From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #31 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 15 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 031 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The More Things Change, The More They Remain The Same / Autism, njc [Laura Stanley ] Girls Like Us ["James Leahy" ] re: NJC Lyricists [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Girls Like Us [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Night Ride Home locus ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: lyrics that suck (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] Re: lyrics that suck , neil young edition ["Dan Olson" ] re: Night Ride Home locus [c Karma ] NJC UK jonifest / Cambridge folkfestival [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Lyrics that suck (and don't) [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: lyrics that suck (NJC) ["Lori Fye" ] RE: Bob Dylan's Pulitzer Prize , njc -- Dylan's Cheney song ["Richard Fly] Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni NJC [Bob Muller ] surfacing for a (selfish and self-serving) question about Boston - NJC [J] (NJC) JMDL Obama supporters ... ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Girls Like Us [Deb Messling ] Re: surfacing for a (selfish and self-serving) question about Boston - NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC was Lyricists - now George Harrison [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: The More Things Change, The More They Remain The Same / Autism, njc Jeannie wrote: I'm sure many of you have seen the documentary on HBO On Demand on the subject of autism and the innocent dance of love the autistic children perform. I can't help the emotions of joy when I see autistic children bloom and the pain I feel for the ones still locked away in a world of no communication. There is this sweet child who sings Joni's, ' Urge For Going' so real and so free and beautifully at the beginning of the documentary. Mr. and Mrs. Steven Stills and their unbelievably special, funny and intelligent autistic son appear on the documentary. I praise all parents who teach their children well under any circumstance such as Steven Stills and and his beautiful wife and so many other compassionate and determined people who give their all and who truly are the pioneers and seekers of mental health. Hi Jeannie, My son Justin's best friend has Aperger's Syndrome which is a form of autism. His mother is constantly looking for an answer as to the whys of autism. She thinks it could be food additives. Her son functions well enough to go to school with medication. I read the description of Asperger's Syndrome to Justin, and he said it sounds like him too, which is why I think he and his friend get along so well. Justin hasn't been diagnosed with AS, but he does have some of the characteristics. He didn't have any friends until he met this boy with AS. There was an article in Scientific American several months ago that said autism is likely to be caused by a lack of mirroring neurons which creates a disconnect between the child and the environment. It is interesting that both Neil Young and Steven Stills have autistic kids. Stills and Young (in that order) are my favorites out of CSNY. Love, Laura Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:17:37 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus Thanks Bob. That was more thorough than the question deserved! I'm surprised she didn't work in a verse about the burned roof and the kitten. I still don't think of little Kauai island as having much "open road". Another of life's mysteries cleared up... Dave On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus > > took with Larry to Canada ie home.> > > Nope - Hawaii is the correct answer, but we do have some nice > parting gifts for you Mr. Remote. > > Here's an excerpt from an interview with Chris Douridas in 1994: > > Music up: "Night Ride Home.") > CD: It's so nice listening to you guys play this song and to see > your exchange of smiles at that one point in the song where you > say, "I love the man beside me." > JM: Oh, yeah, this was a beautiful trip we took. It was. We went to > -- fourth of July we went to Hanalei. Was it Hanalei? > Larry Klein: Yeah, it was Kawai, yeah. > JM: And we had a really nice evening and there was like a lot of, > like, local kind of hula stuff while it was light, and then there > was a band -- there were two bands. A traditional ukulele band, > like slack-key band playing in one room, and then there was a rock > band playing in the other. And we befriended the wife of one of the > band members that night. > Then the drive home was really kind of surreal. Actually you've got > to get kind of a pre-setting to it. We rented this house and before > we left, the people who rented the house next to us had decided to > have this barbecue on our beach. Now we weren't going to be using > that beach that night, but when you pay for a private beach, it > kind of like bugs you to see these people like frying burgers on > your beach, you know. > CD: You want to at least be able to look at it. > JM: So -- and plus they were shooting off these rockets, right? And > I was standing at the window thinking that's our beach, you know. > We paid for that beach and everything. So anyway, then logic enters > into it and you think, well, you know, we're not going to be using > it, we're going on the other side of the island. So we go over to > the other side of the island. We have a pleasant evening listening > to this traditional music and a little bit of the rock. And we're > coming home -- either we had a tinted windshield in the car or else > there was a real blue moon, but the clouds were scudding overhead > real fast. They were moving like, you know, on our route anyway > they were moving right to left across, and there was a big blue > moon hanging in the sky. > LK: Oh, yeah. > JM: And everything seemed enchanted. The dots on the highway seemed > enchanted. The wires as they scooped along outside the window > seemed more silver than ever and in the distance we thought we saw > a flying saucer land. We couldn't figure it out. It was like this > patch of light in the middle of the field. Well when we came up on > it, it was a big yellow tractor with the headlights on and guys in > overalls with one leg up on the bumper drinking beer and laughing > in the middle of this cane field. > Then when we came to our turn-off, this horse loped alongside of us > literally with the taillights of our car reflecting on his hide and > his big eye staring in the window. When we got back to the house, > we walked in and it smelled of burn. It smelled like wet firewood. > Went into the bedroom, and we had just found a kitten a couple of > days earlier, a little runty kitten, like, that was prematurely > weaned and really high-spirited. And we left her in there. We came > into the house and there was a stink of fire, wet fire. Went into > the bedroom. The bed had been moved out into the middle of the room > and all the bed clothes were soggy and there was a big hole in the > roof and a note from the neighbors who'd had the barbecue on our > beach saying, "Gee, suddenly your roof caught fire. We don't know > how it happened, but we rented your house on our last vacation so > we knew where the spare key was so we stuck a garden hose, like, up > on your roof and we came -- " but > they started the fire -- > CD: With their rockets. > JM: -- because they were with their rockets at the beginning of the > evening and this little kitten was in there. But the whole thing > was kind of surreal and enchanted. > LK: Like a film. > JM: Yeah, it was like this funny little film. > ********************************************************* > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Two Grey Rooms" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:26:01 -0400 From: "James Leahy" Subject: Girls Like Us Has anyone had a chance to read Sheila Weller's new book, Girls Like Us? I bought it the other day and read all the Joni sections. There's a ton of stuff I hadn't heard before, mostly about Joni's relationships with men. That said, I do not think it is 'yellow journalism'. It seemed fairly thoughtful and, from what I can tell, pretty accurate (with the exception described below); it seems like a decent document of the changes that were happening for women, and for all of us, in the sixties and seventies. If you've looked at it, you might have noticed the book's strange typography: the Carly Simon sections are in a different font. Because I work in publishing, things like this matter to me. Here's the email I sent to the book's website: <> Now I sit up here, the critic. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: re: NJC Lyricists Right. I just chose one person off that list to defend (one who I don't even like). I dislike more of Paul's work (anything after the Beatles on) than I like but I figure it was easy to make an argument for some of those people. Either way, though I can't stand most of his solo work (can't stand really) I wouldn't put him on the list. John and George (in no order) are my favorite Beatles/ex-Beatles. I may be more prone to talking about George because it is almost a given that you're supposed to respect John Lennon. George has it a bit tougher. -M David Eoll wrote: Paul had his moments, but... John's my favorite Beatle, George is my favorite ex-Beatle. Cheers, David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:13:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Girls Like Us Hi Jim, I got it last week and am in the thick of it. Between being a slow reader and having little time to read, I am moving along slowly and am enjoying it. And like you, I'm "cheating" and reading all the Joni chapters first. I will probably go back and read the Carole King portions but will probably not ever get around to the Carly stuff as I was never much of a fan. Had she not been the beautiful daughter of a wealthy family I don't think she would have ever hit the radar screen, though she did make the best of the opportunities her fame gave her. I am loving all the new Joni info & details! Bob NP: Tori Amos, "Precious Things" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Kate Jamie Zooby >Well, if we're going to go along with her painting of the same name ('Big Blue Moon There' 1987) I will say Kauai - which is an island (or a place? My geography of Hawaii isn't great) in/near Hawaii. And the video will also go along with the beach idea. However the 'open road' and 'horse' images that she brings to it, take it away from my idea of Hawaii. OK so the horse is a metaphor for a car but she brings it to the table.< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:03:51 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: RE: lyrics that suck (NJC) Not that I particularly like The L Word's theme song, but something struck me wrong when I read your email, Anita. So I looked up the lyrics. It's not "bikes with long lashes," although (as a motorcycle rider) I was finding the concept of a Harley with eyelashes to be amusing. Although it could happen. Some bikers do add "eyelids" to their headlamps and turn signals -- why not add eyelashes too? : D Anyway, the lyrics to The L Word theme: Girls in tight dresses Who drag with mustaches Chicks drivin' fast Ingenues with long lashes Women who long, love, lust Women who give This is the way It's the way that we live Talking, laughing, loving, breathing, fighting, fucking, crying, drinking, riding, winning, losing, cheating, kissing, thinking, dreaming. This is the way It's the way that we live It's the way that we live And love That said, it's still a dreadful song, and now -- dammit! -- it's stuck in my head again!! Lori Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:39:19 -0500 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: lyrics that suck , neil young edition I've always disliked the sentiment Neil expressed in "Down by the River": "Down by the river, I shot my baby, down by the river, dead . . . shot her dead . . . " On 4/13/08, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > > Well in Neil's defense, that first set of lyrics wasn't written by > him. The song was mostly written by Danny Whitten. Neil's lyrical > contribution to it was minimal--his lines only were the "sure enough they'll > be selling.../moon lines." This is a song sung by Whitten which Crazy Horse > did in or around '70. Neil found a recording of it (live I believe) and > slapped it onto "Tonight's The Night" feeling this song was essential to > that album. > As for the mashed potates lines, well maybe he had just smoked up > prior to writing those and was REALLY hungry. Haha, that would explain the > length, lack of direction and the words then! > -M, who likes the lyrics to Cowgirl In The Sand > > > Randy Remote wrote: > Snake eyes, french fries, I got lots of gas > Full moon and a truckin' tune > You don't have to ask > C'mon baby, let's go downtown... > > Hello cowgirl in the sand > Is this place at your command? > Old enough now, to change your name > When so many love you, is it the same? > > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Ain't got no t-bone > (repeat over and over for 9 minutes) > > Rapid transit. > Public service. > I'm standing in my line. > Melt down. > Containment. > I'm standing in my line > -Neil Young > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:13:46 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE: lyrics that suck (NJC) Lori wrote "Not that I particularly like The L Word's theme song, but something struck me wrong when I read your email, Anita. So I looked up the lyrics. It's not "bikes with long lashes," although (as a motorcycle rider) I was finding the concept of a Harley with eyelashes to be amusing. Although it could happen. Some bikers do add "eyelids" to their headlamps and turn signals -- why not add eyelashes too? : D" Lori - having read the correct version you kindly sent, I think my 'bikes with long lashes' is undoubtedly better! 'Ingenue' scans but goodness....Steph and I are writing a new version, but have only got the chorus. Instead of: "Talking, laughing, loving, breathing, fighting, fucking, crying, drinking, We have the our version: Cleaning, gardning,working,sleeping (My line) Skipping, hopping, jumping,leaping (That line is Steph's. She teaches PE) That's what happens when you hang out together for 27 years!! :~)) Have a lovely day! A xx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:59:54 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Night Ride Home locus "We came into the house and there was a stink of fire, wet fire. Went into the bedroom. The bed had been moved out into the middle of the room and all the bed clothes were soggy and there was a big hole in the roof and a note from the neighbors who'd had the barbecue on our beach saying, "Gee, suddenly your roof caught fire. We don't know how it happened, but we rented your house on our last vacation so we knew where the spare key was so we stuck a garden hose, like, up on your roof and we came -- " Interesting story. I'd never read that before. Funny about the bed clothes being all wet. It reminded me of something else curious about the "Night Ride Home" package. The photos from the album and booklet include some double exposures of Joni over what appears to be a mattress cover, that kind of shiny brocade that's used. I wonder if they stripped the bed and took some photos that night while it dried. Now I will re-examine those pictures to see if there's any other hints back to this story. I've always dug the silhouette shot of Larry with the toothpick in his mouth. And always remember, OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR. CC _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:14:16 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC UK jonifest / Cambridge folkfestival Hi Lucy! I overlooked your response to my post below - sorry about that! I'll be in the UK around 9 May and was wondering if I can make a bank transfer to you for the deposit for Jonifest when I'm there? I gave up on PayPal. All best Bene Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:30:02 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Subject: NJC UK jonifest / Cambridge folkfestival Bene UK Fest is evening of 21st August to morning of 25th August Rather a long way from CAmbridge Folk Festival Sorry to disappoint and, like Glastonbury, I think you have to enter a ballot to get tix for CFF it has become HUGER than HUGE Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:49:23 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Lyrics that suck (and don't) Also in defense of Neil Young: I too like the lyrics to "Cowgirl In The Sand," although my judgement is biased from having loved the 1970's, the music from that era, and my life at that time. > Hello cowgirl in the sand > Is this place at your command? > Old enough now, to change your name > When so many love you, is it the same? > > As far as the mashed potatoe lines going on for 9 minutes, I chalk it up to Neil's LOVE for REALLY loooonnnngggg jams and poetic license. It's not one of my favorite Neil Young songs, in any case. > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Got mashed potatoes > Ain't got no t-bone > (repeat over and over for 9 minutes) > > Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:53:52 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni Bob, your knowledge of all-things-Joni (and you're ability to seemingly find these things so easily) never ceases to amaze me. If they ever have a Jeopardy tournament with all Joni-related categories, I'd bet on you to win. > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Night Ride Home locus > > took with Larry to Canada ie home.> > > Nope - Hawaii is the correct answer, but we do have some nice parting gifts > for you Mr. Remote. > > Here's an excerpt from an interview with Chris Douridas in 1994: > > Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:01:09 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: lyrics that suck (NJC) > We have the our version: > Cleaning, gardning,working,sleeping (My line) > Skipping, hopping, jumping,leaping (That line is Steph's. She teaches PE) > > That's what happens when you hang out together for 27 years!! :~)) And it's a lot more accurate, too! : D Okay, my partner and I still do the ... >> Talking, laughing, loving, breathing, But, in our middle age now, we've stopped doing (most of, but thankfully not all of) the ... >> fighting, fucking, crying, drinking, Ya know? ; ) > Have a lovely day! You too!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:03:37 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Bob Dylan's Pulitzer Prize , njc -- Dylan's Cheney song The new James McMurtry album, "Just Us Kids" comes out tomorrow. I love it. His brilliant song, "Cheney's Toy" is available for free, legal download here: http://www.emusic.com/label/Lightning-Rod-Records-Thirty-Tigers-MP3-Download /173146.html - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of David Eoll Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:44 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Bob Dylan's Pulitzer Prize , njc -- Dylan's Cheney song > From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > Subject: Bob Dylan's Pulitzer Prize , njc > > No joke. He got a "special Pulitzer" on April 8th. > Has everyone heard Dylan's song about Dick Cheney? Its phenomenal and he totally has Cheney's number. I found the lyrics online. Here, check it out: Come you masters of war You that build the big guns You that build the death planes You that build all the bombs You that hide behind walls You that hide behind desks I just want you to know I can see through your masks You that never done nothin' But build to destroy You play with my world Like it's your little toy You put a gun in my hand And you hide from my eyes And you turn and run farther When the fast bullets fly Like Judas of old You lie and deceive A world war can be won You want me to believe But I see through your eyes And I see through your brain Like I see through the water That runs down my drain You fasten the triggers For the others to fire Then you set back and watch When the death count gets higher You hide in your mansion As young people's blood Flows out of their bodies And is buried in the mud You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood That runs in your veins How much do I know To talk out of turn You might say that I'm young You might say I'm unlearned But there's one thing I know Though I'm younger than you Even Jesus would never Forgive what you do Let me ask you one question Is your money that good Will it buy you forgiveness Do you think that it could I think you will find When your death takes its toll All the money you made Will never buy back your soul And I hope that you die And your death'll come soon I will follow your casket In the pale afternoon And I'll watch while you're lowered Down to your deathbed And I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead - ---- This song was written back in 1963 when Dick Cheney was only 22. I'm pretty impressed that Bob was prescient enough to see what Dick would amount to even back then. Genius. Sheer genius. The man deserves a Pulitzer. Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Bob's Encyclopedia of Joni NJC Thanks Kenny - most of the credit has to go to Les for making JM.com a one-stop, totally searchable website. But I have a pretty good (but not perfect) ability to retain information and trivia, as long as it's a topic I have a passion for. Back in the early 70's you could give me the name of a baseball team and I could tell you all the players, batting averages, homeruns, ERA, etc. Every Tuesday the wife and I along with a couple of other friends head to the local Irish pub to play trivia. We won the last tournament and claimed the $300.00 purse. "Encyclopedia" Bob (remembering all the "Encyclopedia Brown" books I read to my son when he was younger) NP: Joni, "Both Sides Now" PS: Todd is this Friday night....can't wait! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:27:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: surfacing for a (selfish and self-serving) question about Boston - NJC Hi everyone, I just want to say hello and I hope everyone is doing better than usual. As some of you know I am in serious hibernation/estivation mode these few months because I am writing the final chapters of my dissertation (diasporic cinema, post-nationality, non-places, etc). I have a question to ask to ask our erudite members who are either (1) long time residents of Boston or (2) spent some time in Boston or (3) have been to Boston to know its cultural cartography. I will be Boston from April 15-19 for the annual meeting of geographers and since this is my first time, I am excited. I want to know if y'all can recommend some cool small-venue concert places in the area. Like particular US cities who are known for their music scene, Boston has this reputation in avant-garde jazz, art pop (of the Dresden Dolls variety) and indie rock. Can you email me off-list where are the cool places (i.e. small venue concerts) to go? I consulted the online guide and so far Scullers Jazz Club looks promising on Wednesday with Carla Bley and Steve Swallow and Karrin Allyson on Thursday. But the price is a bit steep for a poor grad student like me, plus I don't get the whole dinner and and concert thing -- so very Algonquin dinner theater. So any suggestions would be appreciated. Online info are sometimes not reliable. Native-informant insights are definitely preferred. Thanks a lot! Joseph in Chapel Hill - --------------------------------- Envoyi avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:04:55 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) JMDL Obama supporters ... ... probably won't like me for posting this, but ... "*If you're not skeptical of the candidate you support, you're not doing your job as a citizen*, as far as I'm concerned. Hence this post." - -- Kate Harding, from the post located at the following link, which is the best thing I've read lately about the Dem candidates: http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2008/04/its-time-to-get-obama-skeptical.html Warning: liberal use of the f*bomb within. Lori Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:52:31 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Girls Like Us I'm almost done with the Joni sections. It certainly held my interest. Her portrayal of Joni's pregnancy seems especially empathetic, and very fair. Overall, thought, it's still not the portrayal I'm waiting for. As James said, it's mostly about her relationships with men. I can't say that part wasn't interesting, and I was once again struck by how many former lovers have such high regard for her. Still, despite enjoying all the love affair stuff, I would have been interested in hearing more about her work, and about her struggles as a woman in the sexist music business. And in a book that seeks to place these musicians in some kind of feminist narrative, I wonder why Weller omitted any discussion of Joni's well-documented hostility to feminism. At 10:26 AM 4/14/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone had a chance to read Sheila Weller's new book, Girls Like >Us? I bought it the other day and read all the Joni sections. >There's a ton of stuff I hadn't heard before, mostly about Joni's >relationships with men. That said, I do not think it is 'yellow >journalism'. It seemed fairly thoughtful and, from what I can tell, >pretty accurate (with the exception described below); it seems like >a decent document of the changes that were happening for women, and >for all of us, in the sixties and seventies. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:28:58 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: surfacing for a (selfish and self-serving) question about Boston - NJC I love visiting Boston though don't get there as often as I'd like. A couple of shows below caught my eye. I'm not sure how cheap they are but they sound like fun. I know Ashara is a big Cheryl Wheeler fan. Jerry Douglas (Allison Krauss and Union Station) Wednesday April 16 http://www.thedise.com/ Cheryl Wheeler w/ Lucy Wainright-Roche Friday and Saturday April 18,19 http://clubpassim.com Victor NP: Red Sox 3 Indians 4 top of the 9th On Apr 14, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just want to say hello and I hope everyone is doing better than > usual. > > As some of you know I am in serious hibernation/estivation mode > these few months because I am writing the final chapters of my > dissertation (diasporic cinema, post-nationality, non-places, etc). > > I have a question to ask to ask our erudite members who are either > (1) long time residents of Boston or (2) spent some time in Boston > or (3) have been to Boston to know its cultural cartography. I will > be Boston from April 15-19 for the annual meeting of geographers and > since this is my first time, I am excited. I want to know if y'all > can recommend some cool small-venue concert places in the area. Like > particular US cities who are known for their music scene, Boston has > this reputation in avant-garde jazz, art pop (of the Dresden Dolls > variety) and indie rock. Can you email me off-list where are the > cool places (i.e. small venue concerts) to go? I consulted the > online guide and so far Scullers Jazz Club looks promising on > Wednesday with Carla Bley and Steve Swallow and Karrin Allyson on > Thursday. But the price is a bit steep for a poor grad student like > me, plus I don't get the whole dinner and and concert thing -- so > very Algonquin dinner theater. So any suggestions > would be appreciated. Online info are sometimes not reliable. Native- > informant insights are definitely preferred. > > Thanks a lot! > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > > > --------------------------------- > Envoyi avec Yahoo! Mail. > Une boite mail plus intelligente. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:21:47 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: re: njc - lyrics that suck *sigh* I hate to have to do this, because I love Songs For Beginners, its one of my favorite albums. It may not be desert island material, but I do go through phases where I listen to it alot, and I had it on my car CD player on the way to work this morning. And this line from Be Yourself always makes me cringe: "We needed a tutor / so we built a computer" Sorry, Graham. But, by the One Stinker Standard, you're on the list, buddy. Maybe you can tag Crosby back in, and take his spot. Cheers, David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:50:44 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: NJC was Lyricists - now George Harrison Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > I may be more prone to talking about George because it is almost a > given that you're supposed to respect John Lennon. George has it > a bit tougher. My feelings exactly. I get the impression that after 12 years of living in the shadow of two songwriting giants, and settling for the 2 songs, or so, per album they let him do, George was bursting with creative energy. All four former Beatles put out albums in 1970 and I think George's All Things Must Pass is far and away the best. And its a triple album, if you include the third disc of jams with members of Derek & the Dominoes, Cream, and Traffic. The other "other Beatle", Ringo, also had a productive post-Beatle year, putting out 2 albums in 1970. The second one, Beaucoups of Blues, is quite good, IMHO. Cheers, David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:32:18 -0700 From: Subject: Night Ride Home locus Thanks for posting the bit of the interview. Pretty amusing, although I cringed a bit with Joni talking paying for their "private beach." There are no "private beaches" in the islands of Hawaii. They are all public under the law and people even have the right to walk through someone's private yard to get to them. There are lots of ranches in the islands an a long cowboy (called paniolas in Hawaii) tradition going way back. I recall that most of the original paniolas were Portuguese and they brought the guitar into the Hawaiian music. There is a whole genre of Hawaiian Country music there, too, which is wonderful. I stayed in Hanalei a few years ago and it is a wonder of the world in beauty. I met a lot of the real locals and musicians hanging out there. It is a very magical place. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #31 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------