From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #69 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 17 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 069 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: gary burden (annie's hubby) -- Cass Eliott -- Lennon/McCartney -- NJC ["Steve Petrica" ] We sail tonight for Singapore!!! (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re:Those guys & Todd [PassScribe@aol.com] Extremely unprofessional in my opinion (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC Dusty Springfield covers ["Randy Remote" ] Re: NJC: Link to fascinating Gore Vidal interview video with link to help NON-MSM site ["T Peckham" ] Re: Extremely unprofessional in my opinion (njc) ["Randy Remote" Subject: Re: gary burden (annie's hubby) -- Cass Eliott -- Lennon/McCartney -- NJC Hi David-- On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:10 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: My fave is a Beatles song (a Lennon composition, I believe, although with > the L/McC joint credit thing its hard to tell) I Call Your Name. Its a > great Beatles song, but when Cass sings it, as they say on Idol, she makes > it her own. ;) Forgive if I say anything you already know... Not an absolute rule, but a generally reliable guide for guessing authorship of Lennon & McCartney songs is that the song was primarily written by whoever the lead singer is. > Now that I mention the Lennon/McCartney songwriting credits, I'm curious > about something. I used to have a clipping from a magazine where John > Lennon went through every single one of those Lennon/McCartney songs and > says exactly who did what. "Paul did that one, but I wrote the bridge." > "That was mine, but Paul helped with a few lines." Or in the case of > Maxwell's Silver Hammer, "That was Paul's, he made me play it a million > times, and I hated it." I think I remember he remarked that by the time > they finally finished with that song, he didn't just hate the song, and he > didn't just hate Paul, he actually hated everything in the world. Anyway, > I've lost track of that clipping, and I wish I could find it. I'm not 100% > sure which magazine it was from, I think Playboy. And I'm pretty sure the > interview was from the year he was murdered, but I could be wrong. I found > an interview online from Playboy and another from Rolling Stone, both from > 1980. In the Playboy one he does go into details about some songs, but not > exhaustively. In the print interview I had he went through every single > song one by one, even the B-Sides. > McCartney has said similar things in interviews. He's described his song writing style, where he frequently has a tune in his head and he makes up filler words to use while he works out the tune and its chords and so on, and then works out the lyrics later -- collaboratively with John, back in the old days. An example he's used a number of times is the line in "Hey Jude" where he sings, "the movement you need is on your shoulder". When he first sang it for John he apologized for that line and said something like, "don't worry; of course, I'll change those words later". John said, "you won't, you know! That's the best line in the song!" So it stayed in. Another example he uses a lot is "Yesterday", where the nonsense verse he used while developing the tune began, "Scrambled eggs / Oh my, baby, how I love your legs..." "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" was a famous ball-buster of a song when the Beatles were recording the White Album. All the rest of them hated it (and it *is* a pretty dumb song), but Paul led through something like a hundred takes of it. (Most of them circulate on bootlegs.) The Beatles frequently recorded many takes, as they liked to work out their songs in the recording studio, but a hundred was way over the top, even for them! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:36:14 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Dusty Springfield covers I agree that the new Shelby Lynne is a fantastic record...my fave tune is still HANDS DOWN her original tune "Pretend". I was fortunate enough to see her a couple of weeks ago here in town in a very intimate setting...she couldn't have been warmer, more genuine, and even more beautiful in person. Not a superficial beauty, but a true inner beauty. Her band was wonderful, and she even hung out in the lobby after the show for hugs, autographs, photos, etc. and made it feel like SHE was the lucky one for being able to hang with US. Wow, how refreshing. And speaking of Dusty Springfield covers, Coverville is featuring a Dusty cover story as their latest broadcast. Brian's shows are always worthwhile so check it out: http://www.coverville.com/ Bob NP: Audioslave, "Doesn't Remind Me" PS: Happy rocking Friday to all my best friends in the world! And talking about parenthood, Circle Games, and all that, my one & only child graduates from Wofford this Sunday so it's a celebration weekend. Even more exciting, he starts his new job on Monday! I couldn't be prouder of him. - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 07:52:04 -0600 From: "Paul Ingles" Subject: Lennon's Playboy Interview I don't know if this is the whole Lennon/Playboy thing but it's a lot. A great interview. http://www.john-lennon.com/playboyinterviewwithjohnlennonandyokoono.htm You can also find the whole thing in book form. Might be on ebay or amazon... Paul Ingles Independent Producer www.paulingles.com Producer, The Emergence of Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:08:49 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: We sail tonight for Singapore!!! (njc) Just picked up a ticket for Tom Waits at the Fox. 4th row in the pit! I truly believe he puts on the greatest show on earth... Victor, elated ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:36:58 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: We sail tonight for Singapore!!! (njc) I'm envious, Victor - and the Fox is a GREAT venue for him. I'd be joining you (again) for the show but the timing didn't work. Hopefully he's got some new material, I'm ready for some new Ton-tunes Bob NP: Joan Armatrading, "I Love It When You Call Me Names" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:09:00 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Burst the war-funding balloon! Dear Joniamigos: Pardon me for sounding like a broken Joni record, skipping (...a dream that the wars are done, a dream that the wars are done, a dream that the wars are done....) but I just have to share a message received this morning. It's good news on this 9th Iraq Moratorium Day. http://iraqmoratorium.org/ I can't wait to go to the vigil tonight and hold up a white banner in this manner: kisses like bright flags hung on holidays! Dear Patti, You have called, emailed, faxed, marched, organized office visits, teach-ins, sit-ins and die-ins, and been arrested. Thanks to all of your efforts, Congress has defeated a bill to fund the war in Iraq for the first time in 5 years. The Republicans and cautious Democrats in Congress have been caught by surprise; they underestimated our influence on Congress to end the War in Iraq while supporting the Troops. Now the Senate will take up the funding bill. Heads in Washington, D.C. must be spinning; don't let them catch their breath! Call both your Senators now--202-224-3141-and tell them to vote NO on the supplemental war funding bill. Once the Senate votes, the bill will return to the House and we will need your efforts there again. We have burst the war funding balloon-now we have to keep the pressure on! Don't let up; make your calls today! 202-224-3141 ***** "They hear what we're saying and we're spinning their heads around!" (twist on Graham's words) "But I can't make it alone..." I'm going to babble into my cellphone right now. Right now! (npimham, Joni singing: Come on people now smile on your brother Everybody get together try to love one another right now right now right now) Waste of time calling Joe Lieberman (what a misnomer!), but I will. Power to the people! End the "golf war!" (Did anyone see Jon Stewart last night? Thank God for him. Whenever something outrages me during the day, he will talk about it at night. My old man, keeping away my blues. He's diving down to pick up every shiny outrageous thing.) Let all your little lights shine. Love, Patti P. "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace." -- John Lennon _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:40:31 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, CORRECTION to Burst the war funding ballon CORRECTION (Sorry!): If you want to call your Senator at the station, the correct phone number is 202-224-3121. The lines are open. Blushing CODEPINK, pp _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the im Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:41:11 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Dusty Springfield covers Wow, Bob! It seems like it was yesterday when a lot of us sent Nate "Happy 13th Birthday" emails. (I think it was his 13th). Time sure flies, and I'm sure you're a proud Papa. You and Valerie have done a great job in raising such a fine son. Congratulations! Jimmy In a message dated 5/16/2008 9:52:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > And talking > about parenthood, Circle Games, and all that, my one &only child > graduates from Wofford this Sunday so it's a celebration weekend. Even > more exciting, he starts his new job on Monday! I couldn't be prouder of > him. > ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:38:52 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: NJC: Link to fascinating Gore Vidal interview video with link to help NON-MSM site Hi Joni People! If you are like-minded, you don't get your news from the corporate-controlled Main Stream Media (I no longer own or desire to own a TV), using various sites that are not beholden to Coporate money and spin. One of a number of sources I go to for political, economic, health (the facts about the effects of the nuclear weapon Depleted Uranium our military uses in it's munitions on it's soldiers and populations abroad), and other vital issues affecting us all is International Clearing House "News You Won't Find On CNN Or FOXNews - *cough* ". For instance they have an excellent no-holds-barred interview with Gore Vidal today about our current plutocracy and it's power elites and unabashed statements sure to open eyes (as does our Joni) with sobering statements as to how we have arrived at "this massive mess we're in" at this juncture in time: "You must remember, this is a people that has no culture, that has never had one": "United States of Amnesia" ********** *GORE VIDAL: *Well, it isn't over yet. You know, he could still blow up the world. There's every indication that he's still thinking about attacking Iran: 'And the generals are now reporting that The Iran are a great danger and their weapons are being used to kill Americans.' I mean, you know, I think, quite rightly, the Bushites think that the American people are idiots. They don't get the point to anything. * AMY GOODMAN: *You wrote *United States of Amnesia*. Why? *GORE VIDAL: *That's a good title. You must remember, this is a people that has no culture, that has never had one. *AMY GOODMAN: *You're also cousins with another Gore: Al Gore. *GORE VIDAL: *True. *AMY GOODMAN: *What is your assessment of what happened in 2000? *GORE VIDAL: *He was robbed. I don't know him. I never see him. But within the family, I gather it was a great shock to him. He did everything right in life. He was the good boy and loved the Supreme Court and went by the rule of law, due process and everything. And then the Supreme Court bites him in the throat, because they have a lot of crooks on it. *GORE VIDAL: *Yeah. So the coup d'etat comes out of this. They saw their chance. TheyCheney, Bushthey wanted the war. They're oilmen. They want a war to get more oil. They're also extraordinarily stupid. These people don't know anything about anything. ... And that was the coup d'etat. They seized the state. And from that moment on, they were appointing all the judges, they were doing this, they were doing that, they got rid of Magna Carta...and they broke the republic. *GORE VIDAL: *Well, there are many odious traits that Americans have that the rest of the world doesn't like. Constant boasting with not much to boast about, that gets on other people's nerves. The idea that, somehow or other, the whole world belongs to us and everybody should do what we tell them to do, they don't really like that. Weird, but they don't. There has never been a people less suited for world dominion than the Americans of the twentieth century and twenty-first century. ********** As expressed below, the site has only had 55 people contribute to it - the worst response ever - and this is disconcerting. Here is the link to Information Clearing House where you may donate if your are able or interested in doing so. Thanks all...and don't kill the Messenger! Mark in Florida. NP: Stewart's Coat - Rickie Lee Jones Truth > Fiction > Fiction of the boob tube > Fiction of the papers > Fiction of the image and the image makers > Fiction of the magazines > Fiction of the movies > Fiction of the "buy me," "Watch me," "Listen to me" > Fiction (DED) From the Home Page of ICH: *Thank you*. *Of the over 64,000 people who receive our newsletter and the many thousands who visit this website each day,** 55 people responded to our appeal for support**.** * *While our readership has grown over the last month, **the response to our request for financial contributions has been the worst ever**.** * I have to repost this appeal in order that others may have a chance to assist us in maintaining this service. I would appreciate your providing whatever you can- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100- To Use Credit Card at PayPal click here: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/support.htm To use your credit card at Amazon click here. http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P2KA3Y9ANMJPWZ or if you prefer to send a check or money order, ICH, PO Box 365 Imperial Beach, CA 91933. USA. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. *Low income readers: DONT send money*, just encourage others to subscribe to our free daily newsletter. http://informationclearinghouse.info/subscribe.htm *To all those who have helped in the past. Thank you. - Peace & Joy. Tom* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:11:14 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Fw: We sail tonight for Singapore!!! (njc) ahhhh! 4th row in the pit-------sweeeet! should be a good show. i find myself going to less and less concerts because of the distance between me and the performer. i need engagement, involvement------up close and personal. when joni was beginning i use to catch all her shows in the pit ----utterly fantastic. these days, i mainly go to house concerts just because of the intimacy. it's a whole different ball game 4 rows back and and 20 rows back. enjoy, gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "Joni people!" Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: We sail tonight for Singapore!!! (njc) > Just picked up a ticket for Tom Waits at the Fox. 4th row in the pit! I > truly believe he puts on the greatest show on earth... > > Victor, elated > > !DSPAM:144,482d9999254391536315506! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:13:25 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Those guys & Todd In a message dated 5/16/08 3:32:28 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > Laura, for some reason, out of the blue and cumulus clouds posted some > links for Rundgren and, man, that guy still has it. I had never seen him perform > live or on camera. > He's gotten better with time and age and Taylor and Browne have nothing > over him. > Too bad I never really paid attention to him in the 70's because I thought > he was just another poker chip from the top 40 star-maker machinery. > I hope he's a kind and humble guy. I don't know..I just hope so. He's so > darn cute and super-talented but I won't ever get fooled again by any man. > Se acabo por fin, la tonteria de mierda de la mentira. > Hi, Jeannie, Just a quick note to say I've been a Todd fan for longer than I've been a Joni fan (got into him during his NAZZ days). I've talked to him during a ToddFest (also talked to the other members of his band, Utopia) and found them all very nice guys... but, then again, I've not dated or married them so don't know how they are/were with women. My son met Todd at the first Woodstock Anniversary festival (not the one where chaos broke loose with the rapes & fires, etc.) and he said he thought Todd was a great guy. Speaking of rock stars & their women: You know, I assume, that Todd had/has an arrangement where he lived/lives with two women at the same time... mother of his son and another woman/two separate but connected apartments? If not, email me off-list & I'll fill you in on more. Kenny B ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:14:17 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Extremely unprofessional in my opinion (njc) So I thought I had this job lined up, playing the piano in the international concourse at the Atlanta airport. I had an audition, two weeks ago on Friday afternoon. I was told that day by this bar manager that she wanted to hire me, but that I had to audition for her boss. I said that I needed to know something by the end of next week so that I could decide if I was going to take a summer class, whether or not I was going to work at Whole Foods...basically, I needed to get my summer schedule nailed down. So a whole week goes by and I hear nothing. I think I emailed and maybe called. Almost another whole week goes by and I've still heard nothing, not a thing. I think I email again, and called again and still got no response. This is the correspondence that took place. I think this person has been completely unreasonable. I'm curious what your opinion is. This totally pisses me off. [email I sent tonight at 6:23pm] It's been 2 whole weeks and I've received no response from you. I don't understand as you clearly told me you wanted me to return and play for a second audition. If you had no interest in hiring me, you could have simply told me in the beginning. [I finally hear back, after several emails and calls, email received by me at 8:00pm] I have not been able to nail my boss down for an audition time. I frankly was very interested in your working here until I received this berating E-mail from you. I have many responsibilities, and was out having oral surgery, Not that I owe you an explanation. Good luck with your future endeavors. I am with drawing my job offer to you. Donna Woods [my response back to her, sent tonight at 9:02] With all due respect, I have to disagree. Not communicating with someone at all for 2 whole weeks is not reasonable. I've put everything on hold, specifically waiting to hear from you, when I could have been taking advantage of other opportunities, lining up some other work. It would only have taken a second to communicate with me and let me know what the time frame would be, or that you would be out. When I left two weeks ago, I told you I needed to plan out my schedule by the end of next week and you responded as if you understood. I have been completely respectful and persistent in my emails, when it would have been perfectly reasonable for me to make other plans and give up on this. When someone is depending on you professionally, you do owe them an explanation when you don't respond to them in a reasonable amount of time. My time is very important to me as well and if you were being professional, you would apologize to me for taking so long to respond and leaving me hanging. How am I supposed to react when I get zero response after trying several times to reach you? Let's say you owned a business, and you called me and wanted me to come in, and I did not respond, did not call or email for two weeks. You know for a fact that I would not get hired, that someone else would get the job. I've been more than accommodating and was simply expressing my frustration at hearing nothing from you. My email was hardly berating. Just because I'm a student doesn't mean I don't deserve as much respect as any other client or business professional. I had every right to wonder whether or not you were being serious about hiring me and I kept all my correspondence extremely professional where as you have made this into a personal matter which it is not. It's disappointing to me that this is how you have responded but that is your choice and your loss. Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:40:19 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: BYT Greetings, Jorge. You have been given a worthy assignment! This is certainly Joni Mitchell's most widely known song in the US, Although most of her fans who listen deeply into her catalog feel it's not her most profound lyrical statement, it's popularity is undeniable by any measure. It has been covered many, many times by other artists, in many styles. You may get 'extra credit' if you can track down some examples. Joni Mitchell was never one to sell many 'singles', i.e. songs intended to be distributed on 45 RPM vinyl perhaps as a sales leader for an LP, or perhaps even released independently of an album. It is a statement on the ravaging of the planetary environment. Her recent work 'Shine' is in large part the evolution of that message. And monetary inflation! 'They charged all the people a dollar-and- half' just to see trees became a higher-priced ticket in later live renderings. I'm afraid to calculate what admission to Joni's 'tree museum' would cost today! It's a song that is so simple in its message and that appeals so broadly. The rain forest destruction is 'paved paradise' in essence. Our fall from Grace is 'paved paradise'. Our despoiling of the lands and seas and species gone forever, for greed, is paved paradise. And it's a bouncy tune. We might as well dance... Chuck Eisenhardt Arlington, MA, USA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:06:40 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC Dusty Springfield covers I caught Shelby & band at the SF Fillmore on May 1--man oh man what a fine show-she was so stoked to be there and the crowd was very enthusiastic in the best bay area tradition. She will be doing the east side of the US this summer-if you get a chance, go! Best $25 I've ever spent. RR ps I agree about "Pretend", and was happy that she sang that one >I agree that the new Shelby Lynne is a fantastic record...my fave tune is > still HANDS DOWN her original tune "Pretend". > I was fortunate enough to see her a couple of weeks ago here in town in a > very intimate setting...she couldn't have been warmer, more genuine, and > even more beautiful in person. Not a superficial beauty, but a true inner > beauty. Her band was wonderful, and she even hung out in the lobby after > the show for hugs, autographs, photos, etc. and made it feel like SHE was > the lucky one for being able to hang with US. Wow, how refreshing. > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:38:38 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: Re: NJC: Link to fascinating Gore Vidal interview video with link to help NON-MSM site Hey, Mark, thanks so much for posting this. I would probably have missed it, as I've been taking a break (for my health!) from all things political (including my favorite online news sources.) I ADORE Gore Vidal. I don't have time at the moment to even read the whole thing or comment further, but I will later. I also thank you for your response to my last post, and have more to say on that too. It doesn't matter if you haven't read the book yet--just go check out the website--it's very "friendly." ;-) Terra On 5/16/08, Mark Angelo wrote: > > Hi Joni People! > > If you are like-minded, you don't get your news from the > corporate-controlled Main Stream Media (I no longer own or desire to own a > TV), using various sites that are not beholden to Coporate money and spin. > One of a number of sources I go to for political, economic, health (the > facts about the effects of the nuclear weapon Depleted Uranium our military > uses in it's munitions on it's soldiers and populations abroad), and other > vital issues affecting us all is International Clearing House "News You > Won't Find On CNN Or FOXNews - *cough* ". > > For instance they have an excellent no-holds-barred interview with Gore > Vidal today about our current plutocracy and it's power elites and > unabashed > statements sure to open eyes (as does our Joni) with sobering statements as > to how we have arrived at "this massive mess we're in" at this juncture in > time: "You must remember, this is a people that has no culture, that has > never had one": > "United States of > Amnesia" > > ********** > > *GORE VIDAL: *Well, it isn't over yet. You know, he could still blow up the > world. There's every indication that he's still thinking about attacking > Iran: 'And the generals are now reporting that The Iran are a great danger > and their weapons are being used to kill Americans.' > I mean, you know, I think, quite rightly, the Bushites think that the > American people are idiots. They don't get the point to anything. > * > AMY GOODMAN: *You wrote *United States of Amnesia*. Why? > > *GORE VIDAL: *That's a good title. You must remember, this is a people that > has no culture, that has never had one. > > *AMY GOODMAN: *You're also cousins with another Gore: Al Gore. > > *GORE VIDAL: *True. > > *AMY GOODMAN: *What is your assessment of what happened in 2000? > *GORE VIDAL: *He was robbed. I don't know him. I never see him. But within > the family, I gather it was a great shock to him. He did everything right > in > life. He was the good boy and loved the Supreme Court and went by the rule > of law, due process and everything. And then the Supreme Court bites him in > the throat, because they have a lot of crooks on it. > > *GORE VIDAL: *Yeah. So the coup d'etat comes out of this. They saw their > chance. They Cheney, Bush they wanted the war. They're oilmen. They want a > war to get more oil. They're also extraordinarily stupid. These people > don't > know anything about anything. > ... And that was the coup d'etat. They seized the state. And from that > moment on, they were appointing all the judges, they were doing this, they > were doing that, they got rid of Magna Carta...and they broke the republic. > > *GORE VIDAL: *Well, there are many odious traits that Americans have that > the rest of the world doesn't like. Constant boasting with not much to > boast > about, that gets on other people's nerves. The idea that, somehow or other, > the whole world belongs to us and everybody should do what we tell them to > do, they don't really like that. Weird, but they don't. There has never > been > a people less suited for world dominion than the Americans of the twentieth > century and twenty-first century. > > ********** > As expressed below, the site has only had 55 people contribute to it - the > worst response ever - and this is disconcerting. > Here is the link to Information Clearing > House > > where you may donate if your are able or interested in doing so. > > Thanks all...and don't kill the Messenger! > > Mark in Florida. > > NP: Stewart's Coat - Rickie Lee Jones > > Truth > > > Fiction > > > Fiction of the boob tube > > > Fiction of the papers > > > Fiction of the image and the image makers > > > Fiction of the magazines > > > Fiction of the movies > > > Fiction of the "buy me," "Watch me," "Listen to me" > > > > > Fiction (DED) > > From the Home Page of ICH: > > *Thank you*. > > *Of the over 64,000 people who receive our newsletter and the many > thousands > who visit this website each day,** 55 people responded to our appeal for > support**.** * > > *While our readership has grown over the last month, **the response to our > request for financial contributions has been the worst ever**.** * > > I have to repost this appeal in order that others may have a chance to > assist us in maintaining this service. > I would appreciate your providing whatever you can- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, > $100- To Use Credit Card at PayPal click here: > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/support.htm > To use your credit card at Amazon click here. > http://www.amazon.com/paypage/P2KA3Y9ANMJPWZ > > or if you prefer to send a check or money order, ICH, PO Box 365 Imperial > Beach, CA 91933. USA. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. > > *Low income readers: DONT send money*, just encourage others to subscribe > to > our free daily newsletter. > http://informationclearinghouse.info/subscribe.htm > > *To all those who have helped in the past. Thank you. - Peace & Joy. Tom* > - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 23:50:19 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: NJC: Link to fascinating Gore Vidal interview video with link to help NON-MSM site Hi Terra, I also have the utmost respect for Gore Vidal and found the interview - I have to read and watch it again more completely - to be jaw-dropping in that he panders to NO ONE and speaks as one with clarity of vision, who looks at our culture and political machine from a historical perspective, and speaks to consequence. Kind of like our Joni! I did visit the GLU Sheila Weller site btw, and found it to be very friendly as you say, and she seems to enjoy answering reader's questions about her book. I was surprised to read on the site that it debuted or it was #7 I believe on some best seller list (NYT I think) and I have no doubt all this will help the popularity of her book. No one can keep a secret in the age of the internet I guess! Power elites, Plutocracy, Kleptocracy, Pathocracy, or whatever our dysfuntional Republic has become ...TOO BAD!!! ;-) Mark. NP: Stewarts Coat - Rickie Lee Jones On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:38 PM, T Peckham wrote: > Hey, Mark, thanks so much for posting this. I would probably have missed > it, as I've been taking a break (for my health!) from all things political > (including my favorite online news sources.) I ADORE Gore Vidal. I don't > have time at the moment to even read the whole thing or comment further, but > I will later. > > I also thank you for your response to my last post, and have more to say on > that too. It doesn't matter if you haven't read the book yet--just go check > out the website--it's very "friendly." ;-) > > Terra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:16:04 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC: Link to fascinating Gore Vidal interview video with link to help NON-MSM site I heard this excellent interview on the radio the other day. The audio stream, video stream and transcript are here: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/14/legendary_author_gore_vidal_on_the AMY GOODMAN: How do you want to be remembered? GORE VIDAL: I don't give a goddamn. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 20:29:07 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Carly Simon/"Girls Like Us"/guys like them - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Angelo" > The "court and spark" phase you refer to is almost irrational, and > the many > attempts by countless songwriters to describe and define "love" is > witness > to this initial near-irrationality. I once wrote a song by song mini-analysis of 'Court & Spark' using the theory that the record could have been titled 'Love and Madness'. It begins with 'love came to my door with a sleeping roll and a mad man's soul' and ends with the serious meditation on mental illness, 'Trouble Child' followed by its humorous flip-side, 'Twisted'. In between you have Joni pleading 'Help me' for the time 'when I get this crazy feeling', the Free Man in Paris who longs to escape from 'dreamers and telephone screamers', the declaration 'I told you when I met you I was crazy' accompanied by a list of the crazy things People do at their Parties, the craziness of being 'again and again in the Same Situation for so many years', the perhaps obsessive behaviour of waiting for somebody who 'said he'd be over 3 hours ago', the extremes we are capable of from being 'a kind person' to ' a cold person', from 'a brute' to 'an angel', how love drives the singer to not 'count on nothing' and 'just let things slide' while she's 'always runnin' behind the time' and a song about a crazy hooker who once hooked up with a guy and they 'had a little money' but the nutjob 'bought a '57 Biscayne', 'put it in a ditch' and 'drunk up all the rest'. Anyway my contention was (and still is) that every song on C&S is either about love or insanity or both. My apologies to those who have probably seen me write this in one form or another on more than one occasion before. > "Stay in Touch" (TTT) is written as far as I can tell about that > initial > "best behavior" phase of being reunited with her daughter, and is > one of the > best songs I can think of that addresses this initial > near-infatuation state > from an experienced perspective: Going purely from memory and not pretending to be any kind of 'Joni expert', I believe the songs for 'Taming the Tiger' were actually written before Joni & Kilauren reunited. 'Stay In Touch' was more about Donald Freed who was from Saskatoon and chose to remain there. So there was kind of a long-distance romance going on for awhile that also inspired 'Love Puts on a New Face' with its last verse that begins 'He wrote: I wish you were with me here, the leaves are electric'. Anyway, the feelings that started when Joni met Donald are, I believe, what prompted her to write 'we should stay in touch.' But I also seem to remember that in an interview that closely followed the reunion and the release of TTT, Joni did say that the feelings she wrote about in 'Stay In Touch' were very much like what she was experiencing with Kilauren. I'm sounding too didactic for my own liking so I'm going to shut up now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:48:40 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: NJC: Link to fascinating Gore Vidal interview video with link to help NON-MSM site You gotta love it !! And to think some critics say that our Goddess that once wrote of "golden stardust" and "bombers turning into butterflies" has become cynical and bitter !!!!!!!! On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Randy Remote wrote: > I heard this excellent interview on the radio the other day. > The audio stream, video stream and transcript are here: > > http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/14/legendary_author_gore_vidal_on_the > > AMY GOODMAN: How do you want to be remembered? > GORE VIDAL: I don't give a goddamn. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:50:40 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: FW: Message from website re: BYT: Correction - - I'd like to clarify one issue regarding species extinctions and correct the figure given for explosive human population growth. On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Mark Angelo wrote in part re: "Big Yellow Taxi": "It foretold of disappearing species (I have read anywhere from 47-50 per day over the past several decades to a current high number of roughly 200 per day extinct because of Western paradigm "progress". We have succeeded in recreating virtual everythings, and in the process to distance ourself from nature have eliminated much of the reality." The most current numbers are from today's story from Common Dreams: An Epidemic of Extinictions: Decimation of Life on Earth in which a report by the WWF states that humanity's impact on other species) has caused them to be decimated by nearly one third in the 35 years up until 2005. "Land species have declined by 25 per cent, marine life by 28 per cent, and freshwater species by 29 per cent." The last time such a catastrophic reduction occurred on the planet was the Cretacous-Tertiary extinction event associated with the extinction of the dinosaurs, some *65 million years ago.* "...The planet is at "red alert" and if truth be told, "we cover you (the Earth) like a plague". Any species that has grown to such unsustainable numbers and explodes exponentially to 6.6 million, adding 50 million a day, must like yeast in a petri dish, outstrip finite resources to consume and will implode on itself catastrophically. With Homo sapiens, this can be traced directly back to the introduction of cheap, non-renewable fossil fuels." That 6.6 million is an obvious typo and it should read* 6.6 billion**.* In regards to the number of humans added to the planet every day, I had read recently 50 million which I thought rather large, however that too needs corrected, as it appears to be inflated quite a bit! - -Extracted from "A World Without Us" by Alan Weisman: "Worldwide, every four days human population rises by *1 million.*** Since we can't really grasp such numbers, they'll wax out of control until they crash, as has happened to every other species that got too big for this box". I checked Wikipedia which states approximately 75 million humans are added every year which more or less is congruent with the 1 million figure every four days: 75 million / 365 days = approximately 205,479 added per day which is mind-boggling nonetheless! "When it comes to mathematics I have static in the attic" Mark in Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:03:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: amelia louise njc (how can that be?) Welcome sweet girl! Alison, I'd love to see the pics! Does she have red hair (yet)? kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:08:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: annie's husband Henry Diltz gave an amazing slide show tonight. Photos & stories I'd never seen/heard. If you hear of him coming to a town near you, especially with a slide show, GO! What an amazing life he's had! Oh, about Annie's husband- he mentioned his partner Gary (Burden) more times than not on his adventures. I think the most poignant photo was the sweet one of Paul & Linda Mc that made Life Magazine. He hung out with Paul a lot. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:08:15 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Extremely unprofessional in my opinion (njc) This is the > correspondence that took place. I think this person has been > completely unreasonable. I'm curious what your opinion is. This > totally pisses me off. This person is a flake-you are probably avoiding future problems by not getting the job. I was not aware that oral surgery affected your ability to type. Unprofessional, yes. If her boss was being evasive, she still could have gotten back to you with something. Sounds like a lot of excuses when an apology would have been more appropriate. 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