From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #18 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 3 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 018 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "Girls Like Us" the whole book! ["T Peckham" ] Re: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? ["Mark Scott" ] Re: another canyon lady... now brownies NJC [David Eoll ] Herbie, Joni and Sonya [] Re: another canyon lady... now brownies NJC [Bruce Eggleston Subject: "Girls Like Us" the whole book! Hi everyone, I just rejoined the list, but have always been a bit of a lurker. Been meaning to jump in, and now seems like a good time. To add to the chat about the book "Girls Like Us," particularly this latest item about Joni's suicide attempt, I just want to say that I'm fortunate to have read the entire book (sorry, can't say how), and I found it to be quite meticulously researched, with most sources on the record, and very few anonymous ones. The item from Fox News is just an extremely condensed snippet of what's in the book. This is also true of the Vanity Fair excerpt. Also, the book is true to its subtitle--"Carole/Joni/Carly. . .--and the Journey of a Generation"--in that it isn't just a "gossipy" discussion of these women's romantic entanglements, but it addresses their music AND their personal lives in the overall context of the times. So I just hope everyone will judge the book in total, and I'm looking forward to other people's thoughts. Thanks for listening! - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. NP: Tom Waits, Nighthawks At the Diner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:41:12 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joni LIST" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:43 AM Subject: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? When have you ever had this thrill of > just waiting for the ticket to arrive, and then looking at if after > it > arrived? > When I was waiting for tickets to see Joni, Dylan and Van Morrison at the Gorge in 1998. i had never seen Joni live. I was a nervous wreck until I actually had the tickets in my hand. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 03:03:23 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Bon anniversaire, Catherine de Toronto! Et Monika, aussi Bon anniversaire, Catherine de Toronto! I just got the latest digest (only skimmed it) and thought it would be filled w/ birthday messages for you, mais au contraire. Everyone's talking about JONI! Ha! And happy belated birthday to you, Monika. (Even though you "got me" for a minute with your Herbie and Joni tour April Fools joke at first....I was ready to book a flight to anywhere that might have been!) Let's go down to the Mermaid Cafe....no, let's go back to La Caille. I know you like French, CoT. I'll treat you tonight. Monika, too. Matt and Sarah, too. Hey, why not all of you? Hey honeys, I got lots of cash. Bring us out quelques bouteilles de vin blanc, we'll have some laughs. I shared this beauty of a restaurant with you shortly after Thanksgiving (I know Victor booked his flight....how did you like it?) but it's worth revisiting. Nestled in the foothills of Little Cottonwood Canyon, it's a delight for all of your senses. http://lacaille.com/index2.php?ver=v1 When I first shared this, I wondered who the singer was, and a little French bird (ou es tu, C?) told me it was Carla Bruni. I have been meaning to write about her. She's the gorgeous Italian model-turned-singer who recently married the new French President. I heard it through the grapevine that she is a "man-eater", and when everyone was talking about Eric Clapton a while back, I wanted to mention this (but was otherwise occupied): "It has been claimed that Carla Bruni was involved with Louis Bertignac, Mick Jagger (Jagger's wife acknowledged his affair with Bruni was one of the reasons for their separation), Eric Clapton, Donald Trump, Lios Carax, Charles Berling, Arno Klarsfeld, Vincent Perez and former French Prime Minister Laurent Fabius. She has said she is easily "bored with monogamy", and "Love lasts a long time, but burning desire - two to three weeks"." (That's from Wikipedia) Hot hot blazes come down to smoke and ash in two or three weeks? Okay, enough from me. Merci beaucoup to CoT for all of your contributions (I learned the difference between "annoying" and "aggravating" grace a toi, and you know there may be more....) and to Monika for all of your questions of a thousand Joni dreams. Bon nuit et bons reves! Patti P. P.S. Et bon anniversaire to Emmylou Harris, who turns 61 today. _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 03:05:54 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, TV Alert: Ani DiFranco Hey, Muller (and other Ani fans)! You still up? Ani is going to be on Leno tonight. xo, pp, off to watch The Daily Show _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:14:08 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: another canyon lady... now brownies NJC Two corrections: The brownies will be so moist that the toothpick will never come out perfectly clean. What you're looking for is a few moist crumbs on the toothpick instead of batter. You'll see the difference. And, hopefully before Patti corrects my French, I should've said... Bon appetit, (not apetite) David David Eoll wrote: >> From: Catherine McKay >> Subject: Re: another canyon lady... >> >> Uh, Annie? Can I have your brownie recipe? Please? >> Luv, >> Catie of the Canyon >> > > Since Annie's unavailable for questions, I'll share with you my favorite > brownie recipe: > > 2 oz (2 squares) unsweetened chocolate > 1/2 cup (1 stick) unsalted butter > 1 cup sugar > 2 large eggs, lightly beaten > 1/2 tsp vanilla > 1/4 cup all-purpose flour > 1/4 tsp salt > 1 cup coarsely chopped walnuts > > Preheat oven to 325 F. Butter and flour a 8x8 baking dish. Melt the > chocolate and butter in a saucepan over low heat. Remove from heat and > stir in sugar. Stir in eggs and vanilla until smooth. Add flour, salt, > nuts and stir until smooth. Pour into prepared pan. Bake until a > toothpick comes out clean, about 40 minutes. > > This makes a very fudgey brownie, perfect for hot brownie sundaes. If > fudge brownies are not what you're into, I've got several other recipes > I've had good luck with. > > Bon apetite, > David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:14:29 -0700 From: Subject: Joni's sadness It is true that Joni herself has discussed her depression and emotional battles in the 70s. I knew about it at the time - before internet and the popularity of tabloids. It started with the break-up with James Taylor. I remember being alarmed at the time reading an item in the L.A. Times to the effect that "everyone close to Joni Mitchell is extremely concerned about her after the break-up with James Taylor." This was in a major newspaper, not a gossip sheet. When FTR came out I totally regarded it as her sort of catharsis (and I was going through a similar one at the time). She has said in interviews that she ran away to B.C. and was pretty much catatonic for awhile. Then she said that one day she went swimming outside her place there and the cloud finally lifted. So she becomes involved with Jackson next and then gets her shell and heart ripped off again - maybe too soon - probably way too soon. I think Jackson gets the blame but it stems from the loss of James, too. It's sad but not too different from many peoples' experience at one point or another in their lives. Thankfully she made it through to the other side and hopefully learned (the hard way) that no sh*t out there is worth wanting to take your life. Yes, there is also clinical depression - which was not well-treated at all back then. They would tell you to go talk to a counselor and it did not help many people. They later learned about bio-chemical and nutritional imbalances and eventually found more effective ways to deal with it. One thing that is true, however, is that great emotional loss, shock or trauma can literally change the bio-chemical balance and put the system into a depressive state. I'm not surprised by this story - it is not an unusual one amongst the human scheme, but I do kind of feel bad for her that it is exposed in this book and articles. I wonder if she is O.K. with it. And we all know she talks too freely at times and maybe did not mean for certain of her stories to get so much publicity. Another thing is (and the Jackson fans might be mad) but just because someone writes and sings beautiful songs doesn't mean that they are all beautiful and good on the inside. There are many anomalies out there. I walked right into him once at a concert and I thought he had the coldest eyes I have ever seen. Cognitive dissonance. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:41:57 -0700 From: Subject: Herbie, Joni and Sonya Well, ahem, I wasn't going to say anything about Sonya's performance but since some of you noticed... Lesli and Sue who were there may have a different take on it, but it seemed to me that maybe she just became sort of overwhelmed in the moment and was overtaken by good old fashioned stage fright. She lost her groove and couldn't recover it. I actually thought it came off better on the video than it was in person. I noticed Joni and her exchanging a few helpless smiles during the duet. Think she just got off the track - or maybe she was also under the weather from that awful worldwide virus that has been plaguing everyone the past few months! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 00:16:52 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: another canyon lady... now brownies NJC Dear David, In the kindest way possible, this made me laugh out loud, it is very funny, because it is either completely and sweetly innocent, or camp at its finest. "Go ask Alice when she is ten feet tall." "You can get anything you want at Alice's restaurant." Laughing all the way, Bonneville Bruce > Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:32:05 -0400 > From: David Eoll > Subject: Re: another canyon lady... now brownies NJC > >> From: Catherine McKay >> Subject: Re: another canyon lady... >> >> Uh, Annie? Can I have your brownie recipe? Please? >> Luv, >> Catie of the Canyon >> > > Since Annie's unavailable for questions, I'll share with you my > favorite > brownie recipe: > > 2 oz (2 squares) unsweetened chocolate > 1/2 cup (1 stick) unsalted butter > 1 cup sugar > 2 large eggs, lightly beaten > 1/2 tsp vanilla > 1/4 cup all-purpose flour > 1/4 tsp salt > 1 cup coarsely chopped walnuts > > Preheat oven to 325 F. Butter and flour a 8x8 baking dish. Melt the > chocolate and butter in a saucepan over low heat. Remove from heat > and > stir in sugar. Stir in eggs and vanilla until smooth. Add flour, > salt, > nuts and stir until smooth. Pour into prepared pan. Bake until a > toothpick comes out clean, about 40 minutes. > > This makes a very fudgey brownie, perfect for hot brownie sundaes. If > fudge brownies are not what you're into, I've got several other > recipes > I've had good luck with. > > Bon apetite, > David > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:30:02 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Subject: NJC UK jonifest / Cambridge folkfestival Bene UK Fest is evening of 21st August to morning of 25th August Rather a long way from CAmbridge Folk Festival Sorry to disappoint and, like Glastonbury, I think you have to enter a ballot to get tix for CFF it has become HUGER than HUGE Lucy Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:54:25 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC UK jonifest / Cambridge folkfestival I know there is some way I can figure this out, but I forgot t exact dates for the UK Jonifest. I was just looking at he Cambridge Folkfestival which has a LOT of names that people on the list like, and it's from Thursday 31 July to Sunday 3 August 2008 - isn't that pretty close to Jonifest?? Their website: http://www.cambridgefolkfestival.co.uk/ The idea is: why don't we all go...:-D Bene ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #18 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------