From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #110 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, June 22 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 110 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Double rainbows and Russert (njc) [] Re: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall - NJC [Bob Muller ] Laura Allan RIP sjc [paulcastle@talktalk.net] Laura Allan RIP sjc [Patti Parlette ] RE: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) [Patti Parlette ] Re: We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall - NJC ["Mark Scott] RE: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) and now Catholic schools [Patti Par] Re: Has Joni mentioned Obama? [Coleen ] Re: Laura Allan RIP & more Joni connections ["Randy Remote" Subject: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) Speaking of Hawaii - it was January 1974 and I had just taken off on the plane from Honolulu and was crying from leaving my long-distance college boyfriend. As we flew low over Maui, I not only saw several double rainbows from the air, I even saw a triple one! It was so magical and surreal that it helped to calm me. There is so much I wanted to write here about Tim Russert. When I heard the news I was just stunned. One of my first thoughts was also wondering if Jerry knew him - being the pride of Buffalo and all. My second thought was that he was one of a kind and that we won't see the likes of him again. Then I thought there will be another Russert or Russerts some day because he certainly had to have inspired many both as an exemplary human being and as a decent journalist. He was unique in being a consummate democratic party operative (and I mean that term in only the best way) yet he transcended politics. He was the consummate media operative yet he also transcended and rose way above hack journalism. He was by all accounts a wonderful man, faher, husband and friend. I am so sorry we lost him so suddenly. I heard he also was an attendee at Woodstock ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:05:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: I > heard he > also was an attendee at Woodstock ;-) He was. Though I didn't see him there : ) I went with 2 girls, Sacred Heart Academy grads. What the Jesuits and nuns would have thought of us! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Love is Like a Big Brass Band / Mary Poppins Yo, I wonder if Joni had seen this movie, and/or listened to the sound track, and then came up with the song? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJTSl4niMLA&feature=related Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:36:59 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: Re: We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall - NJC I have yet to hear a bad version of Ave Maria. What about the song "How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?" That pretty much sums me up. I'm a real live Maria. I was given the nickname Mia at birth at my grandmother's mentioning how much she loved Mia Farrow in Peyton Place. And Mia Farrow's real name is also Maria. Mia ps. Congrats to all the newlyweds in Joniland! Such wonderful news! "Love's the greatest beauty." <> _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashbac k ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: VLJC Hitting Vancouver... Well, I bring this up because I've been looking at Vancouver, Canada travel guides as of late. In August, my brother, sister and I are going to Vancouver for a week for our vacation. We are also checking out Victoria for a day and...the Sunshine Coast for a day! We will actually be checking out Sechelt in the Sunshine Coast as there are a few different areas. If I'm not mistaken, Sechelt is the area where Joni has a home in, no? Anyway, as Neil Young once sang, "good times are comin." -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall - NJC Cool! I knew we had at least one Maria out there. Can't believe I didn't mention the Sound of Music classic - my Dad (the Richard Rodgers freak) would disown me if he knew. Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Longest Day" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:07:34 -0400 From: paulcastle@talktalk.net Subject: Laura Allan RIP sjc Randy wrote: > You can hear a lovely song "The Shape I'm In" here: > http://tinyurl.com/56xt9r What a beautiful song - got me welling up here. Back in 1975, whilst visiting a friend in San Francisco, I played several gigs at The United State Cafe on Haight Street . My friend, Marliese, booked the acts there at the time - and she recently sent me a link to a scrapbook site for the cafe - http://www.flyingsnail.com/Scrapbook/UnitedStateCafe/ Although I personally never saw her there, Marliese regularly booked Laura Allan at The United State Cafe , as these posters show - http://www.flyingsnail.com/Scrapbook/UnitedStateCafe/uscpage041.html There's also a beautiful live recording made at the cafe of Laura playing the dulcimer and singing 'Native American Ceremonial Song', which bears an extraordinary likeness to early Joni in tone and vocal phrasing/scatting - http://www.flyingsnail.com/Podcast/LauraAllan.mp3 PaulC > Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:58:53 -0700 > From: "Randy Remote" > Subject: Laura Allan RIP sjc >I was saddened to learn that musician Laura Allan >has passed away from cancer. She was kind of the >Joni Mitchell of Marin County, and I have fond memories >of her playing dulcimer and singing in the open-air >amphitheatre on Mt. Tamalpais. She played zither on >David Crosby's "Traction In The Rain" on his 1st solo >album, and wrote songs for Kenny Rogers and Bill Champlin >("Hold On"). She also built dulcimers and zithers, traveling >to the Big Sur Folk Festival with her friend Joellen >Lapidus who there sold Joni her first dulcimer. >RR >SF Chronicle obit: >http://tinyurl.com/65fbv8 >You can hear a lovely song "The Shape I'm In" here: >http://tinyurl.com/56xt9r >4 more songs here: >http://tinyurl.com/5cmkwh _____________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:02:10 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Laura Allan RIP sjc Thank you, RR, for sharing this. I'd never heard of her before, and just "met" her through the links you posted. It sounds like she was a Girl Like Us. Voila, from her myspace "general info": "the sweetest 70ies chick-music of them all. (a bit like Minnie Riperton (i think so!), the Carpenters, Carole King, Carly Simon.. (not at all like Joni Mitchell though - or ...???)" I didn't have time to read and listen to everything, but was moved by the opening lines of "Opening Up to You": "Oh, there's so much can we learn about each other, And the love grows, spending time together..." Kind of like the JMDL, or "thinking about how the world could be" if only... With heartfelt sympathy to her friends and family -- what a loss they must feel, Patti P. P.S. In googling around (her website is down, and there is another singer named Laura Allen so it's a little confusing), I found this blog from a student of her mother, with a note from her brother: http://jennselke.blogspot.com/2008/05/passing-of-laura-allan.html ******* I was saddened to learn that musician Laura Allan has passed away from cancer. She was kind of the Joni Mitchell of Marin County, and I have fond memories of her playing dulcimer and singing in the open-air amphitheatre on Mt. Tamalpais. She played zither on David Crosby's "Traction In The Rain" on his 1st solo album, and wrote songs for Kenny Rogers and Bill Champlin ("Hold On"). She also built dulcimers and zithers, traveling to the Big Sur Folk Festival with her friend Joellen Lapidus who there sold Joni her first dulcimer. RR SF Chronicle obit: http://tinyurl.com/65fbv8 You can hear a lovely song "The Shape I'm In" here: http://tinyurl.com/56xt9r 4 more songs here: http://tinyurl.com/5cmkwh _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Live Search cashback . It's search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=introsrchcashback ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:43:01 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) Kakki shared: Speaking of Hawaii - it was January 1974 and I had just taken off on the plane from Honolulu and was crying from leaving my long-distance college boyfriend. As we flew low over Maui, I not only saw several double rainbows from the air, I even saw a triple one! It was so magical and surreal that it helped to calm me. There is so much I wanted to write here about Tim Russert. When I heard the news I was just stunned. One of my first thoughts was also wondering if Jerry knew him - being the pride of Buffalo and all. My second thought was that he was one of a kind and that we won't see the likes of him again. Then I thought there will be another Russert or Russerts some day because he certainly had to have inspired many both as an exemplary human being and as a decent journalist. He was unique in being a consummate democratic party operative (and I mean that term in only the best way) yet he transcended politics. He was the consummate media operative yet he also transcended and rose way above hack journalism. He was by all accounts a wonderful man, faher, husband and friend. I am so sorry we lost him so suddenly. I heard he also was an attendee at Woodstock ;-) *** "Wonderful man, father, husband and friend." Exactement, Kakki. That's the most important part, imo. (And sorry to go off on another anti-war tangent, but that is one of my biggest fears/ worry about this interminable war: what kind of men/women, fathers/ mothers, spouses and friends are these poor traumatized soldiers going to be when they come home, with all this pain and suffering in their hearts and minds? Did anyone see the film "Stop Loss"? Holy merde. Okay. I'll stop there.) I remember you saying Herbie channeled your father that night you saw him and Joni. In many ways Tim Russert reminded me so much of mine, with his "big Irish Catholic head" (I forget who said that, maybe it was Conan O'Brien) and his kindness to everyone he met. "Only kindness matters." (Jewel) "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make." (Beatles) Two other things that moved me, watching all the different tributes and reports, were these: 1. His producer remembering how he told her (and I paraphrase): "The best exercise for the heart is lifting someone up, and raising them up." That reminds of what you told us Herbie said that night, about always encouraging people. A good code, that you can live by. 2. In one interview, he said how much enjoyed writing his two books, how meaningful and almost necessary it was to express his love for his dad. He said: "Now my life is complete." Wow. How good that he got this work out before his passing. (Speaking of those books, a friend of mine ordered them both for her father just before Father's Day, a few days before Tim died. Now she's been notified that they won't be shipped for MONTHS.) So, the gift goes on. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:08:15 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: Has Joni mentioned Obama? I'm fairly sure that Joni would be supporting Obama for president. (I can't imagine in a million years that she would support Mccain), but has she publically commented at all about Obama? _________________________________________________________________ The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the im Talkathon. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:34:00 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall - NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" > > NPIMH (but I have to change the words to make it work for the new > millenium and our two new couples): > > Girl/Boy, I heard you're getting married > Heard you're getting married, this time you're really sure > And this is the end, they say you really mean it > This guy's/girl's the one that makes you feel so safe, so sane and > so secure > And, baby, if s/he loves you more than me > Maybe it's the best thing > Maybe it's the best thing for you > But it's the worst that could happen to me This reminds of the hit The Fifth Dimension had when they combined this song with Laura Nyro's 'Wedding Bell Blues' as a response: Bill I love you so, I always will I look at you and see the passion eyes of May Oh, but am I ever gonna see my wedding day? I was on your side Bill When you were losing I never scheme or lie Bill There's been no fooling But kisses and love won't carry me Til you marry me Bill I love you so, I always will And in your voice I hear a choir of carousels Oh but am I ever gonna hear my wedding bells? I was the one who came running When you were lonely I haven't lived one day Not loving you only But kisses and love won't carry me Til you marry me Bill I love you so, I always will And though devotion rules my heart, I take no bows But Bill, you know I wanna take my wedding vows Come on Bill Oh, come Bill Come on and marry me, Bill I got the wedding bell blues Please marry me Bill I got the wedding bell blues Come on and marry me Bill I love you so, I always will..... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:58:21 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) and now Catholic schools Jerry wrote, about attending Woodstock: > > He was. Though I didn't see him there : ) I went with 2 girls, Sacred > Heart Academy grads. What the Jesuits and nuns would have thought of us! LOL! Oh, those Catholic school days! I can't speak for the Jesuits, but I can tell you what Sister Mary Loyola thought about the counterculture changes. (I have no idea what order she was in, but they wore the long black habits and a white stiff thing on their foreheads with the black veil. One day in 6th grade we peeked into their fenced-in laundry yard (think: Trouble With Angels....it was a "scathingly brilliant idea!") and saw that they had BRAS hanging on the line. We were laughing hysterically -- the nuns wore brassieres! Maybe not push-up ones, but still somehow....that was the extent of our sex education.) I went to St. Mary's in Stamford until half-way through 7th grade, and then moved to Santa Barbara for one year, one month, and three days. (But who was counting all those days in paradise that encompassed the Summer of Love?) When we moved back to CT, I couldn't wait to see my old friends at St. Mary's. (You know how it is at that age with friends.) I went back to visit at the end of a school day and everyone seemed so *different*, so -- I don't know -- square! Later my best friend Pat told me that Sister Mary Loyola told the class the next day: "Isn't it a shame what happened to Patti Parlette? Harrumph. Wearing hoop earrings and a short dress and and eye make-up!!! What a shame!" (Ha. She'd didn't my kick-pleat skirt, she didn't like my eyelids painted up green.) I have to laugh now because it's the opposite of whatever became of sweet Jane...I got my sparkle. You know I wasn't the same! Had I not gone to CA, I probably would have stayed with those friends on gone to h.s. where they did: Sacred Heart Academy in Stamford. We moved to upstate CT and I went to a public school (wash my guilt of Eden, wash and balance me). The kids who came from the Catholic elementary/junior high schools later were the wildest ones of all! Catholic girls start much too late, and let's not even bring Zappa into it! LOL... Seriously though, it just goes to show that we all come from such different sets of circumstance. No regrets about mine, Coyotes. I got to have both sides now. Love, Sister Patricia Margaret Elizabeth, Holy Order of the J.M.O.C.D.ed _________________________________________________________________ The im Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves. http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:02:29 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Re: Has Joni mentioned Obama? I thought Joni was still a Canadian citizen. Or has she taken out dual citizenship? On 21-Jun-08, at 5:08 PM, anon anon wrote: > I'm fairly sure that Joni would be supporting Obama for president. > (I can't > imagine in a million years that she would support Mccain), but has she > publically commented at all about Obama? > > _________________________________________________________________ > The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the im > Talkathon. > http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_SeasonOfGiving ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:12:35 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Laura Allan RIP & more Joni connections Thanks for the links, Paul. The song you linked sounds very Joniesque indeed. It's actually called "Storm Song", and appeared on Laura's 1996 "Hold On To Your Dreams" CD (her only album not out of print). The studio version includes guitar by long-time Joni & CSN confidante Joel Bernstein. [Joni is listed in the "thanks" section, as is Crosby]. Laura formed a short-lived duo with Joel, and also (I'm just learning all this stuff) joined a band called Starcrossed; their CD is available from CDBaby. Joni and Laura were friends. In an article about Starcrossed, veteran rock journalist Blair Jackson writes: In 1969, Laura met dulcimer-maker Joellen Lapidus at the Big Sur Folk Festival, and the two became fast friends. "I wanted to learn everything I could about making dulcimers," Laura says. "Previously, I had taken an old zither and redid it and painted it. I liked working with instruments." It was in Big Sur, too, that she first encountered David Crosby and Graham Nash. "I barely knew who they were," she says, "but we got introduced to these guys and we jammed. I was learning to play the flute; they had their pre-war Martins and their Mercedes. I was a mere 17, so this was amazing. Then, about six months later, Joellen and I were living in Marin County in Forest Knolls in this cabin. My rent was $32 a month and now we were making musical instruments for the stars. Joni Mitchell would come and stay in my loft. It was a crazy time. When I talk about it, no one believes me," she laughs. She and Joellen sold instruments to Mitchell and Nash, and it was a custom zither she made for Crosby that got her into Wally Heider's for her first major session: When she brought the instrument to show Crosby, [recording engineer Steve] Barncard loved the sound of it, too, and urged her to go out into the main studio room to see how it sounded there. That led to her laying down an ethereal zither track for Crosby's song "Traction in the Rain" right on the spot. "I was mostly just playing along in the studio," she remembers. "I don't think I really understood that Barncard was recording. But it came out sounding really good." http://starcrossedentertainment.com/content/html/story.html I also noticed whilst checking out the US Cafe site that one of the Haight area bands called Jumpin' Jupiter featured a dark-haired 6 string bassist (and vocalist!) named Larry Klein. It's my impression from their drummer's current MySpace page that this is LK one and the same. Pictures of them performing in GG Park here: http://www.nobodyforpresident.org/UnitedStateCafe/uscpage036.html Another Joni/Laura connection is Paul Horn, who played on LOTC; Laura did a new age LP with him called "Reflections" which is very nice and very hard to find, and Joni played an alternative scat-singing version of "Blue" on Horn's "Visions" LP. Small world in the California music scene. RR From: > Randy wrote: >> You can hear a lovely song "The Shape I'm In" here: >> http://tinyurl.com/56xt9r > What a beautiful song - got me welling up here. > Back in 1975, whilst visiting a friend in San Francisco, I played > several gigs at The United State Cafe on Haight Street . My friend, > Marliese, booked the acts there at the time - and she recently sent > me a link to a scrapbook site for the cafe - > http://www.flyingsnail.com/Scrapbook/UnitedStateCafe/ > Although I personally never saw her there, Marliese regularly booked > Laura Allan at The United State Cafe , as these posters show - > http://www.flyingsnail.com/Scrapbook/UnitedStateCafe/uscpage041.html > There's also a beautiful live recording made at the cafe of Laura > playing the dulcimer and singing 'Native American Ceremonial Song', > which bears an extraordinary likeness to early Joni in tone and vocal > phrasing/scatting - http://www.flyingsnail.com/Podcast/LauraAllan.mp3 > PaulC >> From: "Randy Remote" >>I was saddened to learn that musician Laura Allan >>has passed away from cancer. She was kind of the >>Joni Mitchell of Marin County, and I have fond memories >>of her playing dulcimer and singing in the open-air >>amphitheatre on Mt. Tamalpais. She played zither on >>David Crosby's "Traction In The Rain" on his 1st solo >>album, and wrote songs for Kenny Rogers and Bill Champlin >>("Hold On"). She also built dulcimers and zithers, traveling >>to the Big Sur Folk Festival with her friend Joellen >>Lapidus who there sold Joni her first dulcimer. >>RR >>SF Chronicle obit: >>http://tinyurl.com/65fbv8 >>You can hear a lovely song "The Shape I'm In" here: >>http://tinyurl.com/56xt9r >>4 more songs here: >>http://tinyurl.com/5cmkwh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:33:36 -0700 From: Subject: Re: Double rainbows and Russert (njc) and now Catholic schools LOL! I think there is a universal Catholic school experience, no matter how long one attended. I only went for 2 years ages 9-10 until my parents thought it was the better part of wisdom to transition me into public school (I think telling my non-Catholic mom at one point that I aspired to be a nun hastened the exit ;-) Tilt! I had very two sweet aunts who were nuns and one who wasn't but was still Mother Superior so it always lurked in the background. I've mentioned it before but all my Lutheran mom had to do to keep me (somewhat) in line through high school was to threaten sending me to the local, totally medieval convent school if I ever got in big trouble. She never had to say another word - I knew my life would be over if it came to that! ;-) But I do admire those who have had the Jesuit school experience. Those dudes are SMART and every guy I know who has gone to those schools have really benefited in all aspects of their lives from that education. Kakki P.S. Bill Joel was so right ;-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #110 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------