From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #47 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 29 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 047 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Can we still be friends?, njc [Laura Stanley ] I saw the light, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Worst Joni covers [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: "White Eyes Lies" [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Worst Joni covers ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Joni remarks [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Worst Joni covers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Alela Diane (njc) [Garret ] Re: Worst Joni covers [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Night of the iguana [missblux@googlemail.com] Joni mention in my newspaper [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Worst Joni covers [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] New York Times(4/27) review of "girls like us" [anon anon ] Re: Girls Like Us review [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni remarks ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: "White Eyes Lies" ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Worst Joni covers ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Girls Like Us review ["Mark Angelo" ] Re: Girls Like Us review [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Girls Like Us review ["Jerry Notaro" ] Joni Video on Youtube...possible old news [MattJones ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Can we still be friends?, njc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olc1PTyeCzM&feature=related ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: I saw the light, njc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sz0uO2gPeA&feature=related ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Worst Joni covers Ah, thanks Bob! Those were good and when I say "good" I mean good in what I wanted--some bad covers (ugly I call 'em). Not even by any stretch of the imagination are they good in quality. However, they were just what I needed. When Blonde in the Bleachers started, I thought the guy was going to "rap" it....but he and his band just...had their very own interpretation of it...yes, very much their own...and as for Rainy Night House, you were right. The vocals were no good and I almost felt like I should have had little hobbits dancing around me while I seek out Middle Earth... -Monika, who does like the LOTR books but come on now - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: "White Eyes Lies" I really do think Shine was something Joni needed to do. It seems, she has always expressed whatever concerned her the most at whatever time. That's just what she did with Shine. I can understand Joni not writing anything new about relationships or this or that being in her 60's. She has a different outlook, different priorities, and it is safe to say she has made her mark in music history (though I'd argue her influence will continue to grow). Shine does focus on the aspects of this Earth and this world in which some of us would rather not hear about or are indeed concerned about or sadly couldn't care less about. I read a lot of reviews discussing how Shine was such a negative album lyrically speaking. I find some hope in it, as for an example in the entire song of "Shine." It is there but just not as obvious. I didn't come out of the album thinking, "this sucks, that sucks, we're f*cked." Quite the opposite actually. Change (both positive and negative for that matter) can arise as long as a MAJORITY decide to get together and do something about...with of course the help of someone higher up somewhere who has the authority to do something even greater (you know in speaking about helping the environment or whatever it may be). Unfortunately, I think there are some people in the world who are just trying to get by and that's all they care about--day to day life. Until something strikes in their own living room, there will always be those people who are not concerned about global warming or the Iraq war or pollution in general or whatever topic you choose to highlight. That is, until it affects them directly. We are afterall, very, very self absorbed (human beings I mean). Of course I do believe there are some fighting the good fight out there and some who would love to do something but have no idea what to do or how to get started. That is the problem. You can't start a revolution (for lack of a better word but I hope you understand what I mean) without a leader guiding a mass majority of people. History shows that (for better or for worse changes). -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:44:49 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Worst Joni covers I can't say I've heard too many covers of Joni's stuff...it's almost as if I'm being sacrilegious or deliberately committing heresy if I actively seek them out. I do remember hearing a cover of River - who hasn't covered it ?? ;-) - whilst in a Starbucks I really liked sung by Aimee Mann. I wouldn't mind purchasing that if I could ever locate it. Diana Krall does a version of "A Case Of You" which is superb. Tori Amos does some excellent covers of Joni, even saying about the addictive nature that love can hold over you reflected in the lines of "A Case Of You" - something to the effect if there is any song she could have written or should have written, it would be ACOU. I don't particularly like her cover of the song, it is a little over the top IMO, but her other covers, such as the ubiquitous aforementioned "River" are very good. I watched a special tribute to Joni some years back and really liked Shawn Colvin's and Mary Chapin Carpenter's duet of Amelia. Also remember liking K D Lang's interpretation...forgot which song though. Mark in Florida. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote in part: > Ah, thanks Bob! Those were good and when I say "good" I mean good in > what I wanted--some bad covers (ugly I call 'em). Not even by any stretch > of the imagination are they good in quality. However, they were just what I > needed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:58:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni remarks Thanks for the link. I always enjoy reading anything Joni and in particular peoples' opinion on all things Joni. Why else would I be on this list, right? -Monika NR: Love's Labor's Lost-Willy the Shake! Mark Angelo wrote: . The diary in it's entirety with all comments is here: Joni Mitchell Returns To "Shine" It was more of a "cheer-leading" effort than a critical review as all I had to go by were the lyrics which mesmerized me as usual, in that she conveys so much with such clarity and brevity, published on her web site well before the CD release, and some short samples which Amazon put up just days earlier I believe. So no I didn't get my 15 minutes of fame with my review up their with the countless others on her website but I think it will serve as my gift I will lay at the alter of Joni for helping me all these years since I was a teenager growing up in and Saudi Arabia, discovering and listening to C&S over and over. Because I was forced to travel so much from an early age, I identify with the lines of "Hejira" more than any other work, although in all honesty I can identify with every single one of them. "You know it never has been easy, whether you do or do not resign, whether you travel the breadth of extremities, or stick to some straighter line" (Hejira) Mark in Florida. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote in part: Thank you for sharing. As for the pedal steel, it is a guitar. You play it with a slide but it differs from slide guitar because it is placed down (sort of like a dulcimer) on a stand and it is not shaped like a regular guitar. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:24:36 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Worst Joni covers Bad covers are good in the great plan. And Volume 100 right around the corner... Bob NP: Gayle & Company, "Woodstock" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:08 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Alela Diane (njc) Hi Kakki, it's good to hear from you. I hope all is well. I am very glad you liked Alela Diane's music. Right now i believe that everyone should listen to her beautiful songs. I strongly encourage you to search out her song "Oh! My Mama". I pretty much loved this song from the opening guitar the first time i heard it (and then that voice!). In concert i just loved that her father accompanied her and her friend, another talented singer/song writer by the name of Mariee Sioux, was the opening act and provided backing vocals. The way you describe the Gold Rush part of California really seems to come across in her music. You are lucky to have a friend whose music you have been enjoying since childhood. I am always in awe of people like that, having no musical abilities to speak of. GARRET On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 4:51 AM, wrote: > > > Wow, Garret, > > I checked out the link and her music and was completely taken. It may be > blasphemy, but yes, there is something very early Joniesque about her. But > more than that, she is a throwback of sorts (only in a great way) of the > sound of music that I remember so many years ago. She reminds me of someone > I listened to back then but can't quite recall. She also sounds very much > like my best childhood friend who has been writing songs since she was 10. > I will have to share the link with her. I really liked listening to Aleda - > very pure and good sounds. Maybe our Steve Dulson knows of her? When you > wrote that she was a "California" songwriter, I first thought she was one of > the many from the L.A. area, but she is from a much less known area - the > "Gold Rush" country - which is very historic and more Alpine meadows and > forests than what people usually imagine "California" to be. Thanks for > sharing - I really enjoyed the new "referral." ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:11:02 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Worst Joni covers NOT to be confused with Cheesy Joni Covers. > Bad covers are good in the great plan. > And Volume 100 right around the corner... > > Bob > > NP: Gayle & Company, "Woodstock" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. 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This morning I was surfing the internet and stumbled upon a Swedish website, www.lastfm.se . They have several groups and you can create your own radio. There is a Joni group/discussion list with more than 300 members whose average age is 27. I was surprised to find so many young people, I had the impression that most of Joni's fans are at least middle-aged. So I was prejudiced and I'm glad I'm wrong! So Bene, Odd and others in the Scandinavian region, if you don't already know about this website, check it out! (Of course, anybody can but the language is Swedish). Have a nice weekend, Marion ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:39:48 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni mention in my newspaper For the listophiles among you: In connection with Tindersticks' new album, my newspaper made a 'short melancholic history of music' it contains: Nina Simone "Nina Simone sings the blues" 1966 Joni Mitchell "Blue" 1971 ("a melancholic miracle...") Morrissey "Viva Hate" 1988 Spain "The blue moods of Spain" Robert Forster "The Evangelist" 2008 Does anyone know the Forster album...? And what about Tindersticks "The hungry saw"? Bene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:32:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Worst Joni covers I've only heard a couple thousand, so I've got a bit of a head start on you. Keep yourself open to the possibility that some Joni covers surpass Joni's own recording, some do but I will say NOT MANY. k.d. did "Help Me" on that 2000 TNT Tribute, and her studio version of same made it onto the Joni Tribute CD released last year. Bob NP: Ani, "Subdivision" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Noone even comes close to Joni in terms of being a superb singer/songwriter... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en- US?ocid=TAG_APRIL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:21:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: chuck eisenhardt Subject: Girls Like Us review In yesterday's New York Times a review of Girls Like Us informs the reader that of the three, Carole King was 'the best songwriter'. Hmmmm.... ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us review It all depends on how you frame the argument - if you measure a songwriter by their sales and their ability to write Top 10 hits, then Carole has it all over Joni, who has *1* Top ten hit to her credit ("Help Me"). There are also many more Carole King covers than there are Joni covers. All that being said, I would submit that using 'best' in that context was not a good choice. "Popular" would have been accurate because it's measurable. "Best" is totally subjective. Bob NP: Bruce, "Jungleland" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:02:24 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Joni remarks Thanks for reading my almost "15 minutes of fame" cheerleading...err review Joni Mitchell Returns To Shine. I rarely contribute much, as I often take contrarian views and don't enjoy the incessant arguing that comes from not towing the line, but the tasering of the student at UF got me riled up as I read with dismay on one of the most viewed progressive sites an overload of comments saying in one way or another "he deserved it" ... "he was out of line"... I disagreed vehemently of course, as I saw it more in the light which Naomi Wolf (writer "The End of America") has said "What is the lesson for us from this and from other closing societies...? You can have a working Congress or Parliament; newspapers; human rights groups; even elections; but when ordinary people start to be hurt by the state for speaking out, dissent closes quickly and the shock chills opposition very, very fast." As far as the Joni Shine review, well what can I say? I HAD to say something. After all, nearly 10 years had passed with no new Joni except repackaged offerings of her previous works (with paintings that made the purchases worthwhile all by themselves). I simply could not contain myself when I discovered she had returned with "Shine" and no one on the progressive site made any mention of it. Indeed the CD itself would be heavily promoted days later on the main page of the site for a few weeks subsequently by Hear Music (Starbucks). It would be my second and last diary, but I am still quite satisfied with it's content which places "Shine" in a historical perspective in the context of her development as an artist. NP: Two Grey Rooms On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote in part: > Thanks for the link. I always enjoy reading anything Joni and in > particular peoples' opinion on all things Joni. Why else would I be on this > list, right? > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:40:42 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: "White Eyes Lies" Yes I agree Monika, that Shine was something she felt compelled to do after her "final" farewell to the recording industry and TTT. As she said, she feels (rightly IMO) that the planet is at "red alert" and she had to get that message out, in the faint but possible hope humanity would wake up and stop ignoring the symptoms of a planet which has been ailing and whose temperature (literally and metaphorically) was rising past the point of no return. As you say there is a heavy dose of what some call negativity - what I call reality - on Shine. But the title of the album and the song itself as you indicated convey hope in their message that if humanity as a whole can stop being so self-absorbed, and be truthful to themselves and others and "shine on" this absurd situation we find ourself in, perhaps some positive change can be made about it. If "inconvenient truths" to borrow Als Gores' line cannot be voiced, how can there ultimately be hope which is a positive thing? If you look carefully, besides the overtly positive song "Hana", - there is hope and positivity in many of the songs which carry the strongest social commentary, as you mentioned Shine for one. "This Place" which was essentially the main subject of my original post, conveys hope as well: He said (Joni's Canadian neighbor), "When I get to heaven, if it is not like this, I'll just hop a cloud and I'm coming right back down here Back to this heavenly bliss." Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place. And the final song which is a rendition of Rudyard Kipling's poem "If" certainly has a positive message, and speaks to me of a humbling of one's own ego, and an enlightened perspective in which seemingly disparate things are not so disparate after all. In a way, kin of like a more explicit version of "Both Sides Now". Most people in the world though are struggling to just get by, to survive, to reproduce as mandated by their DNA (and that of all other living things), and don't have the time or leisure to contemplate these matters and in the process are "making this Earth our funeral Pyre!" That is the reality, call it negative if you must, I still say it has negative implications for the world's peoples and the planet, but it in and of itself is not negative, it is an observation. And if the people cannot respond to a leader who voices the truth - unfortunately the death knell for a politician btw - they will continue to make copies of themselves in exponential numbers until it is too late (arguably it is) - continuing to lay waste to the land from which they came, which sustains them, and to which they will return. You'd think they have some reverence for it. I'm suddenly struck with the lines admittedly taken out of context but expressing the same indignation "Surely to God you'd think some bells would ring!" (TI) about this "Red Alert" the planet is in. But as one person in 6.6 billion and g-r-o-w-i-n-g I don't think my individual actions are that significant at this point. I consider myself an observer, a messenger with exponentially less impact than Joni. So yes there is hope/positivity in the CD. But she is being realistic and she's not delivering the message in a bitter, frustrated, or angry manner, but largely one of acceptance and resolve, which makes it quite palatable. Earlier works which said much the same thing in their different songs and lyrics, unfortunately kept the masses largely tuned out from her superb music and social commentary that was "unpleasant" or boring or irrelevant to them, her "Misses" that were more substantive in her opinion - and mine - than her "Hits". But now those songs are receiving wider recognition, as with H H's Grammy-winning album of the year, which can be seen as a nod from the Recording Academy that her substantive work, largely overlooked at the time, puts current one hit wonders to shame, and as you observed on another post, there is a truth to them that may be hard to digest at the moment in time they find themselves, but they are timeless nonetheless because of such candor. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote in part: > I really do think Shine was something Joni needed to do. It seems, she > has always expressed whatever concerned her the most at whatever time. > That's just what she did with Shine. I can understand Joni not writing > anything new about relationships or this or that being in her 60's. She has > a different outlook, different priorities, and it is safe to say she has > made her mark in music history (though I'd argue her influence will continue > to grow). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:45:37 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Worst Joni covers Ah yes, Help Me ... one of those songs that because of the extreme vocal range and very untraditional music (I'm thinking a lot of minor notes and chords here) ... that would be very difficult for anyone but Joni to pull off. Actually I'm very surprised it was released and viewed as one of her biggest "hits" as it is so unconventional. I'm not certain I want to give "free rent" to those couple of thousand covers, when I now find myself stumbling even to remember botanical latin names of plants I once could deliver with alacrity and I find myself stumbling now to recall... And as far as most of the Spanish I taught myself (being schooled in French - - such a beautiful but ultimately useless language for me - while living in the Great American Southwest, well........fuhgiddaboutit!!!! Mark in Florida NP: Hana (Shine) On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:32 PM, wrote: > I've only heard a couple thousand, so I've got a bit of a head start on > you. > > Keep yourself open to the possibility that some Joni covers surpass Joni's > own recording, some do but I will say NOT MANY. > > k.d. did "Help Me" on that 2000 TNT Tribute, and her studio version of > same made it onto the Joni Tribute CD released last year. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:09:14 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Girls Like Us review You must consider the source, The New York Times, part of the MSM-Behemoth Corporations-Military/Industrial-Government Complex. In that context it's not at all surprising they would say Ms. "King was the best songwriter". She was a veritable factory of #1 chart-topping hits for some time, and Tapestry carried the the best-selling album of all time title for many, many years. So in that context, "best-selling" or "popular" as Bob remarked is most likely the more apt description in view of their inherent bias. Mark in Florida. NP: Two Grey Rooms Bob Muller wrote: > It all depends on how you frame the argument - if you measure a songwriter > by their sales and their ability to write Top 10 hits, then Carole has it > all over Joni, who has *1* Top ten hit to her credit ("Help Me"). > > There are also many more Carole King covers than there are Joni covers. > > All that being said, I would submit that using 'best' in that context was > not a good choice. "Popular" would have been accurate because it's > measurable. "Best" is totally subjective. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:52:35 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us review I'll use the past tense because I'm not familiar with the current work of either. No one was better than Carole King at what she did: wrote songs in a traditional form that hardly ever varied. She wrote about herself, her world, and her feelings with, I'd say, contemporary edge and a contemporary pitch of intimacy...slightly ahead of her time. Her music was hip and with-it; it had a great rocking groove. Most of us here feel that Joni Mitchell attempted, and succeeded at, something quite different. If CK represents "songwriting" then we have a solemn duty to coin a new term for what JM has done. LAHM **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Girls Like Us review Joni herself describes her songs as closest to Richard Strauss' lieder songs. Jerry Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I'll use the past tense because I'm not familiar with the current work of > either. > > No one was better than Carole King at what she did: wrote songs in a > traditional form > that hardly ever varied. She wrote about herself, her world, and her > feelings with, I'd say, contemporary edge and a contemporary pitch of > intimacy...slightly ahead of her time. Her music was hip and with-it; it > had a great > rocking groove. > > Most of us here feel that Joni Mitchell attempted, and succeeded at, > something quite different. If CK represents "songwriting" then we have a > solemn duty > to coin a new term for what JM has done. > > LAHM > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used > car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: MattJones Subject: Joni Video on Youtube...possible old news http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4oY8ojxp_8 i'm sure this has been seen by all, and it's entirely possible I missed the discussion. However, at the risk of being redundant: does anyone know about the origin of this video? I've seen a fragment of another song from the same concert. I wonder if anyone has the whole show or knows why it's not available on DVD! thanks mj ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni Video on Youtube...possible old news Ah yes, a great performance indeed! I wake up every single day wondering why this concert isn't on DVD and I go to sleep every night praying it will be. Ok, I'm exaggerating (only a little, haha) but it really is b-r-i-l-l-i-a-n-t. Love it. -Monika, a groupie of that particular Joni performance MattJones wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4oY8ojxp_8 .. I wonder if anyone has the whole show or knows why it's not available on DVD! thanks mj ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:22:51 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's eighteen bucks > From: Bob Muller > Subject: There's a gypsy down on Bleecker Street > > And apparantly she's still there - Zena the Gypsy located on Bleecker & 7th > Avenue. > Kenny, maybe the next time you venture into the city you can check out > another Joni landmark. Maybe you can get Joni's 18 buck's back. > Bob > I know there was a gypsy/fortune teller on MacDougal Street, just north of Bleeker (near Monte's Restaurant) but I didn't know about Zena at 7th and Bleeker (that would be some pretty steep rent she'd be paying at THAT corner). I will check next time I'm in the area though. Joni's eighteen bucks (with compound interest) ought to be worth quite a bundle by now, eh? Kenny B (just getting back from vacation & catching up on emails/posts) ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:29:31 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us/Laura Nero In a message dated 4/21/08 3:10:49 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > > From: "Jerry Notaro" > > Subject: Re: Girls Like Us > > > > Kate Bennett wrote: > > > >>I'm not sure why Carly was picked for this group. It seems Joan Baez is > >>more deserving to be included with Carole & Joni who were all the musical > >>icons of that time. > > > > > > Or Laura Nyro. Maybe she included Carly instead of Laura because Carly's > > public life was much more glamorous and well known. > > I second Laura. She was truly brilliant. > > If any of you Nyro fans haven't picked up Spread Your Wings And Fly yet, > do so now. It was recorded at the Fillmore East a few weeks before it > was boarded up. > I agree, SYWAF is one of the best live performances I've ever heard (especially if you're a Nyro fan). Incidently, i just found a nice used copy of "Eli & The 13th Confession" on vinyl and couldn't resist buying it for two bucks (even though I already have it on vinyl & CD). If anybody wants it, let me know. Kenny B ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:47:38 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: Joni Video on Youtube...possible old news On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Ah yes, a great performance indeed! I wake up every single day > wondering why this concert isn't on DVD and I go to sleep every night > praying it will be. Ok, I'm exaggerating (only a little, haha) but it > really is b-r-i-l-l-i-a-n-t. Love it. > -Monika, a groupie of that particular Joni performance Amazing vocal range on that video. From the comments: ********* Wow! I saw this show in Nashville, 1974-75. Joni and Tom Scoot and the LA Express?' All about Glenn Frey-- news to me-- but yes it is--I just googled it an found so many articles about it-- wow--- Yeah thisis 174 (sic) --- an her an Glenn frey had a fling an this song is about him---- looks like Tom Scott on tenorsax and RObben Ford on guitar - so maybe around 1974 ? ********** Seems to be a 1974 tour with the LA Express and I didn't know 'til now she was romantically involved with Glen Frey of the Eagles (not like I am shocked though!) I know I saw Joni & the LA Express perform live in Austin, TX - that concert was definitely 1975 or 1976 - at the close of the concert she brought out Bob Dylan - I would have been 15 (or 16) years old at the time. Mark in Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:35:09 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: Re: SJC Timeless On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Mark Scott wrote in part: > > Rickie Lee Jones is another performer that I have come to reverence all > most as much as Joni and there are many of her songs that are the same way. > I call it impressionistic although I don't know if that's the right term to > apply to it. The songs make me feel something. I develop my own > interpretations of what they mean to me. Wow Mark, I just randomly selected her "Flying Cowboys" video last night. VERY IMPRESSIVE. At least to me. I love the song itself, the visuals, her voice (quite unlike Joni's). In the video at least she bears more than a passing resemblance to Joni though, especially the high cheekbones, her mouth, and her face in general. The central theme of the desert is one that has been of necessity a part of my life since my formative years spent in the Middle East. I love the vast open skies and expanses, the aridity, the sense of freedom (for me) that is the desert. It is as if I am being taken back in time, not dissimilar to Joni and her open Canadian prairies. And freedom is an omnipresent theme in Joni's songs, starting with her need for freedom overriding her need to be tied down by some love interest, from which she flees becoming paradoxically a "prisoner of the white lines of the free, freeway" (Hejira) progressing to social commentary regarding our freedoms "While madmen stay up making bombs, and passing laws and bars" (DED)...who is really the terrorist taking away freedoms here? Anyways thanks for that mention of RLJ. I just may have found a new "something to obsess over!" "Flying Cowboys"...what a fantastic song and video!...very much needed btw, at this moment in time in my life. Rickie Lee Jones - Flying Cowboys Mark in Florida. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #47 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------