From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #19 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 3 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 019 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NRH-BYT [vincenzo mancini ] contributing factors to joni's depression [Mags ] tickets [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: Suicide, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! [Bob.Muller@Fluo] Re: Herbie, Joni and Sonya [Michael ] Re: njc Jody Grind [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re; Joni's suicide attempt ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: NRH-BYT [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Suicide, njc ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Sonya Kitchell [Susan Glumac ] Re: suicide, njc [Laura Stanley ] RE; Joni's suicide attempt ["Anita Tedder" ] RE; Joni's suicide attempt (one more thing) ["Anita Tedder" ] NJC Macgariggle and Nick Cave ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] bad joni art ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana [Jeannie ] Re: bad joni art now just plain bad art and njc [Catherine McKay ] njc, hawk attack [Patti Parlette ] Re: Subject: Herbie, Joni and Sonya [Bryan ] Re: Birthdays, welcome and Joni [Peep Richman ] RE: RE; Joni's suicide attempt ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: bad joni art now just plain bad art and njc ["Randy Remote" ] First sound recording njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Subject: slide show on Yahoo ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana ["Mark Scott" ] JM and EC at CE's place in LC [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:12:41 +0000 From: vincenzo mancini Subject: NRH-BYT Never seen both of them before but, I may be wrong... Night ride home (on Norwegian TV) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGCzKGRKGu8 Big Yellow Taxi (LA? Miles of Aisles era, "Help me", apparently form the same gig, did emerge some time ago as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlNZN94_u-s Any hints as to how to catch the Hancock-Mitchell yahoo session will be greatly appreciated... Vincenzo May your skies be blue _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&m kt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:14:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: contributing factors to joni's depression I don't want get too into this topic, but I will point out that in her early-80s interview with Bill Flanagan of Musician magazine, Joni discussed her severe depression in the early 70s, and particularly placed it during the recording of Blue; this means the beginning of the depression predates the relationship with Jackson Browne. Michael Flaherty wrote the above to which I will add: In support of what you've written, I want to throw this one on the table for discussion. Preamble, I know that, like that coyote, this has been discussed many times on this list. I know this because it's the anniversary of my eighth year here, and to me, this is a veritable university of Joni Mitchell, because I continue to learn all about the back story. And I'm interested in what the newer members think about things. What I want to talk about is the life altering event 1965. The year that Joni surrendered her baby girl Kelly Green, an event which left a life long impact which no doubt sent Joni down the hallowed halls of depression. The consequences of losing a child via adoption, the lingering deep grief were not recognized or acknowleged as the unwed mother was expected to get on with her life and forget. Living with that mad reality was plenty of reason for the many shades of blue that weighed Joni down. An event that one does not just get over. Lest we forget. But Joni didn't forget, did she. Losing that baby girl informed much of Joni's work spilling out in songs like Little Green, Chinese Cafe, to name but two. Imagine walking out of that adoption agency (Catholic Children's Aid) and knowing that you just have to carry on like nothing happened. And that's the way it was back in 1965. I don't know if that's true about Jackson Browne or not. There's a dull and familiar ache in my gut whenever I think about it. It is nearly impossible for me to listen to Jackson without thinking/wondering. It is a challenge for me to 'like' him / to listen to him in the same way, as a result of all of those accusations. References made about him in Not To Blame. We can draw our own conclusions regardless. And speaking of shades of blue, Turbulent Indigo is one of my favourite albums. A wonderful example of finding comfort in melancholy with no need to explain. Songs that resonate with me on so many levels, and as with Little Green, what a breath of fresh air to know that someone has the courage to speak her truth, for all the world to hear, and then some. The old gal's had a hard knock life, but she's still kicking at the day light. Mags npimh: the day she hits, that's the day she leaves - --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:43:35 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Covers 99 Bob, thanks so much for taking the time. Sometimes, I cant help thinking that Yes, it IS possible to have too many versions of BSN, CG, BYT, but there are real gems on this compilation, especially, for me, Last Chance Lost, Shadows&L, and the gorgeous version of Case of You. You're a hero! M _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:46:25 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: tickets >When I was waiting for tickets to see Joni, Dylan and Van Morrison at >the Gorge in 1998. i had never seen Joni live. I was a nervous wreck >until I actually had the tickets in my hand. >Mark in Seattle I know what you mean Mark, Just securing the tickets to see Joni can be very emotional. Marianne ~ _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Suicide, njc To add to the list, I had a friend kill herself about two weeks ago. Her name was Vanessa. She wasn't depressed. She was paranoid. We think she might have gotten some bad weed. She left us a suicide note that was very detailed about what to do after she was gone. Suicide seemed like the answer to her. She went to a cemetary and shot herself. The week before she did this she asked me if we could get together so she could talk with me. We didn't, and I feel sad about that now. I have been going with Vanessa's best friend to the all girl high school we both graduated from to talk to the girls about drug abuse and are telling Vanessa's story. She was very beautiful. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:40:09 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! Yes, it's been going on awhile...it was a little project I took on many dim years ago, hoping to find enough Joni covers to fill up a CD....HA! I'm well over 100 now and no signs of letting up, although I feel like I have pretty much caught up with almost all of the vinyl from the past 40 years (thank you Ebay!). Back in the old days I was making copies for those who wanted them and mailing around the world - nice to have yousendit these days to handle distribution for me. I typically post a new one on the 1st of the month, and then I go back and post an old one of the 15th, I started that a couple years ago so I'm on Volume 24/25 or somewhere around there. Musicisspecial Eric has also led the charge in circulating discs around - 10 at a time, where folks make copies and then recirculate them. I have one such set in my possession, if you're interested just send me your mailing address offlist and I'll pop them in the post to you. Thanks for the interest, it's a real labor of love for me! Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Filipino Box Spring Hog" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Her pitch was off, and she seems no longer able to reach those higher notes with any ease or power in her voice, which falls short of what she is aiming for. We have known this for a while, but I was sorry to see it plainly exposed in this video. I have never liked this song very much, and the Nissan set video only confirms my initial impression. As for Ms Kitchell - I agree she must have had a bad night - I saw nothing interesting in either of her performances. It was strange seeing Joni sharing the stage with a younger blonde ! hmmm.. I appreciated Herbie's demeanor and remarks in the fan Q&A segments. He seems like a lovely man. He was especially flattering of Joni. Michael in Quebec Kakki wrote: Well, ahem, I wasn't going to say anything about Sonya's performance but since some of you noticed... Lesli and Sue who were there may have a different take on it, but it seemed to me that maybe she just became sort of overwhelmed in the moment and was overtaken by good old fashioned stage fright. She lost her groove and couldn't recover it. I actually thought it came off better on the video than it was in person. I noticed Joni and her exchanging a few helpless smiles during the duet. Think she just got off the track - or maybe she was also under the weather from that awful worldwide virus that has been plaguing everyone the past few months! ;-) Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:44:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: njc Jody Grind Wow, thanks for that, Victor - that would be a REAL treat, her wonderful vocal on BMR, one of my fave Joni tunes. 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The idea that you disclose all these things to a person who remains totally anonymous seems not very helpful." Am I alone in thinking it sounds like he did a really good job? A good example of a process, not a fix. Oh well, I guess people tell you where they've gone they'll tell you where to go but till you get there yourself you never really know. Guess that came later. Happy Thursday, peeps, Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NRH-BYT Thank you so much for the link to BYT from that PARTICULAR performance! I love every and any song I have heard/seen from that performance. Joni really pulled it off there and I'd do almost anything to get an entire copy of that concert. -M vincenzo mancini wrote: Never seen both of them before but, I may be wrong... Night ride home (on Norwegian TV) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGCzKGRKGu8 Big Yellow Taxi (LA? Miles of Aisles era, "Help me", apparently form the same gig, did emerge some time ago as well) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlNZN94_u-s Any hints as to how to catch the Hancock-Mitchell yahoo session will be greatly appreciated... Vincenzo May your skies be blue _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&m kt=en-us - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:41:51 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Suicide, njc Laura, don't, please don't, take anything onto yourself because you did not get a chance to talk with Vanessa in her last week. If she was very detailed and went to a cemetery this was done with a foresight - tripped off by bad week or not - that says there was a course set there regardless. And she may have wanted to talk about something totally different anyway. I grieve with you and I send you all my best wishes - talking about it is a good thing to do and remember that she never meant to hurt you or anyone. Vince On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > To add to the list, I had a friend kill herself about two weeks ago. Her > name was Vanessa. She wasn't depressed. She was paranoid. We think she > might have gotten some bad weed. > > She left us a suicide note that was very detailed about what to do after > she was gone. Suicide seemed like the answer to her. She went to a cemetary > and shot herself. > > The week before she did this she asked me if we could get together so she > could talk with me. We didn't, and I feel sad about that now. > > I have been going with Vanessa's best friend to the all girl high school > we both graduated from to talk to the girls about drug abuse and are telling > Vanessa's story. She was very beautiful. > > Love, > Laura > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:45:40 -0800 From: Susan Glumac Subject: Re: Sonya Kitchell My impression is that she had "Joni fright". Even though she is so young - at some level she must have sensed that she was in the presence of once in a lifetime genius. I recall what Elton John said at the tribute concert 'I'm more nervous than when I played for the Queen of England" - and he wasn't even doing a duet!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: suicide, njc Vince wrote: Laura, don't, please don't, take anything onto yourself because you did not get a chance to talk with Vanessa in her last week. If she was very detailed and went to a cemetery this was done with a foresight - tripped off by bad week or not - that says there was a course set there regardless. And she may have wanted to talk about something totally different anyway. I grieve with you and I send you all my best wishes - talking about it is a good thing to do and remember that she never meant to hurt you or anyone. Hi Vince, Thank you for your kind words. Unfortunately, I know Vanessa wanted to talk to me about being paranoid. I had no idea how bad off she was and didn't push to talk with her right away. She didn't seem upset, was all smiles. I told her to call me because I felt somewhat pressed for time, but I could have made the time right then to talk with her. I do wonder if I had the chance to talk with her if she might not have killed herself. Now I'm starting to cry. I have learned from this to not put off talking with somebody who reaches out to me. I have no real idea of what the outcome might have been if I had talked with her, but I wish I had taken the time. I know she didn't mean to hurt anybody. She put that in her suicide note. I know there seemed like no other solution to her. She said she couldn't live the way she was any more. She called herself a coward in the note. She was paranoid of everybody and warned her kids not to trust anybody except family. She even thought her best friend was trying to set her up. She asked us to forgive her. I do. And, I forgive myself too. All of us friends of her's are staying close together getting through this. I'm not alone. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:14:36 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE; Joni's suicide attempt I just wrote: "Am I alone in thinking it sounds like he did a really good job? A good example of a process, not a fix. Oh well, I guess people tell you where they've gone they'll tell you where to go but till you get there yourself you never really know. Guess that came later." I just looked at what I'd written and thought it was a bit dense. For what it's worth, what I meant was that it read to me like Joni went into meet with this person (I guess a therapist of some persuasion), saying: "I went to see him and said "okay blah blah blah" and just started to rap from the time I came in through the door - which turned out to be 40 minutes of everything I thought was bothering me. Which included a description of myself as being a person who never spoke" So, in this, Joni finds herself talking from the beginning - and all about everything bothering her and realises that the self image she has created (being a person who never spoke) has been completely undone in the '40 minutes of (telling him) everything'. She had been feeling 'catatonic' but, in the meeting with him, found 'there I was, blabbing my mouth off to him.' Well,I would say, 'How did that happen that you felt able to do that?' The answer would be, of course, something about him, his presence and, probably, his anonymity. Then he chucks in the 60 million dollar question about has she ever felt suicidal and she responds by saying she sometimes feels 'very bad' but has to 'make another record'. He hands her his card and tells her to go away and call him if she feels suicidal. I think that whole process was a real result for the guy who sat and heard her. It sounds like he let her find her way to her truth - that she feels bad, but she has to make another record, she's says she's not suicidal, but feels 'very bad' and he trusts that. She then says she went into the room with her face 'immobile' and leaves with a 'grin breaking over my face at the irony of it all.' That's what I meant about a good example of a process in which this man/therapist was present. It's not easy to sit listening for 40 minutes to everything 'bothering' someone, especially if they have been on the edge, as she clearly had been. I personally give this man a round of applause for not pathologising Joni, not encouraging her to come back and see him every week for years but giving her the space to find her way back to herself, her personal power and her wellness. Within this short time, she has gone from an almost catatonic state to finding herself 'grinning about the irony of it all.' Well done whoever you are! A brilliant empowering process which he was part of, simply by being an anonymous witness. Shame Joni was so derisory. I also hope this is clearer about my earlier email although I am pretty sure that the only one who is that bothered about the denseness is me! LOL Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:25:59 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE; Joni's suicide attempt (one more thing) Just a wee but crucial addition to my last post, I have also noticed from Deb's article post that Joni, in this session, ended up: "telling him I had all this things to live for." RESULT I would say. And also thanks, unknown therapy man, for helping Joni stay around to make more records and still sing like she did t'other week. Bloody smashing. Anita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: RE; Joni's suicide attempt From: Anita Tedder >>>I just looked at what I'd written and thought it was a bit dense. I didn't think so at all, probably because I agree with you. I think a lot of people expect therapists to be like medical doctors in that you'll tell them what's wrong and they'll fix it with an exact remedy. I suppose Doctors who prescribe meds are doing just that, but I think in many cases the "talking cure" is still a good approach. Michael F. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 20:04:01 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: NJC Macgariggle and Nick Cave Hi there Benedicte ! I'm just listening up on Nick Cave- and I have borrowed the CD with "Halleluja" form a friend, the CD called "No more shall we part" I found it really growing in it's beauty. No, he can't sing, but that's the kinda off beauty in it- It's kinda raw - it has som edge to it, it doesn 't give itself away at first, not to easily acchieved, you have to work on it. And when you do, when you give it a second listening you'll find the songs sneaking and creeping upon you, almost like a rite or somehing, and you have to give it antother listen and another and another... Nick Cave's vocal is just there, like his voice and the tone of his voice, in a way begins to be a part of me, this is not as creepy as it sounds, this is just the way his music effects me. I discover more and more of his musical qualities and not at least his talents at writing texts. I wonder why didn't I catch up with this great music before.... The MacGarriggle sister's was kind of an opening gate for me, Kate, mother to Rufus and Martha Wainwright and Anna has stuck with me for some time. I have to listen more to their records, but all I have heard so far gives me some inspiration, I think they have a genuine interest in music and special gift in sharing their enthusiasm all over. And me having this weakness for female vocalists was of course already sold ! When I saw that they were backing choir for Nicke Cave, I had to give in, and finally discover some great male vocal music. On time !!! And I'm sure there may be more And I'm also sure Cave's newst album is interesting and intriguing as well ! Thanks for the-great-music reminder, Benedicte ! Best ! Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:01:30 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: bad joni art or maybe just impressionistic? From "America's Most Prolific Artist" (ebay) The Blue cover looks more like Peter Tosh. http://tinyurl.com/268ocb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana I've seriously enjoyed Joni's and Herbie's live version of Hana, along with the rest of the talented jazz musicians performing at the Nissan venue. It seems that's the one song from the album, 'Shine,' which I've heard most complaints about here on the JMDL. I love the bass of Hana here...takes me back to the journeys of Hejira and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter with Jaco. I don't have the liner notes to many of my CDs since the favorite ones that were always at my reach in my bedroom were destroyed in the Christmas fire here. So, was it Larry Klein who was on bass on Hejira? I can't complain nor be the critic here though I wish I could so I wouldn't seem to be so flattering about Joni's works. I'm just so grateful that Joni's back with us and with Herbie that nothing else matters. I can't help but cry me a river y'all when I see Joni on the video. Honestly! And like Rickie Lee cries out all of her soul to the Father on her latest, most enlightened, beautiful, wonderous works, "The Sermon on Exposition Boulevard," I too shall repeat some of the "words" to the Father for sharing with us and bringing us Joni with Herbie once again. Where I Like It Best ~Rickie Lee Jones~ ~i just want to say thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you i just wanted to say thank you thank you thank you I want to say You are where i like it best You are where i like it best You are where i like it best ~That's the Lord's prayer You are where I want to be So amen, just amen Amen, all by myself, amen, amen i'm so lonely, amen, amen and i'm rising, rising, just amen You can look through my eyes hear through my heart look through my eyes hear through my heart~. ~Rickie Lee~ Thank You for Joni Thank You for Herbie Thank you for everyone on the JMDL I just want to say thank You, thank You, thank You Joni's where I like it best in this shattered world Joni's where I want to be in this suffering world Please Father, please, please, please Father, please I'm down here, down here, down here Down on my knees, begging, pleading Do something about the evil doers who are running the United States of America Do something to make this world a better place Do something to bring all of the songbirds out of the dungeon Do something for all those who are suffering under the hands of the wicked ones Father, please Look at the little light that shine Look at all the lamps that are burning Burning, shining, burning, shining Shining, shining, shining with tears in our eyes Always Yours, Jeannie Michael wrote: At the risk of getting flamed here, I thought Joni's performances were very uneven in teh Nissan Live sets. She looks beautiful and completely in her element with jazz musicians. I thought River and Tea Leaf Prophecy were quite wonderful, magical even, but Hanna made me shudder. Her pitch was off, and she seems no longer able to reach those higher notes with any ease or power in her voice, which falls short of what she is aiming for. We have known this for a while, but I was sorry to see it plainly exposed in this video. I have never liked this song very much, and the Nissan set video only confirms my initial impression. As for Ms Kitchell - I agree she must have had a bad night - I saw nothing interesting in either of her performances. It was strange seeing Joni sharing the stage with a younger blonde ! hmmm.. I appreciated Herbie's demeanor and remarks in the fan Q&A segments. He seems like a lovely man. He was especially flattering of Joni. Michael in Quebec Kakki wrote: Well, ahem, I wasn't going to say anything about Sonya's performance but since some of you noticed... Lesli and Sue who were there may have a different take on it, but it seemed to me that maybe she just became sort of overwhelmed in the moment and was overtaken by good old fashioned stage fright. She lost her groove and couldn't recover it. I actually thought it came off better on the video than it was in person. I noticed Joni and her exchanging a few helpless smiles during the duet. Think she just got off the track - or maybe she was also under the weather from that awful worldwide virus that has been plaguing everyone the past few months! ;-) Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213 ~nj~ - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bad joni art now just plain bad art and njc - --- Randy Remote wrote: > or maybe just impressionistic? From "America's Most > Prolific Artist" (ebay) > The Blue cover looks more like Peter Tosh. > http://tinyurl.com/268ocb > Check out his website: http://www.stevekeene.com He's got that assembly line thing going. Does anyone have those "starving artists" shows where they live? I haven't seen them for a long time but they often just set up exhibits around a car by the roadside, sort of like the guys that sell crappy carpets or baby walkers, or flags of different countries when it's FIFA cup time. Reminds me of that. He probably makes a good buck though. People still buy those velvet things and the Elvis busts, so there's a market. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:44:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana Not Larry, it was Jaco Pastorius on bass (for the most part) on Hejira, DJRD, Mingus, and S&L. Larry came on the scene for WTRF, which I just lstened to Monday in my car nice & loud and I was really digging his bass playing on that whole album. Bob NP: Tom Petty, "Square One" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:57:34 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: RE; Joni's suicide attempt From: "Anita Tedder" > "Am I alone in thinking it sounds like he did a really good job? She went in depressed. Came out happy. Mission accomplished, I'd say. The odd part for me is that Joni goes out saying how this kind of crap doesn't work. Seems like it did. I also thought about that line from FTR-kind of the opposite of this situation- I came in as bright as a neon light And I burned out right there before him I told him these things I'm telling you now Watched them buckle up in his brow When you dig down deep you lose good sleep And it makes you heavy company RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:00:40 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, hawk attack Weren't we just talking about hawks? A hawk attacked a CT middle-school girl at Fenway Park! http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15784355/detail.html Poor kid! Love, Patti P., who much prefers doves over hawks NPIMH: I looked a coyote right in the face On the road to Baljennie near my old home town He went running thru the whisker wheat Chasing some prize down And a hawk was playing with him Coyote was jumping straight up and making passes _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:19:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Subject: Herbie, Joni and Sonya Well, I watched the Yahoo concert for the first time yesterday and can't help but agree that Sonya was off, pretty far off. Her performance on the studio version of All I Want (on Amazon's special edition of Herbie's River) is much, much better. And Hana was off altogether, I think. The tempo was funny, or the vocals were out of synch with the band, or something....just not right. Joni sounded well overall though (compared to Travelogue!....) Bryan Subject: Herbie, Joni and Sonya Well, ahem, I wasn't going to say anything about Sonya's performance but since some of you noticed... Lesli and Sue who were there may have a different take on it, but it seemed to me that maybe she just became sort of overwhelmed in the moment and was overtaken by good old fashioned stage fright. She lost her groove and couldn't recover it. I actually thought it came off better on the video than it was in person. I noticed Joni and her exchanging a few helpless smiles during the duet. Think she just got off the track - or maybe she was also under the weather from that awful worldwide virus that has been plaguing everyone the past few months! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Birthdays, welcome and Joni Happy belated birthday to Catherine, Monika...oh my...Menopause Molly forgot one more birthday....you know who you are...so a happy Birthday to you too!!!! I guess I'm having one of those days...but I want to thank Kakki for the last posting....about Joni/James Taylor etc. (Welcome to kbhla!!!) Kakki, I think your posting is extremely important...and I thank you. I know that someone as creative as Joni probably suffers bouts of dark days. Oh can I ever relate to that...but I'm not talented!!!! Joni worked her depression out in what I suspect were many ways. Maybe a SSRI would have been of some help...maybe not. Maybe Joni has a really difficult time with long-term romantic relationships...maybe not, but if you take a broad look at her relationships, it's a likely thought. To think that this very, very private information was/is written about in newspapers or magazines must be horrendous for Joni...for anyone! But, I suppose this is part of the "game". Does anyone know if Joni is planning or began an autobiography? Hope everyone enjoys a safe and wonderful weekend! Love from Bo - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 23:06:10 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: RE: RE; Joni's suicide attempt Nice one, Randy. Love the quote Anita - -----Original Message----- From: Randy Remote [mailto:guitarzan@hughes.net] Sent: 03 April 2008 19:58 To: Anita Tedder; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: RE; Joni's suicide attempt From: "Anita Tedder" > "Am I alone in thinking it sounds like he did a really good job? She went in depressed. Came out happy. Mission accomplished, I'd say. The odd part for me is that Joni goes out saying how this kind of crap doesn't work. Seems like it did. I also thought about that line from FTR-kind of the opposite of this situation- I came in as bright as a neon light And I burned out right there before him I told him these things I'm telling you now Watched them buckle up in his brow When you dig down deep you lose good sleep And it makes you heavy company RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Suicide, Electricity, Yahoo/Nissan Video/Tour Rumors Not ignoring you, Chris - just haven't been on this machine in a day or two which is REALLY rare for me....anyway, the link is: http://tinyurl.com/yo4c5h And it's good for another week and a half and a WHOLE bunch of downloads so you should be golden. Thanks too for sharing the dirt, I do hope Joni does some more shows! Bob NP: Kathleen Edwards, "I Make The Dough, You Get The Glory" ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, hawk attack lol, I thought this was going to be about John McCain when I saw the subject line and that it was from you, Patti! :) Em - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Weren't we just talking about hawks? > > A hawk attacked a CT middle-school girl at Fenway Park! > > http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/15784355/detail.html > > Poor kid! I have a Sportster ON PURPOSE. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:42:00 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: bad joni art now just plain bad art and njc > Check out his website: http://www.stevekeene.com > He probably makes a good buck though. People still buy > those velvet things and the Elvis busts, so there's a > market. > Catherine Yeah I was just checking out his website as well. More power to him if he can do this and not work at mcdonald's. He says the paintings are just a souvenir of the process, which is kind of a cool way of looking at it. Apparently he has done cover art for some indie band cds, too. RR >> or maybe just impressionistic? From "America's Most >> Prolific Artist" (ebay) >> The Blue cover looks more like Peter Tosh. >> http://tinyurl.com/268ocb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Subject: Herbie, Joni and Sonya I don't know who Sonya is and I'm sorry and apologize for this but, yes, she was off key, even on her solo, 'All I Want,' it seems to me. I've never seen nor really heard Joni accompanied by another female vocalist. Has Joni ever had female back-up vocalists that I may not be aware of? Who is Sonya? She seems like a nice girl and I'm glad Joni chose her since she seems to be down to earth and not one of these poker chip disc chicks of la-la land glitter and glam and all that Britney/Madonna/Aguilera/Whatever (tits/ass) false nonsense who sing with their vocal chords and not with their heart, mind and soul because they can't and work for the money. Well, on another subject, I forgot to mention that Joni looks stunningly beautiful---I cannot believe she's in her 60's. BTW, my son has a picture of German-born Nico from the Velvet Underground who also hung out with Jackson Browne, as one of his pics on his screen saver. She was very pretty, too. On that particular photograph of Nico, her hair is blond and looks beautiful. (She appeared in Fellini's, 'La Dolce Vita.') My son says she reminds him of Joni. (Poor Nico got into heroin and had that air of that awful,negative, black, Gothic-like feel and tragically died falling off a bicycle?!?) He's looking for a picture of Joni when she's leaning back against a tree and her hair is brushed to the side or a picture of her sensual side. Any clues to where he may find that photo to download as a screen saver, he has asked? Back to Sonya. Maybe she was simply nervous and felt fumbly--maybe intimidated by such a gracious, focused and listening crowd--the kind Joni and Herbie attract. I don't know. Even her dancing seemed somewhat awkward. I can't blame her one bit. Her voice is unique and I liked her alot, that's it. Jeannie Bryan wrote: Well, I watched the Yahoo concert for the first time yesterday and can't help but agree that Sonya was off, pretty far off. Her performance on the studio version of All I Want (on Amazon's special edition of Herbie's River) is much, much better. And Hana was off altogether, I think. The tempo was funny, or the vocals were out of synch with the band, or something....just not right. Joni sounded well overall though (compared to Travelogue!....) Bryan Subject: Herbie, Joni and Sonya Well, ahem, I wasn't going to say anything about Sonya's performance but since some of you noticed... Lesli and Sue who were there may have a different take on it, but it seemed to me that maybe she just became sort of overwhelmed in the moment and was overtaken by good old fashioned stage fright. She lost her groove and couldn't recover it. I actually thought it came off better on the video than it was in person. I noticed Joni and her exchanging a few helpless smiles during the duet. Think she just got off the track - or maybe she was also under the weather from that awful worldwide virus that has been plaguing everyone the past few months! ;-) Kakki ~nj~ - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:17:19 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Man From Mars Hi folks. Does anyone know if Joni wrote the song, Man From Mars for the movie, Grace of My Heart or if she just released it to be recorded for the soundtrack? I haven't seen the movie so, I don't know if the lyrics fit the storyline of the film. Also, does anyone know the full story of why Joni's version wasn't used in the film? I heard that it had something to do with a legal/ timing issue. That her recording didn't get approval in time for the film's release. Kristin Vigard's recording is not a patch on Joni's. On the other hand, I am in rapture whenever I hear Laurent Cugny's version of the song. For me, Laurant actually surpasses Joni on this cover. It is gorgeous. Does anyone know anything about Laurent Cugny? The name looks French to me. French? French-Canadian? This is one of my favourite covers. Mark in Sydney NP Stay In Touch - Ian Shaw ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:06:36 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: First sound recording njc Let me get this straight. The guy invented a way to record sounds but not a way to *play them back*? LOL. How French is that? And it was 7 generations before people on another continent figured out how to play it back? This is like a sketch from Bob Newhart. His won't count anyway, because he wasn't the first *American to record sound. So, Edison was the first to reproduce sound. Close enough. If I remember right, he has a claim to being among the pioneers to figure out- * how to transfer large amounts of electricity across vast distances. * how to build an incandescent light bulb (by very, very tedious trial and error), and then, how to manufacture them economically. * how to make movies. He gave the idea to George Eastman. Eastman figured out how to replace glass plates with flexible acetate (and later, non-flammable material). Thanks for the laugh. (It's time for the JMDL fact-checkers to issue their corrections.) Jim npimh: "You expect me to reproduce ze sound? Sir, I am an artiste, not an engineer!" >researchers say they have unearthed a recording of the human voice, made by a little-known Frenchman, that predates Edison's invention of the phonograph by nearly two decades. It was made, the researchers say, on April 9, 1860, on a machine designed to record sounds visually, not to play them back. But the phonautograph recording, or phonautogram, was made playable - - - converted from squiggles on paper to sound - by scientists at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in Berkeley, Calif.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:16:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: slide show on Yahoo That's going to be tough to frame. Jim L'Hommedieu >Haven't listened to the music yet, but looked at the slide show. Joni's painting her dog.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:28:10 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jeannie" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Herbie, Joni and Hana > > > Not Larry, it was Jaco Pastorius on bass (for the most part) on > Hejira, for Hejira: Jaco plays on: Coyote Hejira Black Crow Refuge of the Roads Max Bennett does the honors on: Furry Sings the Blues Song For Sharon And Chuck Domanico plays on Blue Motel Room There is no bass credited on: Amelia A Strange Boy As I said in a previous post, I have been listening to my HDCD copy of Hejira in my car and marvelling at the full, lush, beautiful sound of the music. In looking at the liner notes I was astonished at how few musicians created the sounds on this record. I don't know why this never hit me before. I always read liner notes and credits, especially on Joni's records. But really, Hejira could be called a minimalist work. And the sounds - particularly on 'Amelia' which credits Joni on rhythm guitar, Larry Carlton on lead guitar, Victor Feldman on vibes - and that's it - seem so full. I started out being in love with Joni's words more than anything. In my recent listenings to Hejira I have found myself concentrating on the music. It's almost like hearing an entirely new record. And it's amazing! I used to think it was somewhat monochromatic and slightly monotonous. It is anything but! And so few instruments! I think it was the Well's Fargo Theatre concert from the Gene Autrey Museum that first made me feel amazement at just how much Joni can get out of a guitar. I think her playing on Hejira is amazing. And the combinations created with Jaco, Max, Larry, Victor, Bobbye Hall, et al are wonderful. Oh and Neil Young's harmonica is a great addition to 'Furry' as well. Mark in Seattle preaching to the choir here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:26:05 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: JM and EC at CE's place in LC There was some discussion a few weeks back about a Henry Diltz photo I linked to: http://tinyurl.com/2lzztn that shows Joni playing music for Clapton and Crosby and, I'm assuming, a fairly hip toddler. Monika remembered reading something about this photo and how Eric "Clapton is God" was trying to figure out what Joni was doing on the guitar. Well, in the process of looking for something about Mama Cass, I stumbled upon the article, I guess, that Monika read. Here's the money: "Eric Clapton sat spellbound on the lawn of Laurel Canyon neighbour 'Mama' Cass Elliot as Joni cooed 'Urge For Going', a song inspired by the death of the folk movement. Crosby was at her side, a joint in his mouth and a Cheshire-cat smile of satisfaction on his face. 'Cass had organised a little backyard barbecue,' says photographer Henry Diltz. 'Because she'd met Cream she invited Clapton, who was very quiet and almost painfully shy. And Joni was there and doing her famous tunings, and Eric sat and stared at her hands to try and figure out what she was doing.'" And the link to the whole thing: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1594195,00.html I've got to believe that this has been discussed here before, but for you other newcomers, enjoy. Impeach Bush (and Cheers!), David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #19 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------