From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 2 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 016 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's suicide attempt ["Vince Lavieri" ] Joni announces 10 city U.S. tour with Herbie! [Monika Bogdanowicz ] njc, Carole King on Tavis Smiley last night [Patti Parlette ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Happy Belated Easter To Bo [Jeannie ] Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_SV=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= [Bob Muller ] slide show on Yahoo [Deb Messling ] Re: slide show on Yahoo [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? ["Lindsay Moon" ] RE: Alison Moorer. Acoustic Cafe. Both Sides Now. NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? ["Jerry Notaro" ] Joni and Herbie up and running now! [] hold out for summer NJC [Mags ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni's suicide attempt [mia _ ] Re: Joni´s suicide attempt [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Fwd: western stars - was: RE: earth hour in winnipeg NJC - [Bruce Eggles] Herbie & Joni's show on Yahoo ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:41:43 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt There is nothing about Joni that rings untrue in this. If it is fact, in a book, not just trying to pander, then it may be inspiration to some that once can survive every the most desparate of times. We have all felt the tragic in Joni's work, that is one reason her music touches us so deeply in our own wounded places. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni announces 10 city U.S. tour with Herbie! April Fools! Only kidding! -M, hahaha - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:26:05 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Nice couplet, njc Today I'm hearing >Jane, desired by the people at her school & work. >Jane, is tired 'cause every man becomes a love-sick jerk. which is disappointing because I like my Mondegreen better. My way, she's so supernaturually beautiful that she transforms the people around her, like Kathryn Heigl. I like the rhythm of it though. Jim L. >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:55:49 -0400 >>Jane, desired by the people at her school & work. >>Jane, beside her, every man becomes a love-sick jerk. >"Jane", Barenaked Ladies ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:40:41 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Carole King on Tavis Smiley last night Cher(e)s Joniami(e)s: Carole King was on Tavis Smiley last night. I'm so sorry I did not jump out of bed to tell you, but it was very late and I wasn't even sure if I was awake or dreaming at first. Then I didn't know if it was a repeat or not (like the Larry King Beatles' show I told you about Sunday, which *was* a repeat) and I didn't want love to make a fool of me again. In any case of you, voila: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200803/20080328_king.html You will like her greenness, Ms. Treegreen, and Bruce de Bonneville, did you know that she lives in Idaho? Maybe she is your neighbor! (Speaking of you, BB, reminds me that I have to go look for that k.d. lang cover of the Chris Isaaks (sp?) song. I don't know it but I've a mighty mighty thirst to hear it now, esp. after having just heard her magic a few weeks ago. Can she get to the heart and soul of the matter or WHAT? "That girl could sing!") I really love Tavis Smiley now. In my opinion, he gave the best Joni interview (conversation, really) when she was out scrambling down in the studios a few months ago. He really listens to people, he really engages. If it weren't for Joni, I probably would not even know about him. Thanks for yet another gift, Joni! xo, pp P.S. In that Fox article, did you notice the writer talked about the "rise and fall" of Joni, Carole, and Carly. Huh? What fall????? Ain't nobody falling 'round here, pardner! _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:03:17 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: The Weller Book, FOX news article There are sometimes personal situations that once they appear in public warrant a response. I will hope that Joni will come forth to comment on the report of what is being called a "suicide attempt." Violent, self-destructive behavior does not necessarily go hand in hand with artistry or celebrity. Spinning an alleged personal lapse in coping mechanisms to draw a superficial generational link is tenuous journalism, at best. Suicide, or it's attempt is not something to trivialize nor make conclusive, based on speculation. CC "A woman I knew just drowned herself, the well was deep and muddy. She was just shaking off futility or punishing somebody. My friends were calling up all day yesterday, all emotions and abstractions. It seems we all live so close to that line and so far from satisfaction." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:05:28 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= If any song on Court and Spark refers to such a tragedy it must be Trouble Child, imo. I cannot for the life of me hear anything suicidal in Car on the hill. I can imagine Joni attempting suicide at some time in her life even though she appears to be a down-to-earth person. So that part I dont find unbelievable  maybe questionable. I was looking forward to this book but now I feel a little put off by all the information on what song was written for which lover. First of all, I dont want to know. Secondly, the remarks on Coyote certainly seem very much like speculation to me. He was the prisoner of the white fine lines? Not Joni? Isnt that twisting interpretation a little too hard? Marion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:08:18 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Nissan Live Sets I thought this was going to debut on Yahoo today?!? The performance, including video streams of 10 individual songs and an audience Q&A, will be available beginning April 1 at _http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706_ (http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:24:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= That one we've hashed out pretty good here - lots of clues in Coyote and also in DJRD. Not a lot of room for speculation on that one, actually. Bob NP: The Shins, "Spilt Needles" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Marion _____ Fren: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Skickat: den 1 april 2008 20:24 Till: Marion Leffler Kopia: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Joni4s suicide attempt That one we've hashed out pretty good here - lots of clues in Coyote and also in DJRD. Not a lot of room for speculation on that one, actually. Bob NP: The Shins, "Spilt Needles" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:01:04 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi tribute video on Youtube C'est formidable, Michael from (Laurentide) Mountains!One hundred and sixty-eight seconds of wonder and delight.Tres bien! Applause, applause! You get a round resounding for you, way down here.I just asked a French professor if they still say: "Ca boom" or "C'est chouette" and sheshook her head and says they've changed. Those phrases are a little passe. What dothey say now in France? "C'est cool!"Alors, c'est cool. That photo of Joni at 1:50-1:52 or so? I have that poster from aconcert in the 70s. It has yellowed tape marks on it from hanging on my dormitorywall. Someday I'll get it framed. Et quelle coincidence. I was just thinking of you yesterday as I opened my newred umbrella. Umbrellas bright on a grey background, comme tu sais!Bisous,La Parlette qui parle trop aujourd'huiNPIMH:Michael from mountainsGo where you will go toKnow that I will know youSomeday I may know you very well****Well, here's one more addition to the countless (groan) BYT videos available on Youtube.My first effort, made with love, Enjoy !http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=dVQ8WRzVR14Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back upuse SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh _skydrive_packup_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:30:21 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC Just Roll Tape with Stephen Stills While I love these songs, and find the CD interesting in a bootleg kind of way, it is, after all, a bunch of demos, and not something that I would listen to much after the first time (in fact, I got it when it came out, and haven't gone back for seconds). I would say for Stills completists. Get the first Manassas album instead. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:44:35 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= Car On A Hill seems like one of the lighter moments on C&S....Down To You might be more like it...anyway, I found this on a Jackson Browne site In early 1972, Jackson Browne went on a 4-month tour with Joni Mitchell, covering much of the U.S. and Europe. Joni Mitchell and Jackson Browne also started a romance that lasted throughout much of the year. In recent years much has been made about an ongoing "feud" between the two. Joni Mitchell wrote a song called "Not To Blame" (from her 1994 album Turbulent Indigo) that not only accused Jackson of beating up then girlfriend Darryl Hannah but also implied that he drove his first wife to suicide. In later newspaper interviews, Jackson called Joni "disturbed" [later] ..... the fall of 1972 that David Lindley started to join Jackson on stage. It was also around this time that Jackson broke off his relationship with Joni Mitchell and started seeing Phyllis Major. (end) Was that song Joni's revenge? She has denied it was about him, but it fits like a glove. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:38:47 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: First sound recording njc A new audio recording believed to be the earliest ever made has surfaced recently.For more than a century, since he captured the spoken words "Mary had a little lamb" on a sheet of tinfoil, Thomas Edison has been considered the father of recorded sound. But researchers say they have unearthed a recording of the human voice, made by a little-known Frenchman, that predates Edison's invention of the phonograph by nearly two decades."This is a historic find, the earliest known recording of sound," said Samuel Brylawski, the former head of the recorded-sound division of the Library of Congress, who is not affiliated with the research group but who was familiar with its findings.The 10-second recording of a singer crooning the folk song "Au Clair de la Lune" was discovered earlier this month in an archive in Paris by a group of American audio historians. It was made, the researchers say, on April 9, 1860, on a phonautograph, a machine designed to record sounds visually, not to play them back. But the phonautograph recording, or phonautogram, was made playable - - converted from squiggles on paper to sound - by scientists at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in Berkeley, Calif. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:16:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Happy Belated Easter To Bo Blown away was what I was, high up to a sycamore, on that Easter Sunday, when I read such exquisite explosions of emotion through your writings about yourself, life, and Joni, Bo! Hey, we never give up, right Bo? It seems to me, something like this, you know, that Joni, you, me and others like us, can meet often, at a spur of a moment, mystically, at some hidden corner Chinese Cafe or some other out of the way, borderline Bar-n-Grille where few know the secret code to enter the door to our circle of unchained melodies that can never, ever be unlocked, broken or understood. Bo, I know exactly what you feel about categorizing or defining Joni into one sort of group or the other. It's most discomforting for me and I've avoided that thought since day #1 of my musical communion with Joan, going way back to those days when the child in me came out to wonder and grow up next to her by my side. Most Lovingly, me PS: Been off to myself for a few days, away from all the news that spins non-stop over and over, seeming to go nowhere, with Rickie Lee Jones, Ry Cooder, and Joni Mitchell, high atop that reserved Sycamore Tree reserved for you and me and for those who know what falling up is all about. NP: Keep Me In Your Heart For Awhile ~Warren Zevon~ Peep Richman wrote: I'm probably not making very much sense...I feel as though I'm having difficulty expressing what I feel...what I think...I do want to share with you that the article about Joni and Carly and Carol and others disturbed me. I don't want an article about Joni to include any other public figure. There is not a human being in the world that can ring true in an article that is sacred in loyalty to Joni. There simply are no comparisons...not for me at least. And I really love Carol King and Carly Simon and so many artists....but not in the same sanctuary with Joni. Joni has the ability to reach deeply within our souls...she invites us and almost provides a challenge to us to explore and bring to conclusion something that has happened in our lives. With love and hugs from Bo ~nj~ - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:08:58 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? Just wondering if anyone knows anything about when this show will appear and where to find it? I've gone on Yahoo and searched for their names but find nothing, other than the specific reference to it on April 1 on Herbie's website. Geez, I hope it's not some cruel April Fool's day joke! Thanks, Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:21:21 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? It doesn't appear to be up there as of yet Lindsay :~( Here is the link though... _http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706_ (http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706) ~rosie **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_SV=3A_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= What I meant was that this (Joni's relationship with Sam and the references in Coyote and DJRD which were composed simultaneously) had been thoroughly discussed prior to your arrival, so of course you would have no recollection of it. Believe me, all the dots connect. You can bank on it. Bob NP: Eva Cassidy, "Oh, Had I A Golden Thread" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:32:53 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= Yeah, the "Car on a Hill" reference is weird, and I'm guessing that someone just plain got the wrong song. I've been in the situation of "waiting for my sugar to show, and I've been very, very annoyed with people who are late, or who have stood me up, but it didn't make me try to kill myself, for pete's sake. At 01:05 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote: >If any song on Court and Spark refers to such a tragedy it must be Trouble >Child, imo. I cannot for the life of me hear anything suicidal in Car on the >hill. I can imagine Joni attempting suicide at some time in her life even >though she appears to be a down-to-earth person. So that part I dont find >unbelievable maybe questionable. I was looking forward to this book but >now I feel a little put off by all the information on what song was written >for which lover. First of all, I dont want to know. Secondly, the remarks >on Coyote certainly seem very much like speculation to me. Hewas the >prisoner of the white fine lines? Not Joni? Isnt that twisting >interpretation a little too hard? > >Marion - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:55:10 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? I just watched "River": the sound recording leaves a lot to be desired. Way too much bass (with bass all the way down in my sound card, plus the fact that I have very nice Bose computer speakers). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Lindsay Moon Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:09 PM To: joni list Subject: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? Just wondering if anyone knows anything about when this show will appear and where to find it? I've gone on Yahoo and searched for their names but find nothing, other than the specific reference to it on April 1 on Herbie's website. Geez, I hope it's not some cruel April Fool's day joke! Thanks, Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:51:50 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_SV:_Joni=B4s_suicide_attempt?= Wow. I've been away all day and thought this subject heading was a bad April Fool's joke. As for Coyote, I believe I told you earlier that the poet Anne Waldman (who was on the Rolling Thunder tour) told me at last year's Dylan conference in Minnesota that there was no doubt about it: "Coyote" is about Sam Shepard. She also told me how much she admired Joni as an artist. I noticed that the Weller book has been shipped and is to arrive here day after tomorrow from Amazon. Should be a good read. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:32 PM To: Marion Leffler; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: Joni4s suicide attempt What I meant was that this (Joni's relationship with Sam and the references in Coyote and DJRD which were composed simultaneously) had been thoroughly discussed prior to your arrival, so of course you would have no recollection of it. Believe me, all the dots connect. You can bank on it. Bob NP: Eva Cassidy, "Oh, Had I A Golden Thread" ____________________________________________________________________________ _ _______ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:12:12 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Herbie & Joni on Yahoo - WOW! What a wonderful treat! - Joni's performances are transcendant. She looks beautiful and sounds even better. Herbie and band are incredible. Anybody know how to save this to a DVD minus the Nissan ads? The only sour note (literally) for me was Sonya Kitchell. Dreadful version of All I Want and flat harmonizing on Hana. Sorry. I just don't get her. Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:35:15 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: slide show on Yahoo Haven't listened to the music yet, but looked at the slide show. Joni's painting her dog. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:10:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: slide show on Yahoo Good catch Deb....so I guess Coco was allowed on the set too! lol ~rosie **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:34:35 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? Okay, I did listen to Hanna. I'm not a big fan of Shine as of yet, but am I incorrect that is it Sonya Kitchell on "harmony"? I use that term in quotes because it was completely disturbing the notes she was singing for the chorus "Hanna." Egad, I thought my ears would bleed! Like the worst of American Idol auditions! I'll listen to another one after a while ... sort of mete it out for myself! Lindsay _____ From: RoseMJoy@aol.com [mailto:RoseMJoy@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:21 PM To: moonlj@san.rr.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? It doesn't appear to be up there as of yet Lindsay :~( Here is the link though... http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 ~rosie _____ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:23:39 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Alison Moorer. Acoustic Cafe. Both Sides Now. NJC I loved Shelby's tribute to Dusty, but the Alison Moorer record leaves me cold. And I think she's had a bad influence on Steve, because his new record is pretty boring. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:53 AM To: Joni Subject: Alison Moorer. Acoustic Cafe. Both Sides Now. Show #689 - Week of 3/24/08 - 3/30/08 Live in the studio Alison Moorer talks about her new album of covers and how someone told her to go out and buy "these three Joni Mitchell albums"-doesn't say which three-and how she didn't get it for years, and why she chose to cover BSN, followed by a somewhat plaintive in-studio rendition of BSN, sounding at times like her sister Shelby Lynne and nothing like her husband, Steve Earle. You can hear it here. If you just want to get to the Joni part it starts at 7:13. http://www.mlive.com/cafe/index.ssf/2008/03/allison_moorer.html Later she briefly mentions Earle showing her how to play BSN in open G "the way Joni played it". RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:16:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Herbie & Joni on Yahoo - WOW! Joni looks and sounds glorious. What an amazing treat for us all. I smell a fabulous DVD release in the offing. Jerry Coleen wrote: > What a wonderful treat! - Joni's performances are transcendant. She > looks beautiful and sounds even better. Herbie and band are > incredible. Anybody know how to save this to a DVD minus the Nissan ads? > > The only sour note (literally) for me was Sonya Kitchell. Dreadful > version of All I Want and flat harmonizing on Hana. Sorry. I just > don't get her. > > Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:22:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: Herbie & Joni video on Yahoo?? As a Media Librarian it REALLY bothers me that they couldn't even spell Hana correctly on the Yahoo site. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:28:52 -0700 From: Subject: Joni and Herbie up and running now! I'm on digest but just wanted to remind that today's the day to view the Herbie/Joni concert! Here is a straight link to Joni singing the incredible Herbie-ized River in her Judgement of the Moon and Stars dress and much more. And SURPRISE - there is a close-up shot of our Lesli and Pete at around 3:07! Just started watching and it is sweet! http://new.music.yahoo.com/livesets/Herbie-Hancock--36678026&vid=58781214 Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: hold out for summer NJC a bit of a winding road but look what i found....so much talent within these four walls. paul, this is breath taking, beautiful! what's the back story on hold out for summer? mags. - --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:06:15 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gross" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt > --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344210,00.html >> >> Another excerpt from the upcoming Sheila Weller book. >> Supposedly "Car On A Hill" is based on her relationship with >> Jackson >> Browne which almost caused her to take her life in 1972. >> >> Bob > > < Tuesday, April 01, 2008 > By Roger Friedman > Mitchell was so despondent that Weller says she told friends of > a "suicide attempt." > > Weller writes: "One confidante says '[Joni] took pills. She cut > herself > up and threw herself against a wall and got completely bloodied  > glass > broke. She vomited up the pills.'" > > The incident, Weller says, is recalled in Mitchell's song, "Car on a > Hill," the stark number from Joni's watershed album, "Court and > Spark." This sounds like gossip and hearsay to me. No definite source is cited and the reference to 'Car on a Hill' is just plain silly. And quite frankly, after eveything else she had been through up to that point of her life, I just can't see Joni trying to off herself over Jackson Browne. However, the incident of Jackson striking her might have some credence to it. I've always wondered about the line 'cheaters, woman-beaters and Huck Finn shucksters hoppin' parking meters' from 'Lucky Girl'. It also fits the whole 'Not to Blame' speculation. But suicide? You think I should buy you a car? Why? Because Elvis did? Oh, come on. Although I have never met Joni, my gut feeling about her is that underneath the sensitivity and vulnerability is a core of steel. She has always had that inner strength. I just don't buy this and my hopes for the quality of this book have become somewhat dimmed. Mark in Seattle who doesn't really care who 'Coyote' is about but who has been listening to 'Hejira' quite a bit in his car lately and gaining a whole new appreciation for it that he may write about one of these days. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:12:50 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Lavieri" To: "Monika Bogdanowicz" Cc: "Joni people!" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt > There is nothing about Joni that rings untrue in this. > > If it is fact, in a book, not just trying to pander, then it may be > inspiration to some that once can survive every the most desparate > of times. > > We have all felt the tragic in Joni's work, that is one reason her > music > touches us so deeply in our own wounded places. > > Vince While I don't disagree with the message of helping others you convey in your post, Vince, we have also all felt Joni's strength in her work, not just the tragic. I'm sorry, I don't buy the story and unless a credible source for it comes forward or we get it straight from Joni herself, I don't see myself buying it. It just rings a tad too sensational to me. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:23:28 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: Re: Joni's suicide attempt Oh, this is so sad! I didn't think Joni was going out with Browne long enough to develop a heavy relationship. He must have been really abusive and probably played with her head, too. Isn't the song "Not to Blame" also about Browne? And now I'm wondering about the song "Electricity" with the line "breakdown of this century." This doesn't make sense: <> I guess I'm not understanding why she had to move out of Geffen's place. Is it because of the Browne crowd hanging out there? <<... And "People's Parties," the song that precedes it, is about Mitchell's brief adventure with Beatty in his life of "Shampoo"-era socializing up on Mulholland Drive with Jack Nicholson and pals.>> That would confirm that Jack Nicholson is indeed "Jack behind his joker" then! :) Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ getintouch_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni´s suicide attempt Hmm, well I also don't see any connection between that song and a suicide attempt. The speaker (or Joni or whatever) does sound really desperate though(not desperate as in pathetic but desperate as in feeling extreme anguish) because her lover has not shown up. However, would something like that alone cause someone to attempt suicide? No. No one incident or one person is enough cause for someone to attempt or commit suicide. Someone who is suicidal is generally depressed and no one situation necessarily causes it so. Let's just say Joni was depressed at that time, I'm sure the breakup would add to it but it wouldn't trigger a depression all by itself. It just doesn't work that way. Someone who is clinically depressed can indeed have a *super* life to an outsider's eye. It is all in the thinking of someone who is depressed--feelings of hopelessness, worthlessness, etc etc that don't necessarily have anything to do with the outside world (though certainly negative event after negative event can take its toll). We do know Joni has admitted suffering from depression though. She also does seem to be a very, very sensitive person. She seemed to have loved and lost hard for one. She's never mentioned a suicide attempt before however. In fact, in Mojo (which was fairly recent) she disses Sylvia Plath and says that she doesn't find suicide "chic." Of course this is years later but who really knows? I think it'd be interesting if Joni were to respond to this suicide attempt to the public so we could all be at ease then. I know if I was interviewing her, I'd ask a couple of things from the book. I also wonder what Jackson Browne said when Joni said he "dissed" her on stage. And as for men who hit women, don't even get me started. Men who hit women (and don't realize the ills of their ways and get help for it) are scum. There is no reason to strike a woman. No. Not. Ever. -M - --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:44:48 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Fwd: western stars - was: RE: earth hour in winnipeg NJC - > Dear Patrick, > > My error, I believed what I read on the internet, and was too lazy > to get up and look at my copy. The thought went through my mind > when I wrote it, too, but I guessed wrongly. I stand humbly corrected. > > Her vocal on that cut makes my hair stand on end every time I hear > it. That album stands as my favorite of hers, even though I like > all that I have heard. "Shadowland" is one of those albums that can > make one think that, "Hey, all you have to do is get some great > backing musicians, a great singer and a great producer and rent a > barn and you can make a masterpiece!" Somehow it doesn't always > work out that way. > > I haven't bought anything of hers since 1996's "all you can eat". > But I would if if found it in the used bin at my favorite record > store. > > Cio, > > B.B. > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:34 PM, patrick leader wrote: > >> hey bonneville- >> >> i bow to none in my appreciation of k.d.'s fantastic vocal on >> 'western >> stars', but she didn't write it. stockton california's finest >> son, chris >> isaak, the same guy who wrote 'wicked game', did. it's on his >> very first >> album, silvertone (1984) and k.d. released her version in '88, on >> shadowland. >> >> and no doubt, k.d. made it her own. i've loved a lot of music >> that k.d. has >> done since this shadowland (i just listened to '49th parallel' >> yesterday) >> but somehow this was the one that got under my skin and stayed there. >> >> thanks, >> >> patrick >> >> np ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:55:47 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Herbie & Joni's show on Yahoo Herbie's show with Joni's is finally up on Yahoo at: http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 I haven't had a chance to view it yet, I'm looking forward to savoring it tomorrow when I have the time to sit and enjoy it... maybe do a little dancing in my den. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #16 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------