From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2008 #3 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 22 2008 Volume 2008 : Number 003 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Herbie (njc) [] Herbie review [missblux@googlemail.com] Yahoo [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Herbie review [Brian Gross ] Re: Herbie review [missblux@googlemail.com] re: race njc [David Eoll ] Missing digest with Kakki's review ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] innie circ le NJC [Mags ] Joni performing Hana [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Missing digest with Kakki's review [Jeannie ] Richardson endorses Obama [Jeannie ] Re: Joni and Herbie [Susan Glumac ] vanity fair joni [ricw1217@aol.com] NJC Lieberman & McCain [Jeannie ] Re: Obama's speech, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Joni and Herbie ["WATTS, LESLI" ] Re: DJRD pics [Bob Muller ] NJC Re: sweet dreams are made of Joni [Bob Muller ] RE: Herbie taping ["WATTS, LESLI" ] Re: Herbie taping [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Lieberman & McCain ["Randy Remote" ] NJC Re: sweet dreams are made of Joni, and a little basketball [Patti Par] njc, Nurse Ratched vs. Mister Rodgers (sic) [Patti Parlette ] Re: NJC Lieberman & McCain [Jeannie ] Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide! [rian afriadi ] Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version [rian afriadi ] Joni on Vanilla Sky [rian afriadi ] Re: Gas Price, NJC [rian afriadi ] Shine listening [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version ["Jerry Notaro" Subject: Herbie (njc) Patti, To be honest, I personally wouldn't characterize Obama and Herbie as kindred spirits, because, to me, they are both highly individual persons. Not alike but both have the gift to inspire in different ways. That's why I highly recommend watching the Herbie taping when it comes on Yahoo. It's rare anymore to hear public figures speak at length, in depth with substance and wisdom. I'm still somewhat amazed by last night - (for me) Herbie kind of channeling my dad. Some of what he said was word for word what I grew up hearing. Not the typical cliched words or common sense, but real depth. It shook me and was a bit supernatural. Beyond that, I really think people will love to hear what he has to say. He is a real sweet man and I am so happy and reassured that he is one of Joni's best friends. I don't think she could do any better. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:36:25 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Herbie review Hey both, ahrrrr you people are so lucky! I want to live in LA too! Thanks so much for the reviews! I'm looking forward to watching the show on Yahoo if I can, but I'm not sure what that is other than a search engine? OOOh I wish I was there! SO glad you had a good time! Love Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:40:41 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Yahoo Sorry I just said I don't know what yahoo is other than a search engine. I forgot that I had just read Monikas email saying the show will be on here: http://music.yahoo.com/promo-31904706 Am getting old or something.... Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Herbie review Fox's news story on the show: http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6103439&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1 - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hey both, > > ahrrrr you people are so lucky! I want to live in LA too! > > Thanks so much for the reviews! I'm looking forward to watching the > show on Yahoo if I can, but I'm not sure what that is other than a > search engine? > > OOOh I wish I was there! SO glad you had a good time! > > Love > > Bene > - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:24:58 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Herbie review Oh my she does look good! But I don't know what I was looking for the most: the musicians or Lesli, Pete & Kakki! Thanks for the link Brian! I'm looking forward to hearing this. Kakki's reports on her voice are intriguing, I'm looking forward to hearing if there really is an improvement. Bene On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Brian Gross wrote: > Fox's news story on the show: > http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6103439&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1 > > > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hey both, > > > > ahrrrr you people are so lucky! I want to live in LA too! > > > > Thanks so much for the reviews! I'm looking forward to watching the > > show on Yahoo if I can, but I'm not sure what that is other than a > > search engine? > > > > OOOh I wish I was there! SO glad you had a good time! > > > > Love > > > > Bene > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:14:55 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: re: race njc > From: "Randy Remote" > Subject: Re: NJC Obama > > Why is Obama considered black? He is half white. There's a scene in the movie Cotton Club, which takes place in Harlem in the 1930s, where Greg Hines and Lonette McKee, a very light skinned black woman, are trying to get a hotel room, and the clerk tells them that they don't admit mixed couples. McKee explains, "We're colored." The clerk looks confused and says something like, "Well, he's colored, and you are...?" She's exasperated at this point and says, "I don't know. My father is black and my mother is white. What does that make me?" The clerk says, "Colored", and hands them the key. There is recent research that demonstrates exactly how ridiculous these types of categorizations are. I don't have links, because its just from something I think I saw on a Discovery Channel show or something. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The recent mapping of the human genome shows that Africa has the most genetically diverse population of any continent. So diverse, that a person from one part of sub-Saharan Africa, with skin just as dark as you please, could actually be more closely related to a pale-skinned European than to a "fellow" dark-skinned African. Put another way, skin-color is a very poor indicator of genetic difference. Put yet another way, and hopefully not to put too fine a point on it: There is no such thing as a black race. If we're going to insist on dividing people up into categories (must we?), skin color is a bad choice of criterium. I'm assuming that most people here feel that racism is stupid. Well, now we have scientific proof that racism is stupid. Take that, Bell Curve! Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:46:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Missing digest with Kakki's review If anyone missed Kakki's review in v2008 n001, it's at: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2008.n001 Jim L'Hommedieu News about the list is JC. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:05:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Wow content - Joni and Herbie tonight WoW!. I am so glad you guys got to go. I was there in spirit and I am traveling traveling traveling on April 1 to the land of the Bay of Fundy so I will watch it in a taxi, train, or waiting for a plane. Thanks for the great review as always it made me feel like I was there. Happy Easter Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Mar 21, 2008, at 2:32 AM, wrote: Yes, it has been my Joni list avocation ;-) to bring you all a recitation of Joni and other music reviews over the years but I have to confess I am almost stumped tonight after attending the Herbie Hancock taping. Ah well, I am getting older and concise articulation is perhaps no longer my forte - hee! So my review of tonight will be all over the place but hopefully you will get the drift. (I am also exhausted so cut me some slack ;-) The overwhelming feeling is, my God, how did I get so lucky? I remember when I joined the list in 1997, none of us had seen Joni perform live in some 15 years and never expected to ever see her perform live again. When she did the '98 tours we thought we had died and gone to heaven. Then magically there were more events and art exhibits and the PWWAM taping and the 2000 tour and we were alive and thrashing ecstatically once again. Just have to say that once again I won the Joni lottery tonight at the Herbie taping. Lesli and I are the lucky girls. But I digress... We showed up - about 400 of us - and comfortably packed into a small sound stage. Lesli and Pete got front row seats and I got the back but was only about 35 feet away from the stage. I spotted Joni's good friend Charles Valentino ("Val") sitting on a couch nearby with Herbie's wife and daughter and thought this was a good omen. The stage director then somewhat breathlessly started telling us that we were in for some really big surprises tonight and that he has done 31 tapings with other artists but this one was going to take the cake, so to speak. So Herbie and the musicians come out - King of Sax Bob Sheppard, Joni band mate Vinnie Coliauta, Marcus Miller on bass and amazing Lionel from Benin on lead guitar. They play and then everyone keeps talking about "surprises." They do a Q and A from the audience with Herbie. One guy asks why Herbie decided to choose Joni's works for the last album. Of course, Herbie raved on all about Joni. Then he brings her out! She looked absolutely gorgeous. She was wearing a fantastic sort of print coat dress that I saw her in during the 2000 BSN tour which looks like silk jersey and shows the marbled bowling ball of earth and Krishna swinging on a crescent moon and the stars and comets. (I recall back then being amazed that she found the perfect Judgment of the Moon and Stars dress). She then performed the most astounding version of River - all jazz and Herbie inflected style. It was just stunning. Joni's singing voice is amazingly good right now - I felt like I was transported back in time. She then performed Tea Leaf Prophecy and then, surprise, Sonya Kitchell came onstage to back her up on Hana. Everyone was on their feet. I was thinking, well, at least in this setting there will not be anyone bleating out "I Love You, Joni" but yes there was! And it was her own best friend Val who yelled it out with a big grin on his face. It was great! There was some more Q & A with Herbie and now I was just mesmerized by his thoughts. Those who are inspired by Mr. Obama will truly feel quite the same listening to Herbie. I must say with all affection that he likes to talk and expound as much as Joni and every sentence is a gem. Personally, I felt like I was listening to every lesson and word of wisdom ever imparted to me by my father. It may sound weird, but it was very affirming to hear a great like Herbie say so much of what my dad always said to me over the years, be it the true value of life or creativity. A few sound bites from Herbie - success is not measured by fame, celebrity, wealth or power but by how much you give, how much you encourage and by your compassion. He also said that other human beings are never the enemy - that only you can be the enemy and you have to "wake up" from that. Sonya came back on and sang a very jazzy rendition of All I Want. Yes, I was just pinching myself at this point. Herbie also performed Watermelon Man, Cantaloupe and his mindblowing Maiden Voyage - right up there at the top of the most beautiful classical jazz composition you will ever hear. As an encore he brought in artist C Minus to play the turntable to Rockit. Lesli and I talked by cell phone all the way home just ranting and raving. You all can see it yourself on Yahoo on April 1st! Kakki, the most Lucky Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:11:53 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sweet dreams are made of Joni WARNING: "All in a dream, all in a dream"...a stream of subconsciousness.....and very long Kenny B, you may say you're a Joni dreamer, but you're not the only one! I really DID dream of Joni last night! Thanks to those moonlight ladies, Kakki and Lesli, and the moon at my window, it was a marvelous night for a moon dance dream. (You laugh. You think you're immune? Go look in your eyes, they're full of moons, too!) Let me teach my fingers to flyyyyyyy across the keyboard and get it out before I wake up vanishing. I may forgo a lot of punctuation (sorry sorry sorry, after the last few lessons....LOL). I was in a forest, with two best friends (whose identity kept changing during the dream), but most of the time it was Rise (pronounced reee-suh from 8-12th grade) and then Janis (b/f since 1975) and I saw Joni. It was like "But, Soft! What light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Joni is the SUN" and the light was all shining on her. She was wearing a green velvet Juliet-dress like in Franco Z's Romeo and Juliet movie with beautiful gold trim and she was sitting on a rock, playing the dulcimer. I went up to her and said, shyly: "Joni, I have always wanted to meet you. My name is Patti." She was warm and gracious and loving and kind and told me she has always wanted to meet me, too. We talked and then she played and there were all these little creatures around us, Shakespearean (sp?) and Bambi and Snow White-like. Kakki and Lesli were there, of course, and some other people. River of changing faces, you know? Smurf was darting in and out from behind trees, like Puck or some woodland, elfin faerie, clutching his figleaf. He was blue of course, and giggling mischievously. He whispered: "I knew you'd meet her someday! I knew it! Just like you met Cindy!" Then, suddenly, we had to go into town. (Don't ask me, ask the dreamweavers. Or ask the dancer, she knows the answer.) No taxi into town. (New paragraph? Okay, okay!!!!!!!!! Shut up and let me tell my dream before it is gone, like the turn of a page!!!) I had to drive a truck and was crushing gears like crazy with a bunch of friends in the back -- maybe it was that van you dreamt of Kenny, I don't know, or a bus bus magic bus, but I had a lot of trouble driving and we finally made it into town. Up from the forest and down to the seaside town. We were in a hurry because we thought Joni was going to appear somewhere. We pulled into some roadhouse. It was a dirty Barangrill/juke box dive, well not THAT dirty but not a place worthy of Joni, so a bunch of us went in and there she was! The owner said there was a concert just for a few people, so we looked for a place to sit. The bar was wooden and so was the floor....kind of dirty grey wood. Just a touch of grey. There were locals kicking and shaking on the floor. I thought it might be Atty Mays, even though I have only seen it in photographs. The area in front of Joni was cordonned off, but Janis and I snuck under the ropes and sat at Joni's feet and she smiled at us. She remember us from the forest! Rise sat at the bar. Joni started to play guitar and sing a brand new beautiful song, about Christmas lights and the friendship of three ladies of the canyon, but it wasn't Annie and Estrella and Trina she sang about-- it was Janis and Rise and Patti! She looked at me when she sang "Patti" and smiled, and the crowd clapped and cheered. (Was I wresting w/ my ego in the dazzling darkness? LOL!) The song was beautiful. Her best ever! Joni was wearing a sparkly long dress by now -- Judgment of the Moon and Stars -- not exactly like Kakki described though...it had a lot of red and orange and yellow-gold but it was just absolutely gorgeous like October sunlight on leaves and there were heavenly light streams all around her. No empty spotlight. She filled it all up. She looked radiant and sparkly like in the MOA photograph. When she sang each of our names, she almost called Janis Rise by mistake, but looked into her eyes and quickly realized it was Janis, and made a remarkable comeback. I could see her brain working, almost. She smiled at me again, and laughed that beautiful spontaneous laugh like in MOA after the Gomer Pyle/Richard Nixon comment. I was so psyched to be included in her song. (There is her song for MEEEEEEEE!) I have never heard a song with my name in it before. Marianne gets lots of songs, and there's Marcy and Susan and Bobby McGee and Barbara Ann and Lovely Rita and along comes Mary and Carrie Ann and Richard and Rhonda and Wendy and Ruby Tuesday and Eleanor and Sexy Sadie and all those lucky kids, but never one for me. Ha ha, poor poor pitiful me! Oops. Sorry! Back to the dream. All of a sudden (after the rush when you come back down) I was in a big sedan like Ray's Dad's cadillac, with my father driving (he was a good man like Kakki's Dad) and me and my three brothers (oops! "my brothers and I" -- sorry!) were in the back seat. My oldest brother was telling me that I lost the key to his radio (what? radios don't have keys,you dummy!!! you just turn them ON!) We were fighting so I climbed into the front seat where my mother used to sit. My mother was not there. Where is my mother????? I climbed back into the back seat and told all my brothers to SHUT UP and listen to me. I told them: "Listen! This is important. I saw JONI MITCHELL tonight. And she sang a brand new song, with MY name in it." Then -- poufffff! ---- we were back in the woods. No kin, just friends now. Donna B was there! And you know.... Joni was sitting back on the rock again (she's either going to thaw out or freeze and I will wake up!), and I whispered to Janis that I wanted to ask Joni where she got the beautiful boots. Janis said: "Ask her! Ask her!" So I finally did and Joni gave me the name of some WEBSITE! LOL....Joni don't do computers, as we all know, so that struck me funny. I had no pen and paper so I tried to remember it. It was www.sw.texas or something. Then Joni took off her boots to show me how they were made and they turned into ugly K-Mart-type loafers with attached socks that you pulled up like boots. I guess they only look beautiful on Joni. Then I woke up. Don't you hate that? Oh well. C'est la vie en reves, je suppose. But still, somehow: Oh, what a beautiful morning, Oh, what a beautiful day I've got a beautiful feeling Joni is coming our way! (I dedicate that song expecially to Mr. Muller, Sr, because he loves it, and he must be having another birthday soon, no?) And to all of you, a beautiful morning -- or what ever time it is just at this moment, in your world. Love, Patti P., a wildwood flower in the forest with Joni, wavin' for ya, _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:13:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: innie circ le NJC Laura wrote: I am not offended by much on this list because I realized early on that nothing but the inner circle is to be taken very seriously, tks for coaching me out of lurkdom again :-) hi Laura, Just curious as to what you meant here. I think that Les Listmeister once wrote that everyone is in the inner circle. ;--) Mags, watching the melting of the big snow while little snow flakes dance outside my window. - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni performing Hana Did I read that review of Herbie and Joni correctly? That Joni performed "Hana" (with backup) from Shine? It could be my own desperate desire for some hope but does anyone else maybe take that as a good sign? Why would Joni even bother with performing anything from the new album even she wasn't planning on doing anything more with it? More gigs or something? You know what I mean? Granted, I'm probably reading WAY more into this....but still, "you may say I'm a dreamer...." -M You can strip a man of his basic needs but you can never steal a man's hope and dreams. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Missing digest with Kakki's review Beautifully written. How I wish I was there! It hurts to not have been. :( :::::: Jeannie Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: If anyone missed Kakki's review in v2008 n001, it's at: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2008.n001 Jim L'Hommedieu News about the list is JC. ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:56:08 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Herbie taping Where did this taping take place? You folks were truly blessed. Its always a treat to see such great artists in such an intimate setting. I would love to see Joni in any setting, but this just sounds too good to be true. Wishing I were there, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Richardson endorses Obama Now, what must the mangy mongrel leaders of Nazi Babylon be feeling about all of this political baby mutt business? BTW, I love Bill's (Richardson, that is) beard, just as I loved Al Gore's beard. Beards are just alright with me! Jeannie PS: Ohhh, honey, you turn me on. I'm a radio. I'm a country station (from Texas) I'm a little bit corny I'm a wildwood flower Waving for you A broadcasting tower Waving for you... ~JM~ ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:04:47 -0800 From: Susan Glumac Subject: Re: Joni and Herbie Hi Everyone, I too was a lucky lotto winner. Last time I got a notice about a private taping and didn't go was PWWM. So this time, even though I live in San Diego, I was determined to make it. The musical experience was fabulous. Herbie's heartfelt answers, phrased in Buddhist psychology, had my jaw dropping. When is the last time you heard a celebrity say that you can measure the worth of your life by how much you give not get? Or hearing him say that he was chanting for 3 hours a day - not so that he could win a Grammy for himself, but that it would honor all the great jazz musicians that had come before him. Seeing Joni in that dress - and BTW, it was Saraswati, not Krishna had me grinning from ear to ear. Saraswati is the Hindu goddess of music and arts. But perhaps the biggest revelation for me was Herbie's explanation of jazz. I have to admit, I never quite "got" jazz until last night. His explanation that you have to trust since you don't know what notes or beat come next just busted me open. I finally understand that listening to jazz is not a linear experience. FAR OUT! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:50:50 -0400 From: ricw1217@aol.com Subject: vanity fair joni Hey Joni Pods!!!? i am emerging from the land of lurk because of a great article in vanity fair with some substantial joni content...i don't read the joni mail much anymore (except for eric taylor's demented comparisons of her work to beethoven and da vinci, which amuse me to no end) so maybe everyone has already discussed this at length, but if so i missed it.? roberto brought the article to my attention and we both had one of the best laughs in recent memory over the bit about when chuck mitchell, upset over adulterous suspicions, put joni over his knee and spanked her.? oh to have been a fly on the wall... anyway, check out the current issue with sarah silverman and tina fey on the cover.? its a great read.? peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: NJC Lieberman & McCain Sorry about not having used NJC on my previous post, 'Richardson endorses Obama.' Anyway, I'm wondering why Joe Lieberman has recently been seen near John McCain's side all of the time. After I saw on my TV, Joe Lieberman attend the prime time crime, snake-bite evangelist, John Hagee's lobbyist/fundraiser dinners, I don't believe in Lieberman at all. I was having dinner with a friend of mine at an outdoor cafe when this couple went and sat in front of us. I heard a glutton ravenously eating and bothering me with his oink-like noises as he ate the salsa and chips. I moved to another seat to not have to look at them. Then their dinner came and it was as if he even had a microphone on his loud chomping and I looked back thinking, "What the #&%?" It was John Hagee, oblivious to his wild-boar eating etiquette. We had to leave, disgusted at John Hagee at all levels. It seemed to be a scene right out of Fellini's take on Rome in all of it's decadence, in his film, "Satirycon." He's a hypocrite. His gay brother was a savvy new car salesman who sold me a car back in the eighties. I asked him if he was involved with his brother's church. He told me his brother didn't accept his homosexuality and rebuked him as the black sheep of the family, prohibiting him access to his church and home. His name was Mike and he had a major crush on my friend and gave me an unbeatable price on a vehicle. I felt so, so sad for him and even though my son was just a kid, he, too felt compassion for Mike. He knew Mike had a crush on our friend and to make me laugh, my son cut the picture from Mike Hagee's business card and dedicated to my friend with love as us adults finished off the paperwork. Then my son came over to Mike's desk with the picture and "love" note and we all had a hysterical laugh, especially Mike and myself. We couldn't stop laughing, I swear! A few years back, I read that Mike died in a freak car accident. I passed by the funeral home to pay my respects and nobody was there and I thought of Joni's, 'Job's Sad Song,' and the lies, hate and hypocrisy this devil, John Hagee, stands for and this kind of hate is everywhere he roams, as he gathers the ignorant flock. Jeannie ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:39:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Obama's speech, njc Hi Laura, >I didn't hear the speech, I read it...The content didn't seem noteworthy. It wasn't anything new other than his thoughts about his particular minister who blundered.< That is what I said to Jeff when he asked me what I thought of the speech. I said that it wasn't new in content, in fact it is the way most people I know think & speak of such things. What was so unusual for me, is that a presidential candidate was speaking & thinking in the way he was. >The generations younger than Obama's minister are mostly beyond the minister's prejudice.< My experience is the opposite. There is an escalating amount of gang violence that is both racially & territorial (same ethnic race) motivated. All kinds- latino, black, white, asian. I sat in a potential jury pool last year (was not selected) that had people in the town - not my town but not far from here- afraid to come forward as witnesses because the gangs were so powerful & might retaliate against them. It was racially motivated. A 21 year old Latino man shot & killed a black man in broad daylight while he was riding his bicycle. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:39:06 -0700 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: RE: Joni and Herbie what an amazing write up . i was the one who told kakki that was krishna. i'd love to talkto you and learn more about the pantheon:) lesli ________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Susan Glumac Sent: Sat 3/22/2008 7:04 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni and Herbie Hi Everyone, I too was a lucky lotto winner. Last time I got a notice about a private taping and didn't go was PWWM. So this time, even though I live in San Diego, I was determined to make it. The musical experience was fabulous. Herbie's heartfelt answers, phrased in Buddhist psychology, had my jaw dropping. When is the last time you heard a celebrity say that you can measure the worth of your life by how much you give not get? Or hearing him say that he was chanting for 3 hours a day - not so that he could win a Grammy for himself, but that it would honor all the great jazz musicians that had come before him. Seeing Joni in that dress - and BTW, it was Saraswati, not Krishna had me grinning from ear to ear. Saraswati is the Hindu goddess of music and arts. But perhaps the biggest revelation for me was Herbie's explanation of jazz. I have to admit, I never quite "got" jazz until last night. His explanation that you have to trust since you don't know what notes or beat come next just busted me open. I finally understand that listening to jazz is not a linear experience. FAR OUT! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: DJRD pics While I would have to pick oxygen in that particular showdown, I love DJRD. I definitely wasn't ready for it when it came out, even on the heels of Hejira. Oh, I got the Hejira soundalikes right off, but the rest of it has had to fully bloom over time. It is indeed a masterwork. Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Big Brother" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: sweet dreams are made of Joni (I dedicate that song expecially to Mr. Muller, Sr, because he loves it, and he must be having another birthday soon, no?) Not til August 15, you impossible dreamer, but for that old coot it'll be here before you know it. Sorry about your Huskies last night. Bob NP: Mike Doughty, "Move On" (if you haven't heard this one, Patti here's another lyric you might appreciate: "Yeah, I believe the war is wrong Don't believe that nations can be steered Lead the world by smarts and compassion By example, not coercion, force and fear" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:02:12 -0700 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: RE: Herbie taping it was at the new NISSAN LIVE SETS stage on the fox/mgm studio in century city. good detective work brian, finding that footage. we'd seen a tv truck- too bad it was fox. you can use the link or just google nissan live sets. wonder how you get on that mailing list.! ________________________________ From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of David Eoll Sent: Sat 3/22/2008 8:56 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Herbie taping Where did this taping take place? You folks were truly blessed. Its always a treat to see such great artists in such an intimate setting. I would love to see Joni in any setting, but this just sounds too good to be true. Wishing I were there, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Herbie taping According to the Fox News blurb that Brian shared with us, it was a special soundstage set up for this taping for Yahoo. Bob NP: Grandaddy, "El Caminos In The West" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:41:51 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC Lieberman & McCain From: "Jeannie" > Anyway, I'm wondering why Joe Lieberman has recently been seen near John > McCain's side all of the time. > After I saw on my TV, Joe Lieberman attend the prime time crime, > snake-bite evangelist, John Hagee's lobbyist/fundraiser dinners, I don't > believe in Lieberman at all. Lieberman is definitely a demented little worm of a man, but it's worth noting that Obama has called him his "mentor". RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:26:52 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC Re: sweet dreams are made of Joni, and a little basketball Bob wrote: "Not til August 15, you impossible dreamer, but for that old coot it'll be here before you know it." I'll mark the date this time. But "impossible dreamer"? Hey! That was the first song dedication I got on my Facebook wall, and it was from a JMDLER! "Sorry about your Huskies last night." Thanks. Yeah, bummer, man. Definitely a portrait of a disappointment. But I do accept the losses, better than I used to. It's just a game. (LOL...that's not what I was yelling at the end of the game yesterday!) "NP: Mike Doughty, "Move On" (if you haven't heard this one, Patti here's another lyric you might appreciate: "Yeah, I believe the war is wrong Don't believe that nations can be steered Lead the world by smarts and compassion By example, not coercion, force and fear" " Thanks. "Lead the world by smarts and compassion" -- what a novel idea! Imaginez-vous! But that's a repetitious danger, putting a quarter in my anti-war Wurlitzer! Lucky for you that I have to go out shortly to deliver Easter lilies and conversation and comfort to my 100 year-old friend! Love, Patti P. NPOMTV w/the sound off: WV 66, Duke 55, 1:26 remaining. I'm borrowing Kakki's lovable "Hee!", to say it seems like they are going down down down the dark ladder to defeat. Hasta la vista, Dook! Congrats to Mike and Patti W. in Morgantown! _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:47:54 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Nurse Ratched vs. Mister Rodgers (sic) Warning: political content Catching up on my newspapers, this cracked me up. Barack folks will get a chuckle, Hillary folks may get a sorry face to wear. Sorry! Just throwing a little lightness on these things. You just have to laugh, cuz it's all so crazy. "Nurse Ratched Vs. Mister Rodgers (sic) By JIM SHEA March 19, 2008 Trying to sort out how we got from there to here. John McCain was supposed to be toast, except that now he's the Republican nominee. Hillary Clinton was supposed to be the Democratic nominee, except that a funny thing happened on the way to Super Tuesday. Then Barack Obama was supposed to be the nominee, except he got cold-cocked by Texas, Ohio and the kitchen sink. One reason for Hillary's comeback is that she found another new voice. The first time she found a new voice was in New Hampshire, when she cried, which really resonated with people in New Hampshire, who never cry, except, that is, when someone mentions taxes. The second time Hillary found her new voice was in the weeks leading up to the Texas-Ohio primaries, when she suddenly switched personas and went Nurse Ratched on Obama." Continued here (it's short): http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-raucous0319.artmar19,0,4553269.story And since I'm already on politics, have you seen my political nemesis Lieberman at McCain's side during their Middle East trip? Although he swore he would not be his running mate, I don't trust him for a minute. He's the one who said: "No one wants to end this war more than I do, and that's a FACT" when he was running against my man Lamont. Don't say I didn't warn ya! Don't let the handshake and the smile fool ya, take my advice, he's only trying to screw ya! (Mondegreen from h.s......LOL!) Peace, Patti _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:03:56 -0700 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: RE: Herbie taping and past and future shows. hard to believe that hell's e-mail from new zealand could hip the angelenos to this venue. there have actually been more than 30 concerts already recorded at the NISSAN LIVE SETS stage. how can you live in a city and not even know? go to the site and you can scroll through the archives and watch some of the other shows. seems they're trying to grab you tube's market with new shows. i've already e-mailed them and requested neil young with crazy horse and los lobos. we'll see. keeping my fingers crossed. lesli ________________________________ Subject: Re: vanity fair joni > Hey Joni Pods!!!? i am emerging from the land of lurk because of a great > article in vanity fair with some substantial joni content...i don't read > the joni mail much anymore > anyway, check out the current issue with > sarah silverman and tina fey on the cover.? its a great read.? > ric I haven't had a chance to read it yet (an excerpt from the forthcoming book Girls Like Us)...yes there has been some discussion of this. The VF article is here http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/04/musicgirls200804 damn, silverman and fey together-I have the hots for both... Annie Leibowitz' photos of Silverman dressed up as Amy Winehouse are priceless: http://www.tina-fey.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=213&pos=6 (click photo for larger java version) RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Lieberman & McCain Randy Remote wrote: Lieberman is definitely a demented little worm of a man, but it's worth noting that Obama has called him his "mentor". RR Whoa, Randy! Tough, harsh opinion of Lieberman there. That's not fair! The words, 'little worm of a man," though rang a bell and I remembered St. Francis of Assisi saying he considered himself a little worm of a man when he failed to follow the 10 Commandments of God and in imitating and following Christ carry his cross up to Calvary. I think Joe Lieberman is more of a showman than a politician, that's all, with a severe case of OCD, his focus and object of affection being mainly his political agenda. What could some of the reasons be why Barack kindly bestows Joe as "mentor," like he did his wife, Michelle, before they were married and both worked, him as a newbie, at that high-powered Chicago lawfirm? There are good reasons for such an honorable mention and I would like to know what Joe did to show Obama around the political scene, if it wasn't concerning Joe's own agenda. Now that would be fair. Thanks for the info, Randy! Truly, Jeannie ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide! Well, is there any relation between them? Yes there is. Yesterday, i watched a DVD. It was a documentary titled The Bridge. The movie is about suicides committed at the Golden Gate Bridge. In 2004, there were 24 people chose to end their lives there. And the relation with Joni? Well, in the middle of the movie, there was an audio clip that surprised me. It was dam da dam... dam da dam.... (DONT blame me for inaccuracy, onomatopoeia can vary within cultures) I thought Oh damn! That song! It was Man From Mars. Since i lost you I can't get through the day Without at least one big boo-hoo I always thought the song was simply about love. But, the movie opened another dimension of the song. It can be also translated into a feeling of losing a friend who committed suicide (which must be painful, right?). Rian NP. Man From Mars (ive never loved this song till now) PS. I CANT BELIEVE i can write onomatopoeia correctly without even looking at the dictionary! A triumph!!!!! PS. Onomatopoeia: A rooster's sound, in Indonesia, we call it "Kukuruyuk" (Koo-koo-roo-yook). And i swear to God this version is much closer to original sound than cock-a-doodle-doo (which is ridiculously weird) :o) _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version Read the Joni Content first. Sorry if the title of my latest post made some of you think that Joni Mitchell committed suicide through jumping from a bridge. No one complains me. But, i chose to apologize in case there is any of you who .... Rian Soon will watch : Sunset Boulevard with Gloria Swanson and William Holden (1950) (My favorite movie of all time #3). What do you think about the movie? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Suicide.NJC Speaking about suicide, actually there is a reason why I spent my money to buy a documentary about suicide titled The Bridge (read my post Joni/Bridge/Suicide). Last Friday, a guy that i know (i dont call him friend, because hes not my friend, i hate him a little, and we once had a fight last month where we punched each others face) sent me a message, an SMS. Sounded like this: Rian, is it normal if i have a thought about death when im at my lowest point? I dont like him. But, the message intrigued me, so I called his cellphone. He didnt pick up the phone. But i had a feeling there was something not right. So I called him again. Again. And again. For maybe 5 or 6 times. But he didnt pick it up. After that, i gave up, and resuming reading book (i was reading The Cartoon History of United States by Larry Gonnick) Later (two days ago) he told me that I saved his life that night. He was crying all alone in his room, with a knife. He didnt do it (slit his wrists) because I (the guy that he knows hate him) called him 5 or 6 times straight after receiving that message. I am happy he chose the right decision. And Im glad i called him. But, this experience is still weird to me. So surrealistic. I never thought I would have an episode of life-drama like this... Rian _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Joni on Vanilla Sky Well, perhaps you already know this. But, I just found it out. I watched Vanilla Sky for the very first time 4 or 5 years ago, and 5 years ago I had no idea who Joni Mitchell was. Today i watched it again, on DVD. What I found: Joni was mentioned once. (Tom Cruise (pointing a painting) : That one? It was by Joni Mitchell) One of her paintings appeared once. (on the Documentary section of the DVD, Cameron Crowe said that Joni Mitchell generously lent him that painting for the movie) Her photo appeared once for a quarter of a second at the end of the film. The photo was black and white and i believe it was from Blue era. Rian PS. So i watched 2 movies with Joni references in a day : The Bridge and Vanilla Sky PS. I'm digesting Carly Simon's You're So Vain _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Re: Gas Price, NJC In Indonesia, i litre = Rp.6500 1 USD = Rp.9000 Rp = rupiah, our currency Ten years ago, the price was only Rp.700 (can you believe that?) vroom vroom.... Rian PS. I spend Rp.20000 a week for gas. Pretty cheap. (but i ride a motorbike, not a car) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:45:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Shine listening Well it's been a little while now since Shine was released. That being said, when was the last time you listened to it? Just curious. -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:46:21 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rian afriadi" To: "joni" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version > Rian > Soon will watch : Sunset Boulevard with Gloria Swanson and William > Holden (1950) (My favorite movie of all time #3). What do you think > about the movie? Hi Rian, Sunset Boulevard is a great movie. A classic. If I have my Oscar history right, Bette Davis was nominated for All About Eve the same year that Gloria Swanson was nominated for Sunset Boulevard. These were both career-defining roles for these two actressess. They both lost out to Judy Holiday who won for her brilliant performance as a not-so-dumb blonde in Born Yesterday. Another career-defining role. All 3 movies are favorites of mine. But All About Eve tops the list for me. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: vanity fair joni Thanks so much for the link to the article! -M Randy Remote wrote: > Hey Joni Pods!!!? i am emerging from the land of lurk because of a great > article in vanity fair with some substantial joni content...i don't read > the joni mail much anymore > anyway, check out the current issue with > sarah silverman and tina fey on the cover.? its a great read.? > ric I haven't had a chance to read it yet (an excerpt from the forthcoming book Girls Like Us)...yes there has been some discussion of this. The VF article is here http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/04/musicgirls200804 damn, silverman and fey together-I have the hots for both... Annie Leibowitz' photos of Silverman dressed up as Amy Winehouse are priceless: http://www.tina-fey.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=213&pos=6 (click photo for larger java version) RR - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:27:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version And if you ever get to see it in a movie theater, GO!!!! Has to be seen on a big screen. Jerry Mark Scott wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rian afriadi" > To: "joni" > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 7:04 PM > Subject: Joni Mitchell/A Bridge/Suicide. NJC Version > > > >> Rian >> Soon will watch : Sunset Boulevard with Gloria Swanson and William >> Holden (1950) (My favorite movie of all time #3). What do you think >> about the movie? > > Hi Rian, > > Sunset Boulevard is a great movie. A classic. > > If I have my Oscar history right, Bette Davis was nominated for All > About Eve the same year that Gloria Swanson was nominated for Sunset > Boulevard. These were both career-defining roles for these two > actressess. They both lost out to Judy Holiday who won for her > brilliant performance as a not-so-dumb blonde in Born Yesterday. > Another career-defining role. > > All 3 movies are favorites of mine. But All About Eve tops the list > for me. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2008 #3 *************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------