From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #71 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, May 19 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 071 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni & Johnny [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: New to the group [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: njc David Byrne on Robert Rauschenberg [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: Joni & Johnny now Chuck [Laura Stanley ] fiddle and the drum ballet at the banff centre for the arts [Mags ] Joni playing Marcie [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Judy and Jonatha NJC ["Phyliss Ward" ] Happy Graduation Nate (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Check out this page on NOLA.com (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Carly Simon/"Girls Like Us"/guys like them ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Many Things and Thoughts ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: It's Joni time! ["Mark Angelo" ] Joni and Henry in h magazine [] NJC Help Me :) with Bob [KEVIN DOHENY ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:15:22 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni & Johnny I haven't seen any footage of Joni with Chuck either but there are radio interviews/performances of them and I do have some photos of the two of them together (some performing). Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:13:28 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: New to the group Thanks so much, Paul for those recollections. Both, of Joni and of your experiences on Crete. I was trying to imagine the whole atmosphere. It sounds wonderful. Back to basics living. I'll have to get to Crete one of these days and check out those caves. Shame about the ATMs and such. It must have been wonderful going to sleep to the sound of the Mediterranean. Mark in frigid Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:55:18 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: njc David Byrne on Robert Rauschenberg Hi Em, Rauschenberg lived on Captiva Isand, which is just off the coast from Ft. Myers. Jimmy In a message dated 5/17/2008 7:57:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emzdogz@yahoo.com writes: > hi Jimmy, where did RR live? in Tampa? or? I noticed the news article > of his death was "datelined" Tampa. > ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: Joni & Johnny now Chuck Kevin wrote: To my knowledge there is no video of Joni singing with Chuck Mitchell but watching her sing Girl from the north country with johnny cash on you tube, gave me a glimpse of what that may have looked like..Although something tells me the way she looks at Johnny is a liitle different than the way she looked at chuck..lol. We are so lucky to have such easy access to these jewels..Joni on video is rare as it is but to have her with johnny is just priceless to me. Hi Kev, There isn't a youtube video of Joni and Chuck, but I've seen a video of them somewhere... maybe at a jonifest? I like Chuck today. I don't know what he was like back in the time with Joni, and I really don't care since it is the past. I never ask him about Joni and don't know if they are friends on some level today. I really like Chuck's music and so do my kids and husband. My husband heard Chuck's album Dreams and Stories and asked, why haven't I heard this before?... he's very good. He is better than most and as good as the best in my opinion. His songs are filled with curiosities in both lyrics and sound. His voice is incredible. I can see why Joni liked/loved him. The videos of Joni and Johnny Cash are fun to watch. You are right that way she looks at Johnny in the videos is different from the way she looked at Chuck. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: fiddle and the drum ballet at the banff centre for the arts thought y'all might be interested in this bit of joni news. http://www.banffcentre.ca/bsaf/2008/dance/ - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:22:48 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Carly Simon/"Girls Like Us"/guys like them - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Angelo" > I'm not a Joni expert by any means but I found this from a 1998 > review in > the JMDL Library: > > "Mitchell said in a recent interview the tentatively tender "Stay in > Touch" > is about getting to know her now grown daughter, Kilauren". This point seems a little ambiguous from some of the other things Joni said around the time of the release of TTT: From an interview with Chris Douridas about the making of TTT March 27, 1998: CD: Yeah, because I was thinking that it would be easy for somebody to be looking for songs in this project that might be influenced by your finding your daughter, for example. JM: I haven't had time to digest that. You know, I mean Kilauren and Marlin, my grandson, you know, came in the midst of making this project. You know, I'd work a few weeks and then we'd take off a few weeks, and we'd do things. And then I'd work a bit more and then we would rendezvous again and I'd take off some more time. And that time was all, you know, so joyous and so experiential. Writing takes withdrawal and introspection, and I just haven't had time. You know, between the commitments that I had prior to their arrival and the time actively spent with them, you know, when they're with me, I haven't had any contemplative time. From an interview with Jody Denberg, September 9, 1998: Q Finally, Joni, there's a poignant song on your new album, it's called "Stay In Touch." Last year, you reunited with your daughter, who you gave up for adoption after she was born. I don't want to assume that this was written about your daughter, but I can ask you if it was. A When the kids came, Kilauren's boyfriend heard the song and said, "Kilauren, this is about you." And it is. It's about the beginnings of love, conducting yourself through it wisely. I don't think there's another song like it in existence. How foolish we all are when we're smitten. It applies. *It wasn't the catalyst for it.* Kilauren came in the middle of the project, you know. And one of the reasons why there was a delay in finishing it was because, you know, well, we just had to spend a lot of time with each other. So we'd spend three weeks and then I'd go back in the studio and then I'd go up there and we'd spend some more time and then I'd go back in the studio. And it definitely applies. But it applies to any new, terrific attraction. You know, it's basically how to steer yourself through that smitten period. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:48:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: It's Joni time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AATdTSUfjk A beautiful performance of Little Green -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 10:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni playing Marcie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MRl3eLBvOs Right on. -M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:27:14 -0400 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: Judy and Jonatha NJC I was just perusing Jonatha Brooke's site and caught this upcoming awesome lineup for you folks in the North West! It also looks like she will have a new album in August! Chambers Creek Central Meadow Tacoma, WA, 08/09/2008, 7:30 PM Jonatha will be opening for Judy Collins at the Chambers Creek Central Meadow, a new venue that is adjacent to the Chambers Creek Golf Course. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:51:31 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Graduation Nate (NJC) Bob Please give Nate our congrats on his graduation. We went to Mikey's Graduation Mass this morning and had a family lunch. His big day is a week from Tuesday. He has ben accepted into Loyola University with a merit scholarship (you see I told you those twice a day beatings would help) in Music Business Studies (oh help us all!). I know you are proud as I am. It really is pretty amazing. I never thought I would make it past 30 much less have kids graduating from high school and following in daddies footsteps. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:48:25 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Check out this page on NOLA.com (NJC) We had a screening of the documentary that I worked on last year and it was reviewed here. Thought some of you might be interested. Happy Weekend Everyone Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com http://nola.live.advance.net/picayunes/t-p/nopicayunes/index.ssf?/base/news-6/121082968440410.xml&coll=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 14:59:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Many Things and Thoughts Hi Everyone! I just read the Digest V2008#70. I want to respond to some fascinating postings....but first, thanks to so many people who sent me e-mails wishing a speedy recovery for my sister. She's out of the hospital, on new meds (that really seem to work so much better) however, Barb needs almost constant care. This seems to be my metier...great new word I tumbled across....pronounced meh-TYAY, it means your specialty...work or an activity that you are especially suited to do. It is a French word that comes from the Latin "ministerium" ("ministry"). Seems as though care-giving is my metier...since very early in childhood. No complaint here but I long to be talented in something creative...well, I danced for years....think I can probably sing a little and once painted...and I enjoy writing but I've noticed such a wild change in my writing since the year 2000....a totally life-changing (for the negative) time in my life. I think Joni deals with her depressions, perceptions of people and events in life, through several modalities of creative expression...all extraordinary. She works things out...to completion....and as her albums progressed, she learns soooo much from personal experiences as well as experiences of friends and life in general. Mark (Angelo)...I was mesmerized reading your post. I had never thought that "Help Me" may have...or does have as a predominant theme.... "madness or the nervous preoccupation that you might be tending towards some form of madness or regressing psychologically". My thoughts on "Help Me" were so shallow....I heard the aliveness in the melody and the hope in Joni's voice that triggered my hope that she was falling in love with someone wonderful. I agree so much that Joni has given us her continuing analysis of love...and many other emotions. Joni has the profound ability to translate her reactions to people and events in concrete (of course in abstract ways too) ways....she can see, feel, touch, and hear the results of her creative analysis. I feel this allows her to end a chapter in her life and continue on. I haven't read "Girls Like Us" ...yet...but my initial reaction was that Joni commands a "Girl Like Me" and can't be included with anyone else. Switching gears...Victor, I am so deeply sorry to learn of the death of your friend. Of course this would take a "huge emotional toll"...why are you offering an apology for coming across in a negative way? Switching gears once again....there are many new additions to our ever expanding family and I want to offer a warm welcome!!! Oh...almost forgot...I saw a wonderfully thought-provoking movie last night (Netflix) "Stranger Than Fiction"...the subject matter was unique and the acting was absolutely top rate...way beyond top rate. Hopefully everyone enjoyed a safe and enriching/relaxing weekend. With this posting comes my respect for you and lots of love, Bo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:18:52 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Carly Simon/"Girls Like Us"/guys like them Mark, yes I agree in light of the quotes you have found and quoted there does indeed seem to be some ambiguity in Joni's own words as to who was the initial source that actually inspired the creative spark that would become "Stay in Touch". It is nonetheless such a beautiful song - one of my favorites - written from a cautiously worded perspective of sagacity and probably unique in that sense, as even Joni goes on to state. In other news, I looked at the price tag of a deeply discounted polo shirt last night - a bargain on my meager budget - that I bought recently on a rare trip to the Shopping Mall Regime. The label described the color as "Seattle Gray" - I prefer the spelling Grey for some reason. Anyway I started wondering if they have any remaining that come in "Exxon Blue" or "Radiation Rose..."Baghdad or Babylon Beige - or Black if truth be told - probably aren't good candidates for being "fanned to fiery needs in Ad Empires" alas. Mark in Florida. NP: Horses - RLJ (I love this song btw!) On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Mark Scott wrote: > > > From an interview with Jody Denberg, September 9, 1998: > > Q Finally, Joni, there's a poignant song on your new album, it's called > "Stay In Touch." Last year, you reunited with your daughter, who you gave up > for adoption after she was born. I don't want to assume that this was > written about your daughter, but I can ask you if it was. > > A When the kids came, Kilauren's boyfriend heard the song and said, > "Kilauren, this is about you." And it is. It's about the beginnings of love, > conducting yourself through it wisely. I don't think there's another song > like it in existence. How foolish we all are when we're smitten. It applies. > *It wasn't the catalyst for it.* Kilauren came in the middle of the project, > you know. And one of the reasons why there was a delay in finishing it was > because, you know, well, we just had to spend a lot of time with each other. > So we'd spend three weeks and then I'd go back in the studio and then I'd go > up there and we'd spend some more time and then I'd go back in the studio. > And it definitely applies. But it applies to any new, terrific attraction. > You know, it's basically how to steer yourself through that smitten period. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:48:08 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc Ted Kennedy rushed to hospital Vince wrote: Whatever we think of the man, he has been a major player in American life. This year is the 40th anniversary of the murder of one brother and 45th of the other brother. I request prayers. **** Sent them up! I was scared when I first heard this (we need his anti-war voice!), but he seems to be doing okay now after suffering two seizures, just waiting for test results. He had seafood take-out dinner with family last night while watching the Red Sox. One reporter said there is a 50% chance they won't find out anything. I saw Ted and Caroline ("Sweet Caroline"....I heard that Neil Diamond wrote this song for her?) at the Obama rally and it was a thrill. My mother, although a lifelong Republican (imagine our conversations!), adored Caroline and Jackie. And Jack, too. I remember her waking me up when I was six-times-round-the-seasons to tell me he had won. She was so excited! I wished I could have talked to her about seeing Caroline and Ted. I know he did a horrible thing many dim years ago, but putting that aside, I have to admire and respect his public service, and his outspokenness for a wide world of noble causes. First and foremost for me is his vote on H.J. Res. 114 on October 11, 2002: "A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq". He was one of 23 senators to vote "Nay". He has called that the best vote he ever cast, and the one he is most proud of. Speaking of the 40th anniversary of Bobby's assassination (and "the assassination of our future"), I just read about a new book that sounds fascinating, esp. for those who lived through that horrible time. "The Last Campaign: Robert F. Kennedy and 82 Days That Inspired America" by historian Thurston Clarke. (So many books, so little time!) 1968 is not unlike 2008 in many ways. I don't usually buy magazines, but I just picked up Time's 40th anniversary special: "1968". It is chock full of stories and great photos of that turbulent year: the Beatles and Jimi and other musicians, MLKJr. ("A Dreamer Dies"), riots afterward ("Funeral Pyre"), RFK ("A Symbol of Hope, Taken in His Prime") ("Didn't you love the things they stood for? Didn't they try to find some good for you and me?"), Laugh-In, Carlos Castaneda, Norman Mailer, etc. One little piece is titled: "Back to the garden." Borrowing Joni? That one is about the Whole Earth Catalog -- remember that, all you aging children? While sending up my prayers, I include some for those thousands of poor people and children (!!) in Myanmar/Burma being denied relief aid by the horrible inhumans running that country. And the Chinese earthquake victims. If I had a heart.... Sorry to be heavy company! Love, Patti P. JFPOMTV: Cleveland Cavaliers 92, Boston Celtics 97. I watch the NBA only when there is a personal connection, and this one is former UConn Husky heart-throb Ray Allen. And yikes! That Lebron James sure has a lot of songs on his arms! ; ) _________________________________________________________________ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:01:49 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Joni Man from Mars used in the Bride just saw a documentary on IFC called the Bridge about people who jump off the Golden Gate Bridge 4 songs used, one of them obviously Man from Mars mention this just in case someone is still keeping a list of Joni in culture Vince they also used Howie Day's End of our Days which I just love ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:40:06 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Many Things and Thoughts Hi Bo, Thank you for your kind words regarding my post! Sometimes when I am in my less introspective moments (aka self-absorbed) and the topic of a Joni song or album comes up, I tend to have quite a bit to say I suppose as I've followed her work all these years with no input from books, perhaps an occasional article I might stumble across before the intertubes have now graced us with information at our fingertips and simultaneously frustrated us with information overload. I sometimes feel as if I'm rambling when I'm worry if I'm over analyzing things "...and then absurdity came over me" - to touch on the C&S irrationality theme once again, as I inevitably find myself trying to integrate a particular song or album with the perspective of previous or subsequent work, or veer into the man vs. nature war that I find so alarming. As you observed, I think her musical expression of these emotions or most recently observations, is cathartic to her and allows her to focus, work through, and move beyond that reality for her at that particular point in time, which we then as avid listeners can identify with when we are ready ourselves for it emotionally or intellectually and in turn allows us to process that particular experience or often disconcerting observation and helps to let ourselves heal, or at least know we aren't the only one feeling crazy emotions or observing absurd events in the world about us. I am glad to hear your sister is doing better. I too have come to the conclusion that I am destined to be a caretaker of sorts (not of anyone - human - at the moment) - "a refugee from the petty wars of love". I finally see myself as a kind of constant gardener (yes like the movie) / sometime philosopher / cat herder. That seems to be my destiny in life :-) My closest Ragdoll cat Chloe died in late October shortly after Joni's "Shine" was released and her unexpected gift of new music helped me tremendously through that time. I listen to her song "Hana" and wish so much that I was that type of get-over-it-and-get-on-with-life person, but I simply am not. But it is inspiring nonetheless. But the CD gave me so much to resonate with and think about, it was as if Joni was verbalizing in eloquent verse my very own disturbing conclusions about man's capacity to deceive himself (probably unique) and others (a common occurrence among species) and his ongoing decimation of nature and where that is leading. I've had a couple of losses since then hit me in too short a period of time and was overwhelmed by it all for a time, but I am slowly coming back from "putting the damage on" and have found the JMDL and it's many thoughtful posters to be a much-needed source of exchange of ideas, interesting information, and so many well-informed and thoughtful people. Regards - - Mark in Florida NP: Horses - RLJ On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Peep Richman wrote: > Hi Everyone! > I just read the Digest V2008#70. I want to respond to some fascinating > postings....but first, thanks to so many people who sent me e-mails wishing > a speedy recovery for my sister. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:04:24 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: It's Joni time! I've never heard her sing the words "Kelly Green" as she does at the end of the video. Also the chords and melody differ from the "Blue" version when she gets to the "Call her Green, and the winters cannot fade her, call her green for the children who have made her". A moment frozen in time when Joni still had wide-open, trusting eyes when "we had hope, the world had promise". Thanks for this - -Mark in Florida On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AATdTSUfjk > A beautiful performance of Little Green > > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:56:46 -0700 From: Subject: Joni and Henry in h magazine Just by accident today at a little store downtown I noticed a new magazine called "h" - the cover of which promised articles "Icon: Joni Mitchell" and "California Dreamin' with Henry Diltz." So of course I bought it. The article and photos in the Diltz article are great. The Joni article is only one page with some Diltz photos and mostly Henry's take on Joni. I have never seen this mag before and can't find info on it - (does "h" stand for hip? ;-) or henry?) Ha! It all seems deliberately mysterious,. Here is a link to the h website and if you click on "Continue to h" you can read both articles and see the pretty pictures. http://h-monthly.com/ Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: NJC Help Me :) with Bob I've recently gained a new perspective on Bob Dylan's music and find myself more drawn to it than I have ever been..Rosie will be glad to hear the same has happened with Bruce(but that's another story).. Can any of you give me any feedback on Dylan's music?! Please...What I want to know is your favorite period/album...Favorite individual songs from those albums..My favorites so far are Desire..Blood on the tracks..and planet waves..New morning too..But i also really enjoy the earlier albums as well...Thanks in advance :) Kev ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #71 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------