From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #39 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 22 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 039 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: innocent cats and dogs ["mike pritchard" ] RE: innocent cats and dogs NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Jer=F3nimo?=" ] Re: Judy/joni [Jerry Notaro ] Sandy Denny article - Independent UK ["Barbara Stewart" ] njc/RE: innocent cats and dogs [Jeannie ] NJC, the Dems first TV ad, and MM's latest latter [Patti Parlette ] Re: I Heard It Through The Grapevine [Catherine McKay Subject: RE: innocent cats and dogs >>There are 1,500 shelters for battered women in the United States. There are 3,800 animal shelters (Schneider, 1990).<< mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:04:46 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: innocent cats and dogs NJC Obviously, my bad, njc, sorry. mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:04 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuel_Jer=F3nimo?=" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus Kakki wrote: +Thanks for posting the bit of the interview. Pretty amusing, although I cringed a bit with Joni talking paying for their "private beach." There are no "private beaches" in the islands of Hawaii. They are all public under the law and people even have the right to walk through someone's private yard to get to them. There are lots of ranches in the islands an a long cowboy (called paniolas in Hawaii) tradition going way back. *I recall that most of the original paniolas were Portuguese and they brought the guitar into the Hawaiian music.* There is a whole genre of Hawaiian Country music there, too, which is wonderful. I stayed in Hanalei a few years ago and it is a wonder of the world in beauty. I met a lot of the real locals and musicians hanging out there. It is a very magical place.; ######################################################## Hi Kakki, You're absolutely right: in Portugal we call those guitars "cavaquinhos". They are used mainly in northern folk music. Cheers, Samuel NP: The Blue Nile, "High" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:08:17 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Judy/joni Very pleased about the potential Joni-covers album (if I read that right) from Judy Collins. It's a natural progression: she's done the Dylan album, the Cohen album, the (less necessary) Lennon& McCartney album. And she could do it like she did with Cohen - take the handful she's got (BSN, Chelsea Morning, Michael from M, For Free, Midway..did I miss any) and add a bigger handful. But choose wisely, Ms Collins - and imaginatively (and we can help you, if you like!) I remember hearing her on a BBC 'Top 12' (choose your favourite tracks) radio programme a long long time ago - I think she chose 'That Song about the Midway' then, and said she'd do a lot more Joni songs if Joni hadn't already sung the definitive versions. Well, it's a point. ( and so Oh wouldn't it be sweet and sensible if she delved into the unrecorded archives, as some enlightened devotee-artists are beginning to do. Couldn't you hear her pull out a great 'Melody in your Name'or even 'Winter Lady'?. I know, I know, I'm a man obsessed) Still, even if she goes for more obvious choices (place your bets ladies and gentlemen) for all Judy's apparent 'straightness' of delivery, she's still a great great interpretive singer, and the body of work she's compiling now, if she does it with soul and sensitivity, could have as much credibility in years to come as Ella Fitzgerald's great 'Songbook' series, and they way that has helped to honour the great outputs of Gershwin, Porter etc. Love to all Jeff, Wales longtime lurker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:44:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy/joni Great post, Jeff. You need to delurk more often. As per you Ella remarks, I couldn't agree more. As Maureen McGovern says, these are " the second half of the Great American Songbook." I really like that description. Jerry > Very pleased about the potential Joni-covers album (if I read that right) > from Judy Collins. > It's a natural progression: she's done the Dylan album, the Cohen album, the > (less necessary) Lennon& McCartney album. And she could do it like she did > with Cohen - take the handful she's got (BSN, Chelsea Morning, Michael from > M, For Free, Midway..did I miss any) and add a bigger handful. But choose > wisely, Ms Collins - and imaginatively (and we can help you, if you like!) > > I remember hearing her on a BBC 'Top 12' (choose your favourite tracks) > radio programme a long long time ago - I think she chose 'That Song about > the Midway' then, and said she'd do a lot more Joni songs if Joni hadn't > already sung the definitive versions. Well, it's a point. ( and so Oh > wouldn't it be sweet and sensible if she delved into the unrecorded > archives, as some enlightened devotee-artists are beginning to do. Couldn't > you hear her pull out a great 'Melody in your Name'or even 'Winter Lady'?. I > know, I know, I'm a man obsessed) > > Still, even if she goes for more obvious choices (place your bets ladies and > gentlemen) for all Judy's apparent 'straightness' of delivery, she's still a > great great interpretive singer, and the body of work she's compiling now, > if she does it with soul and sensitivity, could have as much credibility in > years to come as Ella Fitzgerald's great 'Songbook' series, and they way > that has helped to honour the great outputs of Gershwin, Porter etc. > Love to all > Jeff, Wales > longtime lurker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:11:34 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Sandy Denny article - Independent UK There is a piece about Sandy in today's Independent newspaper. You can read it online here: http://tinyurl.com/4xy47g (thx to a friend on the Fairport Convention list). B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: LOL for free, njc From the free online dictionary: LOL Laugh Out Loud LOL Life of Loan (banking) LOL Labor of Love LOL Lack of Laughter (less common) LOL Lack of Love (game) LOL Ladies of Lallybroch LOL Lady of the Lake LOL Land O' Lakes LOL Land of Legends (Canandaigua Speedway, New York) LOL Land of Lincoln LoL Lands of Lore (game) LOL Language of Literature LOL Language of Love LOL Last or Least LOL Laughing On Line LOL Lautes Online Lachen (German: Loud Online Laughter) LOL Laws of Life LOL Lawyers on Line LoL League of Lightness (gaming clan) LOL League of Losers (wild 17 chess team) LOL Leaning Over Laughing LOL Learn Online LOL Legend of Legaia (video game) LOL Legend of Lothian (computer game) LOL Less Of Lip LOL Lewd Obscene Language LOL Life of the Land LOL Lightolier (Genlyte Group company) LOL Limited Operation Life LOL Limited Operational Life LOL Lips on Lips LOL List Of Lights LOL List of Links LOL List of Lists LOL Little Old Lady LOL Live-On-Line LOL Living on Line LOL Load of Laughs LOL Loads of Love LOL Locks of Love (Lake Worth, Florida charity) LOL Log On Later LOL Longitudinal Output Level LOL Lord of Life (Church) LOL Lord of Lords (Jesus) LOL Lord Oh Lord LOL Lords of Legend (gaming) LOL Loser on Line LOL Loss of Life (insurance) LOL Loss of Light LOL Loss of Line (telephony) LOL Loss of Load LOL Loss of Lock LOL Lot of Lamers LOL Lots of Lag (on-line gaming) LOL Lots Of Laughs LOL Lots of Laughter LOL Lots of Losers (Rocket Arena 3 clan) LOL Lots Of Love LOL Lots Of Luck LOL Love of Life LOL Love of Literacy (teaching) LOL Love On Line LOL Love Our Lord LOL Lovelock, Derby Field Airport, Nevada (IATA code) LOL Low Order Language LOL Lower Operating Limit LOL Loyal Orange Lodge LOL Lunatics on Line LOL Lying Out Loud ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: njc/RE: innocent cats and dogs Mike, there can be no reasonable comparison to how many battered women's shelters there are to the number of animal shelters exist. People, if they can express themselves and search for a way out of an abusive relationship, can find a way out and a place to stay. Animals have no voice and as long as I live I shall always be a voice for the voiceless, be them from the human chain or for the innocent animals that live. My doors are open to any battered woman or child I come across and have let them stay with me until I find a feasible option. It's not easy, believe me, to help this way. This Pope made a comment along these lines complaining Catholics are wrong if they care more for the well-being of animals before humans. He soon retracted his statements, citing animal abuses in China and other nations, saying that the way a society treats its animals, is indicative of the way it treats its citizens. In my dreams, I wish I could work in a shelter for all the unborn babies who are killed in the womb, but there is no such a place. Who can speak or care for them? What about abused children? The doors to help those little ones living in a human hell-hole are nearly always closed until tragedy strikes. You can get animal cruelty to intervene faster than you can the children's protective agencies. Once children are property of the state, another strategy for survival begins with all of its abuses and that's not easy for them. If I could see between these tears which just began as I thought of Joni's lyrics in Cherokee Louise, I would type them in this post, but I can't---maybe later. Jeannie Jeannie mike pritchard wrote: >>There are 1,500 shelters for battered women in the United States. There are 3,800 animal shelters (Schneider, 1990).<< mike in bcn ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:50:42 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC, the Dems first TV ad, and MM's latest latter WARNING: CONTENT IS PURELY POLITICAL Sorry, sorry, sorry! I just couldn't hold it in. (I've been trying -- really!) 1. The Democrats are releasing "our first national television ad of the presidential cycle highlighting how little John McCain understands the economy." https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute/support?source=NETA753 You cannot be trusted Do you even know you're lying It's dangerous to kid yourself You go deaf and dumb and blind. Wouldn't it be a thing that's unique and new to have a leader who doesn't lie to us? Imagine the possibilities! We could solve some real problems if we acknowledged them. NPIMH: I said send me somebody, who's strong, and somewhat sincere..... 2. Also, Michael Moore came out with his endorsement today, fwiw. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225 (Monika and Deb and Laura, be forewarned that he is hard on Hillary. Forgive me. I have NO intention of offending you. You know that!) This part blew me away: "Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!" But no, Obama won't throw that at her. It wouldn't be right. It wouldn't be decent. She's been through enough hurt. And so he remains silent and takes the mud she throws in his face. That's why the crowds who come to see him are so large. That's why he'll take us down a more decent path." **** I am really impressed with that. Character. Decency. "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Maybe the dream is closer to coming true? Impossible Dreamers, I know, I know, orbiting around the sun Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back upuse SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:17:18 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: RE: Hanging out with Paz and the PHJB (njc) My wonderful Patti! Thank you for your kind words! My praise for Paz comes from the heart. I am so glad that Herbie Hancock said what he did. He is so right. How wonderful! Yes, I have been briefer than a falling star with my Joni Amigos. I am so sorry for that. I've been really working hard to raise funds for recording among other things. One thing that bassist Walter Peyton from the Preservation Hall Band said to me when we met was, "Don't give up...don't ever give up..." and I don't intend to. My heart has been here as I have completed part of a song about Joni. I want so much for it to be joyful and from the heart. She has inspired me so much just to keep on keeping on! Even looking at her art gives inspiration. Her life gives inspiration. I am a Jonilista forever! So please keep me near your heart because even if you don't hear from me, I'm never too far away from Joni Land! Love, SherellePatti wrote:> > > > Sherelle, ma belle, these are words that go together well, my Sherelle:> > > "I have such a deep respect and admiration for the Preservation Hall Jazz Band,> for Paz' role in it and for what they are trying to do which is preserve a> very important musical legacy. I applaud them for their courage to keep on> keeping on in the face of loss and tragedy. I support them any way I can. Most> of all, I am so proud of my dear friend and want to let him know this, "Paz,> you are making a difference and I am so, so very proud of you!".> > ****> > Well, THERE you are! Sweet songbird you are, you've been briefer than a falling> star lately! (No regrets, Coyote, we know you are busy.)> > I love how you are "feeling proud, to say "I love you" right> out loud" to Paz like this. Kakki, didn't you tell us that Herbie talked about> compassion and *encouraging*? Encouragement is so important. We all need someone> we can lean on, to encourage us. "I need your confidence baby, and the> gift of your extra time", you know?> > Paz, for making a difference on this marbled bowling ball, here is a little gift for you:> an article on New Orleans from my paper today. I thought of you when I read it, and> thought you'd like to know that there is a round resounding for New Orleans for you,> way up here in New England.> > I like this writer a lot. He used to be a regular, but was let go when the huge Tribune/company> store took over. Now he just writes "specials".> > http://www.courant.com/travel/hc-travneworleans.artapr20,0,1238607.story> > Snippets for those with no time on their hands:> > "New Orleans is a glorious place to visit, and it's easy to see how people become enraptured> with its spirit, history, culture and amazing sense of life. The strength and courage and sense> of fun that the people here bring to moving away from their problems is a thing of beauty.> > The more those of us from afar get to see that, the better everyone will be, for there's a lovely> message being delivered here: The good times do roll."> > Laissez les bon temps roulez!> > And one more:> > "Probably, you can be dropped into so many cities and not really know which you are in, areas of a Chicago or Dubuque or neighborhoods in Seattle or New Haven looking so alike. But in New Orleans you always know you are in New Orleans." (GD TIC: "Chicago, New York, Detroit it's all on the same street> Your typical city involved in a typical daydream..." New Orleans is not your typical city.)> > Keep on truckin', Paz!> > Love,> > Patti P.> > > > _________________________________________________________________> Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.> http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: I Heard It Through The Grapevine I was just reading the latest addition to the JMDL library and noticed in 1983 Joni did a cover of "I Heard It Through The Grapevine." Does anyone know where I can find a recording of this to listen to? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Oh Canada http://www.myspace.com/robinsparkles It does not matter if you are on MySpace or not. You can still view the page and watch the "brilliant" video "Sandcastles Made In The Sand." Ah, good times. -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I Heard It Through The Grapevine - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > I was just reading the latest addition to the JMDL > library and noticed in 1983 Joni did a cover of "I > Heard It Through The Grapevine." Does anyone know > where I can find a recording of this to listen to? > Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. > -Monika > Monika and anyone else that wants it, here is an mp3 of Joni singing "Grapevine" in Toronto, July 12, 1983: http://download.yousendit.com/5CAFD046660219FD Enjoy! Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:22:39 -0400 From: "Mark Angelo" Subject: And I thought of Anna wild and dear (TTT) I was just out on my small little patio watering the plants, and I saw a plane high above "go blinking by". How long before what is essentially "time travel" in these aluminum tubes nad lately missiles become only a thing for the elite as there is nothing but (formerly) cheap fossil fuel that gives them their gravity-defying abilities? I'm about two hours north of Orlando and this part of Florida is heavily forested, but I can clearly see the jets as they make their approach (still at high altitude) to Orlando. I had thought I would be moving back to Arizona (I'm allergic to humidity it seems) and spent a couple of weeks at my parents' (yes it was a nightmare) further south in Ocala where you can see two distinct lines as some jets make their war towards Orlando and the others towards Tampa. Anyways I felt pressured to find homes for some of my cats as they weren't welcome (to put it mildly) by my parents and found homes for Frances the Ragdoll kitten and Sorrel my 6 year old Himalayan from Tucson. I had two 12 year old Himalayans from Phoenix, and one of them went missing. I found Sophie the next day, she had gotten out somehow and had hidden up on the front axle of the car. So I'm still reeling from that event of March 16. I've had plenty of sympathies thrown in with one "why wasn't she in a cage" remark, none of it means much now... She was ill, she probably didn't have a lot of time left ...this is true. But right now it's still like that scene out of "Adaptation" (wonderful movie) to me where Meryl Streep's soon-to-be Orchid-hunting lover is backing out and his mother is in the back of the car and I believe that a truck collides with the rear of his car in the scene. "People will tell you where they've been, they'll tell you where to go, but til you get there yourself, you never really know". Amelia, I've always loved the song and have always thought of those lines in terms of geography but now I'm thinking they can be emotional references as well. That's the beauty of Joni's lyrics, they continually take on new meanings as we meander through this world of ours hopefully becoming wiser (the name Sophie is from the Latin for knowledge...hence philo sophy, French savoir, Spanish saber). I named her after the movie "Sophie's Choice", another favorite of mine, though the best movie Oscar could have justifiably gone to "Frances" that same year, instead the Academy gave the nod by giving one to Jessica Lange for her supporting role in Tootsie. So anyways I was thinking of Sophie and Sorrel today, the kitten I really did not have that much time to become so attached to. And the TTT reference "and I thought of Anna, wild and dear"...just as was Sorrel. She had to go running about outside everyday, much to my dismay, hated being held, and would leave my hands tattered after trying to comb the mats from her. But I underestimated the affection I had for her after 6 years of raising her. I guess kind of like when Joni threw Nietzche out of the front door, and ended up writing Man From Mars during the two weeks or so he went missing. I fall apart Everytime I think of you Swallowed by the dark There is no center to my life now No grace in my heart ... the description is so apt I can't add anything more... So the lyrics from TTT were playing in my mind while outside tonight. I watched the stars chuck down their spears And a plane went blinking by And I thought of Anna Wild and dear Like fireworks in the sky Fireworks in the sky I'm so sick of this game It's hip, it's hot Life's too short, the whole thing's gotten Boring! The old man is snoring And I'm taming the tiger (you can't tame the tiger) Tiger, tiger burning bright Nice, kitty kitty (boring!) TTT is an obvious reference to her cats, and a no-holds-barred condemnation of the recording industry. I've always wondered if it was speaking of something larger, our wasteful Wester "civilization" which throws away 99 percent of what it buys within 6 months maybe? Maybe it was simply the recording industry and I'm reading too much into it. I have never understood "The old man is snoring" reference though and would love to know what that is about. Mark in Florida. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #39 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------