From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 21 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SV: Last Joni album ["Marion Leffler" ] NJC. Happy Waisak Day [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Help Me :) with Bob, now SJC [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Last Joni album [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Last Joni album [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: SV: Last Joni album [Jerry Notaro ] JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses [Rian Afriadi ] News flash - njc indeed ["Les Irvin" ] Re: JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] For The Roses.... [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: News flash - njc indeed [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Help Me :) with Bob, now SJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Last Joni album [Em ] Re: Last Joni album [Victor Johnson ] What if the Dems had winner-take-all primaries? - NJC ["Steve Petrica" ] Last Joni, favorite Joni, most popular Joni [merk54@aol.com] Re: LyricDiscussion For The Roses and now the horses sjc [Jeannie Subject: SV: Last Joni album Whenever I listen to Joni I do listen all the way through (with the exception of LOTC. I skip BYT on that one). The last album I listened to was C&S, incidentally just before the discussion of it started on the list. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 20 maj 2008 04:34 Till: Joni people! Dmne: Last Joni album Just curious, which Joni album did you last listen to all the way through? I grabbed DJRD today with me for my drive to and from work. That gets me through a cd. -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 04:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: NJC. Happy Waisak Day For Buddhists everywhere, Happy Waisak Day. (In INA we call it Waisak, in Thailand they call it Visakha, i dunno how you call it) Rian Enjoying this public holiday ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 04:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Help Me :) with Bob, now SJC I am not a Bob Dylan expert, but here are my favorites : 1. Like A Rolling Stone from Highway 61 Revisited (1965) This song is perfect. And FYI, Rolling Stones Magazine placed this song #1 on its 500 Greatest Songs list. (anyway, 3 Joni songs are on the list too : Help Me, BSN, and Free Man In Paris) Highway 61 is one of few albums that I love all tracks on it. And this album is also placed at #4 on RS's 500 Greatest album of all time. So, you shouldn't miss this album. 2. Just Like A Woman, from Blonde on Blonde (1966) She takes just like a woman, She makes love just like a woman, She aches just like a woman, But she breaks just like a little girl. Oooo i love the song. FYI : The song is mentioned on Annie Hall. Blond on Blonde is probably one of my favorite album ever. 3. Dirt Road Blues, from Time Out Of Mind This album won Grammy's Album Of The Year (and the album deserves) As for his early works, I'm not a fan of his pre-Highway Road albums, for reason unknown. Perhaps because I don't like the singing style (in fact, i really hate The Times They Are A Changing) (but I love COrrina Corrina, which I think better than Joni's version) Well, that's my 2 cent. Rian NP. Petula Clark - Downtown (i loooove this song) (P.S: Monika, surely you know how I encountered this oldies song) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 04:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Last Joni album Phewww.... "Last Joni Album"... i thought you're telling us that Joni's finished making her new album. (Is it supposed to be her last?) All the way through? Last Monday in the office: Court and Spark, Taming The Tiger Turbulent Indigo, and Clouds Rian NP. Smashing Pumpkins -1979 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:47:18 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Last Joni album It would have been Shine, shortly after I got it. I listen to a lot of Joni, but rarely an album all the way through, more often in a shuffle. The Joni album I am most likely to play all the way through: C&S. Bob NP: Dusty Springfield, "The Look Of Love" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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The last album I listened to was > C&S, incidentally just before the discussion of it started on the list. > Marion > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika > Bogdanowicz > Skickat: den 20 maj 2008 04:34 > Till: Joni people! > Dmne: Last Joni album > > Just curious, which Joni album did you last listen to all the way through? > I grabbed DJRD today with me for my drive to and from work. That gets me > through a cd. > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 04:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses Gotta make a confession : I don't know what "For The Roses: is. Any idea? I have my guess too, but i'm not pretty sure if it's right. My guess comes like this: A few year ago, I watched Britney sang on an international music award (i forgot what). There she sang "I'm Not A Girl Not Yet A Woman" beautifully. She was still sober at that time (....and Randy, I bet that time she wore underwear). Then, the guests, honorable guests (they wore tuxedos and gowns) threw her with roses. So. Pop! For The Roses. For the respect of the audiences. Am I correct? Rian Who is celebrating 10 years of the end of Soeharto regime. (He stepped down tomorrow ten years ago) PS. I love democracy. So democrazy with democracy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:29:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses For the Roses is what those :"running the race" of life strive to win. Roses are a symbol of success in love, life, and contention. But the prize is often fleeting, the beauty and the scent of the most intoxicating rose. Happy day off, Rian. Ours here in the U.S. Is next Monday. Jerry > Gotta make a confession : > I don't know what "For The Roses: is. > Any idea? > I have my guess too, but i'm not pretty sure if it's right. > My guess comes like this: > A few year ago, I watched Britney sang on an international music award (i > forgot what). There she sang "I'm Not A Girl Not Yet A Woman" beautifully. She > was still sober at that time (....and Randy, I bet that time she wore > underwear). Then, the guests, honorable guests (they wore tuxedos and gowns) > threw her with roses. So. Pop! For The Roses. For the respect of the > audiences. > Am I correct? > Rian > Who is celebrating 10 years of the end of Soeharto regime. (He stepped down > tomorrow ten years ago) > PS. I love democracy. So democrazy with democracy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:26:18 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Last Joni album Shine as well, but as Marion does with LOTC, I confess to skipping the revised version of BYT. On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 7:47 AM, wrote: > through?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:45:30 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: News flash - njc indeed Rick left no email to respond to. Wonder why? - -----Original Message----- you have listed joni mitchell as the author of circle game.. the real author was my friend Brian Michael Barkey... just thought id pass that on... it isnt known by many Name: rick lake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:01:06 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses And even more specifically, it describes a horse race (reference Joni's artwork for the album) where the winner gets trotted around the track with a ring of roses in a wreath around their neck. http://jonimitchell.com/painter/view.cfm?id=105&recs=4 In some of Joni's onstage comments about the song, she added that very often the horse (the performer) was then taken to the glue factory or put to pasture, equating the way that the music business treated their performers as well. Bob NP: Ani, "Pixie" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 07:01:24 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: For The Roses.... I have always looked at that title as an answer to a question.. The question being..Why do you do it..and She replies... For the Roses...Now I am sure Joni didn't bare her soul or bust her ass on tour just for some flowers ..However If you want to use "roses" as a metaphor for accolades/success ..That is more like it..I am all for the purity of art...The non commercial organic art..But I am sorry a genius like Joni deserves to get paid for what she does..She deserves for people to pay to come see her sing her songs(although when joni last toured ticket prices were at least reasonable)..That is why she does it..Well first and foremost because she wants to do it but also because people, many many people want her to! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:29:28 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: News flash - njc indeed Methinks his Barkey is worse than his bite. Bob, the real author of BSN, now send me those royalty checks willya? 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:02:14 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: JoniMitchellLyricDiscussion : For The Roses On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM, wrote: > > In some of Joni's onstage comments about the song, she added that very > often the horse (the performer) was then taken to the glue factory or put > to pasture, equating the way that the music business treated their > performers as well. Glue factory? Ugh...I can hardly eat Jello any longer after learning about "keratin" but glue...I guess they have a use for everything...I know in Mexico "Tacos de Seso" (brains) y de Lingua (tongue) y de Cabeza (head) are among their favorites. They use every part of the vacas (cows)...I imagine they do as well here it probably just gets diverted into Meow Mix or Alpo. And all this from a discussion of roses! Mark in Florida NP: We - Joy Williams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:25:58 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: new to group, njc "T Peckham" northern.muse@gmail.com wrote: >Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my>sweet ass. I like this energy glad to know yours is sweet. anyone else? _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Help Me :) with Bob, now SJC Mhm. That comes from a very great film. Loved it when I first saw it and still love it today. Entertaining while at the same it gives you a fascinating insight into Psychology! As for Mr. Dylan, I would say my absolute favorite songs are Subterreanean Homesick Blues, Hurricane, Leaopard-skin pill-box hat, and Masters of War. I remember doing a paper (which had to be on a song that dealt with war) on Masters of War. It must have 8th or maybe 9th grade. -Monika Rian Afriadi wrote: Rian NP. Petula Clark - Downtown (i loooove this song) (P.S: Monika, surely you know how I encountered this oldies song) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:38:52 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: Last Joni album From: Monika Bogdanowicz Just curious, which Joni album did you last listen to all the way through? I grabbed DJRD today with me for my drive to and from work. That gets me through a cd.-Monika Same here Monika.. I listened to DJRD while beginning the painting job of my kitchen on Sunday. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Last Joni album I listened to the whole DJRD one time when I fell down and couldn't get up... :P Em PS and it was pretty good! - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > From: Monika Bogdanowicz Just curious, which > Joni album > did you last listen to all the way through? I grabbed DJRD today with > me for > my drive to and from work. That gets me through a cd.-Monika > > > > Same here Monika.. > I listened to DJRD while beginning the painting job of my kitchen on > Sunday. > > Marianne > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the im Initiative from > Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ > GoodCause ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:26:47 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Last Joni album I listened to the whole CSNY Deja Vu one time when I fell up and couldn't get down. Victor PS The last Joni album I listened to was Shine. Usually when I put it on I'll listen to the whole thing. On May 20, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Em wrote: > I listened to the whole DJRD one time when I fell down and couldn't > get > up... > :P > Em > PS and it was pretty good! > > --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:42:42 -0400 From: "Steve Petrica" Subject: What if the Dems had winner-take-all primaries? - NJC Wondering about that question, I looked up the vote tallies and number of delegates per state. If the Dems had winner-take-all-primaries, and if the "super delegates" voted the way the primary or caucus voters did, as of this minute: Hillary would have won 2430 delegates by victories in 20 jurisdictions, averaging 121.5 delegates each. Obama would have won 1728 delegates by victories in 31 jurisdictions, averaging 55.7 delegates each. In other words, Hillary would have a commanding 700 delegate lead over Obama, having won fewer but substantially larger jurisdictions. And since the candidate needs 2025 votes to lock up the nomination, Hillary would already be the presumptive.nominee. Even if we entirely exclude her controversial victories in Michigan and Florida, she would still have 2062 votes -- enough to sew up the nomination. And need I add that "winner-take-all" is how the electoral college votes? Heck, I don't even *like* her, and I don't blame her fighting on! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Last Joni album now NJC LMAO! I listened to "Bless Its Pointed Little Head" like that wayyyyy back when.... - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > I listened to the whole CSNY Deja Vu one time when I fell up and > couldn't get down. > > Victor > > PS The last Joni album I listened to was Shine. Usually when I put > it > on I'll listen to the whole thing. > > > > > On May 20, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Em wrote: > > > I listened to the whole DJRD one time when I fell down and couldn't > > > get > > up... > > :P > > Em > > PS and it was pretty good! > > > > --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:55:18 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Last Joni, favorite Joni, most popular Joni The last Joni album I listened to was Shine.? I just bought some new speakers for my home system and decided to play Shine as the first album on them.? Very unusual for me - normally when I have something new to christen (new stereo equipment, new car, etc.) I always play Hejira first. This lead me to an interesting thought.? When asked what my favorite Joni album is, I always answer Hejira.? However, if you asked me what album I listened to the most, I would say DJRD.? And really, since it's release, I've been listening primarily to Shine (which sounds amazing on my new speakers by the way!). This might all be semantics, but can I really call Hejira my favorite, if it's not the album I listen to the most?? It's certainly the one I admire the most, and it touches me in ways that no other album has, but it's no longer?the one I reach for first when looking for some Joni to play.? Just wondering if other people have a "favorite" Joni that isn't their most?played Joni. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: LyricDiscussion For The Roses and now the horses sjc I don't want to seem rude to switch the lyric discussion over to a tragedy done to the horses whose life is of no longer any use to man. Hundreds of thousands of horses are cruelly and inhumanely transported to Mexico only to be brutally murdered for human consumption. Here in Antonio, our newspaper did a headline story about the horse's heart-wrenching plight and it caused an outcry. I couldn't even see two seconds of a tv news clipping showing the method of murder with machete like knives driven through their spines and backs. And whenever I've looked into the eyes of any horse I meet I see loyalty and love and the absolute beauty of creation. Truly, Jeannie PS: Check a blood-dimmed story out about this disaster being done on a daily basis to my friends by going to the rickieleejones.com site and scroll down to the lower third of the page and there you'll find the link. And right now I'm going outside to smell some of the red roses my son, grandmother and myself planted right before she got a brain tumor and died soon after that. And soon right after that to help heal our pain my son, sister, mom and I went by train and plane to Vancouver to go hear Joni sing, along with Van the Man and another sweet mean ol' daddy, Bob Dylan and we could smell the roses once we sat in the garden on the grass as the sun set over the Puget Sound so serene. Gifts from God of love for us through nature. PSII: My prayers go out to Sen. Edward Kennedy. May he fight this battle just the way the Kennedy's always have fought with their amazing Irish courage. Mark Angelo wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM, wrote: > > In some of Joni's onstage comments about the song, she added that very > often the horse (the performer) was then taken to the glue factory or put > to pasture, equating the way that the music business treated their > performers as well. Glue factory? Ugh...I can hardly eat Jello any longer after learning about "keratin" but glue...I guess they have a use for everything...I know in Mexico "Tacos de Seso" (brains) y de Lingua (tongue) y de Cabeza (head) are among their favorites. They use every part of the vacas (cows)...I imagine they do as well here it probably just gets diverted into Meow Mix or Alpo. And all this from a discussion of roses! Mark in Florida NP: We - Joy Williams ~nj~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Fwd: Re: LyricDiscussion For The Roses and now the horses sjc Sorry, I forgot to add a few more words describing a rose's beauty. I added them at the end of the sentence and that's part of my NJC, as usual! Jeannie Jeannie wrote: And whenever I've looked into the eyes of any horse I meet I see loyalty and love and the absolute beauty of creation like that of the roses when I touch, smell and watch them see them do the swing with the wind. Truly, Jeannie PSII: My prayers go out to Sen. Edward Kennedy. May he fight this battle just the way the Kennedy's always have fought with their amazing Irish courage. Sending Sen. Ed a bouquet of beautiful roses through a wind of prayers for him. Mark Angelo wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM, wrote: > > In some of Joni's onstage comments about the song, she added that very > often the horse (the performer) was then taken to the glue factory or put > to pasture, equating the way that the music business treated their > performers as well. Glue factory? Ugh...I can hardly eat Jello any longer after learning about "keratin" but glue...I guess they have a use for everything...I know in Mexico "Tacos de Seso" (brains) y de Lingua (tongue) y de Cabeza (head) are among their favorites. They use every part of the vacas (cows)...I imagine they do as well here it probably just gets diverted into Meow Mix or Alpo. And all this from a discussion of roses! Mark in Florida NP: We - Joy Williams ~nj~ ~nj~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 17:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: LyricDiscussion For The Roses and now the horses sjc Sorry for the little confusion. Corrected line with JC and not NJC below. Jeannie Jeannie wrote: I added them at the end of the sentence and that's part of my JC, in the SJC from the subject's title. See how Joni lines comes in most of my lines from time to time? Jeannie Jeannie wrote: And whenever I've looked into the eyes of any horse I meet I see loyalty and love and the absolute beauty of creation like that of the roses when I touch, smell and watch them see them do the swing with the wind. Truly, Jeannie PSII: My prayers go out to Sen. Edward Kennedy. May he fight this battle just the way the Kennedy's always have fought with their amazing Irish courage. Sending Sen. Ed a bouquet of beautiful roses through a wind of prayers for him. Mark Angelo wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:01 AM, wrote: > > In some of Joni's onstage comments about the song, she added that very > often the horse (the performer) was then taken to the glue factory or put > to pasture, equating the way that the music business treated their > performers as well. Glue factory? Ugh...I can hardly eat Jello any longer after learning about "keratin" but glue...I guess they have a use for everything...I know in Mexico "Tacos de Seso" (brains) y de Lingua (tongue) y de Cabeza (head) are among their favorites. They use every part of the vacas (cows)...I imagine they do as well here it probably just gets diverted into Meow Mix or Alpo. And all this from a discussion of roses! Mark in Florida NP: We - Joy Williams ~nj~ ~nj~ ~nj~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: What if the Dems had winner-take-all primaries? - NJC Ah yes. I had thought at the beginning of the race, that the Dems should have done like the Republicans and chosen the "winner take all." It is too late now. I don't blame Hillary Clinton for wanting to stay in it until everyone votes. What is wrong with that? Apparently alot accoding to the media...The states that have voted late or haven't voted yet are excited they even get a chance to vote in a Primary...but according to the media Hillary needs to get the f*** out...because you know, pissing off millions of voters who support Hillary Clinton is clearly the path to unity in the Democratic Primary... -Monika Steve Petrica wrote: Wondering about that question, I looked up the vote tallies and number of delegates per state. If the Dems had winner-take-all-primaries, and if the "super delegates" voted the way the primary or caucus voters did, as of this minute: Hillary would have won 2430 delegates by victories in 20 jurisdictions, averaging 121.5 delegates each. Obama would have won 1728 delegates by victories in 31 jurisdictions, averaging 55.7 delegates each. In other words, Hillary would have a commanding 700 delegate lead over Obama, having won fewer but substantially larger jurisdictions. And since the candidate needs 2025 votes to lock up the nomination, Hillary would already be the presumptive.nominee. Even if we entirely exclude her controversial victories in Michigan and Florida, she would still have 2062 votes -- enough to sew up the nomination. And need I add that "winner-take-all" is how the electoral college votes? Heck, I don't even *like* her, and I don't blame her fighting on! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:46:36 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: What if the Dems had winner-take-all primaries? - NJC What if Joni were a 12 foot zombie giant? What if I won the lottery every week? What if Eminem were Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? What if pigs really could fly? If... if... if... is not not only a sucky song by Bread, but detached from reality. The Democrats - and I saw "we" because I have long been an elected party officer - gopt rid og winner take all after 1972 because it was wrong. This year's results - Obama has won the popular vote (and I exclude Florida and Michigan because of the violations there, and I know what happened in my Michigan very well) - but you'd given the loser of the popular votes more delegates? Why? Does anyone rationally believe - key word here is "rational" - that if Hillary were the nominee she's carry Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, etc? No rational person believes that. Does anyone doubt that Obama will carry California and New York and Massachusetts? Does anyone get excited that Obama puts states like Virginia in play and gives us Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Minnesota, states we need? For those who do not read Michigan newspapers, Hillary Clinton lied and said she'd take her name off the Michigan ballot. She did not. Her campaign manager, my friend former Gov. Jim Blanchard, said it was not about keeping her word, it was about winning. Moral, huh? Then she said Michgan would not count. Then her people in Michigan campaigned and she got only 55% of the vote running against no one. Not much to brag on there. Michigan could have been resolved but the Clinton folks refused - because Obama would carry Michigan. Now she wants her lies to make Michigan count. This is a state that she dares not come to, while Obama and Edwards draw the biggest crowds in Michigan history - actually Obama alone did because we didn't not know Edwards was coming. What if GI Hillary and her Mod Squad of Chelsea, Sinbad, and Sheryl Crow had beaten the snipers in a blaze of gunfire? What if those who want Republican rules stayed in their own party and let Democrats be the party of the people without all the opposition? What if... if... As they say in Rocky Horror... what if.. but you didn't... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Re: Last Joni, favorite Joni, most popular Joni Herjira is like a $3,000 suit or that fierce cocktail dress(trying to be gender friendly for all the list..lol)... or the "good china"..You love it..It makes you feel amazing.. but if you can't wear it everyday... Nothing wrong with that..It can be your favorite and your least listened too..Now I am off to listen to hejira! :) merk54@aol.com wrote: The last Joni album I listened to was Shine.? I just bought some new speakers for my home system and decided to play Shine as the first album on them.? Very unusual for me - normally when I have something new to christen (new stereo equipment, new car, etc.) I always play Hejira first. This lead me to an interesting thought.? When asked what my favorite Joni album is, I always answer Hejira.? However, if you asked me what album I listened to the most, I would say DJRD.? And really, since it's release, I've been listening primarily to Shine (which sounds amazing on my new speakers by the way!). This might all be semantics, but can I really call Hejira my favorite, if it's not the album I listen to the most?? It's certainly the one I admire the most, and it touches me in ways that no other album has, but it's no longer?the one I reach for first when looking for some Joni to play.? Just wondering if other people have a "favorite" Joni that isn't their most?played Joni. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 04:53:21 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Both Sides Now -- Ned and Ted WARNING: Political content Tearful at the falling of a political star today (still I send up my prayers for Uncle Ted!), I was cheered to hear from Ned Lamont once again. I had forgotten how uplifting and hopeful his emails were, always signing off with "Rock the boat". Well something's lost, but something's gained In living every day The gift (of hope) goes on. Dear Patti, Our 2006 campaign was part of something bigger - an uprising against the war in Iraq and against the status quo culture in Washington, D.C. David Sirota, who helped us out so much during our campaign, has written a new book about that nationwide movement called The Uprising: An Unauthorized Tour of the Populist Revolt Scaring Wall Street and Washington. The book includes an examination of what we did in Connecticut, noting that our campaign "didn't just prove that antiwar primaries help build an uprising to stop the war; it proved that both challenges from the uprising and opposition to the Iraq War benefit the Democratic Party's electoral prospects."........... After working for my campaign, David was hired by Creators Syndicate to write a national newspaper column to replace Molly Ivins after she passed away. Molly herself called him "a new-generation populist who instinctively understands that the only real questions are 'Who's getting screwed' and 'Who's doing the screwing?'" I'm proud to call him my friend and my ally. I hope to see you on May 28th at 7:00pm at R.J. Julia. I think you'll find The Uprising to be essential reading to understand how politics is changing - and how all of our work is starting to pay off. Rock the boat, Ned *** Well, goodnight, you moonlight ladies (and gentlemen). Full moon tonight! Love, Patti P. NPIMH: Is it possible to learn How to care and yet not care Since love has two faces Hope and despair And pleasure always turns to fear I find At least the moon at the window The thieves left that behind At least they left the moon Behind the blind Moon at the window _________________________________________________________________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:52:54 -0700 From: E vonAlmassy Subject: An "Interview" about Matala Life, Crete, 1970 Hi There ~ Perhaps someone might be interested in this tale. I lived on Crete for eight months; Joni Mitchell was there for a short while. Thanks, Evelyn from Canada [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Final Edited Matala Interview.doc] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 01:51:49 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: What if the Dems had winner-take-all primaries? - NJC Some good points Vince but conversely, does anybody believe Obama will win North Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah? The assertion that Obama will win the swing states in Midwest is unproven. I for one am undecided but could consider voting for McCain -- you can't achieve change by being the most liberal of all the democratic candidates --- 50% of this country is either moderate or Republican. Bill and Hilliary made the mistake after 92 and thought they had a mandate to enact liberal policies and as a result we got Newt and his majority 2 years later. Obama and his backers are, in my humble opinion, in danger of making the same mistake. Long live moderates! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Lavieri" To: "Monika Bogdanowicz" Cc: "Joni people!" ; "Steve Petrica" Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:46 PM Subject: Re: What if the Dems had winner-take-all primaries? - NJC > What if Joni were a 12 foot zombie giant? > > What if I won the lottery every week? > > What if Eminem were Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? > > What if pigs really could fly? > > If... if... if... is not not only a sucky song by Bread, but detached from > reality. > > The Democrats - and I saw "we" because I have long been an elected party > officer - gopt rid og winner take all after 1972 because it was wrong. > > This year's results - Obama has won the popular vote (and I exclude > Florida > and Michigan because of the violations there, and I know what happened in > my Michigan very well) - but you'd given the loser of the popular votes > more > delegates? Why? Does anyone rationally believe - key word here is > "rational" - that if Hillary were the nominee she's carry Texas, Oklahoma, > Kentucky, etc? No rational person believes that. > > Does anyone doubt that Obama will carry California and New York and > Massachusetts? Does anyone get excited that Obama puts states like > Virginia > in play and gives us Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Minnesota, states we need? > > For those who do not read Michigan newspapers, Hillary Clinton lied and > said > she'd take her name off the Michigan ballot. She did not. Her campaign > manager, my friend former Gov. Jim Blanchard, said it was not about > keeping > her word, it was about winning. Moral, huh? Then she said Michgan would > not count. Then her people in Michigan campaigned and she got only 55% of > the vote running against no one. Not much to brag on there. Michigan > could > have been resolved but the Clinton folks refused - because Obama would > carry > Michigan. Now she wants her lies to make Michigan count. This is a > state > that she dares not come to, while Obama and Edwards draw the biggest > crowds > in Michigan history - actually Obama alone did because we didn't not know > Edwards was coming. > > What if GI Hillary and her Mod Squad of Chelsea, Sinbad, and Sheryl Crow > had > beaten the snipers in a blaze of gunfire? > > What if those who want Republican rules stayed in their own party and let > Democrats be the party of the people without all the opposition? > > What if... > > if... > > As they say in Rocky Horror... what if.. but you didn't... > > Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #73 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------