From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #93 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, June 5 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 093 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC [Michael Flaherty ] Best Summer album [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Best Summer album ["T Peckham" ] Re: Alanis Morissette and Joni [rosemjoy@aol.com] Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate Yes, he is just another politician. He has made so many politically motivated moves in this race that he accused everyone else of doing. Well, politicians have their gimmicks in a campaign. That is just how it is. I don't blame Obama for doing the same thing only for accusing others of doing that as if he doesn't. Anyway, I don't mean this to be a slam on Obama, just an observation. Now since he's got the nom, I hope he can get into something more substantial. Change and hope and change and hope. We get it. Tell me exactly, what are you going to change? I want the nuts and bolts! Atleast right now he is talking about Israel and ensuring their safety. But this is the one thing I ask of Obama....tell me the whats and the hows and the whys of what you will do. And then of course, go do it. -Monika Michael Flaherty wrote: >>I am so happy that my hopes for a better future and healing have begun!! I'm not sure I see the "healing" part, the party seems pretty divided (it's easy to be big hearted when you win), but I'm glad you find hope in him. To me, he's just another politician. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 07:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate My apologies...I forgot the "NJC" in the previous post but I believe the world will keep on turning. My bad though. -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:04:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC I get so tired of hearing this nonsense... All the nuts & bolts are there on his website - have been for awhile. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ Much more information than you will be able to absorb, at least in one sitting. To take this (typically espoused by the right-wing) "where are the details?" posture is lazy. Don't expect the MSM to drop this in your lap, they're only interested in the controversial elements that keep people glued to their TV screens. Of course, more important than having plans and details is having the ability to unite forces to make things happen, and that's where I think Obama's strengths lie. That, and generating enough excitement to throw the current congressional bums out and replace them with folks interested in change. Bob NP: Joni, "The Circle Game" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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There are those people who don't go to his site and know only what he says... -Monika Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: I get so tired of hearing this nonsense... All the nuts & bolts are there on his website - have been for awhile. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ Much more information than you will be able to absorb, at least in one sitting. To take this (typically espoused by the right-wing) "where are the details?" posture is lazy. Don't expect the MSM to drop this in your lap, they're only interested in the controversial elements that keep people glued to their TV screens. Of course, more important than having plans and details is having the ability to unite forces to make things happen, and that's where I think Obama's strengths lie. That, and generating enough excitement to throw the current congressional bums out and replace them with folks interested in change. Bob NP: Joni, "The Circle Game" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Yes, a change can happen when two things occur: A) Enough people come together in agreement B) Somebody with the power or authority or determination leads that change (and sadly that person in power has a bit more weight than any revolution that can happen--history has shown that) That is all I'm saying. Though I suspect (or hope) that Obama will start focusing on more concrete matters now that he is the nominee. His whole campaign theme has been change and hope and unity. Right, got it. Now that he is the nom, I'm thinking, sure he'll stick with that, but hopefully he'll get his hands dirty a bit more (metaphorically speaking of course). There are those people who don't go to websites or look up their facts on the Presidential candidates. Sad but true. They take everything at face value. There are those who have told me or I have read they like Obama because he is "new" and wants "change" and can't tell me anything more because they know nothing more. I don't know what else to tell you. That is how I feel and what I hope for. That's the end of my input into this conversation as anything else I say will only be redundant. -Monika Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Speeches are just pep-talks, Monika - they are intended to move and inspire. When they wander into the "here's my 10-point plan for solving this problem" mode, eyes tend to glaze over. Look at Dr. King's "I Have A Dream" speech, arguably one of the finest speeches ever given and show me the nuts and bolts in it. I will say though that the DEBATES are where this kind of detail should be fleshed out. And it's tricky when the moderators throw out the inane questions that they do. I am looking forward to watching Obama and McCain in theirs. 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I'm not looking to the media to tell me > anything. Hell would freeze over before I turned to them for my info. > I am asking Obama to tell me something in HIS speeches. I know his > website. I've been there many times but I want HIM to address something > more concrete when he speaks. That is all I ask. He can say change and > hope until his face turns blue but I'll still be waiting. There are > those people who don't go to his site and know only what he says... Which is exactly why Bush got elected, and relected. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC Well, America doesn't always have the best opinion, now do they? Bush is evidence of that. However, if I could have voted back then, I would have not voted Bush. But are you implying you'd rather have a Presidential candidate who doesn't get specific about his ideas? Really? -Monika Jerry Notaro wrote: Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Ah Bob, it isn't nonsense. I'm not looking to the media to tell me > anything. Hell would freeze over before I turned to them for my info. > I am asking Obama to tell me something in HIS speeches. I know his > website. I've been there many times but I want HIM to address something > more concrete when he speaks. That is all I ask. He can say change and > hope until his face turns blue but I'll still be waiting. There are > those people who don't go to his site and know only what he says... Which is exactly why Bush got elected, and relected. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC Nobody, in either party, can give a nuts and bolts answer that will read like a technical manual. Because its not a mechanical process. All these things are political processes and are therefore (unfortunately) way more complicated than nuts and bolts. In fact, our system was designed that way. Maybe Henry the 8th (sorry, have been watching too much Tudors) could have the luxury of saying "how will I deal with this? have all my enemies killed, that's how!" See, that's nice and concrete. But nowadays we don't have that luxury. I don't recall ever hearing a modern day politician, except maybe Fidel Castro, tell in any kind of "step a. step b. step c." fashion, exactly how they will accomplish something. Its simply not possible! But Obama tells what direction he wishes to fly, full tilt boogie. And alot of those directions are darn similar to Hillary. So for me it would be a DREAM to see her as VP. I think she would ROCK. I think they would ROCK together. Not sure it can happen, but it would be fantastic. Would have been ok the other way around too. Anybody see McCain's speech of last evening? I feel he's playing fast and loose with his representations of what Obama believes and what Obama wants to work for. Trying to scare people. bah! I wish the Hillary people would get over the sour grapes - and lets work together. "every boy, girl, woman and man", like the song goes. Em - --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC > To: "Joni people!" , Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 11:13 AM > Ah Bob, it isn't nonsense. I'm not looking to the > media to tell me anything. Hell would freeze over before I > turned to them for my info. I am asking Obama to tell me > something in HIS speeches. I know his website. I've > been there many times but I want HIM to address something > more concrete when he speaks. That is all I ask. He can > say change and hope until his face turns blue but I'll > still be waiting. There are those people who don't go > to his site and know only what he says... > -Monika > > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > whats and the hows and the whys of what you will do.> > > I get so tired of hearing this nonsense... > > All the nuts & bolts are there on his website - have > been for awhile. > > http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ > > Much more information than you will be able to absorb, at > least in one sitting. To take this (typically espoused by > the right-wing) "where are the details?" posture > is lazy. Don't expect the MSM to drop this in your lap, > they're only interested in the controversial elements > that keep people glued to their TV screens. > > Of course, more important than having plans and details is > having the ability to unite forces to make things happen, > and that's where I think Obama's strengths lie. > That, and generating enough excitement to throw the current > congressional bums out and replace them with folks > interested in change. > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "The Circle Game" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged > material. If you are not the intended recipient of this > message you are hereby notified that any use, review, > retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction > or any action taken in reliance upon this message is > prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact > the sender and delete the material from any computer. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the > views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC No. What I am implying is the reason people like Bush (and many others) get elected is because people just listen to the stumping, feel good speeches and do not delve into the facts. They couldn't be bothered. Sad, but true. And not at all a criticism of you, Monika, but of most American voters. They vote by how they feel, rather than on learned facts. Jerry Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Well, America doesn't always have the best opinion, now do they? Bush > is evidence of that. However, if I could have voted back then, I would > have not voted Bush. But are you implying you'd rather have a > Presidential candidate who doesn't get specific about his ideas? > Really? > -Monika > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: >> Ah Bob, it isn't nonsense. I'm not looking to the media to tell me >> anything. Hell would freeze over before I turned to them for my info. >> I am asking Obama to tell me something in HIS speeches. I know his >> website. I've been there many times but I want HIM to address something >> more concrete when he speaks. That is all I ask. He can say change and >> hope until his face turns blue but I'll still be waiting. There are >> those people who don't go to his site and know only what he says... > > Which is exactly why Bush got elected, and relected. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >>Of course, more important than having plans and details is having the ability to unite forces to make things happen, and that's where I think Obama's strengths lie. Bob, I agree with you regarding the "information" comments: he's had as much detail as the others, which is to say not much, but still. However, I think the real nonsense is that Obama is some new breed of politician. As Monika basically said, he pulls the usual political tricks, and then gets high and mighty when others do them. As for uniting, that's all just rhetoric. It's all very fine to put out the hand of friendship after you've won, but the fact is he has simply drawn obvious battle-lines within the party, just like everyone else. He hasn't united anyone. That he will unite Washington to a common good ... well, that's just not going to happen. I'm not saying he's worst than A, B, or C, and of course he's better than Bush--so is everyone else. Like I said, to me, he's just another politician. Because of the war and the Supreme Court, I'll probably vote for him, but not with any pride or excitement. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:30:18 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC I vowed to stay out of this, but I am overjoyed that Obama is the nominee. Of course he's a politician. Anyone who runs for political office is a politician. Since when do non-politicians run for political office? Quoting Michael Flaherty : > > Like I said, to me, he's just another politician. Because of the > war and the Supreme Court, I'll probably vote for him, but not with > any pride or excitement. > > Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:50:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" >>I vowed to stay out of this, but I am overjoyed that Obama is the nominee. Of course he's a politician. Anyone who runs for political office is a politician. Since when do non-politicians run for political office? I know what you mean about staying out--I'm not really wanting to get much more to into this myself. To answer your question, the key to my statement is not "politician", it's "just another", as in "nothing special". Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:35:45 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Gilligan's Island, Stomp NJC > Gawd, that picture of Nick Nolte is too much. He reminds me of someone > I saw on Telegraph Ave in Berzerkely once who was yelling at people no > one else could see. Hmmm... I wonder if that was Nick Nolte. David, what were you doing in Berzerkely? Do you live in the SF Bay Area? Lori, always daydreaming about a NoCal JoniFest ... Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:10:16 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC To the complaints that Obama has not given substance in his speeches - what speeches have folks not been listening to? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+texas+speech&search_type=&aq=0&oq=obama+texas+ Its all been out there and he has said it all but folks have to be willing to, ah, listen for those to want to feel snide about all politicians, go ahead - I've been following his career since 1996 (when he won Alice Palmer's former Illinois Senate seat) and he is not just another anything - and there are many good, dedicated people who are elected public servants its cool to repeat the same old cliches and feel superior and be above it all and look down at the people who actually enter the fray - hey if it makes one happy... long time JMDLers might remember in 2000 when I ran for county clerk where I used to live - it is daunting to actually put yourself out there and I am appreciative of those who do - some don;t have the best motives and many many more as I have known them actually do have the best motives in the world and should be honored for their service. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:33:22 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC We'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I have never been as excited about a presidential candidate in all of my voting life. Of course, I only voted for the winner in 1976, 1992 and 1996. I don't understand how people can say Obama is without substance-his speeches are increasingly substantive without sacrificing the brilliant rhetoric, and his two books are real books-even the campaign book. Coupled with his rhetorical skills is a pragmatic streak. I have confidence he will get something done. I'm just as confident he will disappoint me. HRC's health care proposal is closer to what I favor, for instance, though of course I truly favor socialized medicine, and no candidate will give us that. The depiction of Obama supporters as somehow having drunk the kool-aid is a baseless caricature. _____ From: Michael Flaherty [mailto:mflaher3@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:51 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net Cc: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Monika Bogdanowicz; Joni people! Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" >>I vowed to stay out of this, but I am overjoyed that Obama is the nominee. Of course he's a politician. Anyone who runs for political office is a politician. Since when do non-politicians run for political office? I know what you mean about staying out--I'm not really wanting to get much more to into this myself. To answer your question, the key to my statement is not "politician", it's "just another", as in "nothing special". Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:41:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC I listened to both Hillary and Obama's speeches last night. After hearing Obama's, it was over for me. I was a supporter of hers, and I voted for her, but we need not wait for a decision from her. It is over. Obama's speech was that of a winner, the winner. And I heard no one anywhere comment on his exit music, Stevie Wonder playing Signed, Sealed, and Delivered. It doesn't get more clever than that! Jerry > To the complaints that Obama has not given substance in his speeches - what > speeches have folks not been listening to? > > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obama+texas+speech&search_type=&aq > =0&oq=obama+texas+ > > > Its all been out there and he has said it all but folks have to be willing > to, ah, listen > > > for those to want to feel snide about all politicians, go ahead - > > I've been following his career since 1996 (when he won Alice Palmer's former > Illinois Senate seat) and he is not just another anything - and there are > many good, dedicated people who are elected public servants > > its cool to repeat the same old cliches and feel superior and be above it > all and look down at the people who actually enter the fray - hey if it > makes one happy... > > long time JMDLers might remember in 2000 when I ran for county clerk where I > used to live - it is daunting to actually put yourself out there and I am > appreciative of those who do - some don;t have the best motives and many > many more as I have known them actually do have the best motives in the > world and should be honored for their service. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:47:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC And I can only imagine what it must feel like to be an African-American and see someone other than a white guy getting the nomination. Not to mention the message we're sending to the rest of the world... Bob NP: James Brown, "Papa Don't Take No Mess" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:48:52 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Elect Awe Koota Bilxpaak Kooxshiiwiash Dear Joniamigos: Given Joni's great "affection and respect, a little passion" for Native Americans, I thought this story (pasted below) was very cool, and shareworthy. My Lakota friend sent it to me. If you are sick of all of this talk about Obama now, delete or scroll now. Don't say I didn't warn ya! The Crow Tribe adopted Obama and gave him the name in the subject line, which means: One who helps people throughout the land. Good name! And they know HE won't be ripping off Indian land again. Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place. Love & Hope (npimh: a new day, a new way, to carry on), Patti P., who spared you all the Madwoman of Mansfield ooby shooby euphoria last night (Em, I scared the dog again! LOL!) ***** Elect Awe Koota Bilxpaak Kooxshiiwiash Dorreen Yellow Bird Grand Forks Herald Published Wednesday, June 04, 2008 (Dorreen Yellow Bird is a reporter and columnist.) Were on the edge of a making history. Sen. Barack Obama basically has clinched the nomination, the media announced Tuesday. The country will break the mold, and we will take a step in a new direction and toward inclusiveness. There is also another first for Indian tribes. Its that a presidential candidate was adopted into an Indian tribe. As the primaries end, I look back at presidential candidates visits to reservations and promises made to tribes about health care, education and a voice in the government. This doesnt mean presidents never visit reservations or make promises; well, we know about broken promises, but thats another column. But when I read about Obamas adoption, I could almost smell the pungent aroma of wild sage and taste the buffalo stew. What an event: I believe Obama was a first presidential candidate to be adopted into a tribe. He was adopted into the Crow Tribe at Crow Agency, Mont., a few weeks ago by his new parents, Hartford Sonny Black Eagle and his wife, Mary. They were selected for this honor because they are from a five-generation family, which means that the family members of today know their Indian ancestors going back five generations. Given the traumas that Indian tribes faced, its extraordinary for an Indian family to have such knowledge survive. Obama was given the name Awe Koota Bilxpaak Kooxshiiwiash, One who helps people throughout the land. The Obama family was excited about the adoption, news stories said. Incidentally, the Crow tribe also adopted Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., and Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer of Montana. What does that really mean for the Crow tribe and Obama? For the tribe, I assume it is extending a bit of culture and ceremony to this man whom they believe will help all the people. The Black Eagles will treat him like a son  although because of Obamas position, theyll probably have little personal contact with him. But the Black Eagles will remember him in their prayers every day. From now on, Obama will have those guardian angels prayers. Thats pretty powerful in our way. For me, this adoption brought the government of this nation closer to me. I feel more a part of the nation as a whole with this newly adopted candidate, who may be president one day soon. From my columnists viewpoint, here is what I believe about the Democratic presidential candidates: I have watched the national primary. Most days, I read The New York Times, the Washington Post and local papers. I followed Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. At first, I thought Hillary would be the better candidate because she had more experience as well as the experience and guidance of her husband, Bill. But as the primaries moved into high gear, Clinton seemed too hell-bent on being president. She seemed like a wild cat with claws, changing and doing anything to win, it seemed to me. In Obama on the other hand, I sensed a spirit that cared. I was taken by his speeches and the way he handled himself, especially in the Rev. Jeremiah Wright situation. I was also impressed that he seemed to be gentle with Clinton and treated her better than certainly she treated him. What he lacks in experience surely will be made up by this intelligent mans abilities to learn. I was a little taken aback by the reactions of Indian people to the campaign. I was disappointed with those who thought voting for a candidate who worked with Indian people in the past or had visited tribes was most important. It is more important that the person understand all the people, I believe. If the candidate elected as president doesnt get the economy moving forward, quiet the war dogs and restore our role as great nation, then things such as education, health care and making this nation a better place to live  on and off the reservation  wont get better, either. ******* _________________________________________________________________ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:24:08 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Jerry Notaro wrote: > And I heard no one anywhere comment on his > exit music, Stevie Wonder playing Signed, Sealed, and Delivered. It doesn't > get more clever than that! > > Jerry > > > They followed that with Its a Beautiful Day. And it was! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC "Its a Beautiful Day" the song? or Its a Beautiful Day, the band? I take it they didn't play "White Bird"? or? mebbe? nah..... :P - --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > They followed that with Its a Beautiful Day. > > And it was! > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:35:52 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC (it's a) Beautiful Day by U2 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Em wrote: > "Its a Beautiful Day" the song? or Its a Beautiful Day, the band? I take it > they didn't play "White Bird"? or? mebbe? > nah..... > :P > > > --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > > > They followed that with Its a Beautiful Day. > > > > And it was! > > > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:52:22 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: Barack is the Democratic candidate > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 18:30:17 -0700 > From: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com > Subject: Barack is the Democratic candidate > To: joni@smoe.org > > I am so happy that my hopes for a better future and healing have begun!! > > Jeannie > ME TOO!!! IT'S THRILLING!!!! > ~We really thought we had a purpose > We were so anxious to acheive > We had hope > The world held promise > For a slave to liberty > Freely we slaved away for something > And we were bought and sold > And all weI ever wanted > Was just to come in from the cold~ > ~Joni~ > w/ little lyrical movements by me > > > > > > > ~nj~ _________________________________________________________________ Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live Messenger. https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC - ----- Original Message ---- From: Vince Lavieri >>for those to want to feel snide about all politicians, go ahead - I've been following his career since 1996 (when he won Alice Palmer's former Illinois Senate seat) and he is not just another anything - and there are many good, dedicated people who are elected public servants its cool to repeat the same old cliches and feel superior and be above it all and look down at the people who actually enter the fray - hey if it makes one happy... All I said was that I don't think he's anything special, and it's certainly true: I don't. As I said before, for those of you who do, I'm happy for you, and I truly hope that you're not disappointed--and that I'm pleasantly surprised. By the way, I live in the Chicago area. Michael F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:42:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC Well I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree as far as our expectations of the contents of Presidential candidates' speeches go. We'll also have to agree to disagree on what we hear in Obama's speeches as far as substance goes. You won't change my mind and I won't change your mind. I will say I think it is great that Obama inspires some of you folks and some people of America in general. That is a wonderful thing to get people involved. Good for them and for you. But all I said was one criticism of Obama which isn't going to change. He's got my vote but I don't think he's perfect. I'm not 100% behind him. There are aspects of his campaign I didn't like and things he has said/done that I don't like--as I said, the lack of substance in his speeches for one. Don't expect me to change my mind on that. I don't expect you to change yours. It is my opinion and I stand by it. As for some of Hillary's supporters being "sour grapes," Obama knows he is going to need those sour grapes to win in November. She received 18 million votes, 18 million votes which Obama is intelligent enough to now try to court. Even McCain's trying to get in on those 18 million votes. -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:47:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Alanis Morissette and Joni Nothing life changing or stunning but.....in the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, Alanis Morissette mentioned 5 female musicians she enjoys and Joni was one of them. -Monika, one who always likes to see Joni mentions wherever and whenever ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Best Summer album Well, I don't know what it is like in your part of the world, but in my part, I think I can finally say that the warm weather is here to stay (well for a few months anyhow). It feels like summer to me. We're getting temps up near 90 these next few days and I am excited! All that being said, I notice I tend to grab different albums when the weather is better. What do you think would be the best summer Joni album to listen to? When Spring hit, I immediately grabbed Clouds for whatever reason. Which Joni album would be ideal to kick off summer? -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:18:24 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: Best Summer album *Hejira * :-P :-D Terra, who wilts in the summer humidity and dreams of ice-skating on a lake. On 6/4/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > > Well, I don't know what it is like in your part of the world, but in my > part, I think I can finally say that the warm weather is here to stay (well > for a few months anyhow). It feels like summer to me. We're getting temps > up near 90 these next few days and I am excited! > All that being said, I notice I tend to grab different albums when the > weather is better. What do you think would be the best summer Joni album to > listen to? When Spring hit, I immediately grabbed Clouds for whatever > reason. Which Joni album would be ideal to kick off summer? > -Monika > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:20:48 -0400 From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Alanis Morissette and Joni My daughter Corinne is a huge Alanis fan. I enjoy her as well... - -----Original Message----- From: Monika Bogdanowicz To: Joni people! Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:47 pm Subject: Alanis Morissette and Joni Nothing life changing or stunning but.....in the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, Alanis Morissette mentioned 5 female musicians she enjoys and Joni was one of them. -Monika, one who always likes to see Joni mentions wherever and whenever ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 01:16:54 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Barack is the Democratic candidate NJC Love that band. I hung out with Patti and David in the day at The Warehouse New Orleans with my friend Billy Hatten. Then I became friends with Billy Gregory later in life and will never forget so many of their songs. I really liked "It's A Beautiful Day Today" the album. Best Paz (on Ono Island moonlighting after a great meal and jam with the fam.) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 4, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Em wrote: "Its a Beautiful Day" the song? or Its a Beautiful Day, the band? I take it they didn't play "White Bird"? or? mebbe? nah..... :P - --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: >> They followed that with Its a Beautiful Day. > > And it was! > > Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #93 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------