From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #112 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, June 24 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 112 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Oh, damn . . . ["T Peckham" ] Re: Both Sides Now [Garret ] NJC - Vacation! [] Re: (NJC) Re: VLJC Hitting Vancouver... [Catherine McKay ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Oh, damn . . . njc [Em ] Re: njc, Memorial Services today [Jerry Notaro ] Joni in the Guardian [Garret ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning... now summer Joni [Garret ] summer love njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: ?? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: summer albums [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc [Laura Stanley ] Furry Lewis and Joni [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni ["Cassy" ] RE: Furry Lewis and Joni [anon anon ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Oh, damn . . . njc ["T Peckham" ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni [Garret ] RE: Furry Lewis and Joni [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] The Guardian series "Great Lyricists" [M C ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Oh, damn . . . njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni [Deb Messling ] Fw: george carlin njc njc long ["gene" ] Re: Furry Lewis and Joni [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: njc, Thinking how I'll feel when I find... [Bruce Eggleston ] Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc [Jennifer Faulkner ] RE: ?? ["Rob Argento" ] Re: ?? ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:43:54 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Oh, damn . . . Another one gone. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080623/us_nm/carlin_dc - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:09:56 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Both Sides Now A great way to start Monday, thanks Monika. GARRET On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Start your work week off right with some fantastic Joni from this fab concert: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vTJ0lNY54E > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:48:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Subject: NJC - Vacation! Just to let you all know that I am away on a two week vacation in Germany with very little computer time. I am going to miss you all! And thank you Dave for the information about copyrights regarding covers. I found it very useful indeed, I had no idea. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Re: VLJC Hitting Vancouver... - --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Lori Fye wrote: > You have a great time, too, Monika! And thanks. > Both of you, when you're in Vancouver, go to the acquarium. It's the perfect size - not too big and not to small - and you will see some amazing sea creatures. I was going to go to the Sunshine Coast when we were there and stay in the former Lord Jim's and hope to hear some word of Joni, but I planned things a bit bass-ackwards and wouldn't have had time to enjoy my stay by the time we got there. From pictures I've seen, the area is beautiful, pretty much like the rest of BC that I did see. Next time, maybe. __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oh, damn . . . njc - --- On Mon, 6/23/08, T Peckham wrote: > Another one gone. > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080623/us_nm/carlin_dc > > -- I just spotted that one. God, he made me laugh. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:43:29 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning >it named Blue as one of the great summer albums of all time.< This is the album which contains the line, "It's coming on Christmas", right? Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't Christmas in the Northern Hemisphere still in the Winter? It might be a Summer album in Australia or New Zealand or South Africa or Brazil but, in the USA? Did you guys go and change Christmas or is that just a CBS Christmas? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Oh, damn . . . njc Yep, RIP George Carlin. He was part of my brain and my heart, kind of like Joni. It always felt good listening to Carlin even when he was being ornery. I just felt we were always on the same "side" - and I also felt like by the end of one of his shows he was taking the high road. Felt like hanging out with the cool kids! Reminds me of a line from Dave Carter: "man there was some kind of righteous in the steel of his gun-metal eyes" ..only always with a twinkle. Tell ya what, heaven really lucked out these last couple weeks, between Russert and now George Carlin. - --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Catherine McKay wrote: > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: Oh, damn . . . njc > To: "Joni people!" , "T Peckham" > Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 7:23 AM > --- On Mon, 6/23/08, T Peckham > wrote: > > > > Another one gone. > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080623/us_nm/carlin_dc > > > > -- > > I just spotted that one. God, he made me laugh. > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:13:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc, Memorial Services today No. I am in Florida now many years and working. My best friend is going to Buffalo on Wednesday for a graduation and promised to go by Tim's family's house for me and send my regards personally. Jerry > It's very late when I walk in, but I was just watching the 11 p.m. news and > heard something about the memorial service for Tim Russert at St. Canisius > High School and thought of Jerry. > > Jerry, I hope you were able to make it and that you and your classmates found > comfort in it, and in each other. Comfort and consultation, I hope that's > what you found. > > http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/376141.html > > Are you in any of the pictures there? > > Coincidentally, I went to a memorial service today, too. It was for Professor > Paul H. Meyer, who was the director of my study abroad group (Rouen, France) > in 1974-1975 (when my only audio companion was MOA!), and then from 1990 on, > my colleague and dear friend. It was a beautiful celebration of what he had > called an "easy life", but none of us thought it was easy. He was a Jew in > Hitler's Germany. Here is a snippet from his obit: > > "Paul was born in Berlin, Germany on December 5, 1920. With his family, he > fled the Nazis in 1938 to England, where they resettled in the outskirts of > London. When World War II broke out he was deported to Canada as a German > national, and interned. In the internment camp he taught Latin as part of an > organized effort by older adolescents to prepare younger internees for college > entrance exams." > > http://www.funeralquestions.com/obits/carmon/memorial.asp?listing_id=109772 > > For Professor Meyer, life was for learning. > > I wasn't going to share any of this, but hearing about the service at St. > Canisius made me want to write. Love sucks me back this way. > > In the middle of the reflections/tributes, his niece (from Toronto, > Catherine!) got up w/ a guitar. She said she had a difficult time picking a > song, and then went on to play Pete Seeger's "Turn, Turn, Turn" which, of > course, was perfect. > > In the printed program was a beautiful quote that, when I read it, thought: > "I have to share this with my Joni friends!" so I will do so now, hoping it > brings some comfort to any one who has lost a dear one. That's every one of > us, of course. > > Let the beginning and the end > Draw together into one. > While the world of objects > Flies faster beyond you. > Thanks to the Muses' favor > Immortality is promised > For the content of your heart > And the essence of your spirit. > > (Excerpt from "Dauer" by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, translated by Prof. > Meyer's daughter) > > Shine on the dazzling darkness, that restores us in deep sleep. > > Love & Peace, > > Patti P., chicken scratching for the immortality of hearts and spirits > _________________________________________________________________ > The im Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves. > http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:31:20 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Joni in the Guardian The Guardian newspaper is currently doing a series of booklets dedicated to Great Songwriters. These booklets are about 24 or 26 pages in length, have a nice intro, cuttings from the paper, and lyrics from a number of songs. Today, it is Morrissey, tomorrow, it's Joni. Others in the series include Patti Smith, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. GARRET NP - Patti Smith, Ain't It Strange ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:32:56 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning... now summer Joni I tend to associate MOA with summer and LOTC (espeically with sunny mornings) GARRET On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: >>it named Blue as one of the great summer > albums of all time.< > > This is the album which contains the line, "It's coming on Christmas", > right? Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't Christmas in the Northern > Hemisphere still in the Winter? It might be a Summer album in Australia or > New Zealand or South Africa or Brazil but, in the USA? > > Did you guys go and change Christmas or is that just a CBS Christmas? > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:07:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: summer love njc Congrats to jimmy & ed, richard & rebecca, & lori & mary!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:11:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: ?? A piece of paper taped, with, I'm guessing the words, key or chords to her song. I often used to do that with songlists to help me remember the order of songs to play. >What's that white on her guitar, on the upside of the curved part of the body toward the neck? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXe95iTtci0&feature=related< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: Re: summer albums >> ..sorry I couldn't think of anything from this century Wait! You did have one record from the 21st... >> Under the Covers Vol 1-M.Sweet/S.Hoffs ... though it is all covers from the 20th! But a really great record, nonetheless. Still awaiting Volume Two! Gus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:23:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc Hey Jennifer, You out there? Tell us now what it's like bein' from Black Oak? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPsaGPzCHkQ&feature=related Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:42:46 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Furry Lewis and Joni I stumbled across this article in the JMDL (see link below). Apparently Furry Lewis was not too happy about being mentioned by name in "Furry Sings the Blues" (on Hejira). At first I was thinking that old Furry is just bitter and would have a problem with just about anything anybody did. But after thinking about it......I really see his point. He claims Joni used his name with out permission and apparently from the response of her manager (which by the way is pretty weak) she did indeed publish the song without seeking permission from Furry. http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=107 Here are a few quotes: "The way I feel" says Furry "is that your name is proper only to you, and when you use it you should get results from it. She shouldn't have used my name in no way, shape, form or faction without consultin' me 'bout it first. The woman came over here and I treated her right, just like I does everybody that comes over. She wanted to hear 'bout the old days, said it was for her own personal self, and I told it to her like it was, gave her straight oil from the can." (Though Joni Mitchell had no response to Furry's comments, her manager, Elliot Roberts, responded: "All she said about him was, 'Furry sings the blues' the rest is about the neighborhood. She doesn't even mention his last name"). Clearly the song is more than about Beale Street as there are numerous references to Furry and the whole song seems to center around him. I don't know if this was ever discussed before on the list but I am curious how others feel about the article..... I also saw this comment on another blog on the same subject........ .............."Now, try and imagine the scenario reversed: some old, scraggly blues musician just shows up at Joni's mansion. Would he be welcomed in for a nice lengthy visit? Would Joni play a few songs for him? And then when he went and recorded a song afterward, with a line like, say: "Joni's an old lady now, looks terrible without her makeup, and can't hit those high notes like she used to..." Wonder how she'd feel about that? - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni Joni needed no permission to publish a song about Furry. He is a public figure and she had every artistic, legal, and ethical right to use his name in a song. If she had used his music or lyrics, that would have been a different story. People make Joni references in lyrics and books all the time. I doubt if any of them ever asked her permission to do so. Jerry Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > I stumbled across this article in the JMDL (see link below). Apparently > Furry Lewis was not too happy about being mentioned by name in "Furry > Sings > the Blues" (on Hejira). At first I was thinking that old Furry is just > bitter and would have a problem with just about anything anybody did. But > after thinking about it......I really see his point. He claims Joni used > his name with out permission and apparently from the response of her > manager (which by the way is pretty weak) she did indeed publish the song > without seeking permission from Furry. > > > http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=107 > > > > Here are a few quotes: > > > "The way I feel" says Furry "is that your name is proper only to you, and > when you use it you should get results from it. She shouldn't have used my > name in no way, shape, form or faction without consultin' me 'bout it > first. The woman came over here and I treated her right, just like I does > everybody that comes over. She wanted to hear 'bout the old days, said it > was for her own personal self, and I told it to her like it was, gave her > straight oil from the can." > > (Though Joni Mitchell had no response to Furry's comments, her manager, > Elliot Roberts, responded: "All she said about him was, 'Furry sings the > blues' the rest is about the neighborhood. She doesn't even mention his > last name"). > > > Clearly the song is more than about Beale Street as there are numerous > references to Furry and the whole song seems to center around him. I don't > know if this was ever discussed before on the list but I am curious how > others feel about the article..... > > > I also saw this comment on another blog on the same subject........ > .............."Now, try and imagine the scenario reversed: some old, > scraggly blues musician just shows up at Joni's mansion. Would he be > welcomed in for a nice lengthy visit? Would Joni play a few songs for him? > And then when he went and recorded a song afterward, with a line like, > say: > "Joni's an old lady now, looks terrible without her makeup, and can't hit > those high notes like she used to..." > > Wonder how she'd feel about that? > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the > use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:20:12 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni Jerry wrote: <<>> I'm not sure whether I dreamed this one stoned night long ago but it was my understanding that the harmonica licks were a direct lift of something he played for them when they were guests. Not sure where I got this idea from but I've believed it as truth for so long that it seems like it should be. Cassy NP: ColdPlay - Violet Hill from the new CD Viva la Vida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:28:13 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Furry Lewis and Joni > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:09:39 -0400> Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni> From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu> To: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com> CC: joni@smoe.org> > Joni needed no permission to publish a song about Furry. He is a public> figure and she had every artistic, legal, and ethical right to use his> name in a song. If she had used his music or lyrics, that would have been> a different story. People make Joni references in lyrics and books all the> time. I doubt if any of them ever asked her permission to do so.> > Jerry> true, but it would have been gracious of Joni to pay Furry... still, the song undoubtedly attracted people unfamiliar with Furry to seek out his music, and that is certainly a positive thing to come from the song... _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_062008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:37:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni Well put, Jerry - and looking at the lyrics of the song they're more descriptive and literary than they are derogatory, sounds like Joni the storyteller's just metaphorically telling it like it is. As for the "what if the situation was reversed" comment, seems like it's apples & oranges to me and not really relevant. Or spin it this way...what if one of the finest composers of our time immortalized you in a song on one of her finest albums? Not something you should mind TOO much. Bob NP: Joe Henry, "Meanest Flower" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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GARRET On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:37 PM, wrote: > Well put, Jerry - and looking at the lyrics of the song they're more > descriptive and literary than they are derogatory, sounds like Joni the > storyteller's just metaphorically telling it like it is. > > As for the "what if the situation was reversed" comment, seems like it's > apples & oranges to me and not really relevant. Or spin it this way...what > if one of the finest composers of our time immortalized you in a song on > one of her finest albums? Not something you should mind TOO much. > > Bob > > NP: Joe Henry, "Meanest Flower" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:51:57 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: RE: Furry Lewis and Joni I tend to agree with you Anon. The guy is 83 years old ..is half blind and has a wooden leg. At mininimum, I would think someone from Joni's camp would have notified him that song will be released to the public and perhaps offer something in return for his cooperation. I get the impression that that money is what he wanted anyway (The way I feel" says Furry "is that your name is proper only to you, and when you use it you should get results from it). Another comment from a related story - "There should have been a lot more sensitivity from Mitchell, who was, after all, writing about a living, breathing person, and mentioning that person by name. Hell, if I was Furry Lewis, I'd be damned mad if I'd invited someone into my home and then read lines like: "propped up in his bed with his dentures and his wooden leg removed" and "We're only welcome for our drink and smoke". Cassy - BTW - I think that is Neil Young on harmonica... anon anon To 06/23/2008 04:28 PM Jerry Notaro , , cc Subject RE: Furry Lewis and Joni > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:09:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni > From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu > To: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > > Joni needed no permission to publish a song about Furry. He is a public > figure and she had every artistic, legal, and ethical right to use his > name in a song. If she had used his music or lyrics, that would have been > a different story. People make Joni references in lyrics and books all the > time. I doubt if any of them ever asked her permission to do so. > > Jerry > true, but it would have been gracious of Joni to pay Furry... still, the song undoubtedly attracted people unfamiliar with Furry to seek out his music, and that is certainly a positive thing to come from the song... Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. IM on your terms. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:00:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni NJC Bob writes > ...what > if one of the finest composers of our time immortalized you in a song on > one of her finest albums? Not something you should mind TOO much. > > Well, she can't compete with Joni, and it wasn't one of her finest albums either. Still I didn't mind at all when Aimee Mann mentioned me on "Mr. Harris" from her album Whatever. :) Jimmy ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: The Guardian series "Great Lyricists" howdy, delurking a moment to pass this on. - mc The Guardian newspaper in the UK is publishing a series of 8 booklets called "Great Lyricists". Artists in the series include Patti Smith, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Morrissey, Joni Mitchell and Leonard Cohen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni NJC Exactly...and I'll bet she didn't even throw any money your way either. Did you take your dentures out for her? Bob NP: Green Day, "Letterbomb" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:32:09 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Oh, damn . . . njc From: "T Peckham" > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080623/us_nm/carlin_dc Truly one of the great comic minds, and a master of the art of stand-up comedy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:25:06 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni Joni did not use Furry's last name in the song. Had Lewis not publicly made a fuss in Rolling Stone, pretty much no one would have known the song was about him. I think part of his problem was what he saw as a negative portrayal. And this rich lady "that woman" with her limo. Pride? Ego? Dignity? Poverty? I think it would have been hard for Joni's people to go to him and say, 'um,, we wrote this song about you, is it okay?', considering the lyrics. Also it is not a song just about him, he is emblematic of a bygone scene she is describing. Joni could have justified it artistically. If Picasso saw Furry, he would've sketched him, too. Yes, that is Neil Young gamely blowing harp through the changes. His only appearance on a Joni record, I think. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:04:41 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni It's an ethical dilemma faced by a lot of artists. Everything and everyone is fodder for your art, and you can end up hurting people. Is your art important enough that causing pain to other people is justified? It's kind of arrogant for an artist to think so. But if they didn't think so, we would miss out on a lot of great art. So... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:09:34 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Fw: george carlin njc njc long Truley, one of the funniest persons I've ever listen too. Here's a few gems--I especially like the last one. Rest in Peace George, thanks for helping me think outside the box. sorry for the long post, gene - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Always do whatever's next. At a formal dinner party, the person nearest death should always be seated closest to the bathroom. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. By and large, language is a tool for concealing the truth. Death is caused by swallowing small amounts of saliva over a long period of time. Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. Dusting is a good example of the futility of trying to put things right. As soon as you dust, the fact of your next dusting has already been established. Electricity is really just organized lightning. Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck. Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac? "I am" is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that "I do" is the longest sentence? I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it. I recently went to a new doctor and noticed he was located in something called the Professional Building. I felt better right away. I think it would be interesting if old people got anti-Alzheimer's disease where they slowly began to recover other people's lost memories. I think people should be allowed to do anything they want. We haven't tried that for a while. Maybe this time it'll work. I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as they get older; then it dawned on me - they're cramming for their final exam. I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose. I would never want to be a member of a group whose symbol was a guy nailed to two pieces of wood. I'm always relieved when someone is delivering a eulogy and I realize I'm listening to it. I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death. I'm not concerned about all hell breaking loose, but that a PART of hell will break loose... it'll be much harder to detect. If God had intended us not to masturbate he would've made our arms shorter. If it's true that our species is alone in the universe, then I'd have to say the universe aimed rather low and settled for very little. If we could just find out who's in charge, we could kill him. If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. In comic strips, the person on the right always speaks first. Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist. Just cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the circus has left town. May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. Most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough money not to quit. Not only do I not know what's going on, I wouldn't know what to do about it if I did. One can never know for sure what a deserted area looks like. One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. Religion is just mind control. Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. Standing ovations have become far too commonplace. What we need are ovations where the audience members all punch and kick one another. The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live. The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going. The reason I talk to myself is that I'm the only one whose answers I accept. The status quo sucks. The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done. There are nights when the wolves are silent and only the moon howls. There's no present. There's only the immediate future and the recent past. Think off-center. Weather forecast for tonight: dark. Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they? What does it mean to pre-board? Do you get on before you get on? When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? When Thomas Edison worked late into the night on the electric light, he had to do it by gas lamp or candle. I'm sure it made the work seem that much more urgent. When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands. When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat. You know an odd feeling? Sitting on the toilet eating a chocolate candy bar. You know the good part about all those executions in Texas? Fewer Texans. I love this country. I wouldnt live any other place at any other time in history. BUT! BUT! Say what you want about America-Land of the Freee, Home of the Brave--we've got some dumb-ass motherfuckers floatin' around this country. Dumb ass motherfuckers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Furry Lewis and Joni Joni never mentioned "Furry's" last name and even she did that, she would still have had no legal responsibility to give him any sort of payment. Think about how many songs use famous names all the time. No big deal. Had she used something from a copyrighted song of his, we'd have a whole different story. There's nothing wrong legally with writing a song about a particular area/scene or mentioning someone by name (even last name too!). Also, I don't think there's anything wrong morally. She was telling a story (a fine one may I say!) in a song. She wasn't being condescending in it or anything of that nature even. Had she been that, we could atleast say she was being rude. In my honest opinion. ol' Furry was indeed just a bitter musician looking to cash in on something since he said you shouldn't have the right to use someone's name without something in return. If he had said he just didn't like the idea he was in somebody's song (a matter of privacy and all) I would have still thought he was being a bit oversensitive but I'd have a little more respect for him since it wouldn't have been about the money. -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:34:06 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: njc, Thinking how I'll feel when I find... I can see Mdms. PP floating and flouncing and skating down that river, Patti, oobie shoobie, you are just too much. You are magic to we mortals because you have access to another dimension that we seem to lack. BB > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:33:34 +0000 > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: njc, Thinking how I'll feel when I find... > > that very good friend of mine! > > Yes! I'm excited because my old friend Alain (now teaching in San > Diego) is in town and we are going out to dinner. He's the one who > met and had dinner w/ a nice couple in Vancouver and, after dinner, > they put on (much to his surprise) JONI MITCHELL! Later he told me > was grateful for all my previous Jonievangelizing because otherwise > he wouldn't have know her. But here's the best part: they told > him that they KNOW Joni and see her sometimes. I think they may > help w/ her property, I'm not sure, but I will get all the details > ce soir, that's a promise that I made! I'll bring a piece of paper > (from the city hall) to write everything down. And he told me on > the phone that someday he will see Joni and he will get her to sign > something for me. "I believe him when he tells of" doing this for me. > > When he called to say where we are going, he said it's a very fancy > place, and in his lilting French cadence, said the owner said that > to get us in on a busy night, his companion "must wear something > that identifies her as a peacenik and a Joni fan." (Oh, the rogue, > the red red rogue...) No problemo, amigo! Well, a little > problem. I left my Joni pins at the work place so I'll have to run > up there before dinner. But at least he got us in like (Richard) > Flynn. > > I've been dying to go to this place. The owners got themselves > back to the garden and everything is supposed to be organic and > fresh. The NYT gave it a rave review. Going cafe to > cabaret.....Come, I'll take you there: > > http://www.stillrivercafe.com/ > > Ha! I found myself a river! Finally! > > Check out the menu if you have time on your hands.....I'm in the > mood for lobster pots! Lobster! Talk about a sweeter fare! And > it's French. Maybe we can order Freedom Fried or Freedom Onion > Soup. It looks fancy; they'll get me used to that clean white > linen tablecloth, and now I've got to put on some fancy French > cologne. Magie Noire is my favorite, and it's perfect, because > he's back east to meet w/ a publisher about his new book about MAGIC. > > Okay, so I'm all excited and went digging in my closet and found a > blousy thing I've never worn before....and it's got (along comes a > lady in) lacy sleeves. All right! Then I found a kick pleat skirt > (actually, flouncy) with little black diamond earrings on it that > sparkle so I'm all set. I'm putting on my finest silver and we're > out the door. Ready to shine. And we will laugh and toast to the > JMDL newlyweds, yesiree Bobs! Clink, clink! > > Tonight, tonight, > Won't be just any night, > Tonight there will be no morning star. > Tonight, tonight, I'll see my love tonight. > And for us, stars will stop where they are. > Today > The minutes seem like hours, > The hours go so slowly, > And still the sky is light . . . > Oh moon, grow bright, > And make this endless day endless night! > > (You were just talking about Maria songs, n'est-ce pas?) > > It's a marvelous night for a moon dance. > > Bon soir, mes Joniami(e)s! > > Let all your little lights shine. > > xo, > > PP, feeling unfettered and alive ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: (NJC) Re: VLJC Hitting Vancouver... Ah, the aquarium! That is already on the agenda. -Monika, who is planning the day trip to Victoria and Sunshine while her brother plans the rest Catherine McKay wrote: --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Lori Fye wrote: > You have a great time, too, Monika! And thanks. > Both of you, when you're in Vancouver, go to the acquarium. It's the perfect size - not too big and not to small - and you will see some amazing sea creatures. I was going to go to the Sunshine Coast when we were there and stay in the former Lord Jim's and hope to hear some word of Joni, but I planned things a bit bass-ackwards and wouldn't have had time to enjoy my stay by the time we got there. From pictures I've seen, the area is beautiful, pretty much like the rest of BC that I did see. Next time, maybe. __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: VLJC Re: Joni in the Guardian/ Now Cohen Nice! Thanks for sharing. It is always great to see Joni get some recognition. Anyway, I keep hearing about Leonard Cohen on this list as there are Cohen fans here, just as there is a Joni-Cohen link. I've also had a couple of musicians recently who I played shows with mention their respect for Leonard Cohen. If I were to get an album of his from the library to check him out, what would a Cohen fan recommend? -Monika Garret wrote: The Guardian newspaper is currently doing a series of booklets dedicated to Great Songwriters. These booklets are about 24 or 26 pages in length, have a nice intro, cuttings from the paper, and lyrics from a number of songs. Today, it is Morrissey, tomorrow, it's Joni. Others in the series include Patti Smith, Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. GARRET NP - Patti Smith, Ain't It Strange ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: ?? Hi Bob, I mean that rectangular, white thing on the upside of the thickness of the body of her guitar that can be seen only when the camera is from her back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXe95iTtci0&feature=related Hadn't noticed the yellow rose - that is cool. Love, Laura - --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Bob Muller wrote: > > A flower. > >> > What's that white on her guitar, on the upside of the > curved part of the body toward the neck? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXe95iTtci0&feature=related ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: Re: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc Well, it's kind of surreal being from a place that, during the 10 years or so before I was born, was well known due to some famous Black Oakians. I wish I could have interacted with Jim and had been a fan of his music while in Black Oak. I was a child for most of my time there, though. I rejoined the joni list, finally, but I can't promise I will be on here very much. I'm already on Al-Anon and OA lists that I don't always have time to read. Hey, Laura, can I come to the beach and hang out with y'all when you come to Atlantic City? I haven't been to a beach in years! - --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Laura Stanley wrote: From: Laura Stanley Subject: Jim Dandy to the rescue!, njc To: joni@smoe.org, "Jennifer Faulkner" Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 5:23 PM Hey Jennifer, You out there? Tell us now what it's like bein' from Black Oak? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPsaGPzCHkQ&feature=related Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:34:44 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: ?? > I mean that rectangular, white thing on the upside of the thickness of > the body of her guitar that can be seen only when the camera is from her > back. It's a set list or some lyrics she needed to remember. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:44:36 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: ?? Yes, definitely a set list, just a list of a bunch of songs taped on the side. Back in our coffeehouse days it was the folksinger's little memory helper. For those of us less talented it was that day's method of pimping out our guitars. I had one of those Martins back then at our little Coffee house in North Miami, "The Euphoria". Joni's Looks like a Martin D-28 from the trim. Ah! Nostalgia! But I still have my 00-18, traveling guitar, from back then even if the set list is long gone. /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Laura Stanley Sent: den 23 juni 2008 23:36 To: Bob Muller Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: ?? Hi Bob, I mean that rectangular, white thing on the upside of the thickness of the body of her guitar that can be seen only when the camera is from her back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXe95iTtci0&feature=related Hadn't noticed the yellow rose - that is cool. Love, Laura - --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Bob Muller wrote: > > A flower. > >> > What's that white on her guitar, on the upside of the > curved part of the body toward the neck? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXe95iTtci0&feature=related ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:46:15 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: ?? Ah ok, that's gotta be her set list. In the 1988 Q magazine there is a photo of her hugging her guitar with the titles of her songs handwritten and taped to the body her guitar in the very same position. 2008/6/24 Laura Stanley : > Hi Bob, > > I mean that rectangular, white thing on the upside of the thickness of the body of her guitar that can be seen only when the camera is from her back. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXe95iTtci0&feature=related > > Hadn't noticed the yellow rose - that is cool. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #112 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------