From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #85 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 29 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 085 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Amelia it was just a false alarm ["Anita Tedder" ] banshee [Dave Blackburn ] re: NJC What if a black man ran for president and nobody remembered? ["] fake lottery email (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Another Joni mention on Jeopardy! [Patti Parlette ] Re: fake lottery email (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: fake lottery email (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: fake lottery email (njc) [Em ] Found on Amazon JC [Russell Bowden ] A Joni buried treasure.... [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: fake lottery email (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: fake lottery email (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Land Lines (njc) ["Cassy" ] Re: NJC What if a black man ran for president and nobody remembered? [Dav] RE: Land Lines (njc) ["Rob Argento" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #60 [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Found on Amazon JC ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:32:29 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: Amelia it was just a false alarm Monika wrote: " Well I won't say any more as far as dissecting this lyric goes since it has been so thoroughly analyzed." Just wanted to say how much I also enjoyed your analysis,too, Mark. Monika also said: "And anytime something comes into view for me personally and turns out to be something entirely different or the hope is squashed or whatever it may be, I always sing this line in my head. "Amelia it was just a false alarm." It brings me some comfort personally." I think bringing comfort is one of the greatest things we humans get from music - and Joni has given bucket loads of comfort via her music. Another good reason to belong to JMDL. Anita Tedder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:48:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The First Album 40 years on, desert island top 5 records now njc whatsover - --- Mark Scott wrote: > But, Honey, what you wrote [about "Lost"] makes it sound like > you are still > watching it! LOL! > My daughter watches it. We now live in a small place and it's impossible NOT to at least be somewhat aware of what's on TV (including "The Hills," that dreadful and pointless show to which young girls and women - and even some guys - are hopelessly addicted. I leave the room when that one's on!) When "Lost" is on, sometimes I stay in the room and try to watch it, but I get fed up. Or else I fall asleep. Life o' the party. That's me. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: How to spend $600 USD, njc thanks for the suggestions, as always, Jim! I'm still wanting a pair of those Epos, but honestly, am not listening enough through my speakers to justify the expediture. Trying to figure out what to do with my Klipsch's that I never listen to. Craigslist, maybe! For now, detailed listening, for me, happens with good headphones and headphone amp. Otherwise (and this is so sad I guess) I might as well listen to my JVC Kaboom box. ::shrug:: it sounds, to me, as musical or more-so than the Klipschs'. GOTTA be my blown out ears. Have missed ya around here! :) Em - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: - --------------------------------- The price of really great speakers has come down. Way down. There aremany positive reviews of all of these. Epos ELS-3 $329 / pair but they need stands and maybe a sub Infinity Primus P162 $298 / pair but they need stands and maybe a sub Paradigm Atom v.5 $249 / pair but they need stands and maybe a sub PSB Alpha B1 $279 / pair but they need stands and maybe a sub Or here's a floor standing speaker: Aperion Audio Intimus 533-T $750 /pair None of these will be at Best Buy. You'll have to seek them out with aGoogle search. - ------------- Still playing LPs? Me too. Here's a $399.00 cartridge that's highlyrecommended: "Sumiko-Blue-Point-Special-Evo-III" www.needledoctor.com With the money left over, get the right stuff to clean records: a. a pint of "The Disc Doctor's Miracle Record Cleaner, one pint, $25US b. 2 "Size A Disc Doctor LP Brushes (for wet Brushing), $42 / pair US c. For dry records, use the AcousTech Carbon Fiber Brush $18.00 US - -------------- How's the old CD player doing? If it still spins and has a coax output(most do), consider an upgrade to an "outboard digital to analogconverter". Your old CD or DVD player sends ones and zeros to the newconverter. The converter can make a huge difference in the richness,detail, and dynamics. (Dynamics: the way loud/soft differences sound,especially on well-recorded acoustic piano stuff like Tori Amos. Thepiano's attack & decay sound more like real-life.) Zhaolu 3.0 $325 http://www.ifiaudio.com/d3.html Channel Island Audio VDA-2 is a highly recommended converter , $599 US http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73297 - ------------------ I bought a used Minolta digital SLR which takes interchangeablelenses. KEH in Atlanta sells them with a warranty & they havetheir own repair shop. It's a "Konica-Minolta 5D" with 6.1megapixels. The kit includes a lens, cables, software for editing,Lithium-ion battery, charger, & instruction book. Like I said,it's used with a warranty, for $364 in Excellent + condition. I knowthe newer cameras have 10 Mega-pixels, but how often do you make 16' x20" enlargements? http://www.keh.com In the upper left, chose "Minolta Digital" and "Camera Outfits" or"Camera Bodies", then click "Go". Add a 2 Gig CF card ($50) and a neck strap from Best Buy or Walmart. - ------------------- All the best, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:02:16 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: banshee It could also be harmonica through a distorted amp. Pretty ugly either way and way too loud in the mix. When I remastered STAS that sound was killing me, and not in a good way. Dave <<< What IS that siren thing on 'Nathan La Freneer'? It's an instrument? Electric guitar.>> The album insert states: Lee Keefer and Joni Mitchell on banshee. But this brings up another question - what the heck is a banshee? And why does it take two people to play it?> Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:18:33 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: re: NJC What if a black man ran for president and nobody remembered? David, I remember Jesse Jackson and the fact that he made a good campaign. Also Hillary is not the first female candidate, Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman to run for president - at least that I know of - but I don't think you could call her campaign really competitive. I guess the US wasn't ready for a woman in that office at that time period. Donna >>> David Eoll 5/27/2008 11:47 PM >>> > From: "Vince Lavieri" > Subject: NJC What if Howard Dean was really James Dean? > > Alabama etc? 40 years ago did any of us think we would live to see a day > when a black man won primaries in Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, the > Carolinas, Louisiana? Damn it. I was catching up on digests and I was so proud of myself for making it this far without jumping onto the dem primary thread. But, you just hit my nit-picking nerve. Obama is not the first black person to win primaries in those states. It is a pet peeve of mine that America seems to have flushed Jesse Jackson down the memory hole, and the myth has somehow taken root that Obama is the first competitive black candidate. Not so. Jesse won over 1200 delegates and won the following states: Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina (Gore won NC), Virginia, Delaware, Michigan, Vermont, and Alaska. Granted, he may not have been as articulate as Obama (translation: he sounded a lot blacker when he talked) but he ran a strong campaign and gave Dukakis a run for his money. Dukakis had a big lead throughout the race, but Jackson stayed in it till the convention. I thought he made history, but apparently not. It is true, though, that Clinton is the first competitive female candidate. She made history... er, excuse me... herstory in NH by being the first woman to win a primary for either party. It's unfortunate that two groups that have been marginalized for the whole of American history, African-Americans and women, have chosen the same year to field such strong candidates. But, the fact is there will be one winner, and one loser. One group (hopefully not both) will have to wait a bit longer. Respectfully, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:05:24 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: fake lottery email (njc) I got one of those phony international lottery emails, claiming I won 2 million dollars. Usually I just delete them but this one had all kinds of fancy graphics, animation, and photographs of "previous winners." It cracks me up as they really went over the top to make it seem legitimate but miss so many obvious details. One of the photos is from the South Carolina Education Lottery ( I had no idea S.C. was involved with an international lottery with a head office in Bangkok, Thailand.) And apparently, this drawing took place back in November of 2007 and they're just now getting around to notifying me. It's also approved by AAA and even stamped at the bottom. They also misspelled jackpot...it says The Powerball Jackport Int'l Lottery. And the heading of one of the photos says 2006 winners when the check in the picture clearly says March 8, 2005. It even says "Do not answer to emails that does not have the recent winners pictures below.that means they are imposters" Hilarious! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:01 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Another Joni mention on Jeopardy! Welcome home, Kenny B! I hope you got lots of picture postcard charms from your trip. You wrote, for "completists": A bit late with this minor bit of Joni trivia, but I didn't notice it mentioned before and thought I'd throw it out there for all you "completists." On the May 19th Jeopardy!, the reigning champ got the "daily double" and bet a couple thousand dollars; the "answer" was (something like) "This Jazz musician won a surprise Best Album Grammy for his, 'River: The Joni Letters.'" As usual (!) the guy just looked completely clueless (as in George-Bush-Deer-In-Headlights-Stare) and couldn't come up with Herbie Hancock (or any OTHER name). **** LOL! I saw that, too! I was screaming at my TV screen: "You IDIOT! How smart can you be if you don't know diddly 'bout Joni (HELLO!), and that Herbie's "River: The Joni Letters" was the freaking ALBUM OF THE YEAR???!!! Dummy. That night, I sorta/kinda mentioned it in this manner (I was romanticizing some pain that was in my head at the time): "I *was* going to post tonight w/ congratulations for Nate and Mikey and their families (congratulations encore un fois, Joni Papas!), and a Joni/Herbie question on Jeopardy, but now I'm just going to blow this damn candle/computer out." Ha ha. "All the guilty people" he said They've all seen the stain On their daily bread On their christian names I cleared myself I sacrificed my blues And you could complete me I'd complete you So now, we've completed each other! Mitchellian Completists! By the way, thank you for the Sheila Weller interview. Quelle coincidence, it came just one hour after I finished reading GLU. I had taken it slow, wanting to savor it, and I was a little sad. I always get a little sad at the end of a great book because I don't want it to end. Yeah, well, I went out to my mailbox and stopped a postman passing by, and -- lo and behold! -- there was the CD. The GLU gift goes on... Instant karma! I love the good karma on this list. And we all SHINE on, like the (judgement of the) moon and the stars and the sun...no solitary path here! ; ) Milles mercis, mon ami d'esprit! Love, Patti P., getting ready for the big event at Proud-headed Lizzie's Curbside Cuisine at noon...I went to the balloon store this morning and bought an armload of bright balloons...I asked the lady if she had a moon balloon (I teased her for the moon) and she looked at me like that dummy on Jeopardy! I was thinking "is one a moon, dear clown, tied to a string for me" but didn't bother to explain....no need to explain....it's just as natural as the weather in this blue blue sky today Shine on lousy leadership! http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?submit=1&search_distance=30&search_zip=06250&action_id=121 _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: fake lottery email (njc) Do you ever get any emails such as the following? I used to always get these sorts of emails on aol (only have gotten one since switching to yahoo) that were really long emails coming from a Mr. something or another asking you to help with their sick brother or sister or mother. I always found those to be pretty low as there are millions of people who actually have sick family members.... I also sometimes received emails trying to convince you of their professionalism first and second to transfer money for them from one account to another...I just "delete." -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:56:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: fake lottery email (njc) - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Do you ever get any emails such as the following? > I used to always get these sorts of emails on aol > (only have gotten one since switching to yahoo) that > were really long emails coming from a Mr. something > or another asking you to help with their sick > brother or sister or mother. I always found those > to be pretty low as there are millions of people who > actually have sick family members.... > I also sometimes received emails trying to > convince you of their professionalism first and > second to transfer money for them from one account > to another...I just "delete." > -Monika I get those all the time. If you're not getting many from yahoo yet... just wait. They seem to come in batches. Sometimes I get a duplicates or triplicates of the same one. I always mark them as spam but they still keep a-comin'. There are the sick relatives, the people who are trying to get money out of Nigeria (or some other country) who want to "share" it with you if only you will provide them with your bank details. Others that profess to be from banks that I have never dealt with and others that claim to be from Paypal. Most of them have atrocious spelling and grammar. Some of them attempt to reproduce logos of real banks. Then there are the ones for drugs, mostly cialis or viagra or some apparently "natural" version thereof. There are the ones that will make my penis bigger (I really need that!) One of the funniest subject lines I've seen about that refers to enlarging your "organ of copulation." Hee hee hee! They're annoying but sometimes good for comic relief. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: fake lottery email (njc) Catherine, have you noticed alot more spam recently? Say in the last 4 weeks or so? Mine is just going berserk lately. Have been wondering if it was just on Yahoo, or just because of *where* I go online, forums, etc. Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I get those all the time. If you're not getting many > from yahoo yet... just wait. > > They seem to come in batches. Sometimes I get a > duplicates or triplicates of the same one. I always > mark them as spam but they still keep a-comin'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:45:13 -0700 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Found on Amazon JC This has probably been discussed, but I just saw it and am sending it on. A review of The Joni Letters. I'm a professional musician. Along with Tom Scott, I started the group L.A Express in the 70's and performed on Joni Mitchell's albums, Court & Spark, Miles of Aisles, etc. This CD which won the Grammy album of the year is not worth buying. The musical wanderings of Herbie and the almost unrecognizable songs of Joni's are an exercise in musical futility. Herbie needs a tinkle-ectomy and most of the vocalists are totally underwhelming. Obviously, this was a politically motivated choice by NARAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Max Bennett, bassist and composer. Dreams are the bright creatures of poem, and legend, who sport on earth in the night season, and melt away in the first beam of the sun,which lights grim care and stern reality on their daily pilgrimage through the world.Charles Dickens _________________________________________________________________ E-mail for the greater good. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: A Joni buried treasure.... (Soundin like patti)...I met a friend of spirit recently....He drank but I doubt he womanized..lol.. He has a boyfriend.. haha Anyway he had all of these Joni cds I had never heard before..Now I am not sure where they came from but I am just happy he made me copies..Some are "bootleg" I guess and i am not sure what people's feelings are about that but I didn;t really care since my friend wasn't alive in the late 60's or 70's to do the actual bootlegging..lol..What I am trying to say is I want to share what i have with you all but i am not sure what the protocol for that is..Odds are you all probably have all this..Either I know there was something called a tape tree I don;t really know how it works but anyone interested or someone who knows the "rules" to this type of thing..please email me..If you send me a self addressed stamped envelope(like ed mcmahon lol) I'll be happy to copy and send for free.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:15:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: fake lottery email (njc) - --- Em wrote: > Catherine, have you noticed alot more spam recently? > Say in the last 4 > weeks or so? > Mine is just going berserk lately. Have been > wondering if it was just > on Yahoo, or just because of *where* I go online, > forums, etc. > Em > Yes, there's lots of it and maybe more in the last month or so, but I find it has been like that for a fair amount of time. Sometimes I will bet 20 e-mails and 15 of them are spam (not including that ones that yahoo catches, although it sometimes catches things as spam that are not spam.) I thought it might be related to activity on this site for one, but I haven't been posting a lot lately (not that that necessarily has anything to do with it.) I even get spam (but not as much) in accounts that I rarely use. The spammers could be harvesting your e-mail address from anywhere that you've posted where there is an archive (such as smoe.) But then again, I'm told, there are address-generators that just keep churning out e-mails to potential addresses, in the hope of getting a hit. Dunno, but it's frustrating. I don't understand what people get out of spamming other people. I suppose if you send out lame e-mails trying to sell useless junk, or pleading requests for money to a million people and a few bite, then maybe it's worth it to these people. While we're at it, we get so many phone calls at home from 800 numbers that I often wonder why I bother having a phone at all. Fortunately we have caller ID and sometimes you can tell by the way the phone rings that it's one of those numbers, but you still have to get up and check. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many calls I get in a month that are meant for me, from people that I actually want to talk to. And my daughter gets maybe one a day from friends. Apart from that, there must be at least five phone calls every day from people who want to sell me crap. I usually don't answer. Sometimes I pick it up then hang up right away. I think in the US you have that "don't call" registry and they've talked about doing it here, but they never actually did it. I would probably get rid of my land line altogether except that I think you need a phone line to get internet service. I've also thought of putting an outgoing message on my phone saying, "If you're calling trying to sell me something, fuggedaboudit. If it's something I might be interested in, leave me a message. If I want to get back to you, I will. Otherwise - fuggedaboudit!" I'm spending money paying for a land line that seems to be a constant source of annoyance. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:40:22 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: fake lottery email (njc) I haven't had a land line for over 2 years and don't miss it at all. Victor On May 28, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm spending money > paying for a land line that seems to be a constant > source of annoyance. > > > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:55:03 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Land Lines (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" <<< I would probably get rid of my land line altogether except that I think you need a phone line to get internet service. Hi Catherine, Only if you're using a dial-up connection for internet. When I made the leap to cable internet I got rid of my house phone. The cable cost was less than I had been paying for telephone plus dial-up service and there is no comparison regarding the connection speed. Do you have a cell phone? If you do a land-line is an expense you could do without. If you don't have a cell you might need to hang on to it or consider a family plan with phones for you and your close family members, it might still be less expensive. Warmly, Cassy Not playing anything right now, just back from dentist. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:28:27 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: NJC What if a black man ran for president and nobody remembered? Donna Binkley wrote: > Also Hillary is not the first female candidate, Geraldine Ferraro was > the first woman to run for president - at least that I know of - but I > don't think you could call her campaign really competitive. I guess > the US wasn't ready for a woman in that office at that time period. Donna, I didn't make an unqualified statement that Hillary was the first female candidate. I said "competitive", meaning she's the first woman who's had a realistic shot at actually winning it. But, she is not the first female candidate. That honor would go to Victoria Claflin Woodhull who ran as a third party candidate way back in '72. That would be 1872, before women could even vote. Numerous other women have run for president on third party tickets since then, and more than a couple have run for the nomination of one of the two major parties. Margaret Chase Smith, Republican Senator from Maine, was the first woman to run for the nomination of one of the two major parties in 1964. And as it turns out I fell prey to the media hype about Hillary's "firstness", which has been, like Obama's, slightly exagerated. I distinctly remember reading somewhere after the NH primary this year that Clinton was the first woman to win a primary. As it turns out that is false, my apologies for passing it along, and my sincerest apologies to the late Shirley Chisholm. Because, among her other firsts (first black woman elected to Congress), she is also the first woman and the first African-American to win a primary. She won three: Mississippi, Louisiana, and New Jersey. So shame on me, I should've titled my post "What if a black woman ran for president and nobody remembered". In my defense, I was very much aware of and an admirer of Mrs. Chisholm, I just didn't know she won any primaries. And two of them were among the bunch that were being discussed. Gerry Ferraro actually didn't run for president, she ran for VP with Walter Mondale at the top of the ticket in 1984. That does however give her the distinction of being the first woman to appear on a major party's ticket in a general election for president. Having said all that, both Clinton and Obama have gone further in a presidential primary race than any other woman or African-American before them. And, barring unforseens, one of them will be the first black or female presidential nominee from a major party. And I think that's exciting. Respectfully, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:17:10 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: Land Lines (njc) Well, actually not - but close! If the only alternative is ADSL or DSL these DO come in over your phone line even if they do not disrupt your telephone use. I do not know if you can have a phone line ONLY for DSL. Many of us get our Internet over TV-cable or such and do then have the alternative of getting rid of a land line telephone. Myself I have my "land line" number with vonage i.e. coming over my TV/Internet cable. About 30$ a month for all USA phone calls unlimited and 1 cent/minute for my calls to Europe. Works just fine for me the last 2 years. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Cassy Sent: den 28 maj 2008 18:55 To: Catherine McKay Cc: JMDL Subject: Land Lines (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" <<< I would probably get rid of my land line altogether except that I think you need a phone line to get internet service. Hi Catherine, Only if you're using a dial-up connection for internet. When I made the leap to cable internet I got rid of my house phone. The cable cost was less than I had been paying for telephone plus dial-up service and there is no comparison regarding the connection speed. Do you have a cell phone? If you do a land-line is an expense you could do without. If you don't have a cell you might need to hang on to it or consider a family plan with phones for you and your close family members, it might still be less expensive. Warmly, Cassy Not playing anything right now, just back from dentist. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:52:46 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #60 > Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: The First Album 40 years on, desert island top 5 records vljc > at this point, I'm afraid > > David Eoll wrote:StaS is one of my favorite albums, bar > none. Serious desert island material. > > Actually, there's a serious flaw in that whole desert island > top 5 concept. How will you play them? > SOLAR POWER! Those desert islands usually have lots of sunshine. ;-) Kenny B > ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4& ?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:44:03 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Found on Amazon JC I had not seen this-fairly recent, his review is titled: The most boring album of the year!, April 9, 2008 pretty harsh, if it's really him. > This has probably been discussed, but I just saw it and am sending it on. > A > review of The Joni Letters. > I'm a professional musician. Along with Tom Scott, I started the group L.A > Express in the 70's and performed on Joni Mitchell's albums, Court & > Spark, > Miles of Aisles, etc. This CD which won the Grammy album of the year is > not > worth buying. The musical wanderings of Herbie and the almost > unrecognizable > songs of Joni's are an exercise in musical futility. Herbie needs a > tinkle-ectomy and most of the vocalists are totally underwhelming. > Obviously, > this was a politically motivated choice by NARAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Max > Bennett, > bassist and composer. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #85 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------