From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #124 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, July 5 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 124 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: the genius to save this place, plus Neil Diamond ["Jerry Notaro" ] NJC Happy 4th! [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni pretentious or ambitious? ["Mark Scott" ] kecap manis? -njc [David Eoll ] njc, On the Fourth of July [Patti Parlette ] njc, the genius to save this place [Patti Parlette ] Re: kecap manis? -njc [David Eoll ] Re: njc, Fireworks [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: the genius to save this place, plus Neil Diamond Neil also does a great cover of Free Man In Paris. Jerry Rian Afriadi wrote: > Mark wrote : > > Indeed Patti, I remember someone saying "money is the root of all evil" a > long time ago. > >>>> > Ah... I wish I could get 1 dollar everytime i say "money is the root of > all evil".... > > Anyway, > Today i went to a music store during, and I bought me a CD. > It's Neil Diamond - Gold. > I didn't look at the track list, but i was just happy enough to find I > Am...I Said. > > Then, I went back to my office, played that CD on my PC. > It took me a few minutes to realize that the CD contains two Joni covers : > Both Sides Now and Chelsea Morning. > > Whoooa. > > Rian > NP. Neil Diamond - CHelsea Morning ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:34:47 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: njc, the genius to save this place "Ah, there's nothing wrong with her that a hundred dollars won't fix"- Tom Waits On Jul 2, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Mark Angelo wrote: > Indeed Patti, I remember someone saying "money is the root of all > evil" a > long time ago. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:39:54 -0400 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: sjc, My happiest Joni moment ever What a beautiful story!!!!?? brought tears to my eyes! Ken (out of lurkdom) N/P? aimee mann ("she of the paper thin voice"-a delightful quote from Bob, but I love aimee nonetheless)/Stranger into Starman - -----Original Message----- From: Patti Parlette To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:40 pm Subject: sjc, My happiest Joni moment ever Bon soir, Joniami(e)s! Since this is the one year anniversary of my happiest Joni moment ever, I'm finally going to write about it. I think Monika posed this question a few months ago, but I wasn't ready. Apologies if this should be njc; sometimes I just don't know. In the spirit of "love is a story told", here goes. On June 30th, 2007, my son got married. If you've never experienced this, let me just say that there is a lot of build-up and preparation and family stuff (sometimes stressful) involved. Plus, this wedding was far away (Kansas City), so there was a little sadness that many of my friends and family were unable to attend. Now, I've shared a few stories about this boy -- that first-born son, that special one -- who has been a joy and a terrible Joni tease and so much more. He's very independent and rather stubborn. A sweetheart (senior "class cutie"), but cool -- fifty-fifty fire and ice. Gee, it's really hard to put him in just a few sentences. You give so much to your child and, like Leonard Cohen said, you lose a little part of yourself, or rather, you just sacrifice so much so that they will be happy and turn out well. As Sherelle sings: "You are my heart." All those hockey and baseball games, dislocated shoulders, won't eat his vegetables, knee injuries, proms, c! ar wheels through the town (what, me worry?), terrible twos, teen-age insolence (You don't know ANYTHING about life!), etc. Okay, enough of that. If you are a parent, you know what I'm talking about. There is no purer love. Up and down, and still somehow, you really DO know love at all. Anyway, in the months leading up to the wedding I would casually ask: "What song are we going to dance to?" Chris: I don't know Me: How about Circle Game? Wouldn't that be perfect? You know, the lyrics are so.... Chris: MOM! NO JONI AT MY WEDDING! Another time: Me: So what are we going to dance to? Chris: I'm trying to find the theme song from "Throw Mama From The Train". (BRAT!!!) Another time: Me: So what are we going to dance to? Chris, nonchalant: It's NOT that big a deal, Mom. We'll just let the DJ pick something. I shared these conversations with some of his friends at the rehearsal dinner and at the wedding, and no one really had a clue what Chris would do. One of his female friends, Jamie, was *sure* he would have Circle Game, but I really didn't think he would. I was trying to have no expectations and just enjoy his happiness. This was his day, after all. Not mine. (Not mine, these glamour gowns.) The father of the bride went first and, despite his plans with my new daughter-in-law to dance to a different song, he sang a capella (sp?) a song he used to sing to her when she was a baby. It was beautiful and there was not a dry eye among the 250 people there. (I knew about 50 of them.) Then, all in a dream, all in a dream, the DJ said: "And now the groom will dance with his mother." As my little boy, all six foot five of him, stepped down from the head table, I suddenly heard THAT VOICE. "Yesterday, a child came out to wonder..." I think I gasped and said OH MY GOD and my hand flew to my mouth. I froze. I was overcome. Then my brothers and nieces and nephews said: "Get up! Get up there!" Still in a dream, I walk out to meet my son in the middle of the dance floor, and HE is CRYING! And he says: "I love you, Mom." (He said: "I love you, Mom!") Through tears, I said "I love you, too, honey. I can't believe you picked this song! You did it!" and put my arms way up high (he's a foot taller than me) on his shoulders and we went round and round and round in the circle game. At one point in the dizzy dancing way you feel when every fairy tale comes real I saw his friend Jamie and gave her a huge beaming "thumbs-up" (which the photographer caught). Later my younger son said: "Mom! Did you know that you were SINGING the whole song?" (LOL, I wasn't even aware.) A year later I still get goosebumps and tears of joy. It was the ultimate sign of love and respect for him to pick this song. And to have Joni's voice accompanying the happiest four minutes of my life was just....well, I'm sure you understand. And the perfect words....I really felt like we had come full circle. I bore him, and raised him, and now my work is complete. He married a lovely young woman, from a really nice family. Amen. When I floated back to my table, I grabbed my cellphone and told everyone I'd be right back. One nephew said: "Where is Aunt Patti going?" My youngest brother said: "I think she's going to call one of her Joni friends." LOL! Darn right! One of the best writers I know -- someone we all know and love -- posted for me: Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:40:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: "Circle Game" it is . . . NJC For those of you playing the home version of "What Song Will Patti's Son Pick to Dance with His Mother to at His Wedding" -- the results are in! As many of us were betting, it was indeed "Circle Game!" Patti, very stylishly dressed in her 30s evening gown, was promptly reduced to a puddle. Captive, - - --Smurf And now you know the REST of the story. Wishing you all such Joni joy, and love, the greatest beauty, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:41:15 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: On tour with Tom! (njc)--not really a spoiler as he changes the setlist every show Hey Victor, thanks for the review. I'm off to see Tom on August 1st - can't wait. GARRET On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Victor Johnson wrote: > Just got out of the Jacksonville show not too long ago...Tom Waits was on > fire! I always love his solo piano stuff...he played On the Nickel, I Can't > Wait to Get Off Work, and Invitation to the Blues. The sound seemed to be > better from that point on as well. He has also hilarious as usual. Some > guy shouted out "I want to have your baby" and he said "You know, they can > actually do that now...talk my manager Stuart Ross after the show. But my > sperm has gotten pretty expensive, you know, its a valuable resource" And > he said he had ingested some pond water a few months ago and they checked > him out and found he had swallowed three toads. He said there's only a > problem when he's watching tv as they can be pretty loud." And he said in > China they have a plan where every single person there is going to climb up > a ladder, jump off, and throw the earth off it's access. He said they're > importing ladders to China and then said he was just kidding. > > The encore was a rather nice "House Where Nobody Lives." I did run into > Jody and Scott after the show, talked a bit, and have plans to get an early > breakfast in the morning. I'm having quite a blast....never gone on a tour > before, it's actually kind of fun. Met some cool people beforehand at a > nearby English pub. > > And Patti, your hug was delivered! > > Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:34:21 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Birmingham baby!!!!! (njc) I'm actually back home in Atlanta after pulling in at about 3:30 this morning. Somehow I was able to make that 2 hour drive from Birmingham even though I was dead tired. Even when I was just cruising into downtown Atlanta, at first it just seemed like another city...it didn't occur to me that I actually live here! It's a weird juxtaposition of feelings as I'm back home so it felt a bit like an ending, but there's one more show tomorrow night, at the Fox, so it's not completely over...almost like I'm being let off slowly, gradually. I did feel a little bit of melancholy after the performance last night, and I hung around, just for a little bit, not wanting to let go. But anyway, backtracking about a day, I woke up a little after 8am and decided to drive down to Dauphin Island and walk on the beach. There's something magical about walking in sand and the watching the waves, feeling them roll over your feet before being dragged back into the vast abyss that is the ocean. I probably trudged along for about a mile....I kept hoping to end up at a restaurant with a patio on the water and a much needed Bloody Mary but it was all houses. The sand was getting cumbersome so I walked up to the road and still just houses. At that point, I decided to walk back to my car in the blistering hot sun which was soooo hot and made me wonder what I had been thinking, driving down to this beach with just houses everywhere. They even have big blue signs that say restaurants with an arrow pointing in such and such directions but when you drive in that direction, there's just more houses. I finally found a place that looked promising, The Crab Shack....it was 10 till 11, just 10 minutes to wait for a refreshing bloody mary....but then while I was waiting there they put up a sign saying they wouldn't be opening till 1 due to a water leak. Aaarghhh!!! Eventually though, I did find a place back over the bridge, the Pelican Brief, and the Bloody Mary was very refreshing and very spicy. Somewhere past Montgomery but before Birmingham, there's a sign with a picture of a devil and pitchfork, that says "Go to church, or the devil is going to get you." So I pulled into downtown Birmingham and found the theater pretty quickly. There was a small group of people standing on the corner by the tourbus. Apparently, Tom had gone in for a soundcheck and they were waiting to see he would come out. I met a young girl named Agatha from Tulsa, Oklahoma who had driven 10 hours to come to the show. There was a local girl named Kim Waits who said she was a distant relative and wanted to tell Tom and turn him on to his family history. And a guy from Cleveland who was determined to get a picture of Tom. We probably stood out there a little over an hour waiting (I had nothing better to do.) At one point, some of the crew moved a big rectangular case to block our view of the short walk from the door to the bus. Cleveland guy actually climbed and stood on top of a trashcan with his camera out. One of the crew told him to get down and of course he insisted he had a legal right to stand there...blah blah. Personally I thought it was a little tacky and very paparazzi like behaviour. Eventually though his feet got tired so he hopped down. Not long after, Tom came out, waved his hand up over the black case...Kim shouted out that she was a Waits too and they were related. Tom said that was great (with a slight bit of sarcasm?) and went into the bus. I was tired of standing on the street corner so I decided to go over to Speak Easy, a bar down the street. When I left, a couple of guys were ordering a pizza to be delivered to the street corner. There was also a girl wearing a pink ballerina dress...looked like she stepped right out of Jethro Tull "A Passion Play" The bar was very crowded but I ran into a couple from England who were doing the tour and talked to a girl from Maryland who was very cool. She had driven down and was staying in a hotel room with 8 people that evening. I also met a guy from Greensboro who knew several friends of mine from college as well as several faculty members, met some more people from Atlanta with mutual friends, and also talked to a guy from Tampa who knew some of the same people as well. I'm really starting to believe in the 6 degrees of separation thing. This night I was on the 5th row but a bit to the right. I would have preferred to have been more in the center but the view was very good. Again, the evening had a different feel to it. After having seen him twice in the previous two nights, at first I wasn't as engaged as I had been in Mobile but I was more just sitting back and enjoying it, noticing little details in the presentation of the songs, how many of them were the same but were just a little different. I was expecting him to pull out some sort of a surprise and was delighted when all of the sudden the familiar melody from the album Alice, and the words "Did you hear the news about Edward..." wafted across the stage into the crowd. I also found myself really starting to like some of the regular songs....the band is so very good and can stop on a dime, literally! On of his songs, Tom kind of half falls down, leaning way to one side, and the music starts wobble and sort of collapse...then he stands up again and it picks right up. The other night in Mobile, he was pretending to bounce/throw a ball around, and the band did exactly whatever he did....it was totally insane and crazy and wonderful! The other song he hadn't done in a few days was November which was very nice as well. The last couple of songs were a wash of emotions, with the melancholy "Dirt in the Ground"- We're all gonna be...dirt in the ground, and a merry "Come On Up to the House." A very nice usher unlocked the display case and gave me one of the concert cards that I am definitely going to have to frame. I actually have an night off tonight though my band is playing at the Moonshadow Tavern. I'm still feeling the rush from this trip so it should be a fun night...I'm working on at least one Tom Waits song to do tonight, Jersey Girl. Victor, tired but elated ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 09:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Happy 4th! Happy 4th of July to the folks in the U.S.A! Blow things up, bbq, spend time with the people you love (or pretend to love...only kidding), and take it easy. And to those who don't celebrate outside the U.S., have a good weekend nonetheless! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:31:33 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni pretentious or ambitious? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" To: "Joni people!" ; "Catherine McKay" Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Joni pretentious or ambitious? > I suppose by some people, ambitious could be derogatory, yes. > However, I > didn't intend it that way. To me, ambition is a beautiful thing. > What I mean > when I say Joni is ambitious is that she STRIVES for perfection on > her own > terms. With the millions of the lost and lonely ones I called out to be released *Caught in my struggle for higher achievements* And my search for love That don't seem to cease - ----------------------------------------------------------- Well I looked at the granite markers Those tributes to finality, to Eternity And then I looked at myself here *Chicken scratching for my immortality* Ambitious, yes. She pushes the envelope and strives for growth. She struggles for higher achievements and wants to be immortalized in her work. Pretentious, no. Challenging, perceptive, intelligent, complex - these adjectives do not add up to pretentiousness. To me, pretentious implies an impressive front with nothing behind it. The pretentious want to impress. But in reality the pretentious emperor has no clothes. There is too much genuine depth behind Joni's work to ever make her guilty of being pretentious. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:20:08 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: kecap manis? -njc I seem to remember seeing a poster on this list that seemed to be from Indonesia, or somewhere in that part of the world. I was just about to order some kecap manis from an online Indonesian grocer, and I was wondering what the preferred brand is. The options appear to be: ABC, Bango, and Jual Sate. Anyone who has any idea what I'm talking about feel free to chime in. Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:04:10 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, On the Fourth of July Happy Fourth of July, American Joniamigos and the rest of the Jonimonde! I had "fireworks at the end of the day" last night (LOL, no, not the kind Joni was talking about!) and, trying to make the best of a bad "again and again the same situation" (for so many years in the dark cafe of President Freedumb's strong and wrong disasters), I said to my dear companions: "Now we can *really* celebrate. This is the LAST 4th of July under King George!" We were sitting under some trees, and the light show above filtered through the lacy leaves, and weaved a pattern all its own. All of a sudden I said: "It looks like filigree on leaf and vine, Vine and leaf are filigree!" and EK said: "What???" and JP said: "Don't mind her. It's probably some Joni line." They shake their heads and take me as I am. I dedicated the grande finale boom BOOMS to the end of an error. Boom BOOM and adios Pachyderm Repuglicans! This is your last year if I have anything to say about it! We're going to spread OUR light like blazes all across the sky. I swear on the stars above I do! I swear on the streetlight on the corner Shoving back the shadows! Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again To everything (turn, turn, turn) There is a season (turn, turn, turn) And a time for every purpose, under heaven A time to gain, a time to lose A time to rend, a time to sew A time to love, a time to hate A time for peace, I swear its not too late And in the spirit of the day, here's a JT gem for you all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNQuGHET6io Oh the smell of the smoke as we lay on the land and the feeling of finding my heart in my hand with the tiny tin voice of the radio band singing "love must stand" love forever and ever must stand All on the Fourth of July On the Fourth of July Love must stand! Patti P., with a tear in her eye, for the Fourth of July (Countdown: 199 more days) _________________________________________________________________ The im Talkaton. Can 30-days of conversation change the world? http://www.imtalkathon.com/?source=EML_WLH_Talkathon_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 01:37:56 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, the genius to save this place One of our many intrepid travelers wrote: > "Ah, there's nothing wrong with her that a hundred dollars won't fix"- > Tom Waits in rely to Mark Angelo's: > >> Indeed Patti, I remember someone saying "money is the root of all >> evil" a >> long time ago. Geeze, Victor, now you and Jody BOTH have TWOCD! Get back, get back Get back to where you once belonged: JMOCD! It's: Money, money, money... Money makes the trees come down It makes mountains into molehills Big money kicks the wide wide world around. Just kidding. It's all good. I hope everyone's having a good weekend, whether you are traveling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafe, cast upon a beachtown, or out on some borderline or mark of in-between. I come out to wonder how the Northern California meet-up went. Looking forward to those reports. And speaking of California (oh, but California!), I keep seeing reports on the wildfires (Beep, beep, RR! How goes it?), and now they are in my beloved Goleta/SB -- our old stomping (dawntreading) ground, Kate. I just looked up pictures and they are scary: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-42487 Shine on all the brave firefighters doing their jobs. Let's send them the spirit of the water, and the courage and the grace to save this place. Love, Patti P., who attended Goleta Valley Junior High School in 1967 NP outside my window sill: fireworks at the end of the day up the street _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:35:12 -0500 From: Jeannie Subject: Re: kecap manis? -njc Hi David. I think it's our fellow JMDLer, Rian, who may be able to help you choose the preferred brand of kecap manis bought at the Indonesian grocery stores What is kecap manis, anyway? I'll search it out on the net right now. Good luck on getting the best brand. Jeannie On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM, David Eoll wrote: > I seem to remember seeing a poster on this list that seemed to be from > Indonesia, or somewhere in that part of the world. I was just about to > order some kecap manis from an online Indonesian grocer, and I was wondering > what the preferred brand is. The options appear to be: ABC, Bango, and > Jual Sate. Anyone who has any idea what I'm talking about feel free to > chime in. > > Peace, > David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:43:54 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: kecap manis? -njc Yes, that's the name. I couldn't remember. Thanks. My understanding is that kecap manis is sweet soy sauce. There is a Thai version, which I already have, but the Indonesian may be a bit different. I don't know yet. Peace, David Jeannie wrote: > Hi David. > > I think it's our fellow JMDLer, Rian, who may be able to help you choose > the preferred brand of kecap manis bought at the Indonesian grocery stores > > What is kecap manis, anyway? > > I'll search it out on the net right now. > > Good luck on getting the best brand. > > Jeannie > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM, David Eoll wrote: > > >>I seem to remember seeing a poster on this list that seemed to be from >>Indonesia, or somewhere in that part of the world. I was just about to >>order some kecap manis from an online Indonesian grocer, and I was wondering >>what the preferred brand is. The options appear to be: ABC, Bango, and >>Jual Sate. Anyone who has any idea what I'm talking about feel free to >>chime in. >> >>Peace, >>David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc, Fireworks Fireworks! Fworks! Fworx! Wirefurks! Every year at a place called Ontario Place down on the waterfront, they have the Festival of Fire - four nights of fireworks (every second night) presented by different countries. July 1, Canada Day, was Canada's turn. Last night was Latin America's turn and the fireworks were amazing. We can sit on our balcony and see them. Some of the colours are amazing - there are even pinks and purples and blues. I love that people would spend so much money and time creating these displays that are completely ephemeral and done for no other reason than just to look absolutely gorgeous. Much better than madmen sitting up building bombs and making laws and bars. Fortunately the weather has been absolutely brilliant since July 1 with sunny and hot - but not too hot - days and cool nights - perfect summer weather for me - so the night sky is deep indigo and you can see a few stars even amidst the light pollution of the big city, so the pyrotechnics are that much more spectacular. - --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Patti Parlette wrote: NP outside my window sill: fireworks at the end of the day up the street __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! 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