From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #32 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 15 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 032 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 [Paul Ingles ] The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion [Rian Afriadi ] Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion [FMYFL@aol.com] njc, tragedy at my Mermaid Cafe/Barangrill [Patti Parlette ] Re: Night Ride Home locus (NJC) [Bruce Eggleston ] A digital music tragedy [MattJones ] Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni [Patti Parlette ] Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion now NJC really [Cath] Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) [] NJC Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) [Bob Muller Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Tuesday Night on KALW 91.7 in San Francisco 9pm The Emergence of Joni Mitchell b Produced and hosted by Paul Ingles, this two-hour examination of one of the most heralded songwriters of our time mixes Joni Mitchell's music with informed commentary from musicians, fans, music critics, and archival interviews with Mitchell herself. Paul Ingles Independent Producer www.paulingles.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. What is your opinion about the song? The lyric, the music, the intro (where Joni sounded so girlie but then started the song with a very low note)... Is this song one of Joni's weakest song? My opinion: Not my favorite. In fact, i hate the "youwantyouwantyouwant". Lyrically, the song would fit CMIARS better. And, yes, i think this is one of Joni's weakest song. Tell me yours... Rian NP. Yoko Ono - Death of Samantha ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:18:48 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Are they online? I'd love to hear it if they are!!! Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 15/04/2008, Paul Ingles wrote: > Tuesday Night on KALW 91.7 in San Francisco > > 9pm The Emergence of Joni Mitchell b Produced and hosted by Paul > Ingles, this two-hour examination of one of the most heralded songwriters > of our time mixes Joni Mitchell's music with informed commentary from > musicians, fans, music critics, and archival interviews with Mitchell > herself. > > Paul Ingles > Independent Producer > www.paulingles.com > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:24:15 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Oh golly, I hate this song. A rich woman writing a protest song about the maid. It's like a bad parody. At 08:12 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything >for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:23:58 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Back in the 80's when Joni was being taken to court by this that and the other for whatever reason, her Guatemalan maid was sneaking off on holiday when she said she was going home to her parents. They had an argument, they fell out, the maid painted her piano brown so Joni kicked her in the shins. The maid sued, Joni counter-sued. They settled out of court. I guess she couldn't write about it or publish it until it was settled. At first I thought this song was about Larry Klein!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL But I guess this makes sense. I think I've got the chronology right. Whether it's the same maid that she kicked in the shins as the one the painted her piano brown.... I guess the intro is referring to Elvis buying cars for his hired staff... Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 15/04/2008, Rian Afriadi wrote: > i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. > > What is your opinion about the song? The lyric, the music, the intro (where Joni sounded so girlie but then started the song with a very low note)... > Is this song one of Joni's weakest song? > > My opinion: > Not my favorite. In fact, i hate the "youwantyouwantyouwant". Lyrically, the song would fit CMIARS better. And, yes, i think this is one of Joni's weakest song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:29:53 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Have to agree with Deb. Joni should have buried this one after getting rid of her rage. Jerry > Oh golly, I hate this song. A rich woman writing a protest song > about the maid. It's like a bad parody. > > > At 08:12 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: >> i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything >> for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:43:16 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion yeah... I think she made it universal enough in the lyric but when it's in the news and in interviews... you kinda know that this song is in direct reference to this incident... really... she shoulda stayed schtum. Unless she wanted it aired to say her side of the story... I guess that's why I thought it was about Larry being lazy and not doing much 'husbanding'. ;-) Zooby On 15/04/2008, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Have to agree with Deb. Joni should have buried this one after getting rid > of her rage. > > Jerry > > > > > Oh golly, I hate this song. A rich woman writing a protest song > > about the maid. It's like a bad parody. > > > > > > At 08:12 AM 4/15/2008, you wrote: > >> i have a feeling that none ever mentioned The Windfall (everything > >> for nothing) on the list. So, let me bring the song here. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Deb Messling -^..^- > > dlmessling@rcn.com > > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: lyric that sucks, njc the ugliest lyric ever was made by betharia sonatha, an indonesian female singer, with type of music similar to debbie gibson's or tiffany's. melancholic pop song. the lyric was sooo ugly that the government (it was soeharto regime -- early 90s) banned it because the gov feared the song would melancholize the nation. silly! rian np. the windfall (everything for nothin) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:00:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion YUCK, YUCK, and a half a YUCK! Jimmy ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:09:50 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, tragedy at my Mermaid Cafe/Barangrill Dear Joniamigos: I'm feeling rather insettled this morning, having been up half the night in the studios waiting for news (with friends and kin calling, all emotions and abstractions), and then spending a night fraught with nightmares -- ducking under cars to dodge bullets. (My talking as it rambles now tells you that the story is pasted below.) I go to this place often: The Bidwell Tavern, established in 1822. I stopped there two Saturday nights ago on the way home from Stop-Loss, to hear Emely Ann, who does great Joni covers, and a killer Janis Joplin, and more. She is also a total sweetheart to talk to. (She said to say hello, Covers' King!) http://cdbaby.com/cd/emelyanne (See Muller's review!) I brought my parents there many times, my sons bring me there for Mothers' Day, I've had little reunions there w/ h.s. friends I haven't seen in years, workplace/grad student get-togethers, etc. I had dinner there with Mary (who some of you met at Carnegie Hall & Seppi's) just last week. It's myspace. I'm glad I wasn't there last night. People were terrified. The locals were shaking on the floor. If you wanted me, I would have been under the bar with the rest of them. "Whooooo could imagine, they would freak out in" Coventry, Coventry, Coventry? Sending up prayers for all those involved, esp. the mother (she is in extremely critical condition this morning) and her two little boys, Patti P., three miles from the scene of the tragedy, in what is known as "The Quiet Corner" of CT Man Allegedly Shoots Girlfriend In Coventry By STEPHANIE SUMMERS | Courant Staff Writer April 15, 2008 COVENTRY - A man allegedly shot and critically wounded his girlfriend, then threatened to shoot himself while holding his infant son during a standoff Monday that forced frightened patrons of a Main Street tavern to huddle underneath the bar for safety. Police subdued the 41-year-old man with a Taser after persuading him to drop the gun and release the child in a parking lot behind the Bidwell Tavern, Coventry Police Chief Mark Palmer said. The child was taken to an area hospital but appeared to be unharmed, Palmer said. The woman was flown by helicopter to Hartford Hospital, but neither her condition nor her identity was released. The shooting is believed to have occurred in the couple's apartment above a liquor store. The man was in custody and charges were pending Monday night, Palmer said. Police did not release his identity. The suspect, a tavern employee known as "Junior," came into the tavern with blood spots all over him, another restaurant worker told the Associated Press. She said he was holding his 1-year-old child and a gun and asked to use the phone. "He said he killed Amanda," she said. Palmer said the man was talking with police while moving from parking lot to parking lot between the restaurant and the Bidwell Spirit Shoppe nearby. "He was very mobile. He was moving around quite a bit," Palmer said. The rustic tavern near Wangumbaug Lake is a popular gathering spot for local residents and students. A restaurant patron, celebrating her upcoming wedding with friends, said about 50 to 60 patrons were ordered by staff to the front of the restaurant. After huddling around the bar, she said they were moved to the basement, away from windows and doors. A boy of about 5 years old, who appeared to be the son of the couple, was soothed by restaurant staff as he waited with the patrons, the witness said. Brett Giglio, head chef at the Bidwell, knew the suspect and tried to intervene in the parking lot. He was being questioned by police. "Initially just three of our officers responded and they did a good job of containing this guy and keeping him from harming himself or anyone else," Palmer said. Officers were called to the area at 5:45 after getting reports of gunshots and a man with a gun in a parking lot at 1218 Main St. Both the infant and the boy were in protective custody Monday night, police said. The state police major crimes unit is investigating the incident with Coventry police and the state's attorney's office. In addition to local police, officers from four other jurisdictions responded: state police, University of Connecticut police and municipal officers from Vernon and Manchester. The activity was highly unusual in this quiet community of about 12,000 residents just southeast of the University of Connecticut's Storrs campus. **** Sorry for the heavy company. _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion I have to say, I'm a little fascinated by the maid painting the piano brown thing. That's so crazy that its almost brilliant. Just that one thing deserves a song, or a painting. But a good one! It deserves a "Guernica", lol!! Never heard the song you all are referring to....those are waters I'm not even tempted to wade. :) Em I have a Sportster ON PURPOSE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Can anyone please direct me to more detailed info re: the piano painting incident??? I've become fascinated, suddenly, by this. thanks! Em - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > But I guess this makes sense. I think I've got the chronology right. > Whether it's the same maid that she kicked in the shins as the one > the > painted her piano brown.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:22:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion It's like when someone makes you SO mad you write a letter or an email to vent your anger - and then you destroy it instead of sending it. Joni shouldn't have clicked send on this one. "you'd eat your young alive, for a Jaguar in the drive"...talk about weak lyrics. Bob NP: Joni, "Tea Leaf Prophecy" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:29:00 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion It's from an interview that I read somewhere... it must be on jm.com perhaps search for the words 'painted piano brown' and it will give you several articles, possibly. I'm not sure if they are related though, my Joni-Trivia isn't as good as it used to be! Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 15/04/2008, Em wrote: > Can anyone please direct me to more detailed info re: the piano > painting incident??? > I've become fascinated, suddenly, by this. > thanks! > Em > > --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > > > But I guess this makes sense. I think I've got the chronology right. > > Whether it's the same maid that she kicked in the shins as the one > > the > > painted her piano brown.... > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:41:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion found this: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1368 heck of an interview.. - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > It's from an interview that I read somewhere... it must be on jm.com > perhaps search for the words 'painted piano brown' and it will give > you several articles, possibly. I'm not sure if they are related > though, my Joni-Trivia isn't as good as it used to be! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:54:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: (NJC) JMDL Obama supporters ... <... probably won't like me for posting this, but ...> I didn't think it was any big deal, Lori - of course Clinton and Obama are not the progressive candidate that the far-left wants. Kucinich probably filled the bill better than anyone, and you can clearly see how much traction HE got with the bulk of American voters...1-5% of Democrats, 0% of Republicans. In a country that still pays WAY too much attention to a 2000-year-old book of mythology, it's awfully tough to move things forward. Bob NP: Thom Yorke, "Analyse" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:50:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Thanks for the link to the article. Interesting that the maid painted Joni's piano brown. I can understand Joni's anger in that though. If anyone even touched my guitar without permission, they'd be in for it. I don't think I'd kick anyone, as my track record has no hitting or kicking of any kind since I was a child (and then only my brother who always attacked me first), but I'd definitely be pissed off enough to give 'em a good dose of verbal abuse...and of course this person would need to get me a new guitar. Of course I don't like anyone touching (aka moving) any of my stuff (mild case of OCD) and I ALWAYS know when someone does. So in Joni's defense I can understand her anger at that. Although I would agree with most who say it should not have been a song. -M Em wrote: found this: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1368 heck of an interview.. - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > It's from an interview that I read somewhere... it must be on jm.com > perhaps search for the words 'painted piano brown' and it will give > you several articles, possibly. I'm not sure if they are related > though, my Joni-Trivia isn't as good as it used to be! between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion oh I can totally understand it too! But what a weird thing to do, right? Its like something a child would do. Almost innocent. ALtho I'm certain from the bit I've read that the maid was far from innocent. But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the decision to paint the piano brown. Its like something someone seriously on drugs would do. Or someone completely child-like. Would be funny if Joni had a "Cato" like in the The Pink Panther flicks - - she'd come home and the Cato would, say, jump out of the shadows onto her.... an imp-like servant. anyway.... - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Thanks for the link to the article. Interesting that the maid > painted Joni's piano brown. I can understand Joni's anger in that > though. If anyone even touched my guitar without permission, they'd > be in for it. I don't think I'd kick anyone, as my track record has > no hitting or kicking of any kind since I was a child (and then only > my brother who always attacked me first), but I'd definitely be > pissed off enough to give 'em a good dose of verbal abuse...and of > course this person would need to get me a new guitar. Of course I > don't like anyone touching (aka moving) any of my stuff (mild case of > OCD) and I ALWAYS know when someone does. > So in Joni's defense I can understand her anger at that. > Although I would agree with most who say it should not have been a > song. > -M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC was Lyricists - now George Harrison I'd even go as far as saying that All Things Must Pass is the best post Beatles album of all the post Beatle albums. In fact, this was one of those rare albums that I was blown away by on first listen. I was seriously impressed and still am. Even when I first started getting into John Lennon's solo work, I was a little hesitant I'm afraid. I remember hearing the compilation (Lennon Legend I believe) first and feeling a little lukewarm about it all. Of course now I do enjoy a good portion of Lennon's solo work but I'll say Plastic Ono Band is far better than Imagine. That isn't to say ALL of George Harrison's work is stellar, he's got some songs (and even a couple of albums) I'm not thrilled about but the majority of it is good. Definitely underrated. And of course he was smart enough not to let just anyone in on his recording sessions (ahem John recording albums with Yoko....who has no talent.....and I'm not just saying that as if I'm in the school of hating Yoko but for the fact that when she screams, she hurts my ears...I can't even call it singing). -M David Eoll wrote: Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > I may be more prone to talking about George because it is almost a > given that you're supposed to respect John Lennon. George has it > a bit tougher. My feelings exactly. I get the impression that after 12 years of living in the shadow of two songwriting giants, and settling for the 2 songs, or so, per album they let him do, George was bursting with creative energy. All four former Beatles put out albums in 1970 and I think George's All Things Must Pass is far and away the best. And its a triple album, if you include the third disc of jams with members of Derek & the Dominoes, Cream, and Traffic. The other "other Beatle", Ringo, also had a productive post-Beatle year, putting out 2 albums in 1970. The second one, Beaucoups of Blues, is quite good, IMHO. Cheers, David between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Yes indeed, very strange and childish! But perhaps there was some reasoning in it. Here's what I speculate. Perhaps the maid wanted to really piss off Joni for whatever reason. So how do you piss off a musician, any musician really the most? Tamper with their equipment! Now the maid probably didn't want to actually sabotage or smash up any of Joni's music gear because she maybe thought she'd get in actual trouble for something like that. So what does she do? Paint the piano! Why brown? How did she come up with that idea? I don't know. But maybe she thought she'd piss Joni off a good deal, get fired of course, but that would have been the end of it since surely a woman of that amount of wealth could easily get a new piano or paint it back. So almost innocent indeed but of course it didn't end just there. -M, who thinks it is funny we are discussing Joni's maid! LOL. Em wrote: oh I can totally understand it too! But what a weird thing to do, right? Its like something a child would do. Almost innocent. ALtho I'm certain from the bit I've read that the maid was far from innocent. But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the decision to paint the piano brown. Its like something someone seriously on drugs would do. Or someone completely child-like. Would be funny if Joni had a "Cato" like in the The Pink Panther flicks - - she'd come home and the Cato would, say, jump out of the shadows onto her.... an imp-like servant. anyway.... between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:13:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: njc: lyrics that suck , neil young edition Although I love the song Sugar Mountain, at the top of my list for bad lyrics is a line from that song- 'underneath the stairs, giving back some glares' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion now NJC really it could be a scene in a play. Even an important scene. Where the main character sits down all messed up, to play or compose in dim light and something doesn't quite sound right. She flicks the lights on and discovers MY GOD THE PIANO HAS BEEN PAINTED BROWN!!!!!!! A breakdown occurs and the character herself is nearly ruined by this shock, but goes through all that stuff, and eventually gets up, wipes away the tears and snot, etc... and writes a song ANYWAY on a brown-painted, acoustically deadened instrument. She works with what she's got, which, at some point, we all pretty much have to do anyway. God that felt good!!!!! ok sorry. back to your regularly scheduled programming.... ;) em - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Yes indeed, very strange and childish! But perhaps there was > some reasoning in it. Here's what I speculate. Perhaps the maid > wanted to really piss off Joni for whatever reason. So how do you > piss off a musician, any musician really the most? Tamper with their > equipment! Now the maid probably didn't want to actually sabotage or > smash up any of Joni's music gear because she maybe thought she'd get > in actual trouble for something like that. So what does she do? > Paint the piano! Why brown? How did she come up with that idea? I > don't know. But maybe she thought she'd piss Joni off a good deal, > get fired of course, but that would have been the end of it since > surely a woman of that amount of wealth could easily get a new piano > or paint it back. So almost innocent indeed but of course it didn't > end just there. > -M, who thinks it is funny we are discussing Joni's maid! LOL. > > Em wrote: > oh I can totally understand it too! > > But what a weird thing to do, right? Its like something a child would > do. Almost innocent. ALtho I'm certain from the bit I've read that > the > maid was far from innocent. > But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. > What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the > decision to paint the piano brown. > Its like something someone seriously on drugs would do. Or someone > completely child-like. > > Would be funny if Joni had a "Cato" like in the The Pink Panther > flicks > - she'd come home and the Cato would, say, jump out of the shadows > onto > her.... > an imp-like servant. > > anyway.... > > > between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:38:33 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Maybe the maid was familiar with I had a king (who painted the pastell walls brown). Maybe Joni doesn't like that colour, and the maid knew it. - - I also cringed when I first heard that song, and I usually skip it. Joni seems to be so strangely unaware of social issues within her immediate environment. I can understand her anger at the maid's behaviour but I don't understand why Joni can't see the maid's point. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 15 april 2008 17:06 Till: Joni people!; Em Dmne: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion Yes indeed, very strange and childish! But perhaps there was some reasoning in it. Here's what I speculate. Perhaps the maid wanted to really piss off Joni for whatever reason. So how do you piss off a musician, any musician really the most? Tamper with their equipment! Now the maid probably didn't want to actually sabotage or smash up any of Joni's music gear because she maybe thought she'd get in actual trouble for something like that. So what does she do? Paint the piano! Why brown? How did she come up with that idea? I don't know. But maybe she thought she'd piss Joni off a good deal, get fired of course, but that would have been the end of it since surely a woman of that amount of wealth could easily get a new piano or paint it back. So almost innocent indeed but of course it didn't end just there. -M, who thinks it is funny we are discussing Joni's maid! LOL. Em wrote: oh I can totally understand it too! But what a weird thing to do, right? Its like something a child would do. Almost innocent. ALtho I'm certain from the bit I've read that the maid was far from innocent. But I just wonder how it occured to her to do that particular thing. What would be the thought process by which one would arrive at the decision to paint the piano brown. Its like something someone seriously on drugs would do. Or someone completely child-like. Would be funny if Joni had a "Cato" like in the The Pink Panther flicks - - she'd come home and the Cato would, say, jump out of the shadows onto her.... an imp-like servant. anyway.... between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:46:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Night Ride Home locus I had the same cringe as you Kakki. I wasn't sure about Hawaii's beaches being public the way they are here. A very wealthy (by divorce) woman moved to SB (home of many wealthy ones) from elsewhere & tried by law to keep people off her 'beach'. Took a lot of heat for that but she's gone on to be quite a villainess in many other ways. Speaking of the Hawaiian cowboys, some local SB filmmakers have created a number of dvds about the early cowboy days in California & Nevada (Vaqueros) & their latest is about Hawaii (Holo Holo Paniolo) which is about the Vaqueros going over to Hawaii & bringing guitars. The Vaqueros were part of California before it was part of the USA & so most of the influence was from Mexico but they had many Spanish Barbs (horses) so perhaps many of them were also Portuguese. Also I think the line "we love the open road' refers to a more general idea- open road meaning getting out & seeing the sights kind of driving. Combined with 'I love the man beside me' it isn't so specific to Hawaii but Hawaii is part of it. Kate Kakki >Thanks for posting the bit of the interview. Pretty amusing, although I cringed a bit with Joni talking paying for their "private beach." There are no "private beaches" in the islands of Hawaii. They are all public under the law and people even have the right to walk through someone's private yard to get to them. There are lots of ranches in the islands an a long cowboy (called paniolas in Hawaii) tradition going way back. I recall that most of the original paniolas were Portuguese and they brought the guitar into the Hawaiian music.< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:04:47 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus (NJC) In the last few years I've gotten into Hawaiian music through the late great IZ, George Helms and others. I find the slack key guitar facinating. Kakki's statement below about the Portuguese bringing the guitar to Hawaii brought this meidtation. Pity those of us on the mainland, the Ibereans brought us armour and the long knife and the battle horse, the blessed Islanders got the guitar. What a greater world this would be if they had shipped a boatload or two of guitars to the mainland. Just as I wrote the above, the infamously kitschey song "We Built This City" (On Rock and Roll) came on my stereo. Is this sychronocity or my poor taste in music? Bonneville Bruce NPIMH: "Taxman" The Beatles and "Tax Free" > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:32:18 -0700 > From: > Subject: Night Ride Home locus > > Thanks for posting the bit of the interview. Pretty amusing, > although I > cringed a bit with Joni talking paying for their "private beach." > There are > no "private beaches" in the islands of Hawaii. They are all public > under the > law and people even have the right to walk through someone's > private yard to > get to them. There are lots of ranches in the islands an a long > cowboy > (called paniolas in Hawaii) tradition going way back. I recall > that most of > the original paniolas were Portuguese and they brought the guitar > into the > Hawaiian music. There is a whole genre of Hawaiian Country music > there, too, > which is wonderful. I stayed in Hanalei a few years ago and it is > a wonder of > the world in beauty. I met a lot of the real locals and musicians > hanging out > there. It is a very magical place. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:29:56 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" <<< So what does she do? Paint the piano! Why brown? How did she come up with that idea? >>> Perhaps the maid was a Joni fan after all and knew from listening to "I Had a King" that painting it brown would really hit a nerve? I will write separately regarding what I think of The Windfall. Cassy NP Big Head Todd and the Monsters - Groove Thing ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:49:23 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Looks like you can stream it here, but it's a 5 hour stream, starting with 2 hours of Paul Simon, then the Joni show. (You can become a member for $20 to overcome this arrangement) http://musicsojourn.com/POD/Prog/PI/index.htm There's also an 8:30 min sampler of the show (Mp3): http://www.paulingles.com/media/JoniMitchellSampler.mp3 Mr. Ingles interviewed some jmdl notables for his show; Ashara, listmaster Les, Sue McNamara Splash page for the show: http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html RR > Are they online? I'd love to hear it if they are!!! > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zooby > > On 15/04/2008, Paul Ingles wrote: >> Tuesday Night on KALW 91.7 in San Francisco >> >> 9pm The Emergence of Joni Mitchell b Produced and hosted by Paul >> Ingles, this two-hour examination of one of the most heralded songwriters ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: MattJones Subject: A digital music tragedy This is a call for help from any kind souls on the list who might be able to help me. I recently lost my ENTIRE digital music library due to a computer crash. I've taken my external harddrive to some computer-savvy folks, and they tell me it's impossible to retrieve any of the files. While most of my collection was backed up on CDs, a number of live things were not. Specifically, I lost the Joni @ the Gene Autry Theater show and several bootlegs from the 70s. If anyone has these posted on yousendit or some other such site where I could re-download them or can direct me to a source from which I might retrieve some of my lost collection, please let me know. - --Matt J ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:40:00 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) > I will probably go back and read the Carole King portions but will > probably not ever get around to the Carly stuff as I was never much of a > fan. > Bob, I'm surprised that you wouldn't bother to read the Carly stuff. I've often read music-related books or articles about people I wasn't a huge fan of, and almost always find references within the context about people who I AM interested in. There are so many "degrees of separation" out there. Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:53:02 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni Notre ami Kenny B (that rhymes! ha ha....in some office sits a poet) wrote: "Bob, your knowledge of all-things-Joni (and you're ability to seemingly find these things so easily) never ceases to amaze me. If they ever have a Jeopardy tournament with all Joni-related categories, I'd bet on you to win." **** Moi, aussi! Or if "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" had a Joni game, he would definitely be numero uno on my "call a friend" list. Don't you get three "call a friends" or whatever? (Actually though, by virtue of his initials, he should be #2, as he said himself!) But then again, you could call anyone on this list who could be sitting in front of his/her computer and, thanks to Les & JMDL.com & CO, we'd get the answer. (TIC! "She knows the answer....) A Joni Jeopardy game would be so fun! "Make it a true daily double-decker bus, Alex!" "I'll bet three thousand dollars -- you should have seen it fly away!" "Eighteen bucks went up in smoke. Fleece me with the gamblers flocks, Alex!" (He'd be rolling his eyes and twirling his finger next to his head, saying: "Man, this chick is twisted!") And then when he interviews us in the beginning, we could all tell our little Joni stories. (Love is a story told.) Alex: "Bob, I hear you have an interesting little hobby relating to Joni Mitchell....." Alex: "Kakki-Lesli, apparently you were one of the last two-heads-are-better-than-one to see Joni perform live. Can you tell us how that came about?" Alex: "Dave, I hear you and your wife play....." Alex: "Cassy, it says here that you have a license plate that says WHAT?" Interesting group we have here today, folks! And we'll be back, right after this brief message..... Now you hear Joni's voice, singing: And so we ask you please Can we help you find the peace and the star...... http://pol.moveon.org/sixmonths/?campaign_id=90&rc=homepage Oh my friend We have all come To fear the beating of your drum.... Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back upuse SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion now NJC really - --- Em wrote: > it could be a scene in a play. > Even an important scene. Where the main character > sits down all messed > up, to play or compose in dim light and something > doesn't quite sound > right. She flicks the lights on and discovers MY GOD > THE PIANO HAS BEEN > PAINTED BROWN!!!!!!! > > A breakdown occurs and the character herself is > nearly ruined by this > shock, but goes through all that stuff, and > eventually gets up, wipes > away the tears and snot, etc... > and writes a song ANYWAY on a brown-painted, > acoustically deadened > instrument. > > She works with what she's got, which, at some point, > we all pretty much > have to do anyway. > > God that felt good!!!!! > > ok sorry. back to your regularly scheduled > programming.... > ;) > em > I'm enjoying your take on this. It's pretty hard to be sympathetic with J, I guess, but you never know what else is going on. Maybe she had the housekeeper from hell. Who paints a piano? Maybe she just took a gallon of latex and a roller and went at it. "My chops are very down on the piano. My housekeeper painted it brown while I was away on tour at one point and killed it and I've lost my virtuosity, which was dubious to begin with!" Joan does tell some pretty weird stories sometimes and I can't see any excuse for kicking someone. Kicking them out figuratively, as in firing them, yes. Kicking them literally, no. I don't hate the song as much as some of you do though. Like Zoob, I always thought it was about lazy-ass Klein (poor Klein!) and what goes on when people are trying to get a separation agreement. Anyone who has been through a divorce, or reasonable facsimile thereof, will know what I'm talking about. I don't even mind the lines, "You'd eat your young alive for a Jaguar in the drive." It makes me laugh. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:08:09 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) ALL, i hate the book. They talked to CK, they talked to CS. They didn'tinterview Joni. How can they suggest that the things they repot are true and accurate. I hate books like this. Brian (delurking because I'm so upset about this) - ---- PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > > I will probably go back and read the Carole King portions but will > > probably not ever get around to the Carly stuff as I was never much of a > > fan. > > > > Bob, I'm surprised that you wouldn't bother to read the Carly stuff. > I've often read music-related books or articles about people I wasn't a huge fan > of, and almost always find references within the context about people who I AM > interested in. There are so many "degrees of separation" out there. > > Kenny B > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL > Money & Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:23:57 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind, and I like Weller's writing style. I may take it along with me when I head for the beach in June. It's just that I have a constant backlog of reading material so sometimes I just can't get to a lot it. I did look at at all of the Carly PICTURES though, doesn't that count for something? Bob NP: Aerosmith, "Write Me" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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If you were to ask me about my childhood, or school years, or career, or whatever, it would most likely be personally biased to show myself in the best light, don't you think? Whereas if you talked to people who grew up with me, went to school with me, dated me, whatever, you'd probably get facts closer to the truth. I don't think Joni is any exception to this rule of human nature. Sorry you hate the book - I find it a pleasant change from the other bios I read that just gloss over things. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Glamour Profession" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:52:45 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: The Windfall (Everything For Nuthin) Discussion - ----- Original Message ----- From: > "you'd eat your young alive, for a Jaguar in the drive"...talk about > weak > lyrics. > Oh I love that lyric! As a generalized attack on greed, I think the song is brilliant! But I do agree that as a personal venting of Joni's spleen it is at best, tacky. When I first heard it, I didn't know anything about the housekeeper story and I thought she was quoting someone else in the first verse and that it was supposed to be envious talk about Joni herself. But then the 'you live here *like* a star' and the 'rent-free suite' lines wouldn't really make much sense would they? But I do get a big kick out of the 'eat your young alive' line. I guess I see it more as satirical or something. It goes over the top to make a point. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Girls Like Us (well, not me, but them) Right. We all tend to stack the deck when it comes to our past. That's not even mentioning the fact that there may be events in your life you forgot or things that are embarrassing. I'm sure that applies to Joni. I know personally I'd never talk about certain things in my past (oh you know, that one felony and all) or I may not remember them correctly. It really is sort of funny when you meet up with someone from your past (a friend or whatever) and he/she tells you all these stories of things you guys did together that you don't remember or that only vaguely ring a bell. Then you're like, "I did that?!?!!?!" Once again, I'm sure Joni applies. She is human afterall. -M Bob Muller wrote: I would wager to say that they are MORE accurate. If you were to ask me about my childhood, or school years, or career, or whatever, it would most likely be personally biased to show myself in the best light, don't you think? Whereas if you talked to people who grew up with me, went to school with me, dated me, whatever, you'd probably get facts closer to the truth. I don't think Joni is any exception to this rule of human nature. Sorry you hate the book - I find it a pleasant change from the other bios I read that just gloss over things. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Glamour Profession" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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