the map of Canada today!) I used to really like Charlie until he interviewed Joni. (I agree with you, Terra.) It was just a dream some of us had that he would *ever* interview Joni (while she was in seclusion for so many years), so when it was announced that he would have Joni on I was in heaven. Anticipation! It was a portrait of a disappointment, to put it mildly. I've already written about that, so I won't go back there anymore (you know my key won't....), but he was much better last night. Still, sometimes, I wanted him to just shut up so Neil could go on with his stream. All the power train stuff is over my head, but when he talks about the war....OMG....his anti-war songs that he's played that I could REALLY feel and I just wanted to jump in the TV screen and hug him and say: "Yes, yes, YES!" (like Meg Ryan in that barangrill.....only not faking it...LOL!). Keep on rockin' in the world we are trying to make free, Neil. Uh oh! Help me. When I get this crazy feeling, I know I'm in trouble again. I'd better stop. (How do you stop?) And then someone will come in (there's always somebody bringing you down) and say Neil sucks and then we'll both get soooooo blue. All of the above is just my own love is a story told. And I'm stickin' to it. Thea, dear, thank you so much for telling us about this! Are you still in the SF area? I need a favor. (Ha ha....I'm standing in the center, giving to get something!) MY Gal Cindy (magnet and iron, our souls) is running for Congress (against Nancy Pelosi...it's a rough road to travel) and needs help getting signatures. I'm not asking for no full length mink or telling you to vote for her, BUT if you like Cindy or have friends who do, could you help her out? She needs people (power to the PEOPLE!) to sign her petition to get nominated: http://www.cindyforcongress.org/ Cindy and Dennis Kucinich just accepted me as their friends on Facebook. I'm so jazzed about that! They are my Mighty Mouse and Superman. We have a dream that the wars are done. Facebookers, if you want me to send you an invitation to their pages, call me at the station. The lines are open. Okay, I'd better finish this and sign off before my Love Machine crashes again. Bon weekend, tout le Jonimonde! Love & Peace, Patti P. P.S. Beware of the power of harvest moons! Freedumb Countdown: 185 days, 11 hours _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:00:57 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: oil alberta, njc http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11619777 just learning about this now see this when you can we absolutely must use the gift of the alternative energy sources that are here for us. . just what Al says (and NO nukes ever.) _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fami ly_safety_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:11:17 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Al Gore's speech, njc http://www.moveon.org/r?r=3945&id=13269-9093384-HpWuqBx&t=3 I think you will be able to see it here. pass it on (it starts out a little slow . . give it time) my guy _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:25:48 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Shine on Nelson Mandela Happy 90th birthday to Nelson Mandela. If Joni is aware of the day (as she puts it on), I'm sure she's celebrating him in present tenses. "I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if need be, it is an ideal for which I'm prepared to die." Carry on, Nelson Mandela. Let your big light shine. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenge r2_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either That's as far as you should go, Em, especially if you're fearful of letting anyone in your home. You could always sell them "as is" with a money-back guarantee if the buyer isn't satisfied. That way they can be assured that YOU'RE not trying to pull a scam. I've never sold speakers, just wore 'em out and replaced 'em. Bob NP: Beck, "Chemtrails" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:40:15 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either From: "Em" <<< I'm thinking just set them up on the porch and just show that they function. I can't be expected to let these people "demo" the speakers in detail to determine if they like the sound of them, right? >>> That seems perfectly reasonable, Em. I suppose it really depends on how high-end they are. Folks might not want to shell out hundreds of dollars without assuring themselves they're getting what they expect but putting them on the porch, attached to a system should be acceptable. I don't blame you for not wanting strangers in your home. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: That North Dakota Junction If my Joni history is correct Joni and John Guerin were touring the Hissing album when they broke up. The tour was cut short. I guess most of Hejira was written shortly thereafter on Joni's solo flight across country. So the question is do you think that Joni literally left her man at that North Dakota Junction? Perhaps the tour bus was driving through North Dakota? Or is that just a fiction? ... signing off for now, Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:33:42 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either I read these posts and then re-read them: i really thought it said sneakers, not speakers. Makes a bit more sense now GARRET NP - Architecture in Helsinki, It's 5 On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Cassy wrote: > From: "Em" > > <<< I'm thinking just set them up on the porch and just show that they > function. I can't be expected to let these people "demo" the speakers in > detail to determine if they like the sound of them, right? >>> > > That seems perfectly reasonable, Em. I suppose it really depends on how > high-end they are. Folks might not want to shell out hundreds of dollars > without assuring themselves they're getting what they expect but putting > them on the porch, attached to a system should be acceptable. > > I don't blame you for not wanting strangers in your home. > > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:36:07 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... On 7/18/08, Em wrote: > > Sadly, I don't think any female would work out. Hey Em, can I ask why? I think I may agree with that, but I'm curious why you think that's the case. Jenny who would never ever ever open for Joni, but would be happy to sing backup What if Crosby, solo, opened? > :) > just a thought (and a fantasy) > Em > > --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Garret wrote: > > > From: Garret > > Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... > > To: "Bob Muller" > > Cc: "Monika Bogdanowicz" , "Joni people!" < > joni@smoe.org> > > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 11:58 AM > > Hi Bob, > > > > Amy Correia and Jolie Holland would be great i think, > > I'd add Alela > > Diane to that list (seriously folks check out her songs on > > myspace > > http://www.myspace.com/alelamusic , choose the song The > > Rifle - > > brilliant. Her album, the Pirate's Gospel, is > > beautiful). I've not > > heard of Kaki King. > > > > The Hold Steady? I've been looking forward to that one > > Bob. Glad to > > hear you're liking it. > > GARRET > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Bob Muller > > wrote: > > > > > > Just brainstorming... > > > Amy Correia > > > Kaki King > > > Jolie Holland > > > I wouldn't want to see someone TOO famous or > > well-established, it would create a conflict in the > > audience, much like when I saw her in '98 with Dylan > > and there were many Dylan fans not interested at all in > > what Joni was doing. > > > Bob > > > NP: The Hold Steady, "Yeah Sapphire" (yet > > ANOTHER outstanding 2008 release, this year is on a roll) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:49:10 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either me too. especially after reading Bob's reply - "I've never sold speakers, just wore 'em out and replaced 'em" jenny On 7/18/08, Garret wrote: > > I read these posts and then re-read them: i really thought it said > sneakers, not speakers. Makes a bit more sense now > GARRET > > NP - Architecture in Helsinki, It's 5 > > > > > On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Cassy wrote: > > From: "Em" > > > > <<< I'm thinking just set them up on the porch and just show that they > > function. I can't be expected to let these people "demo" the speakers in > > detail to determine if they like the sound of them, right? >>> > > > > That seems perfectly reasonable, Em. I suppose it really depends on how > > high-end they are. Folks might not want to shell out hundreds of dollars > > without assuring themselves they're getting what they expect but putting > > them on the porch, attached to a system should be acceptable. > > > > I don't blame you for not wanting strangers in your home. > > > > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:50:35 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Joni mention by Kate Clinton Randy wrote, Heard on the radio, political/lesbian/feminist comedienneKate Clinton mentioned gay marraige in Canada, then said"Oh, Canada! I could drink a case of you!".(part of a longer monolouge). that is terrific Randy. thanks for sharing that _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either Jenny said: "> "I've never sold speakers, just wore 'em out > and replaced 'em" jenny" I would sooooooooooo love to "use 'em up, wear 'em out, make 'em do or do without" but they are completely inappropriate for my room. They need to be a. not in a corner and b. on the floor and neither of those things are possible. So they don't get used. (because they sound like re-fried caca) So, I do need to try and sell them.... quite cheaply, too! But if no one buys I will contribute them to our Community Radio station's yearly electronics fund raiser. If $$ weren't tight I would just do that anyway but I'll need the $$ for some (small) replacements. So its not like I'm someone who wheels and deals in electronics! No way. Heck I still had my early 80's JVC boombox til a few months ago! It finally died... :) Just these puppies gotta GO - one way or the other! thanks Jenny, Cassy, Bob and Garret, too - for the input and opinions. Em ps: Jenny I saw your name on a playlist someone had posted a few days ago on another e-list, of some radio station or another, sorry I don't know which. They'd posted it I believe in reference to a cut from Baez' new album being played...but I saw your name on the playlist! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:03:40 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: NJC if you were selling a pair of speakers on Craigslist opinion needed - sorry no music content either On 7/18/08, Em wrote: > > ps: Jenny I saw your name on a playlist someone had posted a few days > ago on another e-list, of some radio station or another, sorry I don't know > which. They'd posted it I believe in reference to a cut from Baez' new album > being played...but I saw your name on the playlist! > cool! I sent my CD out to radio last week (mostly folk/AAA/community, college, and public radio stations). So great to hear it's getting played. jenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: That North Dakota Junction According to "Girls Like Us", you are correct. The ND junction is where she and Guerin split. And 'a woman who drowned herself' was Jackson Browne's wife Phyllis, who commited suicide not from drowning in a well but through a drug OD. "The well was deep & muddy" conjures up a comparison to the dark, dark ladder descending in CBS&SF. Bob NP: Nada Surf, "The Fox" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:22:07 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Re: Pianosoft Jerry, I do? I certainly don't know who recorded the discs in question, whether Joni, or someone else, and I didn't imply that. Did I? Sorry. Maybe Herbie Hancock? That would be cool! So let me frame this in another way. If Joni HAD recorded a master performance into a Disklavier system, say for example the prelude to Cotton Avenue, and then played it back for you on the same piano,, how would that be the 'same as' her performance, and how would it 'differ from' her performance. Opinion will vary. All I was trying to impart was that this system captures a the nuances of actual performance.... It's digitized, but then, rather than being further compressed and man-handled onto a CD for playback thru even the best system imaginable, it would not be as 'true' as taking the digital recording and playing it back thru the analog instrument. Don't mind me. If you're curious, go to your nearest Yamaha dealer and hear the instrument. See if they have any Joni. On Jul 18, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Chuck, > > So you think Joni sat down and recorded these for Yamaha > Disklavier? I don't > think so. Thus, my comments. > > Jerry > > >> The discussion of the Yamaha Disklavier raises some interesting >> points. >> >> Probably awful? Well, it captures the original performance with >> all the >> nuances. So it's as good as the player creating the digital copy, >> including >> the mistakes, if any. >> >> So you can have Dave Brubeck or Paderewski in your living room, >> exactly >> as recorded, moving the hammers and the dampers, striking stings with >> felt hammers. This is really different from the sound coming from >> Hell's >> stereo speakers. This might sound great, but it's not a piano >> 'speaking'. >> >> As far as I know there is little or no aftermarket trade of the >> Disklavier catalog, >> but it sells a lot of pianos. It opens up a whole new market of non- >> players (with >> considerable disposable income.) >> >> Yamaha was extended the concept in its line of 'silent' pianos. Now, >> if they >> could only create the silent violin! >> >> I ran across this site the other day...Jenny can try this but I don't >> think it will >> work very well at 26K! Too cool for words.... >> >> http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/d/spiel_win.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:42:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... I could be wrong, but my sense is that in some circumstances Joni goes together with other women like the ends of 2 magnets that prevent you from touching them together go together. There's just a force of nature that prevents it. Or, maybe the same reason you don't put 2 female dogs in the same pen together unless you know them really well and they know each other really well. My sense, and again I could be wrong, is that she's really comfortable with men - especially professionally. Not that she has any prob with women on the whole (because I don't know about these things firsthand)....but I can see where coming back for a big tour of that sort, she'd prefer to be around guys. Just a hunch! :) Would be fun if I were wrong. I'd like to see either Thea Gilmore or Neko Case open for her. Em - --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > From: Jenny Goodspeed > Subject: Re: If Joni were to tour.... > To: "Em" > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 2:36 PM > On 7/18/08, Em wrote: > > > > Sadly, I don't think any female would work out. > > > Hey Em, can I ask why? I think I may agree with that, but > I'm curious why > you think that's the case. > > Jenny > who would never ever ever open for Joni, but would be happy > to sing backup > > What if Crosby, solo, opened? > > :) > > just a thought (and a fantasy) > > Em ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #138 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------