From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #106 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, June 18 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 106 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Summer Solstice Special NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: T SHirts IN the UK (NJC) [Chris Marshall ] married on solstice, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] SV: Retro Joni Covers, Volume 27 ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: story on New Orleans (njc) now henry butler ["Watts, Lesli" ] Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 [Deb Messling ] NjC Re: Cohen in Dublin [Michael ] Oh my God!!!!(njc) [Victor Johnson ] Madder than hell!!! (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 NJC [Bob Muller ] Herbie on TV ["Barbara Stewart" ] JM in Galway ["Barbara Stewart" ] We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall - NJC [David Eoll ] Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 [Monika Bogdanowicz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Summer Solstice Special NJC Wow! Congratulations! You're not the first person I've heard from this week with similar news. Must be something in the air! - --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Richard Flynn wrote: > Speaking of the summer solstice, I have special plans for > this year's. On > Friday, my partner Rebecca Kennerly and I are > > going to the courthouse > and we're going to get married > going to the courthouse of love. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:21:46 -0600 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: T SHirts IN the UK (NJC) On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:27:01 -0500, Michael Paz wrote: > Does anyone in the UK have contacts to have T-Shirts made for my band? > With the high prices of transporting our merch over for the UK tour we > are looking to print some T-Shirts for our summer tour there. Has > anyone had any experience with this and can send me some contact names > and numbers please? Thanks. Hi Mike, nice to hear from you. We've used Talking-Ts in Cambridge before, with good results. Their website with contact details is here:- http://www.t-shirts.co.uk/ Let me know if you need any help - I generally end up near their shop on a weekly basis. Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:43:29 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: married on solstice, njc c on G R A t u l a t ions R i c h a r d a n d R e b e c c a best to you Marianne (now . . . you're in like flynn) On Jun 16, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: Speaking of the summer solstice, I have special plans for this year's. OnFriday, my partner Rebecca Kennerly and I are going to the courthouseand we're going to get marriedgoing to the courthouse of love. _________________________________________________________________ Earn cashback on your purchases with Live Search - the search that pays you back! http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=earncashbac k ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:39:53 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Retro Joni Covers, Volume 27 Hi Bob, it got a hit from me, and I am not a fan of covers (though I do appreciate your enthusiasm for them!). I don't usually download them but this time I could not resist, seeing that there were two Swedish covers with the lyrics in Swedish. I was curious about how they had managed to translate Joni4s lyrics which I imagine must be very difficult indeed. And so it appears. Lill Lindfors' version of Carey has virtually nothing to do with Joni's song, lyricwise. Lill sings about a girl who has recovered from loneliness and having been left by her boyfriend and who is now inviting "you" to come and dance with "me". Completely misses the meaning of Carey. Turids version of I had a king is closer as far as the lyrics go but a lot of meaning is lost anyway. She perfoms the song beautifully, though, imo. I also listened to Hanne Boel, Denmarks queen of soul, and her version of How do you stop. Great cover, that one! When were these covers made? A question that pops up in my mind when listening to the Swedish lyrics is about what you are allowed to do when you cover a song? Can you just take the music and put completely different lyrics to it, like the Lill Lindfors cover? What is the difference between a cover and a simple ripoff? I hope Bob or anyone can answer these questions, I would really like to know. Have a good day, Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bob Muller Skickat: den 17 juni 2008 01:19 Till: JMDL Dmne: Retro Joni Covers, Volume 27 I'm sure that this won't get as many hits as the "Early Joni" collection but still...it's time for me to post another blast from Joni Covers past - here's Volume 27: http://tinyurl.com/5zmq6v Containing the following: 1. Nick DeCaro - All I Want 2. Catfish Hodge - For Free 3. Don Randi - Both Sides Now 4. Percy Faith - Big Yellow Taxi 5. Roger Cardwell - The Circle Game 6. Lill Lindfors - Gladigen (Carey / Swedish) 7. Barry Miles - Woodstock 8. Jimmy Winchell - Free Man In Paris 9. Turid - Jag Vet En Prins (I Had A King / Swedish) 10. Ray Charles Singers - Both Sides Now 11. Leslie Ritter & Scott Petito - Woodstock 12. Ken Watters Group - Both Sides Now 13. Peter White - River 14. Hanne Boel - How Do You Stop 15. Bernie Steinberg/Tina Malia - The Circle Game 16. Davy Graham - Both Sides Now A very international grouping, this one... Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Too Tough" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:59:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 Jimmy, I'm thinking that she's primarily a 'words first' songwriter. I seem to recall in her many discussions of Magdalene Laundries that she composed the music first which was not her typical modus operandi. I could be wrong. Bob NP: Elvis, "God Give Me Strength" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Re-running these older volumes really brings back memories for me, that's for sure. To answer your question concerning dates: Lill Lindfor's cover/re-imagining of "Carey" is from 1984 Turid's "I Had A King" is from 1973 Hanne Boel's "How Can You Stop" is from 1998 As far as your question about changing the words and calling it a cover, it's a good question and I know next to nothing about copyright laws. There are certainly many cases of artists doing major word switches though, from Weird Al Yankovic (and he had to get permission to do all of his parodies) to George Harrison (who got caught putting his own text to "He's So Fine"). I would imagine that it's a particularly difficult task to re-cast a song in another language and probably fairly common that lyrically they tend to spin in other directions, making key words rhyme and scanning the original melody properly. Thanks for the insights into the translations - I always enjoy hearing Joni's songs sung in a foreign tongue even when I'm clueless as to what is being said. And yes Jerry, that includes all of the WONDERFUL Asian covers of BSN & TCG. Bob NP: Joni, "Sweet Sucker Dance" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: Interesting story about New Orleans and people who have chosen not to move back because of crime. Henry Butler, jazz musician, is quoted several times. Do you know him Paz? http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/09/nola.crime/index.html Victor, who would love to visit New Orleans again some day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:00:42 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 Thanks Bob, after a hundred years, I finally ask a Joni question. I would have been disappointed if nobody attempted to answer it. LOL In a message dated 6/17/2008 8:00:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > > > Jimmy, I'm thinking that she's primarily a 'words first' songwriter. I seem > to recall in her many discussions of Magdalene Laundries that she composed > the music first which was not her typical modus operandi. I could be wrong. > > ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:35:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 You're welcome, Jimmy - it's perfectly OK to discuss Joni Mitchell in this forum, just PLEASE be sure to exclude the NJC in your subject line. Bob NP: Aerosmith, "One Way Street" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Henry Butler, jazz musician, is quoted several times. Do you know him Paz? http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/09/nola.crime/index.html Victor, who would love to visit New Orleans again some day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:21:50 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni at Galway Hey there Anita, How are you doing? I'm not sure if anyone responded to your post as i'm on digest and usually about a day behind. The Galway Arts Festival runs fduring July and this year Joni's visual art will be displayed. Her Green Flag Song show will be on display each day during the festival. I contacted the festival box office and they said that Joni is not yet confirmed herself and that if she attends, they are likely to find out at the last minute. They recommended contactnig them again about a week in advance. I was also wondering how one might go about getting tickets to the opening of the show. I imagine that if Joni is present it will be at that point. I dunno. Well, that's about as much as i know. GARRET Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:10:42 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Joni at Galway Can anyone let me know about this Joni in Galway thing? Have been body boarding for a few days (got so sun burned despite all my sun block and, as I walked down to cliffs carrying my board and in my wet suit someone said 'Ah, a genuine silver surfer'). Followed the link given, but the page has expired - but should I be booking a flight? Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 Well, not to disagree with Bob, but I do believe she has frequently talked about writing the music first, then setting words to it. She says the music will demand a certain kind of lyric, for example she might need something very simple and declarative, or she might even need a certain vowel sound. I can't quickly dig up all the citations, but I'm sure she's talked about this a lot, and it's fascinating. A few quick quotes: One interview: Why write the "hard way"? Why not do the words first? It's not that I'm perverse and trying to make things difficult, but it sets up a more original rhyme scheme when you have to match the words to the music. That way you don't recycle old melodies, which is probably why my music is not more popular (laughs). Then another interview: It may be a surprise, but Mitchell says that she writes her music first and then her lyrics. "It's a harder puzzle," Mitchell admits. "It's like you do the score and then do the movie. But by the score you know where your climatic statements fall and where your descriptive passages can go. And you get a more unusual rhyme scheme." - ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:00:42 EDT >From: FMYFL@aol.com >Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 >To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Cc: joni@smoe.org > >Thanks Bob, after a hundred years, I finally ask a Joni question. I would >have been disappointed if nobody attempted to answer it. LOL > >In a message dated 6/17/2008 8:00:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > >> >> >> Jimmy, I'm thinking that she's primarily a 'words first' songwriter. I seem >> to recall in her many discussions of Magdalene Laundries that she composed >> the music first which was not her typical modus operandi. I could be wrong. >> >> > > > > >************** >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) Deb Messling http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:46:07 +0000 From: Michael Subject: NjC Re: Cohen in Dublin Thank you Garret for that great review. I have friends who saw the Cohen show in Saguenay, Quebec, at the end of May. They too got teary eyed at times. A memorable evening, to be sure. So glad you enjoyed it. Michael in Quebec Garret wrote: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:33:28 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Leonard Cohen last night njc I got to see Leonard Cohen play his final night in Dublin, last night. I was a little apprehensive to be honest, but it was a great night. He really was on top-form, charming, stylish, funny. The gig was held in the grounds of the Irish Museum of Modern Art (IMMA), The museum itself is set in an impressive 17th century building, the Royal Hospital, surrounded by beautiful gardens and grounds in a part of Dublin city called Kilmainham. Seeing Leonard Cohen singing live was an experience I never thought i would have. Despite the rain, it was a fun evening. The show was opened with a short, but enjoyable, set by Damien Rice. Cohen and the band came on stage not long after 8.00pm and played until almost 11, with a 15 minute interval. He was very lively. I was thrilled to hear that his voice sounds pretty much exactly as it does on disc. As the rain clouds rolled in he said "thank you friends, for being here, for welcoming me, for sitting in the rain. You look beautiful in blue" (the macs in sacs on sale were blue). The setlist: First Set Dance Me To The End Of Love The Future Ain't No Cure For Love Bird On The Wire Everybody Knows In My Secret Life Who By Fire Heart With No Companion Second Set Anthem Tower Of Song Suzanne Gypsy Wife Boogie Street Hallelujah Democracy I'm Your Man A Thousand Kisses Deep (recited) First Encore Take This Waltz So Long, Marianne First We Take Manhattan Second Encore That Don't Make It Junk If It Be Your Will Closing Time Final Encore I Tried to Leave You Wither Thou Goest When he started singing Bird On The Wire the audience was totally silenced, nothing moved. This was a very emotional moment for me. I did find myself thinking of Joni during this song. I found myself thinking how wonderful it would be to see Joni playing in Dublin. I never expected Leonard Cohen to tour again and he did. He is known for his aversion to hitting the road. I know there is a financial motivation for Cohen at present but i wonder if he could find the motivation, would it be possible that Joni would somehow find the motivation? Indeed, selfishly, i'm thinking that Cohen's terrible misfortune is the gain of thousands. Hopefully Joni's motivation will be stoked in a less malign way. Suzanne brought more than a few tears to Kilmainham - pretty hard to tell in the rain;-) ICohen raised his arms addressing the Irish sky as he sang Hallelujah. I have always loved Jeff Buckley's version of this song, but as the blue, white, grey, and orange sky shifted, I guess i finally heard Cohen's version without the comparison. He took the song back last night. So Long Marianne was a crowd rouser. Lifted out of the seats, hands in the air, and that odd communal sway people often do during songs like this one, the ovation lasted and the appreciative screaming brought a slight smile to Cohen's lips. He introduced the band a lot. By the end of the show this was almost funny. There was one song where he introduced the guitarist twice. Sharon Robinson was fantastic, as you'd expect. Like most (I imagnie) of the 30,000 other people that saw Cohen over the last three nights, I am terribly happy with the memory. GARRET NP- Leonard Cohen, Seems So Long Ago, Nancy _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:48:32 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Oh my God!!!!(njc) I just went to look through my albums to find a couple to bring to trivia(they play vinyl), and saw that the majority of them are rotting from some black mold. Let alone the health hazard, I'm extremely pissed off as a large part of them were in mint condition, including a complete set of the original British Beatles albums. They vinyl may still be playable but essentially they're ruined. It seems to have been coming in from outside. It's too late to call the business office but I'm definitely going over there first thing in the morning. I'm not sure what their position will be but they've definitely cost me several hundred dollars. Royally pissed, Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:16:05 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Madder than hell!!! (njc) Just found my Bruce Hornsby and the Range "The Way It Is" album, misprinted with labels for a record by Alabama, AND signed by Bruce Hornsby and now completely ruined! I don't get angry very often but this is really testing me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 NJC Like I say, always better to step up and make a guess and then see who REALLY knows - they will typically step up and clarify. Thanks Deb! Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "Pity And Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:20:22 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Herbie on TV Herbie Hancock and Kate Nash to appear on "Live from Abbey Road" on Sundance Channel June 26 10pm Eastern. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:29:30 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: JM in Galway Organizers confirm that she will appear to support her art show at the Galway Arts Festival July 14-27. See http://www.galwayartsfestival.com/ Also there? Blondie!!!!!! ;-) KT Tunstall, Phillip Glass, Druid Theatre, etc. Tempting, very tempting...... B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:06:52 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: We don't need no piece of paper from the city hall - NJC But, it sure is nice to have the option, eh? I love what is happening in CA this week. I'm having flash backs from Novemeber 1989, and watching the Berlin Wall come down. Same kind of feeling here. I have no illusions that the fight is over. The reactionaries will push back as they always do. I expect the perenniel Defense of Marriage Kakapoo Whatever to make a comeback on Capitol Hill this summer. But, I believe this is a solid foot in the door to justice. I believe that someday gay folks getting married will seem as commonplace as women being able to vote, and control their own reproductive organs, and black people being able to eat in any restaurant they want, and workers being able to organize themselves in unions, etc. Its real progress. As opposed to fake progress like having ever fancier remote controls for my TV, or 50 brands of shampoo to choose from at the Stop&Shop. Real progress toward real happiness and justice for everyone. Its a ray of sunshine in the gloom of the slow march toward fascism I've been watching unfold most of my adult life. (how's that for a mixed metaphor?) Way to go California. Y'all kiss a Sunset pig for me, alright? Hugs and Kisses (mwaa, mwaa, mwaa), David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:32:15 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: A Catered Affair From Michael Musto's column this week in the Village Voice: "A Catered Affair composer John Bucchino told me I'm no moron in spotting echoes of Joni Mitchell in his ethereal score: She's one of his biggest influences." Not coincidentally, John has long been one of Judy Collins' favorite song writers and recorded a cut on his splendid Grateful cd. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:44:03 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: cyd charisse has died - njc her dancing has given me so much pleasure over the years. the bandwagon is one of my three or four favorite movies of all time. her dancing in the noir ballet is amazing, but probably my favorite part is 'dancing in the dark', after fred and cyd have been arguing for days and thinking they hate each other and can't dance together, and they finally just go into central park and dance. she's in a simple but beautiful white dress, and it's just one of the best dance numbers ever filmed. thank you for the beauty, cyd. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/06/17/entertainment/e1 41217D31.DTL patrick np - john adams, my father knew charles ives ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 Yes, that's what I had thought too--music first typically and then the words. However, I would disagree with both Joni and the interviewer on their sentiments on what is the more difficult way to write. I think writing the words first would be more difficult because then you have to put the music around that. In my opinion, music isn't like that. In my personal experience, I always write music first and have found most musicians I run into tend to write music first. Now I've come across singers who write just lyrics (and wait around for a guitarist to put them to words) but that is a different story. I bet many people would assume Joni writes words first given her way with them. -Monika Deb Messling wrote: Well, not to disagree with Bob, but I do believe she has frequently talked about writing the music first, then setting words to it. She says the music will demand a certain kind of lyric, for example she might need something very simple and declarative, or she might even need a certain vowel sound. I can't quickly dig up all the citations, but I'm sure she's talked about this a lot, and it's fascinating. A few quick quotes: One interview: Why write the "hard way"? Why not do the words first? It's not that I'm perverse and trying to make things difficult, but it sets up a more original rhyme scheme when you have to match the words to the music. That way you don't recycle old melodies, which is probably why my music is not more popular (laughs). Then another interview: It may be a surprise, but Mitchell says that she writes her music first and then her lyrics. "It's a harder puzzle," Mitchell admits. "It's like you do the score and then do the movie. But by the score you know where your climatic statements fall and where your descriptive passages can go. And you get a more unusual rhyme scheme." - ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:00:42 EDT >From: FMYFL@aol.com >Subject: Re: Early Joni, 1966-1968 Disc 2 >To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Cc: joni@smoe.org > >Thanks Bob, after a hundred years, I finally ask a Joni question. I would >have been disappointed if nobody attempted to answer it. LOL > >In a message dated 6/17/2008 8:00:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > >> >> >> Jimmy, I'm thinking that she's primarily a 'words first' songwriter. I seem >> to recall in her many discussions of Magdalene Laundries that she composed >> the music first which was not her typical modus operandi. I could be wrong. >> >> > > > > >************** >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) Deb Messling http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:33:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: earthlings movie njc Someone posted a link to watch this movie online recently but I've lost it. Can someone provide the link again? Thanks, Kate ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #106 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------