From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #131 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 12 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 131 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: DED [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: DED ["Marion Leffler" ] The story behind.... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: DED [Susan E McNamara ] Joni the confessional songwriter? [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Joni the confessional songwriter? ["Randy Remote" ] Re: JT in Saskatoon tonight! njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The story behind.... ["T Peckham" ] Joni Covers 102 - Cursed! [Bob Muller ] and the seasons go round and round VLJC [Mark-Leon Thorne ] NJC Park 'n' Ride NYC and a mondegreen station [Patti Parlette ] njc, Night in the City: Manhattanhenge [Patti Parlette Subject: Re: DED Yeah, Craig. DED is special to me because it is really when I started to notice Joni. I had listened to and owned albums before that one but I guess I felt DED was speaking to my generation (was that X or Y?). I guess you could replace Ethiopia with any number of countries now. Ethiopia still applies too. Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Eritrea, Rwanda, Sudan. Take your pick. The song is not only about Ethiopia but about our desensitisation of these situations. TV news can bring us closer to what is happening in the world but they are commentaries and a particular perspective. They are coloured views and filmed for dramatic effect, often with sappy music behind it. That's what struck me about the song, Ethiopia the most. I never listened to it as Joni's news broadcast. It was her anger at how the media presents tragedy that got my attention. Mark in Sydney PS Marion, have a lovely Winter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:42:14 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: DED oops, sorry Mark, for being so thoughtless! Of course it isn't summer everywhere in the world, so whatever season you are in wherever you are (forgive my poor knowledge of geography) I hope you all enjoy it! And Mark, Australian spring will soon arrive as sure as the autumns leaves will soon be falling here in Sweden, so if winter is not to your liking, have faith:-) - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 11 juli 2008 09:40 Till: cactustreemotel@gmail.com Kopia: JMDL Dmne: Re: DED Yeah, Craig. DED is special to me because it is really when I started to notice Joni. I had listened to and owned albums before that one but I guess I felt DED was speaking to my generation (was that X or Y?). I guess you could replace Ethiopia with any number of countries now. Ethiopia still applies too. Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Eritrea, Rwanda, Sudan. Take your pick. The song is not only about Ethiopia but about our desensitisation of these situations. TV news can bring us closer to what is happening in the world but they are commentaries and a particular perspective. They are coloured views and filmed for dramatic effect, often with sappy music behind it. That's what struck me about the song, Ethiopia the most. I never listened to it as Joni's news broadcast. It was her anger at how the media presents tragedy that got my attention. Mark in Sydney PS Marion, have a lovely Winter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: The story behind.... I was just curious after coming across this tidbit again--Joni throwing a drink in Jann (or is it Jan) Wenner's face (from Rolling Stone)? What is the story behind that? Why'd Joni throw a drink at Jann? - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:40:33 -0400 From: Susan E McNamara Subject: RE: DED Hey Craig, I was listening to Dog Eat Dog this week. I was really getting into Good Friends. Impossible Dreamer is probably in my top 10 of favorite Joni songs. Ethiopia was never one of my favorites but the bridge is so beautiful "Little garden planet ..." I love that. Plus who else would have the balls to hire Rod Steiger for a song than our Joni? :-) Seeya, Sue ___________________ /___________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ http://www.jmdl.com/guitar http://www.cloudheights.blogspot.com "It's all a dream she has awake." - Joni Mitchell Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:25:38 -0500 From: Happy The Man Subject: DED This album rocks my world (good 80's term). I've found myself listening to it more now, trying to not to be a pessimist. But I would like to hear responses on does this album some 23 years later speak to you more now then it did when it was release? Change the name.... Ethiopia with _________? Just wondering? I've got a flight to catch for the fourth day in a row...shit...shit... Peace, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:29:31 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Joni the confessional songwriter? On the same topic - From the Mojo interview.................................... To be called a 'confessional writer' is repugnant to me, snaps Joni Mitchell. "The term makes what I do seem cheap and gimmicky. 'Confession' to me is having a gun stuck to your head or going ... not what I do. If someone calls me a confessional writer, it is ignorant and insulting." On an otherwise lovely southern California afternoon on the outdoor patio of a restaurant in the upscale Los Angeles area known as ... one of the architects of the confessional school of songwriting has caused her to go on the offensive. "What did I ever confess to?" she demands. "Name one of my songs that was confessional!" ========================================== Confession to me however, means a story of or as of one's life experiences, revealing faults and/or guilt and confidential personal details. So I would say that I think that "River" may be one of the most confessional songs that I have ever heard; "Lesson in Survival" is another.. While I would not label Joni as confessional - I would certainly say that her music during certain periods was very confessional. And I don't understand why she would think this is ignorant or insulting. I think its honest ,real and pure myself................Stewart? - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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I hate to admit it here, but in terms of a live performance, I'd choose to see JT over anyone else, and two of our four children are named after him (our second daughter Kristen Taylor and our new son, Owen Robert James, who arrived on June 2nd). But anyway, I just had to share the loving sarcasm of my wife. I said "wouldn't it be cool if for some reason Joni was in town and she just sort of popped in to see JT backstage or something" and my wife replied "Yes, and then she'd come onstage with him, and then they'd pick us out of the audience and we'd all go for drinks together and we'd all live happily ever after...." Ah, God love the JMDL spouses.... TGIF, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:21:18 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: JT in Saskatoon tonight! njc Very cool, Rob - enjoy the show. I like JT a lot, even given the fact that the arc of his career is pretty much a flat line. Nothing wrong with being a 1-trick pony when you do the trick as well as he does for as long as he has. I've never seen him live, though. Sounds like you and your wife deserve each other, dude - kindred spirits, soulmates and that sort of nonsense. And congrats on the arrival of your son, now you're a SERIOUS parent. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Darlene" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Aw jeez, now I gotta go try to look it all up! Thanks a lot, Monika! :-D :-) Terra On 7/11/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > > I was just curious after coming across this tidbit again--Joni throwing a > drink in Jann (or is it Jan) Wenner's face (from Rolling Stone)? What is > the > story behind that? Why'd Joni throw a drink at Jann? > -Monika > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers 102 - Cursed! I've been trying to get the link for Covers Volume 102 out for 2 days now and for some reason nothing is getting sent to smoe. Here's the link to Volume 102: http://tinyurl.com/6s4yml I'll write more about it this weekend, I just want to see if this shows up on the list first. I think that Smurf put the hoodoo on me or something. Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Overdrive" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:08 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: and the seasons go round and round VLJC Hello Marion. Welcome back from your holiday. I'm very envious. I still dream of one day going to Germany. Sweden too for that matter. I have just had a guest staying with me from Brazil (where it is also Winter but nowhere near as cold as Sydney). It was his first time in Australia. I took a week off work to play Tour Guide. We had a wonderful time. I wish it was longer because he only got to see Sydney. We did take a drive up into the Blue Mountains to spend the day however. I know the best places to take tourists. He had an amazed look on his face the whole time. The canyons and valleys up there are quite a sight. I took him to excellent sites around the harbour where the view is panoramic. We also went to the new Apple store (second largest in the world) and to the Lindt Chocolate Cafe (only one in the world). I love to have guests from overseas because I do things that I think about but never get to. I have been intending to go to the Opera House to see the Sydney Symphony Orchestra for a long time but never got around to it. We went on Friday night and it was a wonderful experience. Very elegant. I'm no expert in symphony orchestras but, I was transfixed. It was only my second time to see a show at the Sydney Opera House. The first time was about 20 years ago to see the Sydney Dance Company. I wish I had the chance to see Joni's only performance there. Sydney is very chilly at the moment. This is the coldest time of the year. Although it doesn't snow in Sydney, it does around the edges and there have been falls in the mountains and the western plains and the winds blow over Sydney. I think my guest might have expected a similar Winter to Brazil. His city (Belo Horizonte) is about 10 degrees warmer than Sydney. He did not bring appropriate clothing. Luckily, I was able to help him out. He gave me a Brazilian CD. Bebel Gilberto. I was already aware of her music and actually had some. He speaks a little Spanish so I played him the clip of Roxana Amed's Spanish cover of Amelia. He was able to understand most of the lyrics. Have a lovely Summer in Lund. The same goes for everyone in the Northern Hemisphere. For those of us in the South, keep warm and enjoy the Winter wonderland. Mark in Sydney NP Growing Up - Peter Gabriel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:26:10 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Joni the confessional songwriter? > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:51:34 -0700 > From: motitan75@yahoo.com > Subject: Joni the confessional songwriter? > To: joni@smoe.org > > It is often said that Joni is or was a confessional songwriter, which in > essence has no sort of connotation whatsoever. It can't be deemed positive or > negative. It is a writing style in which one derives material based on > personal experience. Seems simple enough, right? > Well, back in the day (70's or so) Joni basically nodded in agreement that > she was a confessional songwriter, particularly during Blue. I've read > interviews where she's down with that title. How come more recently, say > nowadays, she shuns the title? In one of her most recent interviews she said > she was never a confessional songwriter--that confessional songwriting is like > saying, "ooh I need to confess this, forgive me." That isn't word for word > what she said but it is along the same lines. Anyway, my question to you is, > why does Joni reject that idea now? > -Mon I'd like to know that as well... It's like denying that the sun is hot... Of course Joni's songs are confessional, at least some of them are... sure, they may not be completly autobiographical, but certainly many of them are confessional, paticularly the songs on "Blue", "For the Roses"," Court and spark" and "Hejira"... _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ messenger_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:58:49 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC Park 'n' Ride NYC and a mondegreen station cHUCKe wrote: A cool place to do this is at the Connepin (NJ)station.... **** Hey, Chuck! (Ha ha....I feel like Peppermint Patty talking to Charlie Brown!) Are you sure you don't mean Ink-on-a-pin Station? How about Terrapin Station? Bon weekend, tout le Jonimonde! Love, Patti P, running behind the times because my LOVE MACHINE (that's the name of my computer) in on the blink. Most of the time I can't type anything...the cursor won't move, OR I get asterisks that just keep going on and on....and then at times a loud sound of really really really fast bongo-drumming and I can't fiddle for all the drumming! Just at this moment of the world it seems to work so let's see. Maybe it's paranoia, but I'm wondering if Bushco has me on some kind of cyber-gag order and won't let me write. At least Sen. Chris Dodd and the ACLU have the fight and insight to go after them. Freedumb Countdown: 192 days, 5 hours TERRAPIN STATION lyrics by Robert Hunter Inspiration, move me brightly light the song with sense and color, hold away despair More than this I will not ask faced with mysteries dark and vast statements just seem vain at last some rise, some fall, some climb to get to Terrapin Counting stars by candlelight all are dim but one is bright: the spiral light of Venus rising first and shining best, From the northwest corner of a brand-new crescent moon crickets and cicadas sing a rare and different tune Terrapin Station in the shadow of the moon Terrapin Station and I know we'll be there soon Terrapin - I can't figure out Terrapin - if it's an end or the beginning Terrapin - but the train's got its brakes on and the whistle is screaming: TERRAPIN (released on July 27, 1977....fyi Muller! LOL!) _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:40:38 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: The story behind.... Hi Ann, I grew up in a Mississippi rivertown, Prairie du Chien, spent time on and off in Madison (where I am currently), and my brother and his family all llve in Milwaukee and environs. I think I might have been in Sheboygan exactly once in my life, when my band played the area back in the late 70s. I think I spotted someone else on the list with Wisconsin roots, but I can't recall whom--? I should add to my previous comment that I think Joni was named "Old Lady of the Year" or somesuch in that long-ago RS article. I'd have thrown more than a drink. ;-) Terra On 7/11/08, ann jensen wrote: > > just see that you grew up in wisconsin - i'm from sheboygan > now in milw - before that madison - you? > ann > > > > > Because he's a petulant misogynist little troll? :-P > > > > Sorry, it was just the first thing that came to mind. I > > don't recall the > > specifics of this particular incident--no doubt someone > > else will--but Joni > > had a long-running feud with Mr. Wenner after the mag ran a > > family tree sort > > of depiction of her love affairs with other musicians. > > (Which I've never > > seen, BTW. As a teenager in small-town Wisconsin, it was a > > miracle the > > drugstore carried RS at all, and the few copies they had > > got bought up > > quickly, and this was one I missed.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:58:00 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Night in the City: Manhattanhenge I just heard about this on the news: At sunset tomorrow our NYC friends will be able to see the sun...oh (weak and a lazy mind), just let me paste from Wikipedia: "Manhattanhenge (sometimes referred to as Manhattan Solstice) is a semi-annual occurrence in which the setting sun aligns with the east-west streets of Manhattan's main street grid. The term is derived from Stonehenge, at which the sun aligns with the stones on the solstices. It was coined in 2002 by Neil deGrasse Tyson, an astrophysicist at the American Museum of Natural History. It applies to those streets that follow the Commissioners' Plan of 1811, which laid out a grid offset 28.9 degrees from true east-west. At sunset, a traveler along one of the north-south avenues on the West Side looking east can observe the phenomenon indirectly, being struck by the reflected light of the many windows which are aligned with the grid. An observer on the East Side can look west and see the Sun shining down a canyon-like street. The dates of Manhattanhenge are usually May 28 and July 12 or July 13 (spaced evenly around Summer Solstice). The two corresponding mornings of sunrise right on the center lines of the Manhattan grid are approximately December 5 and January 8 (spaced evenly around Winter Solstice).[1] As with the solstices and equinoxes, the dates vary somewhat from year to year." I think it's tomorrow. Maybe google around to be sure, if you're interested. Here's another link: http://haydenplanetarium.org/resources/starstruck/manhattanhenge/ Laura et famille, I hope you get to see this! (When are you leaving your car at Connepin/Inkonapin Station?) You too, Patrick and Kay and DL and Kenny B if you're in the city, and anyone else in the area. It sounds so cool: "sun shining down a canyon-like street"....and the guy on the news (not the guy at the gas pumps) said you can see it "river to river." Multiple TICS: Oh, I wish I had a river... You and me deep kisses and the sun going down. Coloring the sunshine hours They are the ladies of the canyon To talk of (tenement) castles in the sun.... Watching the glorious sun setting... and you know there may be more! Just keep one eye out for the beat police, and *especially* those sunset pigs! xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:03:47 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Spike Lee to shoot biopic on UConn time travel researcher Musik Meister Muller recently mentioned the old "The Time Tunnel" show, and then I saw this in the paper. (Joni says we can't return -- or can we?) "STORRS  - Imagine picking up the phone and Spike Lee's on the line and he's telling you he wants to make a movie about your life. Not just a small, arty film, but a major motion picture. That's exactly what happened to Ron Mallett, a University of Connecticut physics professor who has developed a theory for time travel that could be a blueprint for a real time machine. It seems the award-winning filmmaker read Mallett's memoir and was captivated by the tale of an African American boy so traumatized by the death of his father that he was driven to try to build a time machine so he could go back and save his father's life. Mallett's memoir is a frank, personal journey about growing up in the Bronx, facing poverty and racism and eventually becoming among the first African Americans in the country to earn a Ph.D. in theoretical physics...... .....Mallett, of East Hartford, said he hopes the movie will debunk stereotypes about African Americans. He is particularly bothered by Nobel-prize winning physicist William Shockley, co-discoverer of the transistor, who said African Americans are intrinsically intellectually inferior. "A movie like this would completely overturn that once and for all," he said." Bring it on! The whole article is here: http://www.courant.com/community/news/ec/hc-spikeleemovie0711.artjul11,0,5074178.story Prof. Mallett hopes that some of it will be filmed at UConn, but of course that is all up to Mr. Lee. That would be cool! Maybe I can be part of a (lost in a) crowd scene, or just some particles of change orbiting around the sun. ("The tiny device would send subatomic particles and information like radio waves back through time, a possibility that could have mind-boggling applications.) Reporting alive, alive, from Storrs/Mansfield, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:12:36 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joe Cocker with subtitles, or fun with Mondegreens NJC Oh god, that was good, really LOL From: "Richard Flynn" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4_MsrsKzMM My mondegreens ( I too had never heard that word b4 jmdl) Under neon signs a girl was in bloom, and a woman was fading With his head full of and songs from the hit parade Thrilling to the like things that he said (because a Canadian says Bran-doo?) Is this Joni's most mondegreeneous song? It is for me. RR, still in the thick of wildfires and smoke (125 of them still burning in our county, going on 3 weeks now), causing me to miss the NW Jonifest!! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #131 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------