From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #51 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 3 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 051 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re:the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: re:the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan ["Mark Scott" ] Sonya Kitchell on Joni ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Once [Jerry Notaro ] Re: the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan [Michael Paz ] njc, Cinematic Pleas for Peace [Patti Parlette ] Re: Simple sorrow [Catherine McKay ] Re: the old clown is dancing: Joni and Dylan [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Simple sorrow ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: the old clown is dancing: Joni and Dylan ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Simple sorrow ["Mark Scott" ] Joni, Todd & "Favorite Decade" Challenge [PassScribe@aol.com] The exploding line thread [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:47:38 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: re:the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan I think CC's theory is great. The old man is snoring being a reference to Bob Dylan falling asleep while listening to Court & Spark makes sense to me. I think Dylan is one of the very few persons (in the record industry) Joni has admired. I think his evaluation on her music definately has had some effect on her. She says herself that he was kind of a main-inspiration on her shift from folk-singer - to singer-songwriter- he made her see that she could write songs about anything. Imagine Joni falling asleep whilst listening to a Dylan record. That would never have happened. And it would be looked upon as a scandal and a great provoke as well. But he falls asleep - and is forgiven the next moment- I think it's very disrespectfull of him as a fellow artist. And also it tells me something about men and women - and that men has much greater freedom when to behave and act like they want to than women have... The later years the distance between Joni and Dylan to me seems be deeper. The last thing I heard of Joni speaking of Dylan in a positive manner - - was when she included the not very popular "Dancin' Clown" on her Best of CD released a couple of years ago. "Dylan liked that" was the reason she put it on. So Dylans opninion mattered more than the whole JMDL (who did not like it at all ) Of course Joni is Joni and love to surprise and love the work everyione else diss, but still... It kind of reminds me of my relationship with my brother. He's two years older than me. And f he values something I have written or some music I like, his opinions really matters. And this goes the other ways to. For example if I have a friend he really doesn't care about - that really bugs me. I get sad and wanting them to become friends or maybe his disliking of my friend gets to me and I start disliking my friend as well... But he doesn't pay that much attention to what I think about his work or his taste or his friends. In fact sometimes I believe he couldn't care less. Just like Dylan on Joni Well Thanks for reading and thanks for your intersing points on the thread CC ! Best Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:12:59 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2008 #33 In a message dated 05/01/2008 3:19:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Not to disagree with Bob Muller, but I believe that the *song* For the Roses was written about Jackson Browne, although other songs on the album were written for James. Now you're seen on giant screens ... I believe is a reference to James' film debut Two Land Blacktop. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:45:40 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: joni and dylan and my brother & me I just got some second thoughts on what I recently sent. I know that my brother do care of my opnions. For many years I thought he didn't, but than after like 25 years I finnaly understood he did. I also understood theat he was no Superman, but he was also, like me vulnerable, and had feelings and could get hurt. I have this little-brother syndrome - and that is something I've been working on for years. He does influence me a lot, mostly in a positve manner, and sometimes wish that it would be rewarded in the other way around. That he would start to ask me of advice and listen more to me. And I sometimes get hurt when he isn't. But all in all we get along very well. And I've learnt to accept our differences, and to show genreiouty and support on his behalf, instead of being envious for he in someway being more succesfull than me. But I'm sure I've had a lot more issuses in this realtion - than he has... So there... Maybe Joni has been working on her relationship on Dylan to. And maybe nowadays she doesn't pay much attention to his opninions. She found her friends - (Herbie Hancock among others) and as far as I can see Dylan is not among them... It was just this parallell I suddenly read into the whole situation. Alanis just said something interesting in on of the interviews on Yahoo TV. She said that the best response she could get was by a fan coming up to her after a show and telling her some juicy story from their own life related to her song. Because they so strongly felt that the song/situation described was about that and them. And now I jsut did the same. Even though I am abolutely sure that the "the old man is snoring" reference not in the slightes way is connected with me and my brother. But that is just another example if Joni's universal lyrics. Best and smile ! Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 21:47:28 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Simple sorrow I believe that the song is about James Taylor and his lyrics have always been much more straighforward than Joni's. She uses metaphors and other ways to describe emotion but, James has always used simple imagery to describe feelings of melancholy (ie farmhouses, country roads, etc). I love JT's simple, easy going way of describing scenes. Makes me want to go find a rocking chair to sit and watch the sunsets on. Joni is more about thinking deeply. My take. Mark in Sydney NP Half Day Closing (Live at Roseland) - Portishead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 05:43:17 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: re:the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: re:the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan > The last thing I heard of Joni speaking of Dylan in a positive > manner > - was when she included > the not very popular "Dancin' Clown" on her Best of CD released a > couple of years ago. "Dylan liked that" > was the reason she put it on. So Dylans opninion mattered more than > the whole JMDL (who did not like it at all ) Hi Oddmund, I for one do not hate 'Dancin' Clown' and have always thought it was a fun song with some clever lyrics in it. So I wouldn't say the whole JMDL did not like it. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:48:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Simple sorrow I agree, but I would submit that the illiteration is a TRIPLE..simple, sorrow, soundhole. Bob NP: - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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So Dylans opninion mattered more than >> the whole JMDL (who did not like it at all ) > > Hi Oddmund, > > I for one do not hate 'Dancin' Clown' and have always thought it was a > fun song with some clever lyrics in it. So I wouldn't say the whole > JMDL did not like it. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:08:18 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: the old clown is dancing: Joni and Dylan It is ALWAYS my honor & pleasure to perform with the uber-talented Paz, and I'd love to do "Dancing Clown" to prove that the essence of the song is OK. Like most of CMIARS, it is awash in cheesy production and patronizing celebrity surprise appearances which taint it badly. For instance, the cover of "Tea Leaf Prophecy" by Cris Williamson & Holly Near went a long way to open my senses to that song, which I had never cared for. Joni herself of course upped the ante on that one big time with her performance on Herbie's record, proving that the song is one of tremendous merit and not the anti-melodic throwaway that I had thought it to be. Therefore, I am now open to the possibility that Dancing Clown can be similarly savaged from it's original dreadful incarnation. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Spare Parts II & Closing" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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(Michael McDonald, Rod Steiger) And in the case of DED, it doesn't come off as being contrived or a publicity stunt as much as when the device is employed on CMIARS. Even though it would have been fine without him, McDonald adds a nice compliment on "Good Friends", and Steiger's inclusion as the preacher is an artistic choice rather than a commercial one, unlike Lionel Ritchie (WTRF), Don Henley, Billy Idol, Tom Petty, and Willie Nelson (CMIARS). It just rang false to me that someone who seemed not to care about creating commercial 'product' all of a sudden brings in a group of artists who all were riding high on the charts at the time as an 'artistic' choice. In Joni's defense, I'm of the opinion that most of this was foisted on her by Klein and that her re-capturing of the process happened on her next project, and it's also why NRH is such a better album than CMIARS. 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Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:51:30 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Simple sorrow My take on the simple sorrow line is that the YOU ("remember the days when YOu used to sit...soundhole and your knee") is not so much referring to JT himslef (if he was in fact the subject of the address) but more WE, as the singer songwriter community. The simplicity of being a folk singer alone on stage under a spotlight with a four minute song to deliver your simple sorrow (slightly belittling or mocking the earnest endeavor of the neophyte artist perhaps) has been overwhelmed by the "giant screens and parties for the press". Of course this is Joni alliteration in its purest form too "sit..sorrow...soundhole" reducing the whole musical career to sensory soundbite (hey, I can do it too :-) and I'm reminded of it every time I pick up my guitar and play. Notice too the "sitting": whereas the rock guitarists would stand the folkies would sit on a stool. Dave P.S also an on again/off again Todd fan....Initiation was one of my all time favorite albums; I even remastered it a few years back. These days I find Todd more embarrassing than brilliant but glad to hear the show Bob attended was great. I've seen him when he just captured your heart with soulfulness and then on the next tour sound like a lousy bar band.... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:10:51 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Sonya Kitchell on Joni There was a nice article on Sonya Kitchell in a local paper last week. (Sonya is from the town where I live.) Some excerpts: On Joni - "I got to spend two days with her (Joni) and we got to hang out and really enjoyed each other's company," she said. "I got to have a two-hour conversation with her about life and love, butterflies, and polar bears, politics and songwriting. It was something I never really thought would happen. I mean, she is my idol." On Herbie - "Herbie is a Buddhist and we chant before every show and he has been teaching me about the Buddhist sect he is a part of," she explained. "He is just an unbelieveable person, full of energy and always in a good mood and interested and intrigued by life." If you're a big Sonya fan and want a copy of the scanned article, just let me know . Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:34:53 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Once Glen Hansard and Marketa Irglova, of the fab movie and soundtrack Once, and Academy Award winning Falling Slowly were on Fresh Air today. Marketa id from the Czech Republic and described how influential Joni9s music was, even lining in Eastern Europe. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:49:23 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan I have had to withdraw from this line up to to my commitment to be on the Donny and Marie Osmond Tribute Tour. Respectfully Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On May 2, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Jerry Notaro wrote: I'm also a fan of the song. Though we all know what Muller thinks of it. Eventually he will come around and he and Paz will perform it at Jonifest 2037. Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 1:47 AM > Subject: re:the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan > > >> The last thing I heard of Joni speaking of Dylan in a positive >> manner >> - was when she included >> the not very popular "Dancin' Clown" on her Best of CD released a >> couple of years ago. "Dylan liked that" >> was the reason she put it on. So Dylans opninion mattered more than >> the whole JMDL (who did not like it at all ) > > Hi Oddmund, > > I for one do not hate 'Dancin' Clown' and have always thought it was a > fun song with some clever lyrics in it. So I wouldn't say the whole > JMDL did not like it. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:09:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan NJC So maybe we can work up "Paper Roses" or "One Bad Apple Don't Spoil The Whole Bunch"? Or are you just stalling until your chops are back up to speed? Bob NP: Led Zep, "South Bound Suarez" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: the old man is snoring: Joni and Dylan Perhaps Joni and Dylan should just have an arm wrestling match (best 2/3) and get it over with? Although I could understand Joni's (I have to think of the right word here) disappointment in Dylan (who as mentioned was a great influence) falling asleep to Court and Spark and in Dylan not being a little more expressive about Joni's work. At the same time, Bob Dylan isn't really very expressive about anything except within the context of his songs it seems to be. Joni probably holds certain disappointments close to her heart which I could understand but many, many famous musicians couldn't care less. We know she's read a lot of her reviews and I think she's been genuinely hurt by some of them. I can personally understand that. I'd probably be the same way but it seems most famous musiciains couldn't care less about what this paper says or that guy says and so forth. Joni seems more sensitive to these things while so many others shrug it off or even discredit anyone who has anything negative to say. -M P.S. Bob was probably stoned when he fell asleep....that could do it... - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: LOTC Does anyone own the 2006 Japanese import of Ladies of the Canyon? It is supposed to be remastered, which would be nice, but I'd like to hear from someone who owns it. Thanks, Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:12:26 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Cinematic Pleas for Peace NYC-area listers may be interested in this: "Tribeca Film Festival: Cinematic Pleas For Peace Ending Wars, Bridging Cultures Are Focus Of Many Films At Tribeca By SUSAN DUNNE | Courant Staff Writer At the Tribeca Film Festival, ending Saturday, there are recurring themes: women's issues, New York stories, tributes to legendary artists, etc. But the festival's most frequently repeated message is: "Can't we all just get along?" Several films at the festival in Lower Manhattan focus on people working to end hostilities in their countries, or tell fictional or documentary stories of people reaching out to embrace those of other cultures. These life-affirming stories might find their way toward larger audiences, or possibly trigger a "trickle up" effect. This happens when big movie companies see indie films with themes they like, so they make movies with similar themes with big budgets and big stars, sometimes turning documentaries into fiction...." http://www.courant.com/entertainment/movies/hc-tribeca0501.artmay01,0,6379105.story Trickle up! Move on up! Pump it up! I sent this article out last night to some UConn Film Studies friends (and to one Film Studies person way down yonder in Chapel Hill!) and now we have a channelled aspiration to put together a similar series for our students here next semester. Because you know, life is for learning. Bon weekend! Patti P. NPIMH: Shades of Scarlet Conquering w/ some new words: A celluloid rider comes to town Cinematic lovers sway Pleading for peace.... Given in the night to dark dreams From the dark things she feels She covers her eyes in the bloody war scenes Running from the reels Beauty and madness to be praised 'Cause it is not easy to be brave To walk around in so much need To carry the weight of all that greed of all that war... P.S. While checking those lyrics, I noticed that the title of the song spells "Scarlet", but in the body of the lyrics, it is "Scarlett." Pas grande chose and not a deep complaint from Parlette -- just thought I'd mention it. Frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn! ; ) _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after babyhow do you know when youre ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Simple sorrow - --- Dave Blackburn wrote: > My take on the simple sorrow line is that the YOU > ("remember the days > when YOu used to sit...soundhole and your knee") is > not so much > referring to JT himslef (if he was in fact the > subject of the > address) but more WE, as the singer songwriter > community. The > simplicity of being a folk singer alone on stage > under a spotlight > with a four minute song to deliver your simple > sorrow (slightly > belittling or mocking the earnest endeavor of the > neophyte artist > perhaps) has been overwhelmed by the "giant screens > and parties for > the press". > I've always thought of the "You" as being a reference to Joni herself and, by extension, any singer-songwriter who puts herself or himself out there to perform in front of other people. If you become very successful, you're performing in stadiums or arenas, with those mega-screens so people in the gods can see you. That may be an anachronism, of course. I don't know if those mega-screens existed back then. Not that I think anyone else is wrong, either. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:51:59 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: the old clown is dancing: Joni and Dylan Well, I'd rather hear Paz and Muller do "A Little Bit Country, A Little Bit Rock and Roll" much more than "Dancing Clown" ANY DAY. The lyrics might be okay, but as for the song I'd rather stick an ice pick in my ear than listen to "Dancing Clown".IMO it is the worse Joni song ever! Other than that, Happy Friday everyone! Jimmy In a message dated 5/2/2008 10:59:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: > I have had to withdraw from this line up to to my commitment to be on > the Donny and Marie Osmond Tribute Tour. > > Respectfully > > Paz > ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:04:17 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Simple sorrow On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Dave Blackburn wrote: > > > I've always thought of the "You" as being a reference > to Joni herself and, by extension, any > singer-songwriter who puts herself or himself out > there to perform in front of other people. If you > become very successful, you're performing in stadiums > or arenas, with those mega-screens so people in the > gods can see you. That may be an anachronism, of > course. I don't know if those mega-screens existed > back then. > > Not that I think anyone else is wrong, either. > > Catherine Yes what you said makes a lot of sense in light of Joni's own remarks about the song. Joni said of the song in a 1996 interview with the *Los Angeles Times*): "That was my first farewell to show business. I was in Canada, where I have a sanctuary where I still go sometimes, and I had decided to quit show business and get away from all the pressures I felt. To me, this was an unfair, crooked business and it has nothing to do with real talent. I was up in Canada about a year and I guess it strengthened my nervous system a little, so I finally came back." So it was essentially the 1972 version of 1998's more metaphorical and even more scathing song TTT, her final goodbye to show business. And in the lyrics to "Bad Dreams" (Shine) she uses the pronoun "you" no less than 7 times in 10 no-holds-barred consecutive lines "You have no grace, no empathy, no gratitude"...Although at first the "you" seemed to me to refer to King George, she reveals in an interview that "I'm hoping people won't think this (song) is autobiographical, but that they will see themselves in it. Certainly I see myself in that grocery list of failures-like being selfish, forgetting to be grateful, focusing on the me me me." So the "you" does not refer to some particular individual or a group of individuals but rather to the egos of *all* 6.6 billion humans. So I think your comment was very insightful, and she well may have employed "you" based on her own words about FTR to refer to herself. Love all the comments by the way, very thoughtful. Mark in Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:17:29 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: the old clown is dancing: Joni and Dylan On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:51 PM, wrote: > Well, I'd rather hear Paz and Muller do "A Little Bit Country, A Little > Bit > Rock and Roll" much more than "Dancing Clown" ANY DAY. The lyrics might be > okay, but as for the song I'd rather stick an ice pick in my ear than > listen to > "Dancing Clown".IMO it is the worse Joni song ever! Yes it is perhaps the most painful song for me to listen to in to in it's present form for me still, but it shall be redeemed when she jettisons Billy Idol (of all people to pick!) as she did with Willie Nelson to return with a rendition as she did with "The Tea Leaf Prophecy" and HH that is brilliant musically and lyrically. Have faith in The Joni. She never disappoints in the long term!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:21:17 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Sheila Weller / Girls like us (Morning Joe) Hello, you can grab the video from Sheila Weller on Morning Joe talking about her book for download from this link: http://msnbc.vo.llnwd.net/e1/video/flash/n_scarborough_girlslikeus_080430.flv (right-click on the link and save as...) You will need a flash video player to view the file. I recommend KMPlayer which can handle almost any video and audio file format. You can get it here: http://www.kmplayer.com/beta/kmp.zip (it doesn't require installation, so you can safely give it a try). Mac users may want to try VLC Player. Enjoy! moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Centennial addition Centennial as in Volume "100", that is...never thought I'd get here but here we are. I've been running behind the times, and I'm already late, but I don't want to wait any longer to get this great collection out there for y'all, so get it now and I'll offer up my write-up and opinions in a couple of days. Lots of stuff here that y'all are going to love: 1. Ellen Winters - I Don't Know Where I Stand 2. Lou Volpe - Both Sides Now 3. Adrienne Young - Free Man In Paris 4. Andy Milne - Amelia 5. Andy Milne - The Circle Game 6. Pamela Luccarelli - Love Is Like A Big Brass Band 7. Saskia Groenenberg - Black Crow 8. Blue Lightning - Big Yellow Taxi 9. David Colby - The Circle Game 10. Jeanne O'Connor - Chelsea Morning 11. John Doe - A Case Of You 12. Kate Hammett-Vaughan - Sweet Sucker Dance 13. Luce Dufault - Both Sides Now 14. Luce Dufault - River 15. Monica Richardson - Big Yellow Taxi 16. The Avengers - Night In The City 17. Whim 'N Rhythm - Chelsea Morning 18. Siegfried Posselt - From Both Sides Now 19. Vinnick, Shepherd & Hart - Big Yellow Taxi Go get it here while it's hot (and it pretty darn hot): http://download.yousendit.com/594574316EB95C88 Bob NP: Days Of The New, "Where I Stand" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:13:14 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Simple sorrow - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > > I've always thought of the "You" as being a reference > to Joni herself and, by extension, any > singer-songwriter who puts herself or himself out > there to perform in front of other people. If you > become very successful, you're performing in stadiums > or arenas, with those mega-screens so people in the > gods can see you. That may be an anachronism, of > course. I don't know if those mega-screens existed > back then. > > Not that I think anyone else is wrong, either. > > Catherine This is what I have always gotten from that line. Nicely put as usual, Catherine. Mark in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:45:13 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Joni, Todd & "Favorite Decade" Challenge > So cool that some Joni fans are also Todd fans. And here I thought I was > the only one. ;^) " > > Darn right. Joni fans are cool! "Play it cool, play it cool...." > > Love, > > Patti P. > Well, Patti, Joni and Todd are certainly two very creative and talented people; both singer-songwriters, able to play multiple instruments. Joni morphed from folk to rock and jazz while Todd weaved through power-pop, psychedelia, and many experimental/computer-assisted technologies. Since they have long been my two favorite musicians/artists, I have also noticed that my favorite decade for music has been the 1970's (containing many of my favorite albums of all time). I have a challenge for you all: try listing your favorite DECADE and one favorite ALBUM from each year INCLUDING, of course, at least ONE Joni.. the REALLY hard part is doing it using TEN DIFFERENT artists. It's not as easy as it seems; many of my all-time faves are from 1972-1975 and to pick just one to represent each year is tricky. My list (with ten different artists): (1970) Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young "Deja Vu" (1971) Laura Nyro "Live at the Fillmore East" (even though it was released in 2004) (1972) Stephen Stills/Manassas "Manassas" (1973) Todd Rundgren "A Wizard/A True Star" (1974) Joni Mitchell "Court & Spark" (1975) Bruce Springsteen "Born To Run" (1976) Flo & Eddie "Moving Targets" (1977) Ram Jam "Ram Jam" (1978) Joe Walsh "But Serously, Folks" (1979) The Tubes "Remote Control" (produced by Todd) Kenny B ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 23:12:20 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: The exploding line thread Hey cats, The recent thread about "and pour your simple sorrow to the soundhole and your knee", with its beautiful compression of meaning and unforgettably vivid image, capturing the singer-songwriters art in one deft line, got me thinking about how many of these there are in Joni's music, often tossed as if casually into a lyric without the "this is my killer line" sense that a lesser songwriter would probably reveal. "between the forceps and the stone", "cartwheels turn to car wheels through the town", "Slippers are shuffling into folding chairs Freckled hands are shuffling cards" I mean.... damn....any of us songwriters would be beaming with pride at crafting one of these per decade and Joni often has more than one per song, (especially on Hejira.) How about we share our personal favorite exploding lines? Dave p.s looking forward to U.K Jonifest with great anticipation. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #51 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------