From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #10 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 28 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 010 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: DJRD ["Steve T." ] Joni's 'Green Flag Song' display... [Brian Gross ] Joni on BBC Radio 2 soon [William Waddell ] Re: Wright reconsidered - NJC ["Barbara Stewart" ] Nissan Live Sets - Joni on Yahoo Music next Tues! ["Christopher Treacy" <] Re: Wright reconsidered, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Joni on BBC Radio 2 soon ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Nissan Live Sets - Joni on Yahoo Music next Tues! ["Randy Remote" ] Re: DJRD [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Joni mention in a letter to the editor [Patti Parlette ] Re: Wright reconsidered NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Crosby Rocks the Cradle NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:42:53 +0000 From: "Steve T." Subject: Re: DJRD 'Otis...' and 'Cotton Ave.' I like very much, but the rest just falls down for me. Was a much brighter sound after Hejira. Hee guitar playing on that album is stunning too! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:51:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Joni's 'Green Flag Song' display... ... is coming to Toronto! Here's the article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080327.wbuzz27breakout/BNStory/Entertainment/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080327.wbuzz27breakout Joni Mitchell's photo show coming to Luminato Toronto - Luminato, Toronto's "festival of arts and creativity," has scored the Canadian premiere of a photographic exhibition by Canadian singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell. The exhibition, called Green Flag Song, has previously been shown in New York and Los Angeles, and is composed of 60 green-tinged triptychs of digitally modified images, printed on canvas, that Mitchell originally photographed in 2006 from a malfunctioning TV set in her Los Angeles home. At the show's debut, Mitchell described its theme as "being about war, revolution and torture." Included are images of exploding atomic bombs, soldiers, U.S. President George W. Bush and Jesus. Produced in association with the Art Gallery of Ontario, the Mitchells will be exhibited June 6-22 at CTV Queen Street, former home of CITY-TV. Luminato is also presenting Mitchell's ballet The Fiddle and the Drum June 13-14 at the Four Seasons Centre. - ----------------------------- If you can make it, you should absolutely see this in person. Brian np: Nathan Rogers - True Stories (thanks again for the heads-up, Mags) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:18:07 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Racism, Wright, Joni... Hi Doug, Hi David! I dont't think I ever talked to Doug, and I know I never said welcome to David - but hi Doug and welcome David! I enjoy reading your posts! I agree with both of you. Also, I can't remember if Wright did or did not say that the US brought 7/11 on themselves because of their foreign politics. I understand why such remarks are offensive in the extreme to many people, but it nevertheless is an opinion that I have heard voiced many times, it is not one that I share but I understand why some people would think so. As for the statement that "when you say something racist then you are racist". Joni in an interview last year said some thing to the effect that she has more black fans than white, because black men are not afraid of their emotions, the way white men are. Maybe she even said that is why black men are better musicians that white men. Here is another quotation: "If the [21st] century unfolds as I hope it does, the four major races will begin to coerce and understand their contributions to the greater whole; that intellect - whitey's contribution - will be put in its proper perspective. And emotionality of the black race - the end they hold up - will become an equal to it. The clarity of the yellow race, and the sensitivity and the depth of the red race will all be used by all, that we'd all borrow from one another. That's my dream." and another one: "North, I know; east, I see; south, I feel; west, I sense." ...."North is the white race, the body;east is the yellow race, the mind; south is the black race, the soul; west is the red race, the spirit." I'm not saying these are beautiful truths, just that... well from Wright to Joni, people think and perceive all sorts of things, and it's a strange antiseptic way of thinking that won't accept this. Too bad that none of Joni's interviewers didn't challenge her views. Why not just ask her if she didn't think such generalizations were bordering on racism? Best Bene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:51:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: RE: who did that? >Subject: Re: who did that? >do you know who prevented joni from reaching the top spot (on chart) >during her C&S and MoA era? as you know, C&S and MoA only reached #2.> >Rian, my guess is Olivia Newton-John. >Bob Not only that, but ONJ also robbed Joni of a Grammy or two that year. Imagine, just imagine, awarding anything to ONJ above Court and Spark? It's criminal. I remember watching the broadcast and feeling disappointed and baffled. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:00:12 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: Joni on BBC Radio 2 soon http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/musicclub/doc_iconsrevisited.shtml _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:18:30 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Re: Wright reconsidered - NJC Doug & David: White Canadian living in NYC :-) - and veteran of 9/11 - here. I too share your opinions on Wright's explanation of 'blowback' and the difficulty of discussing race here in the US (or even in Canada). As an outsider, now having lived in the US for 15 years, I am still astounded by some (note!) Americans' inability to reason and discuss logically when *sacred* self-definitions of always being the 'good guys' in the 'greatest democracy in the world' comes into play. This has been true in every crisis and debate in this country I've witnessed since moving here. Particularly around questions of foreign policy: Israel, the Middle East, Latin America, etc. But domestic issues - from crime to race to women's rights - as well. Invariably those with the strongest knee-jerk opinions are those who do not read papers regularly, do not seek out information to form an opinion, and have a 3 week memory for history. There is little tolerance for understanding that as the US sows violence in the world, it engenders the same, and it will be directed back upon them. Logical - something we learn in the schoolyard. But considered a treasonous thought by most even here in the heart of 'liberal' America. It is such a contradiction, in a country of highly educated people (relatively speaking) that takes such great pride in the rights & responsibilities of citizenship. What I am not yet clear on is : What is the missing element, the corrective required, to truly allow for open debate of all ideas? Particularly difficult in a society dominated by a superficial media that has abandoned its responsibility to inform honestly and dispassionately, such that democracy can be an exercise and result instead of just a meaningless adjective. I am sorely disappointed in what I've seen of American democracy and adherence to its founding principles. I hope this generation, and the next, come to understand that active citizenship means more than going to the polls, based on misinformation and sculpted 'personality', then waiting quiescent for 4 more years when the circus will begin again. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:44:02 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: DJRD I dunno, the whole album to me is pretty stunning.... bright, funny, funky(can you imagine, Joni, FUNKIN' ON DOWN!?!?!?). With enough for the head, enough for the heart, enough for the body. And ind the sheer audacity of the album. That in itself deserves something. Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 27/03/2008, Steve T. wrote: > 'Otis...' and 'Cotton Ave.' I like very much, but the rest just falls down > for me. Was a much brighter sound after Hejira. Hee guitar playing on that > album is stunning too! > > Steve > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:00:44 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Nissan Live Sets - Joni on Yahoo Music next Tues! I received this press release earlier today - styling! Cheers, Chris HERBIE HANCOCK AND JONI MITCHELL PERFORM FOR YAHOO! NISSAN LIVE SETS APRIL 1 'River: The Joni Letters' Collaborators Play Three Songs From Grammy-Winning Album Herbie Hancock, winner of the 2008 Album of the Year Grammy for 'River: The Joni Letters' (Verve), took the stage with longtime friend, collaborator and inspiration Joni Mitchell when he taped a show for Nissan Live Sets that will debut on Yahoo! Music April 1. It is the first time a worldwide audience will be able to see the two play together. Mitchell sang on three of her songs -- "River," "Tea Leaf Prophecy" and "Hana." Hancock, backed by guitarist Lionel Loueke, bassist Marcus Miller, drummer Vinnie Colaiuta, saxophonist Bob Sheppard, vocalist Sonya Kitchell and DJ C-Minus, also played classics including "Chameleon," "Watermelon Man," "Maiden Voyage" and "Rockit." The performance, including video streams of 10 individual songs and an audience Q&A, will be available beginning April 1 at http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 Hancock will begin an international tour in May that will include Brazil, Europe and many dates in the U.S. and Canada, including the Playboy Jazz Festival in Los Angeles. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Wright reconsidered, njc America needs serious therapy > to solve its racial problems. That starts with stopping the denial > that we still have a racial divide in this country. And pointing that > fact out does not constitute racism. Hi David, I enjoyed your lengthy post. I usually don't read lengthy posts because I am easily distracted, but your's held my attention and was very well written. As for who can call blacks racist or not, I am of the opinion blacks can. If Obama considered his minister's words racist, perhaps they were. I have a student I really like who is a black woman, and we talked a lot about Rev. Wright's comments and Obama. She said there are racist blacks who "hate white people." She said she was raised differently. I was too. My mother taught both white and black 3rd grade students in 1954 in Canada. Her obstetrician who delivered me was a black man. My mother's best friends at work here in Arkansas were black women who I felt were second mother's to me. My ancestors moved to the USA after the Civil War, and my mother didn't grow up with racism and didn't pass racism on to me. Neither did my student's mother. Both my student and I agreed it takes racist people dying off to gain much ground in solving the race issue. It is a slow process, but we've come a long way since Martin Luther's dream. The reality of the dream especially among the youth, not perfectly but by enlarge there, is nothing to think of lightly. No therapy can bring this kind of healing. Passing prejudiced generations as well as friendships can. One of my mother's best friends' daughters became a black lawyer in the late 70's here in Arkansas. She said to my mother, "thank God for slavery" and explained that by saying she had it better here than she could have if her ancestors had stayed in Africa. To focus on prejudice today rather than the healthy relationships among the people in this country perpetuates the sickness in my opinion. My student agrees with this. We solve racism one relationship at a time. It is like the gay vs. straight issue. Friendship works best at solving the problem. All of this reminds me of Scott Peck's book THE DIFFERENT DRUM, COMMUNITY MAKING AND PEACE, A Spiritual Journey Toward Self-Acceptance, True Belonging, and New Hope for the World. In the book he says if you don't like a particular person or group of people, these are the ones you need to get to know and invite into your circle. That is how to form community and world peace. Last night at the AA meeting we studied the third AA tradition in the book The Twelve Steps and Twelve Tradions of Alcoholics Anonymous. This is another very good source to see how a community can develop from exclusive toward inclusive and foster peace. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:44:01 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni on BBC Radio 2 soon This Amanda Ghost interview came out last year. Either they are replaying it, or this is an old webpage (there is no broadcast date mentioned). RR From: "William Waddell" > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/musicclub/doc_iconsrevisited.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:40:26 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Nissan Live Sets - Joni on Yahoo Music next Tues! The Good: We'll be able to see a great concert. The Bad: It will be computer quality. The Hope: On dvd someday. > HERBIE HANCOCK AND JONI MITCHELL PERFORM FOR YAHOO! NISSAN LIVE SETS APRIL > 1 > The performance, including video streams of 10 individual songs and an > audience Q&A, will be available beginning April 1 at > http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:26:03 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: lots of joni videos some joni, some covers, & some karaoke here http://www.last.fm/music/Joni+Mitchell/+videos ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: DJRD DJRD is fantastic. It's so very eclectic, I suppose? My favorites are The Silky Veils of Ardor, DJRD, and Talk To Me. Although I will say I still prefer MOA's Jericho to DJRD's Jericho...only because of the drumming really. -M Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: I dunno, the whole album to me is pretty stunning.... bright, funny, funky(can you imagine, Joni, FUNKIN' ON DOWN!?!?!?). With enough for the head, enough for the heart, enough for the body. And ind the sheer audacity of the album. That in itself deserves something. Much Joni Jamie Zooby On 27/03/2008, Steve T. wrote: > 'Otis...' and 'Cotton Ave.' I like very much, but the rest just falls down > for me. Was a much brighter sound after Hejira. Hee guitar playing on that > album is stunning too! > > Steve > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:06:28 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni mention in a letter to the editor Bon soir Joniami(e)s! I was just reading the letters to the editor in the Hartford Courant, when what to my wondering eyes should appear but the name JONI MITCHELL! LETTERS TO THE EDITOR Big White Elephant March 27, 2008 It seems Linda Smith knew what she was talking about when she initially opposed building the Showcase Cinemas in East Windsor [Business section, March 25, "A Massive Vacancy"]. The article reports that Ms. Smith "watched and videotaped as crews tore up the trees surrounding her house." The Courant described the area left by closed movie theaters as nearly impossible to redevelop. I take issue with First Selectwoman Denise Menard's observation that "the area was a prime location for retail business, whether it was a movie theater or another use." Being a prime location is not the only criteria for a decision to destroy a natural habitat. Let's not dwell on the past. My suggestion for how this building could be put to excellent use is as follows, inspired by songwriter Joni Mitchell: East Windsor could take all the trees and put them in a tree museum. They could charge the people a dollar and a half just to see them. The building is surely tall enough for many tree species. If this catches on, perhaps they could build a pink hotel, a boutique and a swingin' hot spot. The town would benefit from the $1.50 charge to see the trees  and the income generated from the tourists coming to the area to see the tree museum. Suzanne Snyder Suffield **** LOL....do you think I made up an alternative alliterative nom de plume? No, it wasn't me. I swear it! ; ) What, you don't believe me? I swear on the stars above! I swear on the streetlight on the corner Shoving back the shadows! I swear on the buildings above I swear on a billion yellow And T.V. blue windows I swear on the blinkin' planes above I swear on the truck at the stoplight With his airbrakes moaning I swear on the disco sparkle dark I swear on the be-bop boys Chasing the black bird But of course I *do* admit that when I read the original article, http://www.courant.com/business/hc-sprawl0325.artmar25,0,1132570.story I was looking for the words "paved paradise" or SOMETHING from Joni, and was surprised to not see anything. (Idiot writer. I don't understand people who don't put a Joni-something into everything they write but, hey. That's just me!) I felt very sorry for the woman looking out the window onto what used to be the pond she skated on as a little girl, surrounded by beautiful trees, now gone. Like the turn of a page. No more cinematic lovers OR trees swaying on that land. It's a shame, it's a shame. It's a crying shame. Love, Patti P. P.S. Congrats to (beach) Tar (on my feet) Heels fans, Joseph and Mr. & Mrs. SCJoniguy! _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:09:00 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: NJC - Missy Higgins Cassy wrote: > Gosh I must have been hiding under a rock to have missed this awesome talent. > She is, of course, really big in Australia from what I've been reading but I > only heard a track on the radio today and have listened to it over and over... > really liking her and her piano. Missy Higgins is a great singer-songwriter - well worth a listen. And I'll do another plug for two NZ singer-singwriters: Anika Moa and Hollie Smith. Anika has been around for a while, her latest album is called "In Swings The Tide" and I highly recommend it. http://www.anikamoa.com Hollie Smith is incredible - her first album was released earlier this year, and she has the most unbelievable voice. Her take on jazz/blues is amazing, especially for someone so young (she's only 20 or 21). Definitely recommended! http://www.holliesmith.co.nz Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:35:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Wright reconsidered NJC David, I must have missed the digest with your original post but fortunately got to read it when someone replied & copied it. What an insightful & intelligent post, thank you. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:18:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Crosby Rocks the Cradle NJC I'm passing on the following email from a young musician who I am so proud of. I have watched him grow up & somewhere I have a tape he gave me at age 7 or so with his first song on it :~} I have really enjoyed witnessing his career take off over the past several years & can attest to how hard he's been working & how very talented he is. Next Tuesday night he'll be performing on national TV. If you like Jackson Browne & James Taylor I think you will be very captivated by Crosby's music. I have heard reviews reference influences of the Police, Genisis & Dave Matthews. And of course, his Dad. And may I just add that he has been known to cite Patty Griffin as an influence :~} BTW, he was named after Bing. Please read his email (below), listen to his music & vote if you like what you hear. Thanks, Kate Here is the email- Hey Everybody, I've got some big news!! As many of you already know, I was recently selected to participate in MTV's newest reality music competition, "Rock The Cradle". The show airs LIVE NEXT THURSDAY, APRIL 3 @ 10PM (EST), and will feature the talented offspring of music industry stars facing off each week by performing live in front of a studio audience. The show is VOTING BASED, and there is an ELIMINATION EVERY WEEK! I feel its worth saying that my decision to participate in this show was not an easy one. I have spent 7 very hard working years in direct pursuit of my career, putting a tremendous amount of energy into stepping out from behind my father's shadow. I take great pride in the fact that every aspect of my career, from my management to my band to my record deal, has developed organically and as a result of my own hard work. But the fact remains that I am Kenny Loggins' son, and that's not ever going to change. This show is a huge opportunity for me to fully embrace that reality and move past it into my own career. SO SPREAD THE WORD!! - WATCH MTV and VOTE NEXT THURSDAY, APR 3 at 10e/9c (online or by text message - stay tuned for voting details). - Encourage others to go to and JOIN MY MAILING LIST to receive more information and voting details. (Even if you think you're already on the list, join it again. We've updated some things and you won't receive multiple emails). - Visit my MYSPACE page and paste the "Digital Stickers" into your own myspace pages to help spread the word. Tell your friends to do the same! - Forward this LETTER on to your own mailing lists, and post it in your blogs, bulletins and personal web pages. - Tell everyone you know to VOTE next Thursday, and share these tools to help spread the word! Thank you so much guys. Very Sincerely, Crosby Loggins ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #10 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------