From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #17 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 2 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 017 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's suicide attempt [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt oops gotta correct my typo [Deb Messling ] NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? [missblux@googlemail.com] Jackson Browne [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Herbie & Joni's show on Yahoo ["Music Is Special" ] Fwd: Re: Eurofest 2008 ENGLAND August 21(evening) to Monday 25th (am) LONG and complicated but plea ["Donna Binkl] Re: suicide, njc ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? [missblux@googlemail.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?SV:_SV:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= ["Marion Leffler" ] "Girls Like Us"--the whole book! ["T Peckham" ] "Girls Like Us"--the whole book! ["T Peckham" ] Re: Judy Collins concert NJC [David Eoll ] Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! [David Eoll ] Re: Joni for Guitar Hero [Coleen ] "Girls Like Us"--the whole book! ["T Peckham" ] Re: njc Jody Grind [Victor Johnson ] Suicide, Electricity, Yahoo/Nissan Video/Tour Rumors ["Christopher Treacy] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:17:27 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt >We have all felt the tragic in Joni's work, that is one reason her music touches us so deeply in our own wounded places.< Beautifully put, Vince. Mark in Sydney NP Street Scene (4 Shazz) - St Germain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:32:33 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt This is a snippet from a 1972 interview in Sounds magazine. It doesn't disapprove a specific suicide attempt, but I think Joni's self-description in this passage rings true: "A couple of years ago I got very depressed - to the point where I thought it was no longer a problem for burdening my friends with. But I needed to talk to someone who was very indifferent, so I thought I'd pay this guy to listen to me. I had done a lot of thinking beforehand as to what was eating me, so there wasn't a great deal of uncovering to do. I went to see him and said "okay blah blah blah" and just started to rap from the time I came in through the door - which turned out to be 40 minutes of everything I thought was bothering me. Which included a description of myself as being a person who never spoke, which naturally he found hard to understand! But it was true that in day to day life I was practically catatonic. There were moments when I thought I had nothing pertinent to say, but there I was, blabbing my mouth off to him. "So in the end he looked at me and said "Well do you ever feel suicidal?" and I said "Sometimes I feel very bad but I have to make another record..." telling him I had all this things to live for. So he just handed me his card and said, "Listen - call me again sometime when you feel suicidal". And I went out into the street - I'd come in completely dead pan, my face immobile even when I talked - and I just felt this grin breaking over my face at the irony of it all. At the thought that this man was going to help me at all. I don't see that they really do much good. The idea that you disclose all these things to a person who remains totally anonymous seems not very helpful." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:14:49 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt oops gotta correct my typo At 06:32 AM 4/2/2008, you wrote: This is a snippet from a 1972 interview in Sounds magazine. It doesn't DISPROVE a specific suicide attempt, but I think Joni's self-description in this passage rings true: "A couple of years ago I got very depressed - to the point where I thought it was no longer a problem for burdening my friends with. But I needed to talk to someone who was very indifferent, so I thought I'd pay this guy to listen to me. I had done a lot of thinking beforehand as to what was eating me, so there wasn't a great deal of uncovering to do. I went to see him and said "okay blah blah blah" and just started to rap from the time I came in through the door - which turned out to be 40 minutes of everything I thought was bothering me. Which included a description of myself as being a person who never spoke, which naturally he found hard to understand! But it was true that in day to day life I was practically catatonic. There were moments when I thought I had nothing pertinent to say, but there I was, blabbing my mouth off to him. "So in the end he looked at me and said "Well do you ever feel suicidal?" and I said "Sometimes I feel very bad but I have to make another record..." telling him I had all this things to live for. So he just handed me his card and said, "Listen - call me again sometime when you feel suicidal". And I went out into the street - I'd come in completely dead pan, my face immobile even when I talked - and I just felt this grin breaking over my face at the irony of it all. At the thought that this man was going to help me at all. I don't see that they really do much good. The idea that you disclose all these things to a person who remains totally anonymous seems not very helpful." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:23:07 -0400 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: suicide, njc My friend Barbara Preston killed herself on February 26th she lived in Rochester and moved to Seatle. very sad she was depressed for many years. . . and I never would have known it. (She used a gun.) I thought I would mention this with the talk of suicide. it is very common, as many of you know Marianne ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:43:29 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? Am just wondering if anyone has heard the new Nick Cave? I know there aren't many Cave-men or women on this list... But I was just listening to his Hallelujah (no not a Cohen cover!) with the MacGarrigle sisters who until recently I had never heard of... And wondering what it is about this singer that attracts me so much. He can't really sing! Plus I needed to share the thrill with someone that I've got a ticket to see him in London on 9 April. When have you ever had this thrill of just waiting for the ticket to arrive, and then looking at if after it arrived? Or, when my friend and I went to see him in Cologne: the thrill of looking at the audience in the foyer, as they arrived from various corners of Northern Germany. Maybe, I wondered, this is what religious people feel when they go to church on Sunday? I've said this before: to me, he and Joni have little in common musically, except that I see something very spiritual in both. And this is trivial, I KNOW, but I don't get the same feeling with other musicians.. so there.... Yes, this was a rant, I know! Bene NP God is in the House / Nick Cave / No more shall we part ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:06:39 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Jackson Browne I just feel it's important to remember that the linking of 'Not To Blame' to JB was made by Browne himself and the media, never by Joni. Finding out that the song might have been taking a fairly vicious swipe at him pretty much spoiled it for me, I have to admit, but if the 'driving someone to suicide' reference in the song was something Joni herself actually experienced with Browne, the jigsaw puzzle makes a bit more sense. I dont think it's simply a matter of taking revenge on an ex. I agree with the comments on Sonya K on 'Hana' - she's got a nice quality to her voice (in All I want), but she certainly isn't gifted with perfect pitch. And River? Gorgeous - Joni does it again: the best cover versions of her songs are her own! M _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Windows Live is here http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:19:08 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Herbie & Joni's show on Yahoo thanks for the link. I watched from the Johannesburg airport and even with the wireless connection here it looks like those who were lucky enough to go witnesses something special. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" To: "JMDL" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Herbie & Joni's show on Yahoo > Herbie's show with Joni's is finally up on Yahoo at: > > http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 > > I haven't had a chance to view it yet, I'm looking forward to savoring it > tomorrow when I have the time to sit and enjoy it... maybe do a little > dancing in my den. > > Warmly, > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:30:03 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? It's not out in the US yet, but I've got it ordered. Like the title cut. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of missblux@googlemail.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:43 AM To: Joni LIST Subject: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? Am just wondering if anyone has heard the new Nick Cave? I know there aren't many Cave-men or women on this list... But I was just listening to his Hallelujah (no not a Cohen cover!) with the MacGarrigle sisters who until recently I had never heard of... And wondering what it is about this singer that attracts me so much. He can't really sing! Plus I needed to share the thrill with someone that I've got a ticket to see him in London on 9 April. When have you ever had this thrill of just waiting for the ticket to arrive, and then looking at if after it arrived? Or, when my friend and I went to see him in Cologne: the thrill of looking at the audience in the foyer, as they arrived from various corners of Northern Germany. Maybe, I wondered, this is what religious people feel when they go to church on Sunday? I've said this before: to me, he and Joni have little in common musically, except that I see something very spiritual in both. And this is trivial, I KNOW, but I don't get the same feeling with other musicians.. so there.... Yes, this was a rant, I know! Bene NP God is in the House / Nick Cave / No more shall we part ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:47:50 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? Ah! I guess we'll get it at the same time then because I haven't got it yet either! I'd be interested in your review when you get it! Bene On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > It's not out in the US yet, but I've got it ordered. Like the title cut. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > missblux@googlemail.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:43 AM > To: Joni LIST > Subject: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? > > Am just wondering if anyone has heard the new Nick Cave? > > I know there aren't many Cave-men or women on this list... But I was > just listening to his Hallelujah (no not a Cohen cover!) with the > MacGarrigle sisters who until recently I had never heard of... And > wondering what it is about this singer that attracts me so much. He > can't really sing! > > Plus I needed to share the thrill with someone that I've got a ticket > to see him in London on 9 April. When have you ever had this thrill of > just waiting for the ticket to arrive, and then looking at if after it > arrived? > > Or, when my friend and I went to see him in Cologne: the thrill of > looking at the audience in the foyer, as they arrived from various > corners of Northern Germany. Maybe, I wondered, this is what religious > people feel when they go to church on Sunday? > > I've said this before: to me, he and Joni have little in common > musically, except that I see something very spiritual in both. And > this is trivial, I KNOW, but I don't get the same feeling with other > musicians.. so there.... > > Yes, this was a rant, I know! > > Bene > NP God is in the House / Nick Cave / No more shall we part ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:54:25 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC UK jonifest / Cambridge folkfestival I know there is some way I can figure this out, but I forgot t exact dates for the UK Jonifest. I was just looking at he Cambridge Folkfestival which has a LOT of names that people on the list like, and it's from Thursday 31 July to Sunday 3 August 2008 - isn't that pretty close to Jonifest?? Their website: http://www.cambridgefolkfestival.co.uk/ The idea is: why don't we all go...:-D Bene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:26:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > It's not out in the US yet, but I've got it ordered. > Like the title cut. I got a freebie of the title song on a sampler CD from paste magazine. me dig too. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:37:38 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt Yesterday-today Mark in Sydney wrote, and I thank him, referring to my statement >We have all felt the tragic in Joni's work, that is one reason her music touches us so deeply in our own wounded places.< Mark replied: Beautifully put, Vince. Earlier, Mark in Seattle critiqued my comments this way: > While I don't disagree with the message of helping others you convey in > your post, Vince, we have also all felt Joni's strength in her work, not > just the tragic. > > Again I thank Mark in Syndey, and I also thank Mark in Seattle because of course he is absolutely right and it was a needed correction-addition-supplement to my comment. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:04:59 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Fwd: Re: Eurofest 2008 ENGLAND August 21(evening) to Monday 25th (am) LONG and complicated but plea Hey Bene, Here is the original email send to the list by Queen Lucy. The site for the fest is www.holycombe.com and the dates are August 21 to Monday 25. Donna - ------------------- Text.htm follows -------------------
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Here is the original email send to the list by Queen Lucy.  The = site for the fest is www.holycombe.com=  and the dates are August 21 to Monday 25.
 
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Subject: Re: Eurofest 2008 ENGLAND August 21(evening) to Monday 25th (am) LONG and complicated but please respond. References: <4a670bba0707210350h7692da7s726d2f1d684272a0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4a670bba0707210350h7692da7s726d2f1d684272a0@mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91/3715/Sat Jul 21 08:39:12 2007 on smoe.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91/3715/Sat Jul 21 08:39:12 2007 on smoe.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (smoe.org [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:52:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (smoe.org [199.201.145.78]); Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Lucy Hone Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com X-Barracuda-Bayes: INNOCENT GLOBAL 0.5000 1.0000 0.0100 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at bbigw.com X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.01 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.5 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.48346 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- OK here goes for those who may be interested I would like to float this to the group to see about tentative bookings for an event next August to be held at this location. www.holycombe.com I am being asked to put down a deposit to hold the place open but really cannot put up my own money without some sort of committment from everyone else. It is an amazing place in the heart of some of the most beautiful countryside you will see in England. It really has something special going on... Here is the enquiry I made >Dear Sally >> >>I am contacting you with an enquiry regarding the possibility of holding >>a gathering of people who appreciate the music of Joni Mitchell. >> >>The JMDL is a longstanding discussion group and over the years have held >>"Fests" in America, Europe and the UK. if you go to www.jmdl.com that is >>the mother page of the group and you can see about the fests that have >>taken place. >> >>I came to Holycombe in April last year for my old friend Christine >>Cleere's Life Affirmation and I have to say that the instant I arrived, >>I thought what a great place it would be to hold a UK fest. To find >>somewhere with a performance space, sleeping, catering, a bit of camping >>ground and in such a "back to the garden setting" is so unusual that I >>want to see what can be arranged. >> >>Garrett McDermott who is also a list member has seen your website and >>though it was a good idea to float this venue and some prices to the >>group to see how many people might be interested. >> >>It is possible that we might look at the August Bank holiday of 2008. I >>realise that this a request far in advance but feel it needs to be made >>now, as people need to think about comitting to this and the more time >>they are given the better it will be. >> >>We are looking at about 25 people coming, maybe 35 as a maximum. >>We would want all the accommodation for a Thursday afternoon arrival and >>a Monday lunchtime leaving. so that would be Thurs, Fri, Sat and Sun >>nights. >> >>Is that possible? I know that you have people who hold their group >>meetings and clinics in the various therapy rooms and the Angel room so >>I would like to know that it would be possible to be able to be there >>and not disrupt anyone. As it would be a Bank Holiday the Monday may not >>be a problem, but the Thursday pm and Friday might be. >> >>The reason for this length of stay request is that some of the people >>who would be likely to attend would be coming from europe, America and >>Canada and they would need to get from Heathrow, or Gatwick on their day >>of arrival and overcome jetlag. If it was just a Friday night and >>Saturday night stay the journey would not be worth it. >> >>We would also like some camping availability (I would camp and I have >>and extra tent which sleeps four for other people). What amount of room >>is there for tents. We would also want the fire pit for the evening song >>circle, weather permitting. >> >>Would you allow any one with a camper van to sleep in their van? How >>much per person and how much for a van placement? I don't know of >>anyone with a camper van but I might get asked this... >> >>We will self cater, but I cannot remember how many ovens there are in >>the kitchen (which I know is not huge, but it is certainly adequate. Is >>there a freezer? are barbeques permitted? >> >>I know that you have all the prices on your website, but I thought that >>if I put it to you, you might be able to give us a guide price per head >>per night to include all the facilities we would need. >> >>Let me leave this enquiry with you and let you think about it. We are a >>very well behaved group of people, mostly middle aged, mostly middle >>management, but just old hippies at heart. >> >>Thank you, and I look forward to hearing from you. >> >>Best regards >> >>Lucy Hone > Here is the reply > I'm sure we can supply all that you ask. > >Aug bank hol 08 is available > >You can have 35 people - but only 20 max can "sit down" at our dining > table, > so if you didn't mind being a buffet that's fine. > We can accomodate > >(officially) 18 residentially but unofficially (and depending on how many > >couples who can sleep in a double bed together) about 25 people and then > >loads of campers. > We have a Singing Weekend where we have 50 people but we > >do depend on good weather to feed everyone picnic style outside. > If there are going to be a lot of you (over 18) you can use the > kitchen in The Lodge > >as well as the course kitchen, which is not usually part of the deal. > > >Camping - there is a flush loo and 2 stylish compost loos in the camping > >area and we should have put in a shower by Aug 08 up there. > >There is a firepit and yes to the camper van - > campers and camper van have a #10 discount per 48 hours, so #20 off > for a four night weekend on the price. > >Price - the price for a 48 hour weekend is #85 in 2008 > so if you double it > >for Thurs and Sun you get #170 per person. > Price for single supplements is #7.50 per person per night. > >Yes to barbeques. > >Fridges - there are fridges dotted all over the place but freezer > space is > >limited. > Me again now......... My take on it is that it is going to be absolute max #200 for accommodations (I don't understand the single supplement bit...so add #30 to the cost as a precaution) with campers taking off #20. so #180 if you camp. These prices can come down obviously...if single sups dont apply if all the space is taken (I hope) We would need to agree about catering. They can arrange caterers, but I think, to keep costs down, We could, between us find some willing hands to share the meal prep so that we can have a great breakfast, and an evening meal for around about #20 per person per day. This does not incude alcohol, we would bring our own. SAy #10 per head for Thursday and Monday, #20 for Friday Sat and Sunday. The run of the FEST would go something like this Thursday Arrive and have a gathering and meal for those arriving that night, song circle and general FEST type catching up and enjoying Friday Breakfast say between 9.00 and 10.30, clear up Free time to go and take in the Rollright Stones, general rambling in the countryside or what ever you fancy doing There are some great places around there. 7pm supper 9.00pm performances and whatever usually happens Saturday Breakfast Free time, I would suggest a visit to Bourton on the Water or whatever you fancy doing 7 pm meal and evening performances, song circle etc, Sunday: Breakfast, clear up and lazy morning Free time, chilling or site seeing 5 pm barbeque and activities (I would like a re-run of the song tag competition) Maybe a story circle of our favourite Joni related stories, personal experiences, Evening performances Monday morning breakfast and clear up and leave by 12.00 noon. Just to make this clear I am proposing that the catering is done on a not for profit basis and that any money left overr be donated to several charities. I am either thinking of an AIDS charity like the Terrence Higgins Trust and A leukaemia support charity such as the Chronic Lymphocytic Leukaemia Support Association. I do not envisage much being over but I think its good to moot these points now. All accounts will be open to inspection and available to all who attend the FEST. I will suggest that a Pay Pal account is set up for this venture so that there is a clear audit trail for monies in and out. SO what say you. I need to put down a deposit very very soon so I need you to commit now but no money would be needed until about May 2008. Cheers Lucy missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Lucy, > > Let's have a European Jonifest! A few months ago, Laurent suggested > organizing one every other year. The place you are suggesting looks > amazing... Tell us more! > > Bene in Copenhagen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:47:07 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: suicide, njc Those who remember me from the time period 2001-2003 know that I have had my struggles in this area. (Linda Worster - love you.) Had my first encounter with suicide when I was 12. Once it is in your bag of tricks it is always there, no matter how buried, like an alcoholic who cannot drink again, a drugger who can never use, a cigarette smoker who longs for just one but knows that you'll be hooked right away again. Marianne, my heart goes out to you and to Barbara's family. The book that I deeply recommend to anyone who has any interest in the subject for any reason, including Marianne, understanding, is The Savage God by A. Alvarez. It begins with Sylvia Plath and since A Alvarez is primary a poet rather than a psychologist, it is able to examine the subject in ways that you don;t expect, from literary angles and insights, as well from the personal and psyhological and religious areas, and I strongly recommend it. It is worth it for the artistic insights alone. It is one of those books, like the Bible, F Scott Fitzgerald, and the Augsburg Confession that I always keep on my bed stand. I think that if Joni hasn't read the book she would love it - if there is a poet in you at all or a need to understand this subject, A Alvarez, The Savage God. Vince On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > My friend Barbara Preston killed herself on February 26th > she lived in Rochester and moved to Seatle. > > very sad > > she was depressed for many years. . . and I never would have known it. > > (She used a gun.) > > > I thought I would mention this with the talk of suicide. > > it is very common, as many of you know > > Marianne > > > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > _________________________________________________________________ > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. > > http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653 > A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:48:45 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Anyone dig Dig, Lazarus, dig! ? Oh that is as good a review as I'll need :-D Just listening to the pompous Rufus Wainwright who is giving a concert in Copenhagen next week for which they only charge the equivalent of 200 US Dollars, but then it is a DINNER show (yuck?!), and they only sell tickets pairwise (!!) Leonard Cohen will be visiting here as well, and for him the cheapest tickets are only the equiv. of 150 Dollars. I can fly to London and back AND attend Nick Cave for that price and not have to eat probably crap food all the while. Jeeehz. Bene On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- Richard Flynn wrote: > > > It's not out in the US yet, but I've got it ordered. > > Like the title cut. > > > I got a freebie of the title song on a sampler CD from > paste magazine. me dig too. > > Catherine > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:22:24 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?SV:_SV:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= Alright then Bob, that explains it. Of course I wouldnt doubt something that the people on this list all agree upon. Just unlucky I wasnt here yet when this was discussed. Or maybe lucky  I do feel ambiguous about information on what song refers to which lover  I dont really want to know. Once I do know I hear that song in a different- limited way, it loses the universal quality it had before. Thats how I feel anyway. But thanks again for replying and clarifying things for me! Marion _____ Fren: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Skickat: den 2 april 2008 00:32 Till: Marion Leffler; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Kopia: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: SV: Joni4s suicide attempt What I meant was that this (Joni's relationship with Sam and the references in Coyote and DJRD which were composed simultaneously) had been thoroughly discussed prior to your arrival, so of course you would have no recollection of it. Believe me, all the dots connect. You can bank on it. Bob NP: Eva Cassidy, "Oh, Had I A Golden Thread" _____ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= I don't want get too into this topic, but I will point out that in her early-80s interview with Bill Flanagan of Musician magazine, Joni discussed her severe depression in the early 70s, and particularly placed it during the recording of Blue; this means the beginning of the depression predates the relationship with Jackson Browne. Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:31:23 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_SV=3A_SV=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= I can appreciate that and I think most people would agree with you. While I don't really aggressively seek out that kind of stuff I do find it interesting, particularly because Joni build such SPECIFIC references into her songs. And it doesn't really change the way I hear or feel about her songs. Bob NP: Neil Young, "Living With War" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:26:04 -0400 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2008 #15 The physical violence story related by this author about Jackson Browne on Joni helps to explain her vitriol in writing "Not to Blame," which Browne has publicly vilified her for! Frank Tortorici Director, Communications The Conference Board (212) 339-0231 f.tortorici@conference-board.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:49:12 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Jackson Browne From: "Michel BYRNE" >I just feel it's important to remember that the linking of 'Not To Blame' >to > JB was made by Browne himself and the media, never by Joni. > Finding out that the song might have been taking a fairly vicious swipe at > him > pretty much spoiled it for me, I have to admit, but if the 'driving > someone to > suicide' reference in the song was something Joni herself actually > experienced > with Browne, the jigsaw puzzle makes a bit more sense. I dont think it's > simply a matter of taking revenge on an ex. That reference would presumably refer to the mother of Jackson's child (and the girl he hooked up with after Joni), who took an overdose of pills to end her life. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:08:41 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: "Girls Like Us"--the whole book! Hi everyone, I just rejoined the list, but have always been a bit of a lurker. Been meaning to jump in, and now seems like a good time. To add to the chat about the book "Girls Like Us," particularly this latest item about Joni's suicide attempt, I just want to say that I'm fortunate to have read the entire book (sorry, can't say how), and I found it to be quite meticulously researched, with most sources on the record, and very few anonymous ones. The item from Fox News is just an extremely condensed snippet of what's in the book. This is also true of the Vanity Fair excerpt. Also, the book is true to it's subtitle--"Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon--and the Journey of a Generation"--in that it isn't just a "gossipy" discussion of these women's romantic entanglements, but it addresses their music AND their personal lives in the overall context of the times. So I just hope everyone will judge the book in total, and I'm looking forward to other people's thoughts. Thanks for listening! - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:08:41 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: "Girls Like Us"--the whole book! Hi everyone, I just rejoined the list, but have always been a bit of a lurker. Been meaning to jump in, and now seems like a good time. To add to the chat about the book "Girls Like Us," particularly this latest item about Joni's suicide attempt, I just want to say that I'm fortunate to have read the entire book (sorry, can't say how), and I found it to be quite meticulously researched, with most sources on the record, and very few anonymous ones. The item from Fox News is just an extremely condensed snippet of what's in the book. This is also true of the Vanity Fair excerpt. Also, the book is true to it's subtitle--"Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon--and the Journey of a Generation"--in that it isn't just a "gossipy" discussion of these women's romantic entanglements, but it addresses their music AND their personal lives in the overall context of the times. So I just hope everyone will judge the book in total, and I'm looking forward to other people's thoughts. Thanks for listening! - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:29:41 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Judy Collins concert NJC > From: "Steve Petrica" > Subject: Judy Collins and Joni > > I saw Judy Collins in concert last night. Ooh, I'm jealous. I just missed seeing her last year. I had only been really getting into her music the past few years or so, and I just got the idea to check out and see if she was still touring at all. So, I went to her website and she had just played a gig at the North Shore Music Hall in Beverly, MA the week before. Doh! > She opened with "Chelsea Morning", Of course, its her version of that song that the Clintons named their daughter after. > She's visibly aging -- Well, she will be 70 next year, Goddess willing. Let's cut the woman some slack, shall we? ;) > but her voice is still golden. A good friend of mine saw her somewhat recently and concurs with that. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:29:18 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Joni Covers #99 - the last of the two-digit numbers! Wow! Thanks, Bob. I guess this is a regular thing, eh? Are any of the past volumes archived anywhere? Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:30:48 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Joni announces 10 city U.S. tour with Herbie! > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Joni announces 10 city U.S. tour with Herbie! > > April Fools! Only kidding! > -M, hahaha Ooh! You got me! Grrr... Cheers, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 23:32:52 +0000 From: Michael Subject: NjC Elvis Costello CTV music show this fall I heard about this upcoming production on the radio today. I wouldn't at all be surprised if we get a Joni interview out of this somewhere down the line. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080402/costello_john_08 0402/20080402?hub=Entertainment Elvis Costello, Elton John collaborate in music show Updated Wed. Apr. 2 2008 9:25 AM ET The Canadian Press TORONTO -- Renowned British musicians Elvis Costello and Elton John are collaborating for a new show airing on CTV that was conceived and developed in Canada. "Spectacle: Elvis Costello With ...'' will be hosted by its namesake and is executive-produced by Elton John's company, Rocket Pictures. The series aims to raise money and awareness about AIDS in Africa. The 13-part series, a Canada-U.K. co-production, will feature performances and in-depth discussions between Costello and some of the world's most influential artists and personalities. "I'm not interested in extracting some dark secret,'' Costello said in a news release Wednesday. "I'd rather hear about a bright secret, a deep love or a curiosity that might be otherwise obscured by fame. This is a wonderful opportunity to talk in complete thoughts about music, movies, art or even vaudeville, then frame it with unique and illustrative performances.'' Elton John described Costello as "the foremost expert on popular music.'' "I thought it would be sensational to use his knowledge and intelligence to explore the artistry of musicians and other fascinating people involved in making great music, as well as true music aficionados.'' The series, which will likely debut in the fall on CTV, will also be broadcast on the Sundance Channel in the U.S. and Channel 4 in the U.K. The series is co-produced by Toronto's Reinvention Entertainment, SpyBox Pictures and Prospero Pictures, along with the London-based Rocket Pictures.Michael in Quebec NP: Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings - Be Easy _________________________________________________________________ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:32:05 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: another canyon lady... now brownies NJC > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: another canyon lady... > > Uh, Annie? Can I have your brownie recipe? Please? > Luv, > Catie of the Canyon > Since Annie's unavailable for questions, I'll share with you my favorite brownie recipe: 2 oz (2 squares) unsweetened chocolate 1/2 cup (1 stick) unsalted butter 1 cup sugar 2 large eggs, lightly beaten 1/2 tsp vanilla 1/4 cup all-purpose flour 1/4 tsp salt 1 cup coarsely chopped walnuts Preheat oven to 325 F. Butter and flour a 8x8 baking dish. Melt the chocolate and butter in a saucepan over low heat. Remove from heat and stir in sugar. Stir in eggs and vanilla until smooth. Add flour, salt, nuts and stir until smooth. Pour into prepared pan. Bake until a toothpick comes out clean, about 40 minutes. This makes a very fudgey brownie, perfect for hot brownie sundaes. If fudge brownies are not what you're into, I've got several other recipes I've had good luck with. Bon apetite, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:32:29 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: another canyon lady... almost certainly NJC > From: Em > Subject: Re: another canyon lady... almost certainly NJC > > I would ask: "so, Trina, Annie, Estrella! was there *any* lesbianism > loose in the canyon AT ALL back then??? or did that just not exist???" > ....and I'd give them a large grin and be appreciative of whatever > answer might come out! > :P > Em > ps: fun topic..... Uh, Em? This is JMDL. I think this may be more along the lines of what you're looking for: http://www.howardstern.com/ Cheers, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:31:52 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: re: Joni for Guitar Hero > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Joni for Guitar Hero > > Well, earlier this week my brother bought the oh-so-talked about > Guitar Hero. ... if a Joni song was included on this game, what one do > you think would work best? Raised On Robbery is probably her rockingest song. It would probably fit in best with the game, no? Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:47:14 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Re: Joni for Guitar Hero I would have to say the Nazareth version of "This Flight Tonight". Coleen On 2-Apr-08, at 7:31 PM, David Eoll wrote: > > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > > Subject: Joni for Guitar Hero > > > > Well, earlier this week my brother bought the oh-so-talked about > > Guitar Hero. ... if a Joni song was included on this game, what > one do > > you think would work best? > > Raised On Robbery is probably her rockingest song. It would > probably fit in best with the game, no? > > Peace, > David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:04:53 -0500 From: "T Peckham" Subject: "Girls Like Us"--the whole book! Tried sending this earlier today, but it appeared there was a problem w/my gmail acct. Trying again. From: T Peckham Date: Apr 2, 2008 4:08 PM Hi everyone, I just rejoined the list, but have always been a bit of a lurker. Been meaning to jump in, and now seems like a good time. To add to the chat about the book "Girls Like Us," particularly this latest item about Joni's suicide attempt, I just want to say that I'm fortunate to have read the entire book (sorry, can't say how), and I found it to be quite meticulously researched, with most sources on the record, and very few anonymous ones. The item from Fox News is just an extremely condensed snippet of what's in the book. This is also true of the Vanity Fair excerpt. Also, the book is true to it's subtitle--"Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon--and the Journey of a Generation"--in that it isn't just a "gossipy" discussion of these women's romantic entanglements, but it addresses their music AND their personal lives in the overall context of the times. So I just hope everyone will judge the book in total, and I'm looking forward to other people's thoughts. Thanks for listening! - -- Note to any and all govt. agencies who might be looking in: You can kiss my sweet ass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:05:31 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: njc Jody Grind On Mar 10, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Kelly recorded "Blue Motel Room" for an Atlanta Joni Mitchell > tribute that never saw the light of day. Do some checking around and > see if anone has a bootleg of it, willya? :o) Bob, it took awhile but I was finally able to get in touch with Kelly herself and just sent her an email, plugging the covers project and seeing if she has that recording lying around somewhere. If anyone would know about it, it would be her. I'll keep my fingers crossed and let you know when I hear back. Victor NP: Pirates vs. Braves 3-2, 7th inning ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:09:51 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Suicide, Electricity, Yahoo/Nissan Video/Tour Rumors Just two cents - 1) I guess I do find it a little hard to swallow that JM would bloody herself up over Jackson, but. What I find even stranger is that Weller has (supposedly) gotten people to talk to her about all this stuff with ease.like getting Carly to remark on the jealousy of James' subsequent women (actually, Kim, the current one, is an aquaintence of mine - and I find it hard to believe she'd behave so childishly). Carole King won't say ANYTHING to anyone about her poor marriage track record. She dodged each and every personal question Chris Douridas tried to throw at her when she went on the radio recently (around the Troubadour shows). And a cover story for Rolling Stone was bagged in the late 70's after Evers died because she didn't want to talk about it back then any more than she does now. I find it difficult to believe that Weller got everyone to open up. on the other hand, if she packaged it like "I wanna tell the story truthfully - the way it really happened" then maybe it had appeal for a trio of women who have had all sorts of misinformation and crazed speculation published about their personal lives. I'll have to poke through my book about Jackson and see if it says anything about that - although I'm sure I'd remember if it had. To me - "Car On a Hill" could be a metaphor for being dissed by someone who makes you crazy with jealousy because they have magnetism and charm. but I don't see the suicide attmept in the song. Could be it's not (on which we all seem to agree) and Weller is stretching to link it with the suicide attempt since the song could be about Jackson. But that's about as far as I can go with it. 2) Commenting on whoever mentioned "Electricity" - I always took the line to mean that she'd learned how to remove herself from the deterioration of the hippie dream while holed up in her British Columbian retreat (where much of FTR was apparently written) - "I'm learning, It's peaceful - with a good dog and some trees, out of touch with the breakdown of this century".. I'm gonna make a lot of money - then I'm gonna quit this crazy scene. Funny how the best laid plans. 3)Don't anyone hold me to this - there is NOTHING CONFIRMED. However, in an email exchange I had earlier today with the folks who are handling publicity for Herbie's River project it was brought to my attention that there is, at least, something 'on the table' about some future concert appearances with Herbie and Joni together - maybe over the summer. I repeat - NOTHING IS CONFIRMED. But at least it's being discussed. I sent them a note after watching the Nissan video - as a critic, I cover a lot of the stuff that office sends out and we have an ongoing dialogue about Joni since they also did the publicity work for the Tribute album earlier last year (with Bjork et al). I just mentioned how natural the two seemed together, how intently Herbie seems to listen to Joni while he's playing. and how flawlessly River came off - especially since (correct me if I'm wrong) she hasn't sung it publically since the FTR tour in '72. I liked the live version of Hana better than the studio - the live acoustic drums make a huge difference. Sonya is a novice vocalist swimming in uber-professional waters. And Herbie is so jazzed up, it's as if he sees her flubs as some sort of purposeful improvisation..perhapd one area where his ear has failed him. I've interviewed Sonya and seen her perform her own material several times. while I do believe she's talented, she's in waaaaay over her head here. Cheers, Chris PS. Bob - can you send me the link for #99 - I seem to have missed it some how - can't find it now. Thanks! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #17 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------