From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #90 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 2 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 090 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Turbulent Indigo - Joni and TS Eliot and other thoughts, a bit long! [Luc] Re: Singles [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Preservation Hall Jazz Band in DC and Mini-fest? ["Laree Martin" ] Re: Lesson In Survival [Bob Muller ] Re: Photos from Mandolin Bros [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: "We Are Joni Mitchell" ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] All Joni Content! Photos from Mandolin Bros [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Singles [Jeannie ] njc Yves St Laurent is dead at 71 ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Preservation Hall Jazz Band in DC and Mini-fest? [Michael Paz Subject: Turbulent Indigo - Joni and TS Eliot and other thoughts, a bit long! "All my little landscapes, All my yellow afternoons, Stack up around this vacancy Like dirty cups and spoons" Hello everyone, long long time no posting from me and I have to admit to having been a scant browser in recent weeks and months. Life is like that you know! Scanning down the posts, the words above sprang out to me as they so strongly echo the words from my most favourite poem in the world. I think Monika and others have been discussing things but I am so useless at reading back through themes that I have to jump in, again, without full knowledge of the discussion. Apologies if I am repeating things aleady mentioned. It is possible that the discussion around these words has encompassed T S Eliot. See Line 51 to 54" of "The Love song of J Alfred Prufrock" copied in below. It is a wonderful essay in unrequited love and, clearly, as we have all recognised, Joni has had feelings of hesitation, insecurity, intense longing, alienation etc., throughout her life. And I think she is still there with many of those feelings, possibly. Yes she gives interviews, yes she is gracious to those who meet her but I also feel that she gives out only the "Joni" that she has learned to wear for the people that she meets. In her lyrics, not just in T I but in other songs there are echoes of other artists who similarly were at the centre of their artistic genre, but also somehow on the edge of things. She has clearly read and borrowed from W B Yeates and her painting style is as near to Van Gogh as you can get and his own life is one of a struggle to be understood, and be accepted. She has borrowed from Castenada and others and what this shows me of her is a woman struggling to sort out who the hell she is, and where her own thoughts and abilities come from. In her early work there is a sense of baring herself in her songs, showing her frailty, her youth and indecision, and then she seems to have devoured the readings and teachings of others to stoke her prodigious talent and girded herself with that armour to remain untouched by other people. I know a number of musicians who with those of a similar ilk are the most happy, content, free and sociable people, but outside of that comfort zone are riddled with doubt about the daily lives they lead. I feel Joni may be like that too. I am not someone who can quote endless reams of Joni at people, I cannot tell you all the track listings on every album, I don't wear joni as a point of identification about me. Perhaps its laziness, perhaps its that I like to remain apart from the gossip. I still feel I come at her songs from the viewpoint of a stranger in a strange land and I like that freshness that that brings. And yet there is within me a deep core of resonance in her words even when the musical arrangement grates on me like chalk on a blackboard. She is a poet first and foremost for me - particularly in her later works and there are albums I have never listened to. Anyway, here I am rambling on a Sunday morning in England with a mixed sky promising mixed weather again! That is my few pence worth and I hope you enjoy the poem below as much as I love it. The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock > Let us go then, you and I, When the evening is spread out against the > sky Like a patient etherized upon a table; Let us go, through certain > half-deserted streets, The muttering retreats Of restless nights in > one-night cheap hotels And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells: > Streets that follow like a tedious argument Of insidious intent To > lead you to an overwhelming question. . . 10 Oh, do not ask, "What is > it?" Let us go and make our visit. In the room the women come and go > Talking of Michelangelo. The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the > window-panes The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes > Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening Lingered upon the > pools that stand in drains, Let fall upon its back the soot that falls > from chimneys, Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap, 20 And > seeing that it was a soft October night Curled once about the house, > and fell asleep. And indeed there will be time For the yellow smoke > that slides along the street, Rubbing its back upon the window-panes; > There will be time, there will be time To prepare a face to meet the > faces that you meet; There will be time to murder and create, And time > for all the works and days of hands That lift and drop a question on > your plate; 30 Time for you and time for me, And time yet for a > hundred indecisions And for a hundred visions and revisions Before the > taking of a toast and tea. In the room the women come and go Talking > of Michelangelo. And indeed there will be time To wonder, "Do I dare?" > and, "Do I dare?" Time to turn back and descend the stair, With a bald > spot in the middle of my hair 40 [They will say: "How his hair is > growing thin!"] My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the > chin, My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin [They > will say: "But how his arms and legs are thin!"] Do I dare Disturb the > universe? In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which > a minute will reverse. For I have known them all already, known them > all; Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, 50 I have measured > out my life with coffee spoons; I know the voices dying with a dying > fall Beneath the music from a farther room. So how should I presume? > And I have known the eyes already, known them all The eyes that fix > you in a formulated phrase, And when I am formulated, sprawling on a > pin, When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall, Then how should I > begin To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways? 60 And how > should I presume? And I have known the arms already, known them all > Arms that are braceleted and white and bare [But in the lamplight, > downed with light brown hair!] Is it perfume from a dress That makes > me so digress? Arms that lie along a table, or wrap about a shawl. And > should I then presume? And how should I begin? . . . . . Shall I say, > I have gone at dusk through narrow streets 70 And watched the smoke > that rises from the pipes Of lonely men in shirt-sleeves, leaning out > of windows? . . . I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling > across the floors of silent seas. . . . . . And the afternoon, the > evening, sleeps so peacefully! Smoothed by long fingers, Asleep . . . > tired . . . or it malingers, Stretched on the floor, here beside you > and me. Should I, after tea and cakes and ices, Have the strength to > force the moment to its crisis? 80 But though I have wept and fasted, > wept and prayed, Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) > brought in upon a platter, I am no prophetand here's no great matter; > I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker, And I have seen the > eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker, And in short, I was afraid. > And would it have been worth it, after all, After the cups, the > marmalade, the tea, Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and > me, Would it have been worth while, 90 To have bitten off the matter > with a smile, To have squeezed the universe into a ball To roll it > toward some overwhelming question, To say: "I am Lazarus, come from > the dead, Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all" If one, > settling a pillow by her head, Should say, "That is not what I meant > at all. That is not it, at all." And would it have been worth it, > after all, Would it have been worth while, 100 After the sunsets and > the dooryards and the sprinkled streets, After the novels, after the > teacups, after the skirts that trail along the floor And this, and so > much more? It is impossible to say just what I mean! But as if a > magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen: Would it have > been worth while If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl, > And turning toward the window, should say: "That is not it at all, > That is not what I meant, at all." 110 . . . . . No! I am not Prince > Hamlet, nor was meant to be; Am an attendant lord, one that will do To > swell a progress, start a scene or two Advise the prince; no doubt, an > easy tool, Deferential, glad to be of use, Politic, cautious, and > meticulous; Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; At times, indeed, > almost ridiculous Almost, at times, the Fool. I grow old . . . I grow > old . . . 120 I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled. Shall I > part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach? I shall wear white > flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach. I have heard the mermaids > singing, each to each. I do not think they will sing to me. I have > seen them riding seaward on the waves Combing the white hair of the > waves blown back When the wind blows the water white and black. We > have lingered in the chambers of the sea By sea-girls wreathed with > seaweed red and brown 130 Till human voices wake us, and we drown. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:54:52 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Singles I agree Rian, except for My Secret Place. I love that song and it was a wise commercial choice too being that Peter Gabriel has a very large following all around the world. I would love to hear more of Joni and Peter singing together. I think their voices are well suited to each other. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 07:50:01 -0400 From: "Laree Martin" Subject: Preservation Hall Jazz Band in DC and Mini-fest? Hello all, especially those within reach of the Washington, DC area. I note that the Preservation Hall Jazz Band's schedule will bring it to DC for a performance at the Kennedy Center on September 28. I'm wondering whether anyone would have interest in attending that performance and having a mini-Joni fest here on Saturday, September 27? Please let me know off list whether you'd like to be included in tickets for the performance, plans for the mini-fest, or both. Best to all! Laree ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:52:08 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Lesson In Survival Well, there's official and there's unofficial. I'm happy with either. I would just like to point out our own JMDLer, Danilo's wonderful cover of, Electricity. I count that as a cover. Mark in Sydney On 01/06/2008, at 10:46 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > Sorry, just too lazy to check the website.> > > Well, you get positive points for honesty and negative points for > laziness...but as Terra pointed out, no covers of LIS so far. As I > have said before, FTR remains vastly underrepresented in the > bastion of Joni covers, to wit: > > Lesson In Survival, Judgement, Electricity, remain uncovered - and > the Let The Wind Carry Me from Ms. Kuhn is from a live recording so > essentially it's not been released officially. > > See You Sometime, once. Banquet, twice. Cold Blue Steel & WOHAM, > three. Barangrill & Blonde In The Bleachers, four. For The Roses, > five. > > Only YTMOIAR has any kind of decent numbers with 26. > > Ain't no justice, I tell ya. > > Bob > > NP: They Might Be Giants, "Sketchy Galore" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 05:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Lesson In Survival Well, you get positive points for honesty and negative points for laziness...but as Terra pointed out, no covers of LIS so far. As I have said before, FTR remains vastly underrepresented in the bastion of Joni covers, to wit: Lesson In Survival, Judgement, Electricity, remain uncovered - and the Let The Wind Carry Me from Ms. Kuhn is from a live recording so essentially it's not been released officially. See You Sometime, once. Banquet, twice. Cold Blue Steel & WOHAM, three. Barangrill & Blonde In The Bleachers, four. For The Roses, five. Only YTMOIAR has any kind of decent numbers with 26. Ain't no justice, I tell ya. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Sketchy Galore" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 09:49:14 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Photos from Mandolin Bros > From: Chuck Eisenhardt > Subject: Mandolin Bros. photos > > Hi, > Can anyone direct me to a place to acquire the photos by Stan Jay's > wife, posted on the list a while ago, of Joni's visit to Mandolin Bros? > > (these are mosly of Joni trying out the mandocello from 'Song for > Sharon' > but in a couple of shots she's playing a vintage slotted-head Martin, > which I believe she also may bought that day, or soon thereafter. > One sees Dylan and Baez with a similar (the same?) Martin... > > and please share the info for folks who may not have seen them... > > Hi, Chuck, Stan sent those photos to me on a disc and I forwarded them to Les. I thought they were available somewhere on the JMDL site but I couldn't find them either. If anyone would like me to send them, please let me know and I'll do a "group" emailing tomorrow. I can also include my story of visiting both the old (where Joni visited) & new Mandolin Bros stores, and current photos of Stan & his amazing stock-in-trade, if anyone wants those as well. Kenny B ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:30:06 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: "We Are Joni Mitchell" Have just looked into this... it's on at the Latitude Festival and it's presented by Birds of Britain under the Arcola Theatre 'umbrella' of plays... not sure if this is going to have a London outing.... but will ask at the arcola facebook group 2008/5/29 : > Attention Londoners: Lattitude 2008 will be held July 17-20 at London's > Arcola Theatre and will feature a production titled "We Are Joni Mitchell" > performed by the Birds of Britain, described as follows: > > Birds Of Britain are delighted to present 'We Are Joni Mitchell', a comedy > with music set at Latitude 2008, in which three strangers meet after the > suddenly cancelled appearance of their heroine Joni. Through an > increasingly competitive exploration of her songs and lyrics, each seeks > to prove to the others that she is the ultimate Joni authority and fan: > one physically, one musically, and one Yiddishly. (warning: contains > interpretative dance). > > Sounds interesting... > > Bob > > NP: The Allman Bros, "Rockin' Horse" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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I want to be Joan Didion, Joni Mitchell, Joan of Arc." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:56:20 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: All Joni Content! Photos from Mandolin Bros Thanks Kenny! These pictures are quite amazing! Thanks for all your adventures tracking these down. And thanks to the Jay's for sharing.....this Kodak site also has the gallery of your trip to Mandolin Bros....one may need to establish an account here in order to view the galleries. Chuck I found your gallery here: http://www.kodakgallery.com/Ijsp?c=7uz5qf0.877rjgsg&x=1&y=-vbao2b On Jun 1, 2008, at 9:49 AM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > >> From: Chuck Eisenhardt >> Subject: Mandolin Bros. photos >> >> Hi, >> Can anyone direct me to a place to acquire the photos by Stan Jay's >> wife, posted on the list a while ago, of Joni's visit to Mandolin >> Bros? >> >> (these are mosly of Joni trying out the mandocello from 'Song for >> Sharon' >> but in a couple of shots she's playing a vintage slotted-head Martin, >> which I believe she also may bought that day, or soon thereafter. >> One sees Dylan and Baez with a similar (the same?) Martin... >> >> and please share the info for folks who may not have seen them... >> > > Hi, Chuck, > Stan sent those photos to me on a disc and I forwarded them to > Les. I thought they were available somewhere on the JMDL site but I > couldn't find them either. If anyone would like me to send them, > please let me know and I'll do a "group" emailing tomorrow. I can > also include my story of visiting both the old (where Joni visited) > & new Mandolin Bros stores, and current photos of Stan & his > amazing stock-in-trade, if anyone wants those as well. > > Kenny B > > > > ************** > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler > Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&? > NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Joni reference in a movie I personally would have added Joan Armatrading in there also. She goes around the elementary schools in the towns she tours and teaches little children the power and joy and healing expressions through music and poetry. I love Joan Armatrading's works. Jeannie PS: I've always wondered why there are so many Joans or Jones or "J" sounding names in my life. Deb Messling wrote: In the film "Starting Out in the Evening," an excruciatingly intense young grad student proclaims "I want to be bold! I want to be Joan Didion, Joni Mitchell, Joan of Arc." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ~nj~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Singles Funny, last night my son had "My Secret Place," on repeat on his computer's I-Tunes all through the night. He loves the way Peter Gabriel and Joni harmonize along with those Dolby sounds. Besides, Peter Gabriel gives Joni that masculine side he needs since he was basically just brought up with female singer/songwriters and it's hard for him to break from that sound though he tries. Music is a must in his life otherwise he's truly miserable and to keep up with Joni in the male-dominated musical scene is very difficult fot him. Joni's the Lady for him no matter what and he'll never stray far from that! Jeannie PS: It's quite puzzling for him that I refuse to burn discs from the artists I love the most. He feels it stems from the artwork that came along with those big albums or LPs and that it feels like cheating to me. I don't like burning the ones I love the most one bit. Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: I agree Rian, except for My Secret Place. I love that song and it was a wise commercial choice too being that Peter Gabriel has a very large following all around the world. I would love to hear more of Joni and Peter singing together. I think their voices are well suited to each other. Mark in Sydney ~nj~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:45:46 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: njc Yves St Laurent is dead at 71 http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na died Sunday (today) in Paris hard to remember how young he was when he crashed the fashion world Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:34:22 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Preservation Hall Jazz Band in DC and Mini-fest? Hi Laree- Well count me in. I also can provide a few freebies to the show altho I don't know how many as yet. We will be there with the Blind Boys of Alabama. I have some friends that work at the Kennedy Center so it should not be a big issue getting a few people in. My friend by way of Claudia (singer songwriter Karyn Oliver) will probably be up for some singing and playing. WooHoo a mini fest. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 1, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Laree Martin wrote: Hello all, especially those within reach of the Washington, DC area. I note that the Preservation Hall Jazz Band's schedule will bring it to DC for a performance at the Kennedy Center on September 28. I'm wondering whether anyone would have interest in attending that performance and having a mini-Joni fest here on Saturday, September 27? Please let me know off list whether you'd like to be included in tickets for the performance, plans for the mini-fest, or both. Best to all! Laree ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:50:33 -0400 From: "Laree Martin" Subject: Re: Preservation Hall Jazz Band in DC and Mini-fest? Great news, Paz! I'll get crackin' on plans and keep you looped in! Cheers! Laree - ------ Original Message ------ Received: 11:01 PM EDT, 06/01/2008 From: Michael Paz To: "Laree Martin" Cc: , "Cynthia Burack" , "Robert LaRiviere" , "Jeff Mann" , "Shawn" , "Alayna Waldrum" Subject: Re: Preservation Hall Jazz Band in DC and Mini-fest? Hi Laree- Well count me in. I also can provide a few freebies to the show altho I don't know how many as yet. We will be there with the Blind Boys of Alabama. I have some friends that work at the Kennedy Center so it should not be a big issue getting a few people in. My friend by way of Claudia (singer songwriter Karyn Oliver) will probably be up for some singing and playing. WooHoo a mini fest. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jun 1, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Laree Martin wrote: Hello all, especially those within reach of the Washington, DC area. I note that the Preservation Hall Jazz Band's schedule will bring it to DC for a performance at the Kennedy Center on September 28. I'm wondering whether anyone would have interest in attending that performance and having a mini-Joni fest here on Saturday, September 27? Please let me know off list whether you'd like to be included in tickets for the performance, plans for the mini-fest, or both. Best to all! Laree ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #90 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------