From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #27 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 11 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 027 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The More Things Change, The More They Remain The Same (Joni-influenced content) [Brian Gross ] Performance [Monika Bogdanowicz ] A Guide to Joni [Monika Bogdanowicz ] NJC Lyricists [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: patti and petitions NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Lyricists [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC Lyricists [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Lyricists [Michael Paz ] RE: A Guide to Joni [anon anon ] njc, "History will not judge this kindly" [Patti Parlette ] RE: A Guide to Joni [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: was "Come Together" with Joni, Missisippi River Festival, 1969- now David's friend [David Eoll ] Re: njc, Got MLK? in which David spouts off about politics again WARNING! [David Eoll Subject: The More Things Change, The More They Remain The Same (Joni-influenced content) http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2008/04/10/news/local/doc47fd46f94c509613389585.txt Brian, who continues to firmly believe there is Joni-content everywhere. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:26:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: patti and petitions NJC Patti wrote: Something about petitions: I'm always signing them, and sometimes "I wonder what I do it for", but a few months ago I saw the real power of them. I volunteered to deliver a moveon.org "No War on Iran" (don't put it past them!) petition to my Congressperson's office. I got special access to print it out and felt like I had the "power to the people" in my hands. It was wonderful to see so many names from my district. to which i replied: Patti, i'm glad that you had such a positive experience with your petition. the thing is, when you feel that something is so wrong, signing a petition is a good way to demonstrate that, just so. there is a sense of relief somehow. there's a stormy sea of frustration brewing on the hand gun issue and it feels good to speak out about it and hopefully effect change, even if that means giving us a chance to talk about it, think about it, wonder about all the what ifs. I realize full well, that talking about guns now is a bit of an issue for some. sorry if this ticks anyone off. as a Canadian, I was brought up to believe that hand guns have no business in a home. I know about all the arguments on both sides now, but i just dont get it. the great big why lingers, still. That's where I sit. Or stand. Or something. Lori, since I know you are reading this one ;-) , you mentioned a Joni fest in Regina. Were you serious? mags aka patty ;-) - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Performance "Some good stuff man..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAjL6bvDskc (Joni performance of Sex Kills) -Monika NR: Duma Key-Stephen King Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: A Guide to Joni Well, not that you personally need a guide but I always find peoples' opinions (whether or not I agree) interesting. It goes through album to album. http://www.ectoguide.org/artists/mitchell.joni -M Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Lyricists This pretty old but if you haven't seen it, here are Blender's 40 worst lyricists: 1 Sting 2 Neil Peart 3 Scott Stapp 4 Noel Gallagher 5 Dan Fogelberg 7 Paul Stanley 8 Diane Warren 9 Donovan 10 Jim Morrison 12 David Crosby 13 Tony Banks 13 Mike Rutherford 13 Steve Hackett 13 Phil Collins 13 Peter Gabriel 14 Will.i.am 15 Bernie Taupin 17 Jon Anderson 18 Ian Anderson 19 Queensryche 21 Alanis Morissette 22 Jon Bon Jovi 23 Robert Plant 24 Fred Durst 26 Simon Le Bon 29 Timbaland 30 Kevin Federline 31 Carly Simon 32 Matisyahu 33 Diddy (Sean Combs) 34 Henry Rollins 35 Dashboard Confessional 36 Common 37 Bryan Adams 38 Paul McCartney 39 Billy Corgan 40 Anthony Kiedis And here's the whole article: http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?ID=2886 I wonder how they came up with this list...I can understand some of these people on here such as the stand-outs like Kevin Federline and Fred Durst and so on but some of the people on this list are good. Sure, they might have a few stinkers (who doesn't?) but they are generally good. For one, even though I don't like the majority of Paul McCartney's solo work I certainly wouldn't put him on this list. He has some damn fine lyrics to show for (of course some stinkers too). Of course it is just one list... -M Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: patti and petitions NJC - --- Mags wrote: > Patti wrote: > > Something about petitions: I'm always signing > them, and sometimes "I > wonder what I do it for", but a few months ago I > saw the real power of > them. I volunteered to deliver a moveon.org "No > War on Iran" (don't put > it past them!) petition to my Congressperson's > office. I got special > access to print it out and felt like I had the > "power to the people" in > my hands. It was wonderful to see so many names > from my district. I sometimes wonder why I bother too. I'm not sure if putting your name on a petition accomplishes all that much. There are many people who will sign any old petition just because someone sympathique asks them to. On the other hand, if you believe in something, then signing a petition is a good way to bear witness to your belief. Knowing that you're one of many often-silent voices can also be empowering. Where I work, we get many petitions. We always make a point of letting the powers-that-be know when we've received a new one and we let them know how many signatures we've received, or how many form letters. So, if you're sending such a thing to a government office, it does get noticed. > to which [Mags] replied: > > there's a stormy sea of frustration brewing on > the hand gun issue and it feels good to speak out > about it and hopefully effect change, even if that > means giving us a chance to talk about it, think > about it, wonder about all the what ifs. I realize > full well, that talking about guns now is a bit of > an issue for some. sorry if this ticks anyone off. > > as a Canadian, I was brought up to believe that > hand guns have no business in a home. I know about > all the arguments on both sides now, but i just dont > get it. the great big why lingers, still. That's > where I sit. Or stand. Or something. As another Canadian, I don't get it either and hope I never will. We've seen far too many kid-gang-related murders here lately. Not only are kids shooting kids in other gangs, but often they are shooting the wrong people, because when they aim at the kid on the other gang, they don't care who else is around and an innocent bystander is killed instead. Sometimes they do it in broad daylight in a crowded area. Stupid? You betcha. I am not really sure if Mayor Miller's petition on handguns will do much good as it is. We already have laws that deal with this stuff. What really needs to happen is that the flow of guns across the border needs to be stopped, the cops need to crack down hard on the ones bringing them in and storing them, and the business of people having them because they're "collectors" needs to stop. Often the ones who supply the gang kids know about these collectors and break in to steal their collection and then sell them to kids. I signed the petition anyway. Enough is enough. Why would someone "collect" guns? I don't get it at all. > Lori, since I know you are reading this one ;-) , > you mentioned a Joni fest in Regina. Were you > serious? > Lori also asked about things that rhyme with Regina. Angina? Auntie Dinah? South China? Silly whinah? ;-) Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:55:10 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC Lyricists On Apr 10, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > This pretty old but if you haven't seen it, here are Blender's 40 > worst lyricists: > > 2 Neil Peart > 17 Jon Anderson > 18 Ian Anderson Neil Peart is a brilliant lyricist and also has written several books, one of which I am still reading, Ghost Rider. I don't know what criteria they used but including him on this list, in my opinion, sends their credibility down the toilet. Jon Anderson and Ian Anderson? You've got to be kidding. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Lyricists - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?ID=2886 > > I wonder how they came up with this list...I can > understand some of these people on here such as the > stand-outs like Kevin Federline and Fred Durst and > so on but some of the people on this list are good. > Sure, they might have a few stinkers (who doesn't?) > but they are generally good. Right off the top of my head, I'd say it was probably enough to have ONE song with really stinky lyrics to make this list. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:21:10 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Lyricists Jon actually does make stretches but I like him. I thought Ian's wife was the master lyricist behind all the cool stuff like Aqualung and Thick As A brick Best Paz In MOrristown Pa Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Apr 10, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: On Apr 10, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > This pretty old but if you haven't seen it, here are Blender's 40 > worst lyricists: > > 2 Neil Peart > 17 Jon Anderson > 18 Ian Anderson Neil Peart is a brilliant lyricist and also has written several books, one of which I am still reading, Ghost Rider. I don't know what criteria they used but including him on this list, in my opinion, sends their credibility down the toilet. Jon Anderson and Ian Anderson? You've got to be kidding. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:56:16 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: A Guide to Joni Hi, the book I'd recommend is "court and spark" by Sean nelson. It's a brief book, examing Joni's C&S album song by song. you may disagree with some of the author's conclusions, but it's still a thoughtful, stimulating read... Date: Thu, It'ds 10 Apr 2008 07:58:38 -0700> From: motitan75@yahoo.com> Subject: A Guide to Joni> To: joni@smoe.org> > Well, not that you personally need a guide but I always find peoples' opinions (whether or not I agree) interesting. It goes through album to album.> http://www.ectoguide.org/artists/mitchell.joni> -M> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:20:19 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, "History will not judge this kindly" WARNING: Heavy company Darkness Darkness "Of the darkness in men's minds What can you say That wasn't marked by history Or the TV news today He gets away with murder" "History will not judge this kindly": A report indicates top White House officials "discussed and approved" specific torture techniques, including waterboarding. --Steve Benen http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/04/10/principals/index.html "Already on a bed of sighs and screams And still you torture me with visions You give me terrifying dreams!" Sigh. This is America? "We do not torture." Peace, Patti P. Countdown: 284 more days of lousy leadership P.S. Just this minute got another email on the same subject, this one from truemajority.org: "It is now clear that abusive techniques at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib were not isolated incidents by a few "bad apples". Instead, they were the logical consequence of policies dictated at the highest level of government and led by the current Secretary of State. Her directives to the CIA were unambiguous, "This is your baby, go do it". Take action right now. Demand Rice resign: http://www.truemajority.org/condi Thanks for acting to reclaim America." _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: Re: patti and petitions NJC Cat, I'm glad to know that the petitions do get noticed. Thing is, it's a complex issue (isn't everything). Thanks for your thoughts. Lots more gun schtuff up here, too. But as a wise woman recently pointed out, since the Peg is the big city in this province, it's to be expected. Somewhere, there's logic in that. um, yea, Loori, what rhymes with Regina? Did you mean Saskatoon? Um , do you need a lesson in canadian geography? (yes I am joking!!) Regina is within driving distance for a fest, but really, who would go there?? ;PPP luv ya Mags. - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: RE: A Guide to Joni Ah yes, I have read it! It was very interesting and made me look at some of the songs in a different way. It was very well written as well. -M anon anon wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi, the book I'd recommend is "court and spark" by Sean nelson. It's a brief book, examing Joni's C&S album song by song. you may disagree with some of the author's conclusions, but it's still a thoughtful, stimulating read... Date: Thu, It'ds 10 Apr 2008 07:58:38 -0700 > From: motitan75@yahoo.com > Subject: A Guide to Joni > To: joni@smoe.org > > Well, not that you personally need a guide but I always find peoples' opinions (whether or not I agree) interesting. It goes through album to album. > http://www.ectoguide.org/artists/mitchell.joni > -M > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:53:32 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: was "Come Together" with Joni, Missisippi River Festival, 1969- now David's friend > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: was "Come Together" with Joni, Missisippi River Festival, 1969- now David's friend > > David- I'm enjoying listening to his music on myspace right now. In the > small world department, his bio says "In 2005, Rob was appointed as musical > arranger for the Leonard Cohen documentary "I'm Your Man," He's also worked > with many other other notable musicians. Kate > None of us doubted for a second that Rob would go places with that music of his. Sounds like he hasn't disappointed. I just dropped him a line on myspace. I'm curious to see if he even remembers me. I hung out with him quite a bit back then, but he was more of a friend of a friend. I knew him through one of my hometown buddies that I used to visit with up at UMass. This is after my short-lived tenure as a student there. (a story all in itself) I just remembered. Rob was actually the person who turned me on to the Mingus album. (and to Mingus himself actually) I'm sure I wouldn't have gotten 20% of what I've gotten from Mingus (the album or the man) without Rob's play-by-play. I seem to remember I was also introduced to Hejira by Rob and his roommate Sanje, who was a fairly talented percussionist himself. Although, I don't know that I'd place him in the same league as Rob. Last I heard, Sanj was touring with a group called Afrodisiac, or something like that. But that was a few years ago that I got this bit of news. Haven't seen either Rob or Sanj in at least 12 years. Peace, David PS Now that I'm thinking of it, I think my initial exposure to all of the Joni/Jaco albums was through Rob. I had only listened to C&S and earlier before that time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:49:14 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC Lyricists It occurs to me that if you took one line from each of them, you could make one heck of a bad song. > This pretty old but if you haven't seen it, here are Blender's 40 worst > lyricists: > 1 Sting > 2 Neil Peart > 3 Scott Stapp > 4 Noel Gallagher > 5 Dan Fogelberg > 7 Paul Stanley > 8 Diane Warren > 9 Donovan > 10 Jim Morrison > 12 David Crosby > 13 Tony Banks > 13 Mike Rutherford > 13 Steve Hackett > 13 Phil Collins > 13 Peter Gabriel > 14 Will.i.am > 15 Bernie Taupin > 17 Jon Anderson > 18 Ian Anderson > 19 Queensryche > 21 Alanis Morissette > 22 Jon Bon Jovi > 23 Robert Plant > 24 Fred Durst > 26 Simon Le Bon > 29 Timbaland > 30 Kevin Federline > 31 Carly Simon > 32 Matisyahu > 33 Diddy (Sean Combs) > 34 Henry Rollins > 35 Dashboard Confessional > 36 Common > 37 Bryan Adams > 38 Paul McCartney > 39 Billy Corgan > 40 Anthony Kiedis > And here's the whole article: > http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?ID=2886 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:01:28 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: njc, Got MLK? in which David spouts off about politics again WARNING! > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: njc, Got MLK? > > P.S. I read that Pat Buchanan said that McCain is even more hawkish (here come those hawks again!) than Cheney, and that if McCain wins, he will make Cheney look like Gandhi. Holy merde! I can't remember who it was that said, "When they tell you who they are, believe them." During Bush's first trip to DC after the 2000 election, he quipped, "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just as long as I'm the dictator." Quite the kidder, that George is. Oddly enough, this wasn't the first or the last time he said this. And sure enough, seven years later we have what amounts to an elected-dictatorship where the president claims not to be bound by the law, and nobody in any kind of "authority" challenges him on that at all. The other two branches of government which are supposed to act as a counterweight against the executive branch have done nothing but defer to the Commander-in-Chief. Congress doesn't even write the laws anymore. Bush has issued over 1000 so-called "signing statements" where he basically changes the laws he's signing to suit his whims. Funny, I don't remember that part from School House Rock. And I can't find anything about signing statements in my copy of the Constitution. Oh well, as Louis XIV proclaimed, "LItat, cest moi". So, forgive me for not getting the joke when McCain does his little Jan & Dean routine: "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran." I think that's exactly who he is, another immature frat boy who can't wait to get his finger on the trigger of the world's biggest military. And I'm not having any kind of sense of humor at all about that. > > P.P.S. I also heard that bookbags did not exist in 1968. Hmmm. I seem to recall using some kind of rubber stretchy things to keep my books together. LOL.....as I dodged sniper fire on the way home from school. (Sorry, I couldn't resist. You just have to laugh, cuz it's all so crazy!) Hugh Hewitt is an idiot. And anyway, he's got it all wrong. As many here have pointed out, there were plenty of book bags back then. So when Hillary claims to have "hurled her book bag across the room" upon learning of MLK being murdered, the book bag isn't the problem. It's the hurling. Hurling wasn't invented until 1977. Before that people didn't hurl, they threw. Keep your eye on the ball, Hugh. Come to think of it, were rooms even around then? Must google it... All seriousness aside, Hillary opened the door for these kinds of ridiculous attacks on her credibility with the Bosnia trip exaggeration. Now they're going to be looking for fibs in everything she says. Tsk, tsk, Hillary. One thing I learned a long time ago is: Never, ever pad your resume. Personally, I never put anything on mine that I wouldn't feel comfortable defending in court under cross-examination. I actually understand her dilemma, I think. One of her biggest assets going into this election was name recognition. Which she owes entirely to being First Lady for 8 years. But that's also the biggest soft spot on her resume, as far as I'm concerned. Senator Clinton is a very accomplished woman, but being First Lady isn't an accomplishment of her's, she just married a guy who got elected president. And being the spouse of a president doesn't qualify anyone for anything other than being the spouse of a president. So, what to do? I don't know, I'm not a campaign consultant. But trying to spin it as giving her some kind of foreign policy experience seems kind of foolish. I mean, I'm sure being First Lady, or anyone in a president's entourage, gives one a certain amount of diplomatic exposure, but actual foreign policy experience? That seemed bound to blow up in her face, which it has. And c'mon, sniper fire? Sheesh. Even if that were true, did she really think that would fly against John McCain in the general election? I mean I can just picture his response: "Sniper fire? That's nice, Hillary. My plane was shot down over North Viet Nam and I was tortured for 5-1/2 years. How much foreign policy experience do I get for that? Next." I just want this primary to be over, and I almost don't care who wins it at this point. They need to focus on McCain. And Hillary's campaign against Obama has been playing too much into McCain's perceived strengths lately. She's really been knee-capping the eventual democratic nominee, no matter who it ends up being. It'll end up hurting her just as much as it would Obama, if she manages to pull off the nomination. So just stop it. Everyone. Super-delegates, do your job and pick our nominee for us. And at this point, who they pick doesn't matter as much as that they pick someone soon. Because the Republicans, by dumb luck (?), have nominated the guy with the best shot at keeping the White House in GOP hands. And he's running virtually unopposed until the Democrats have their nominee. And the press looooooooves him. They {heart} McCain 4evah. Mwah, mwah, mwah. They loves them some McCain. You Hillary supporters think the press has a pro-Obama bias? They may, for the time being. But, just wait until he's running against St. John McCain, the Straight-Talking Maverick War Hero. Oh, brother. Dog Help Us, David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #27 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------