From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #113 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 24 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 113 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Furry sings the blues [Michel BYRNE ] NJC Mary Ann Redmond/Eva Cassidy [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Furry sings the blues [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: ?? [Laura Stanley ] re: ?? [Laura Stanley ] Re: Fw: george carlin njc njc long [Jeannie ] Re: ?? ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning... now summer Joni [Laura Stanley ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Spanking Joni Mitchell on YouTube and Gossip Girl [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni now NJC [Gary Z ] From Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc [Jennifer Faulkner ] Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners? ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners? ["Jerry Notaro" ] re:joni in the guardian ["joe farrell" ] yuck, and f*ck you (was RE: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners?) [] RE: Great Lyricists Booklet [William Waddell Subject: Furry sings the blues I agree with 'anon anon' that some share of royalties or one-off payment would have been gracious, although it might also have been interpreted as condescending. I cant agree with Monika, though - it's understandable that a musician living in abject poverty would be as mercenary as Furry was - he'd probably felt ripped off by the music industry for years, before this rich rock star breezed in for a visit . But hell, it's such a brilliant song! So simply constructed (every first section of the verse about the decaying neighbourhood, every second section about the encounter), but full of those 'exploding lines' folk were discussing recently, and also totally aware of the awkwardness of the meeting, the power imbalance that couldn't make this a successful encounter. Brilliant, intelligent, poetic - the most crafted song on 'Hejira', in my book. But I still feel for grumpy ol' Furry! Mich _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:45:39 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC Mary Ann Redmond/Eva Cassidy ...meet Mary Ann Redmond....a grainy fan video (with crowd noise) of Redmond and Eva Cassidy live... http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Eva+Cassidy+and+mary+ann +redmond&search_type=&aq=f hope to see Ricki Lee solo on Thursday night...will file report ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:37:11 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: Great Lyricists Booklet Fellow JMDLers, Heres the forward by Lynne Truss for Great Lyricists Joni Mitchell in todays Guardian. 'I wrote a radio play a few years ago, setting it in 1973. Its 18-year-old heroine worked in a library, wore long frocks, had long, straight hair, and was completely autobiographical. Here is a short scene: A dulcimer guitar is strummed rather badly. LAURA (sings in a high screechy manner, the song patterned on Joni Mitchells A Case of You) I could read a stack of you, David A multi-volume set! (She retunes a string, and makes matters slightly worse. Shes making up the song as she goes along) LAURA contd, still singing) You live in Stevenage You took a Masters Degree in Coventry! You are so shy and lean I even like the way you read Tolkien! Youre my introduction and my text You are my dum-dum-dum index! Oh I could read a stack of you, David And my eyesight would never be vexed! No, my eyesight would never be vexed! No disrespect was intended by this, of course - except to my younger, earth-bound self. I was surprised recently to learn that Joni Mitchells 1971 album Blue sold half a million copies; it made such an enormous impact on sensitive, long-haired, darkened-bedroom people of my generation that I assumed it had actually been more. Personally, I learned all Jonis lyrics off by heart as each of the early albums came out - Ladies of the Canyon (1970), Blue, For the Roses (1972), Court and Spark (1974) - and yearned to be able to write the same sort of emotionally raw but musically sophisticated voice-of-experience songs, despite the obviously inconvenient fact (to take just the example of A Case of You) I had personally never been involved in souls pouring into each other; there was absolutely no one in my blood like holy wine; I couldnt imagine what a cartoon coaster was; and to be perfectly frank, I was still at school. Might it have helped if Id turned the lights on? We will never know. But anyway, its an unavoidable truth that, looking back, the only thing I had in common with the singer of A Case of You was that I could draw a map of Canada. Joni Mitchell is generally admitted to be one of the most influential songwriters of the past 40 years; she is also said to be one of the most immodest, because she routinely compares herself with Picasso and Bob Dylan. I tend to think of her simply as a supremely driven artist worthy of complete admiration - whether restless in pursuit of herself, or in running away from herself, it hardly seems to matter, because the journey is the point. Women in unhappy solo flight have always had an appeal for me, and I blame Joni Mitchell entirely. From her earliest album, Song to a Seagull (1968), she was pulling into the Cactus Tree Motel / To shower off the dust. Or calling for this crazy bird to turn around (because she shouldnt have got on this flight tonight). She wished she had a river she could skate away on. She wanted the wind to carry her. She was a hitcher, a prisoner of the white lines on the freeway. She was travelling in some vehicle, sitting in some cafi. One of her best selling singles was Free Man in Paris (1974). This was one of her very rare songs about someone else, of course, but it was about someone who had clearly said something she whole-heartedly agreed with. I was a free man in Paris / I felt unfettered and alive. I know she irritates some people. Ego centric, introspective women, even when they are geniuses, are a bit of a challenge. Also, fair enough, some people never liked the shrieky bits, or the giggle at the end of Big Yellow Taxi. But when BBC4 showed an Old Grey Whistle Test session last year from around 1974, it was truly startling to see such sheer musicianship and compositional ambition embodied in a slim, beautiful young woman in a crocheted top, who looked like she might sing something about daddy taking her to the zoo tomorrow, zoo tomorrow, zoo tomorrow. What I now wish is that the lyrics in this booklet were not so familiar. How many times have I heard Joni singing blue, with its first line, Blue songs are like tattoos, and not stopped to think how deeply this song itself has got right under my skin?' The lyrics are given for: Amelia Barangrill The Beat of Black Wings Blue The Boho Dance Coyote Face Lift Furry Sings the Blues The Last Time I Saw Richard Not to Blame Raised on Robbery Underneath the Streetlight Also included is a piece From the Guardian and Observer archives: Happy talkin Joni by Mick Brown April 22 1983, available as an online subscription at guardian.co.uk/archive WtS x _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Furry sings the blues But you see, if Furry would have welcomed Joni for more than a "drink and smoke" maybe he would have seen the two of them had something in common--a distaste for the music industry! Presumably for different reasons but still a distaste nonetheless. That could have been some conversation, eh? -Monika Michel BYRNE wrote: as Furry was - he'd probably felt ripped off by the music industry for years, before this rich rock star breezed in for a visit . Mich _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc Hi Jennifer, Jim is a dandy. He and his band crack me up! I'd love to see you in AC. Call me. Love, Laura PS. Doesn't your mom know Jim or his family? - --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Jennifer Faulkner wrote: > Well, it's kind of surreal being from a place that, > during the 10 years or so before I was born, was well known > due to some famous Black Oakians. I wish I could have > interacted with Jim and had been a fan of his music while > in Black Oak. I was a child for most of my time there, > though. I rejoined the joni list, finally, but I can't > promise I will be on here very much. I'm already > on Al-Anon and OA lists that I don't always have time > to read. > > Hey, Laura, can I come to the beach and hang out with > y'all when you come to Atlantic City? I haven't > been to a beach in years! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:57:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: ?? Is this photo viewable online somewhere? - --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > > Ah ok, that's gotta be her set list. In the 1988 Q > magazine there is a > photo of her hugging her guitar with the titles of her > songs > handwritten and taped to the body her guitar in the very > same > position. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: re: ?? Thanks Mia! - --- On Tue, 6/24/08, mia _ wrote: > Hi Laura, > > I'm on digest, so maybe someone already got back to > you. But just in case, I have read previously that Joni > sometimes tapes a > piece of paper to her guitar (when she performs live) with > either the chords or tunings for particular songs. (I > think it is the opening > chords so she doesn't draw a blank when starting out > with a new song). > > Mia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:58:15 -0500 From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Fw: george carlin njc njc long I had no idea George Carlin died..I went to the New York Times article to read the details. Heart failure. And for me, this is a heart breaker. Now, I'll be missing George. George Carlin was a genius, and to me, the greatest stand-up comic ever, a seer into the absurdities of society with wickedly wise punchlines that could go on for a long while just on one subject. And courageous he was, and for that I always admired George. He said and did some things that totally turned me off, for instance, when he came out with a book with an absolutely foolish and desrespectful title and I felt disgust for him that time when he came out on the Bill Maher Show or some other show, promoting his book, "When Jesus Brought Home The Bacon," or something stupid to that absurd effect and the book cover artwork was even worse. Oh, well, but I still can't help getting sad knowing that I'll never see him perform live anymore on HBO. I saw perform live back in the early seventies when I was a freshman in high school. I saw some pictures of him he presented on one of his shows when he was just a Catholic grade school child and he was so, so cute when he was a kid and he was even an alter boy. Truly, Jeannie For GC: As you flow by into eternity. I sit still Looking up at this morning sky And I remember the laughter you gave me So now I send up my prayers for you in gratitude, George. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:09 PM, gene wrote: > Truley, one of the funniest persons I've ever listen too. Here's a few > gems--I especially like the last one. > Rest in Peace George, thanks for helping me think outside the box. > > sorry for the long post, gene > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > Always do whatever's next. > > At a formal dinner party, the person nearest death should always be seated > closest to the bathroom. > > Atheism is a non-prophet organization. > > By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. > > Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of > time. > > Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. > > Dusting is a good example of the futility of trying to put things right. As > soon as you dust, the fact of your next dusting has already been > established. > > Electricity is really just organized lightning. > > Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. > > Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the > roof and gets stuck. > > Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and > anyone going faster than you is a maniac? > > "I am" is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could > it > be that "I do" is the longest sentence? > > I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who > believe it. > > I recently went to a new doctor and noticed he was located in something > called > the Professional Building. I felt better right away. > > I think it would be interesting if old people got anti-Alzheimer's disease > where they slowly began to recover other people's lost memories. > > I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried > that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work. > > I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as > they get older; then it dawned on me - they're cramming for their final > exam. > > I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help > section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. > > I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed > to > two pieces of wood. > > I'm always relieved when someone is delivering a eulogy and I realize I'm > listening to it. > > I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is > that > these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them > together is certain death. > > I'm not concerned about all hell breaking loose, but that a PART of hell > will > break loose... it'll be much harder to detect. > > If God had intended us not to masturbate he would've made our arms shorter. > > If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to > say > the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. > > If we could just find out who's in charge, we could kill him. > > If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. > > In comic strips, the person on the right always speaks first. > > Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist. > > Just cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the circus has > left > town. > > May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. > > Most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough > money not to quit. > > Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it > if > I did. > > One can never know for sure what a deserted area looks like. > > One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. > > People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to > have > people think they don't care what people think. > > Religion is just mind control. > > Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things > that > never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have > time for all that. > > Standing ovations have become far too commonplace. What we need are > ovations > where the audience members all punch and kick one another. > > The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad > girls > live. > > The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an > argument going. > > > The reason I talk to myself is that I'm the only one whose answers I > accept. > > > The status quo sucks. > > > The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, > someone > said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on > fire, > but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. > > > There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls. > > There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent past. > > > Think off-center. > > > Weather forecast for tonight: dark. > > > Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do > freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they? > > > What does it mean to pre-board? Do you get on before you get on? > > > When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always > wonder, > How can that be? How can you not have all day? > > > When Thomas Edison worked late into the night on the electric light, he had > to > do it by gas lamp or candle. I'm sure it made the work seem that much more > urgent. > > > When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands. > > > When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in > America, you get a front row seat. > > > You know an odd feeling? Sitting on the toilet eating a chocolate candy > bar. > > > You know the good part about all those executions in Texas? Fewer Texans. > > I love this country. I wouldnt live any other place at any other time in > history. BUT! BUT! Say what you want about America-Land of the Freee, Home > of > the Brave--we've got some dumb-ass motherfuckers floatin' around this > country. > Dumb ass motherfuckers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:05:00 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: ?? http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=249 Your wish is my command. It's in the Library at the JM.COM Much Joni Jamie Zooby 2008/6/24 Laura Stanley : > > Is this photo viewable online somewhere? > > --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > >> >> Ah ok, that's gotta be her set list. In the 1988 Q >> magazine there is a >> photo of her hugging her guitar with the titles of her >> songs >> handwritten and taped to the body her guitar in the very >> same >> position. >> >> >> > > > > > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning... now summer Joni Garret wrote: I tend to associate MOA with summer and LOTC (espeically with sunny mornings) GARRET Hi Garret, Oh yes... MOA. Reminds me of the first Jonifest I went to which was in August of 2004. Betty and I had visited Marianne, and she gave me her MOA CD which we listened to on the way to the Full Moon. The MOA version of Woodstock will always come with the sense of being in Woodstock for the first time. Reminds me, Mary had ridden from Albany with us. S'up Mary? The Both Sides Now Youtube video Monika posted sounds like the MOA version. I love the feeling of summer freedom I get when I listen to the album. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:44:30 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni Regarding the question of Furry and his deep complaint I'd say It's more of an unseemliness on Joni's part than anything else; she certainly is under no legal or even customary obligations towards him. She paints a picture of rundown Beale Street with Furry as an emblem of its bygone days as any painter or storyteller might do. However, she did sort of "interview" him and observed even in the song that visitors were only welcome for their gifts. As sensitive as Joni was to the disconnect between her own wealth and the poverty around ("while my limo is shining on his shanty street") she ought to have offered him a little "tip", even after the the album came out, for using his real name and describing him in detail. Most other people Joni described in her songs were given either pseudonyms or handles ("My Old Man", "Harry's House, "Coyote" etc) and it could be debated as to who they actually were. Furry however is described without the semantic "soft focus" or the remove of fiction. A hundred dollar bill would have probably done the trick... But then I guess she'd have to pay Sweetie, Eccles the Tailor and Ginny too... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:56:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni Yeah. I wonder which one of these sent penniless and alcoholic street tap dancer Bojangles any money: Dave Jarvis, Chet Atkins, Frank Sinatra, Rod McKuen, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Whitney Houston, Harry Nilsson, Bob Dylan, The Byrds, Jim Croce, Harry Belafonte, Elton John, Lulu, Arlo Guthrie, Nina Simone, Esther Phillips, John Denver, David Bromberg, Neil Diamond, Sammy Davis, Jr., Tom T. Hall, John Holt, Bermuda Triangle Band, Robbie Williams, David Campbell, Jamie Cullum, Ray Quinn, Edwyn Collins, Frankie Laine and Jamie Walker from blues band Tantrum. Jerry > Regarding the question of Furry and his deep complaint I'd say It's > more of an unseemliness on Joni's part than anything else; she > certainly is under no legal or even customary obligations towards > him. She paints a picture of rundown Beale Street with Furry as an > emblem of its bygone days as any painter or storyteller might do. > However, she did sort of "interview" him and observed even in the > song that visitors were only welcome for their gifts. As sensitive as > Joni was to the disconnect between her own wealth and the poverty > around ("while my limo is shining on his shanty street") she ought to > have offered him a little "tip", even after the the album came out, > for using his real name and describing him in detail. Most other > people Joni described in her songs were given either pseudonyms or > handles ("My Old Man", "Harry's House, "Coyote" etc) and it could be > debated as to who they actually were. Furry however is described > without the semantic "soft focus" or the remove of fiction. > > A hundred dollar bill would have probably done the trick... > > But then I guess she'd have to pay Sweetie, Eccles the Tailor and > Ginny too... > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:02:57 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Spanking Joni Mitchell on YouTube and Gossip Girl Just ran across this from another link. Anyone know about this? Don't know if this is real or some kind of joke. Looks kind of silly kid stuff but interesting none the less! http://www.youtube.com/user/GossipShow Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:07:14 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni now NJC Hi Jerry, I'm a huge Jim Croce fan, and thought I had just about everything recorded by him, but I don't recall him doing Mr. Bojangles, or making a reference to him in a song. Can you point me to a recording of him doing this? Best, Gary Z. Jerry Notaro wrote: >Yeah. I wonder which one of these sent penniless and alcoholic street tap >dancer Bojangles any money: > >Dave Jarvis, Chet Atkins, Frank Sinatra, Rod McKuen, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, >Whitney Houston, Harry Nilsson, Bob Dylan, The Byrds, Jim Croce, Harry >Belafonte, Elton John, Lulu, Arlo Guthrie, Nina Simone, Esther Phillips, >John Denver, David Bromberg, Neil Diamond, Sammy Davis, Jr., Tom T. Hall, >John Holt, Bermuda Triangle Band, Robbie Williams, David Campbell, Jamie >Cullum, Ray Quinn, Edwyn Collins, Frankie Laine and Jamie Walker from blues >band Tantrum. > >Jerry > > > > > > >>Regarding the question of Furry and his deep complaint I'd say It's >>more of an unseemliness on Joni's part than anything else; she >>certainly is under no legal or even customary obligations towards >>him. She paints a picture of rundown Beale Street with Furry as an >>emblem of its bygone days as any painter or storyteller might do. >>However, she did sort of "interview" him and observed even in the >>song that visitors were only welcome for their gifts. As sensitive as >>Joni was to the disconnect between her own wealth and the poverty >>around ("while my limo is shining on his shanty street") she ought to >>have offered him a little "tip", even after the the album came out, >>for using his real name and describing him in detail. Most other >>people Joni described in her songs were given either pseudonyms or >>handles ("My Old Man", "Harry's House, "Coyote" etc) and it could be >>debated as to who they actually were. Furry however is described >>without the semantic "soft focus" or the remove of fiction. >> >>A hundred dollar bill would have probably done the trick... >> >>But then I guess she'd have to pay Sweetie, Eccles the Tailor and >>Ginny too... >> >>Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:21:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: From Bo Hi Jonilistas!!! Yesterday I helped a dear friend (who after 25 years just had a marriage (civil ceremony), clean his house, every inch, because, together with his mother, who arrived today, are traveling to Ireland!!! Obviously there's something connecting cleaning and mother! Joni knows all about this! Imagine this: me in leggings and a tee, wiping down every surface of everything...and there sure are a lot of things....listening to SHINE all day long!!!! I was in heaven. My dogs were outside in the enclosed back yard for over 8 hours and loving it! CONGRATULATIONS to Bob & Rebbecca on their very special day. So, you've decided to get that piece of paper from the City Hall!!!! I'm sending you so many very special wishes for a gorgeous, musical, healthy, safe and joyous life together! My mom turns 80 on the 28TH of June and I'm spending the day with her and my brother and another brother (adopted at age 14...he's now70) in Stone Harbor, NJ....right on the beach!!!! And now it's Tuesday...and I just finished reading the Digest (lots of references to Furry) and learned that I have the joy of sending magical wishes for all things wonderful to Lori and Mary!!! I want to add a few thoughts about Furry and all that was posted. I believe that Joni is completely sincere and innocent when she talks with anyone, famous or not, and that discussion turns into a magnificent work...musical or a piece of art work. I can't possibly imagine that Joni specifically went to anyone (she uses many names throughout her body of work) for information to compose a song. She wouldn't do this knowingly. It completely contradicts her artistic expression. Her work is not about needing a jump-start from a discussion with anyone. Joni writes about "The Ladies of the Canyon" for instance. I could go on and on. You get my point, I'm sure. As for the legality of the matter...well, isn't that something for Joni's staff of managers and attorney's to check? How in the world could Joni be constricted to the knowledge of being careful about this and careful about that. I'm not being disrespectful of Furry and his comments. I can understand his views. I'd bet almost anything that Joni did not/does not knowingly interview people or gaze on a particular aspect of our physical world and the many events, to produce for example, such a song as "Sex Kills"....she's moved on a conscious, that maybe is a 'sub' or unconscious way, that puts her creativity to work. It seems to me that to be so amazingly talented in so many different ways and to be so so brilliant in a creative and intellectual way, that Joni has never knowingly met and talked with someone to create a song. Could be that I'm innocent regarding these matters but if so, we ought to consider every song and lyrics because I'd wonder if each song contains and maybe is expressed in lyrics Joni's comments about someone, something and don't forget the magic of the interaction! I just felt like posting my thoughts. Be well, and lets hope for and work toward peace. Bo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:53:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc Well, there's this guy in Black Oak who would have a crawdad boil every year. Chris's family got invited. Chris saw Jim at these events. He wishes now that he had asked him about his music b/c later in college he got into BOA.. I remember in the 3rd grade or so this girl moved to my school from the rival school. My school was Riverside. Riverside's rival was BIC. So this girl came from BIC and told me about her best friend Piper Mangrum who had bangs down to her waist and who's dad was in a band. I thought she was tellin' stories so I went home and told my mom and my mom told me it was true. (Jim's real last name is Mangrum.) - --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Laura Stanley wrote: From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc To: jennifer.faulkner@yahoo.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 12:54 PM Hi Jennifer, Jim is a dandy. He and his band crack me up! I'd love to see you in AC. Call me. Love, Laura PS. Doesn't your mom know Jim or his family? - --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Jennifer Faulkner wrote: > Well, it's kind of surreal being from a place that, > during the 10 years or so before I was born, was well known > due to some famous Black Oakians. I wish I could have > interacted with Jim and had been a fan of his music while > in Black Oak. I was a child for most of my time there, > though. I rejoined the joni list, finally, but I can't > promise I will be on here very much. I'm already > on Al-Anon and OA lists that I don't always have time > to read. > > Hey, Laura, can I come to the beach and hang out with > y'all when you come to Atlantic City? I haven't > been to a beach in years! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:02:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni now NJC The guitar tab for his version can be found here: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/print.php?what=tab&id=424289 The mp3 of the recording is all over the net. Jerry > Hi Jerry, > > I'm a huge Jim Croce fan, and thought I had just about everything recorded by > him, but I don't recall him doing Mr. Bojangles, or making a reference to him > in a song. Can you point me to a recording of him doing this? > > Best, > > Gary Z. > > > > > Jerry Notaro wrote: >> >> Yeah. I wonder which one of these sent penniless and alcoholic street tap >> dancer Bojangles any money: >> >> Dave Jarvis, Chet Atkins, Frank Sinatra, Rod McKuen, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, >> Whitney Houston, Harry Nilsson, Bob Dylan, The Byrds, Jim Croce, Harry >> Belafonte, Elton John, Lulu, Arlo Guthrie, Nina Simone, Esther Phillips, >> John Denver, David Bromberg, Neil Diamond, Sammy Davis, Jr., Tom T. Hall, >> John Holt, Bermuda Triangle Band, Robbie Williams, David Campbell, Jamie >> Cullum, Ray Quinn, Edwyn Collins, Frankie Laine and Jamie Walker from blues >> band Tantrum. >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Regarding the question of Furry and his deep complaint I'd say It's >>> more of an unseemliness on Joni's part than anything else; she >>> certainly is under no legal or even customary obligations towards >>> him. She paints a picture of rundown Beale Street with Furry as an >>> emblem of its bygone days as any painter or storyteller might do. >>> However, she did sort of "interview" him and observed even in the >>> song that visitors were only welcome for their gifts. As sensitive as >>> Joni was to the disconnect between her own wealth and the poverty >>> around ("while my limo is shining on his shanty street") she ought to >>> have offered him a little "tip", even after the the album came out, >>> for using his real name and describing him in detail. Most other >>> people Joni described in her songs were given either pseudonyms or >>> handles ("My Old Man", "Harry's House, "Coyote" etc) and it could be >>> debated as to who they actually were. Furry however is described >>> without the semantic "soft focus" or the remove of fiction. >>> >>> A hundred dollar bill would have probably done the trick... >>> >>> But then I guess she'd have to pay Sweetie, Eccles the Tailor and >>> Ginny too... >>> >>> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:05:39 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners? > I rejoined the joni list, finally, but I can't promise I will be on here very much. Hey Jennifer ... nice to see you *here* again. I've been meaning to ask the list for quite some time: wasn't/isn't there another Faulkner on the JMDL? I seem to remember a gentleman Faulkner from perhaps Mississippi or thereabouts. It also seems he was related to William Faulkner, but maybe I'm just imagining that. Anyway, Jennifer ... are YOU related to William Faulkner? The real reason I ask is that my spouse, Mary, is related to him and I'm now wondering if there is a cousin connection (perhaps more than one) here? Lori Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:24:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni A bit of historical perspective is important. A lot of musicians of a certain age, especially those of color, were ripped off by the music industry (white folks mostly) which might explain his bitterness. > In my honest opinion. ol' Furry was indeed just a bitter musician looking to cash in on something since he said you shouldn't have the right to use someone's name without something in return.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:41:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners? You're thinking of Medric Faulkner from Mississippi, very nice guy. Don't think he's on the JMDL anymore but he is kin to the author. 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Medric is no longer on the list but I am in contact with him. He is now retired and takes care of his parents. A nicer guy you never met. Jerry Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > there > another Faulkner on the JMDL?> > > You're thinking of Medric Faulkner from Mississippi, very nice guy. Don't > think he's on the JMDL anymore but he is kin to the author. > > Bob > > NP: Fleet Foxes, "Blue Ridge Mountains" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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Lori Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:05:35 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) For every Britney and Lindsay, there's a Cyrano Thought this column might be of interest to some of you ... the first paragraph reminded me, for some reason, of Joni: "In my embarrassingly juvenile notion of the profession, musicians sit under trees with guitars and cigarettes, scratching hard-won truths into coffee-stained notepads. Periodically a car drives past blaring the latest treacly pop confection, or a passer-by hums the mindless melody from a hot dog commercial. The musician pulls on his Marlboro superiorly; there's music and then there's the crap made for money. Hey, another hard-won truth!" The rest is here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/gate/a/2008/06/24/onthejob.DTL Lori Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:14:23 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners? http://jmdl.com/events/event.cfm?id=70 If you go here and scroll down just a little, you'll see a picture of our meet-up in Atlanta before Joni's '98 concert. Medric is there right next to IV Paul...boy, talk about a contrast!! Jennifer, great to hear from you again! Bob NP: Tom Waits, "First Kiss" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Wasn't it Patrick that once posted to him "YUCK and F*CK YOU"? LOL Jimmy In a message dated 6/24/2008 2:26:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lori.fye@gmail.com writes: > >Medric is there right next to IV Paul...boy, talk about a contrast!! > > Yep ... and talk about a serious BLAST from the past!!!! > > Whoa. > ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:50:41 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Shine on lousy leadership -- on TV this week! Strong and wrong You lose everything Without the heart You need To hear a robin sing Where have all the songbirds gone? Gone! All I hear are crows in flight Singing might is right Might is right! Take heart! Along comes brave Dennis Kucinich, going where others dare not tread, singing for impeachment. His courage and his grace have been ignored by mainstream media and his peers. Kind of a portrait of a disappointment, as others on this list have expressed. But now Congressman Robert Wexler (Hello, Florida!), a strong and indefatigable supporter of Dennis Kucinich's impeachment efforts, is going to be on our TVs this week. Finallement! Don't pass his music on by. Here's a message from him: Over the next week I will be appearing on numerous television programs where I intend to raise these issues as often as I can. You can see me on the following television shows:  Tuesday, June 24 at 5:00 pm and 7:00 pm (EST) on Hardball on MSNBC,  Wednesday June 25 at 3:30 pm (EST) on CNN's the Situation Room,  Thursday June 26 at 11:30 pm (EST) on Comedy Central's the Colbert Report  Friday June 27 at 7:30 am (EST) on MSNBC's Morning Joe. Peace, Patti P "The framers, I think, would have been astonished by the absolute passivity, if not the collusion, of the Democrats in protecting President Bush from impeachment." -- Jonathan Turley, professor of constitutional law at George Washington University from: http://www.truthout.org/article/kucinich-impeachment-not-off-table (There are good comments after that article. If it gets so lonely when you're walking and the streets are full of strangers, these comments will make you feel better.) _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:01:47 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni in the Guardian/ Now Cohen...now njc Well, that's easy. The essential leonard cohen is an excellent introduction. I listen to this all the time. If it's an actual album you're after here are my three favourites: Songs of Leonard Cohen and Songs From A Room (must haves - but try them one at a time, some people really do find Cohen off putting) and then Ten New Songs (i adore this). Others will give you different advice;-) GARRET On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Nice! Thanks for sharing. It is always great to see Joni get some > recognition. Anyway, I keep hearing about Leonard Cohen on this list as > there are Cohen fans here, just as there is a Joni-Cohen link. I've also > had a couple of musicians recently who I played shows with mention their > respect for Leonard Cohen. If I were to get an album of his from the > library to check him out, what would a Cohen fan recommend? > -Monika > > Garret wrote: > > The Guardian newspaper is currently doing a series of booklets > dedicated to Great Songwriters. These booklets are about 24 or 26 > pages in length, have a nice intro, cuttings from the paper, and > lyrics from a number of songs. Today, it is Morrissey, tomorrow, it's > Joni. Others in the series include Patti Smith, Leonard Cohen, Bob > Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. > GARRET > > NP - Patti Smith, Ain't It Strange ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:12:21 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Great Lyricists Booklet Hey Willy, thanks for posting this. So the Guardian chose this list to represent Joni's lyrics: > Amelia > Barangrill > The Beat of Black Wings > Blue > The Boho Dance > Coyote > Face Lift > Furry Sings the Blues > The Last Time I Saw Richard > Not to Blame > Raised on Robbery > Underneath the Streetlight I was surprised to see Underneath the Streetlight included. I'm not sure which 12 songs i would choose to represent Joni's lyrics, but you can bet it would be very different from this list. I'll think about it and post my list tomorrow. Which songs might you choose? GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:13:24 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re:joni in the guardian thanks for the alert on this. just read the digest,10:00pm Tuesday night, and dashed out to the late shop and managed to grab the last copy. looks like a well produced little booklet, with a foreword, song lyrics and an article published in the guardian in april 1983. looking forward to reading it. regards, joe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:35:32 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: yuck, and f*ck you (was RE: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners?) next year in bartlett's quotations!! unfortunately, it wasn't to paul i., it was to eric w taylor, and not undeserved. not to say paul didn't get singed once or twice. upon reviewing the evidence, i find that the comma is very important: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22yuck+and+fuck+you%22 patrick np - jennifer higdon, string poetic - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of FMYFL@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:01 PM To: lori.fye@gmail.com; Bob.Muller@fluor.com Cc: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners? That does bring back some memories. Wasn't it Patrick that once posted to him "YUCK and F*CK YOU"? LOL Jimmy In a message dated 6/24/2008 2:26:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lori.fye@gmail.com writes: > >Medric is there right next to IV Paul...boy, talk about a contrast!! > > Yep ... and talk about a serious BLAST from the past!!!! > > Whoa. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:07:57 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: RE: Great Lyricists Booklet Garret, I was also surprised to see Streetlight included. For me, Joni's lyrics are, more often than not, so well crafted and girl-you-paint-pictures-in-my head that it would be easier to chose less great ones. Though having said that, even then I'd be hard pushed. Funny though, coz the article itself actually made me rethink the opening lyrics to Blue, the song. I've always heard the song going: Blue... [and then that] songs are like tattoos. The way the article was worded was that blue songs [as such] are like tattoos. I'd never thought of it as blue songs being like tattoos. As an artist, myself, I'm drawn to the more abstract lyrics of Don't Interrupt the Sorrow, for instance. But ask me tomorrow and... I'll say Hejira, the song. Down to You. Jeez! Could go on and on. WtShake off again into lurkdom x > > Hey Willy, thanks for posting this. > > So the Guardian chose this list to represent Joni's lyrics: > >> Amelia >> Barangrill >> The Beat of Black Wings >> Blue >> The Boho Dance >> Coyote >> Face Lift >> Furry Sings the Blues >> The Last Time I Saw Richard >> Not to Blame >> Raised on Robbery >> Underneath the Streetlight > > I was surprised to see Underneath the Streetlight included. I'm not > sure which 12 songs i would choose to represent Joni's lyrics, but you > can bet it would be very different from this list. I'll think about > it and post my list tomorrow. Which songs might you choose? > GARRET _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Spanking Joni Mitchell on YouTube and Gossip Girl I think you can put it in the "some kind of a joke" category, Laura. Just a guess on my part. Bob NP: Bruce, "She's The One" - ----- Original Message - ---- From: "est86mlm@ameritech.net" To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 12:02:57 PM Subject: Spanking Joni Mitchell on YouTube and Gossip Girl Just ran across this from another link. Anyone know about this? Don't know if this is real or some kind of joke. Looks kind of silly kid stuff but interesting none the less! http://www.youtube.com/user/GossipShow Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:29:52 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: yuck, and f*ck you (was RE: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc - Faulkners?) hehehe, Patrick! It should go in Barletts quotations. Thanks for finding the link. Damn, that was back in 2000. I remember your quote because one of my favoritle lurkers, Pat McFadden (Hi Pat if you're reading) did a top 10 of jmdler quotes for the year 2000, and that was one of them. I think it was Pat.......I'm getting old. Jimmy In a message dated 6/24/2008 5:40:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pleader@nyc.rr.com writes: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22yuck+and+fuck+you%22 > ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. 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