From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #613 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 20 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 613 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Obama [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: NJC Obama [Jerry Notaro ] Race, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: NJC Obama ["Randy Remote" ] Re: NJC Obama [Bob Muller ] Re:Avenue Q (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: NJC Obama ["gene" ] Re: NJC Obama ["Vince Lavieri" ] price_ 20-Mar-2008 ["Jeffw" ] Re: NJC Obama [Deb Messling ] Re: JMDL retrospective NJC [David Eoll ] Re: JMDL retrospective NJC ["Mark Scott" ] njc antiSemitism and Holy Week/Easter ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: obama njc [dsknyc05 ] Re: a heckler NJC [David Eoll ] Re: 80s music now 90s and beyond njc [David Eoll ] Re: obama njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: obama njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: obama njc ["mack watson-bush" ] joni, the muse [David Eoll ] Re: obama njc [dsknyc05 ] Re: NJC Obama [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: joni, the muse [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: JMDL retrospective NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Fwd: the brain, njc [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:59:59 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: NJC Obama > However, his big problem (or could be big problem which we already see > on this list) is that he didn't denounce his Pastor completely. That > could very, very easily work against him and I can't blame anyone for > feeling strongly about that. The man (the pastor) is still a racist no > matter what amount of love he brings to people in church..or what he > does. If you say something racist, you're racist. It doesn't matter what > you do or what sort of a person you normally are. You're racist. > Simple as that. But it's not that simple. That doesn't completely define him as a person. I can talk about how much I love the Red Sox but that doesn't completely define who I am. I am a Red Sox fan, yes, but there is a lot more to me. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:10:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Obama I thought it was a brilliant speech. I'm sure what the woman meant was it was the most important speech ABOUT RACE since Martin Luther King, Jr. There is no question that it was. Jerry > Alright, I will put my two cents in. I actually saw some of this > speech live on tv. I missed the beginning in which Obama condemned his > pastor's words but not the man himself. I was a little confused when I > tuned in since at the bottom of the screen it said, "Obama talks about > Rev. Wright, etc" and everything I was hearing at this point was yes, > race and whites/blacks, but also in the bigger picture what Obama always > talks about--hope, change, unity, etc etc. I thought this speech was > pretty consistent with everything else he has said. So I must admit I > was waiting for Obama to start talking about his pastor which he didn't > at that point. Of course, they then had people talk about the speech > on MSNBC and I had a conversation about it with the homecare health aid > who comes in to take care of my Mom a few hours a day (who also watched > the speech). So needless to say, I was filled on the details. > I have a few things to mention here. First off, right after the > speech, some lady on tv said this was "the most important speech since > Martin Luther King Jr." Come on now. Please. Let's not even try and > compare the two. MLK Jr. is MLK Jr. He was a great, great man...but not > by words alone...by action and the movement he started rolling. He > wasn't helping people while trying to get their vote... So let's move > on, shall we? > Secondly, overall as a regular speech, it was a good speech. As I > said, consistent with what Obama talks about and what he stands for. > However, his big problem (or could be big problem which we already see > on this list) is that he didn't denounce his Pastor completely. That > could very, very easily work against him and I can't blame anyone for > feeling strongly about that. The man (the pastor) is still a racist no > matter what amount of love he brings to people in church..or what he > does. If you say something racist, you're racist. It doesn't matter what > you do or what sort of a person you normally are. You're racist. > Simple as that. You could be a cop, a nurse, a doctor, a reverend, save > millions and millions of lives but if you say something racist, that > still makes you a racist (and personally you go down in my book...and > perhaps I avoid you as much as I can...I'm prejudiced against prejudiced > people you see). I think Obama made a mistake in trying to address > this whole Pastor debacle. > Last but not least, I find it a little strange that the man who is > so focused on words and a very good orator lets someone else's racist > words go by so freely. "Words don't matter?" Right? Obama's been the > guy who has been running his campaign on his speeches, his promises of > change, his "words" so to speak and he lets that go by. Hmm. > I don't think Obama himself is racist or anything like that. In > fact, I think it is all a but silly to be tied to anyone else's words or > actions other than your own. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to > "speak" for me or to have to answer for someone else because he/she is close > to me. But...as....sometimes people forget...this is a campaign and > he is a public servant now. > Ok I lied. I have one more thing to say. It was mentioned that > black people can play the race card and that whites have to be oh so > careful about what they say in order to not be considered racist. I agree > with that. A bit ago, Bill Clinton was in trouble for saying that > "black voters vote for Obama." That was considered racist (even though the > majority do so it is true). Also, could you imagine if white people > had "white history month?" People would be throwing KKK sheets at us! > -Monika > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Race, njc It is a political race... period. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:36:13 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC Obama From: "Em" > Every month is White History Month. A little less so in February. And they got the shortest month...sheeeit... Why is Obama considered black? He is half white. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:08:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Obama You would have him denounce the man who initiated him in his faith journey, thereby denouncing/diminishing his faith? You would have him denounce the clergyman who baptized his children and officiated his holy marriage? Do you have ANY IDEA what this would mean, and how THIS (as opposed to the eloquent & thoughtful way he dealt with this issue) would be used against him, Monika? Not having a spouse or children, do you realize the significance of what you would have him to do in terms of his family? This is definitely NOT a problem for him...in fact, it solves what WAS a problem, which was how to maintain his profile and momentum during a lull between the primaries, and to prove once again that whenever the politicos attack, he is more than ready to intelligently smother the flames. Far from a problem, I see this incident as an asset. News flash! I'm a racist, you're a racist, Vince is a racist, Barack and Hillary are both racists, Joni's a racist, in fact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA&feature=related Bob, looking forward to seeing Avenue Q in a couple months NP: Meshell, "Soul On Ice" (she's a MAJOR racist) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:23:14 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re:Avenue Q (njc) On Mar 19, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > > Bob, looking forward to seeing Avenue Q in a couple months > It would be fun to see that. We included "I'm not wearing underwear today" in our musical revue for a little comic relief. Half of what makes it so funny is that it is over so quickly. I'm glad I don't have rehearsals three times a week anymore but I am kind of missing the show a bit. But I have plenty to keep me busy. The Buffett songs are coming along really well and I'm working on learning some new jazz standards for some piano gigs. One of the jobs I'm waiting to hear back on will be really cool if it comes through. Victor NP: Dave Matthews "Let You Down" (DMB coming to Atlanta in July!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:27:40 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: NJC Obama I'm not one them there racists-----I just don't like anybody who doesn't think or look like me. And even if they do look like or think like me, there must be something wrong with them!! But really, Obama did right by that speech and it reinforces my belief that he is the correct choice. But mind you, he is just one man---if we all really want change, then we all have to get involve one way or another in our government. The political machinery and politcal culture is immense and very powerful--------and so is the POWER OF THE PEOPLE. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Monika Bogdanowicz" ; "Joni people!" Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: Re: NJC Obama > on this list) is that he didn't denounce his Pastor completely. > > > You would have him denounce the man who initiated him in his faith > journey, thereby denouncing/diminishing his faith? > You would have him denounce the clergyman who baptized his children and > officiated his holy marriage? > Do you have ANY IDEA what this would mean, and how THIS (as opposed to the > eloquent & thoughtful way he dealt with this issue) would be used against > him, Monika? Not having a spouse or children, do you realize the > significance of what you would have him to do in terms of his family? > > This is definitely NOT a problem for him...in fact, it solves what WAS a > problem, which was how to maintain his profile and momentum during a lull > between the primaries, and to prove once again that whenever the politicos > attack, he is more than ready to intelligently smother the flames. Far > from a problem, I see this incident as an asset. > > you do or what sort of a person you normally are. You're racist.> > > News flash! I'm a racist, you're a racist, Vince is a racist, Barack and > Hillary are both racists, Joni's a racist, in fact: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA&feature=related > > Bob, looking forward to seeing Avenue Q in a couple months > > NP: Meshell, "Soul On Ice" (she's a MAJOR racist) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > !DSPAM:144,47e19dbc214229552768751! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:00 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: NJC Obama On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > News flash! I'm a racist, you're a racist, Vince is a racist, Barack and > Hillary are both racists, Joni's a racist, Thanks Bob for blowing my cover. (Can I say "blowing" to a straight guy?) To make up for it, I do write letters to black people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1c25wJp48&feature=related ^^^^^^^^^ ALERT!!!!! vulgar, obscene, profane language intermixed with humor "not for everyone" that those who know me (not that anyone here "knows" me) have come (come?) to expect Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:09:49 +0900 From: "Jeffw" Subject: price_ 20-Mar-2008 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of new_price20-Mar-2008.zip] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:22 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: NJC Obama I'm completely, 100% Hillary, BUT...my best friend is gay and a Christian, and continues to attend a church whose pastor has said some hurtful anti-gay things, because her experience with the church is complex and has mostly been helpful and nurturing. *I've* gotten frustrated with her and suggested she leave, but she doesn't. What a hypocrite!!! Right?? And my husband (who I suspect is a closet Obama guy) wonders how many Christians denounce the subtle anti-semitism they routinely hear from the pulpit - especially at this time of year. At 07:08 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote: >on this list) is that he didn't denounce his Pastor completely. > > >You would have him denounce the man who initiated him in his faith >journey, thereby denouncing/diminishing his faith? > You would have him denounce the clergyman who baptized his > children and officiated his holy marriage? >Do you have ANY IDEA what this would mean, and how THIS (as opposed >to the eloquent & thoughtful way he dealt with this issue) would be >used against him, Monika? Not having a spouse or children, do you >realize the significance of what you would have him to do in terms >of his family? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:00:21 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: JMDL retrospective NJC Vince Lavieri wrote: > Actually the JMDL does quite well with political debates, in my opinion. > Some highlights: Columbine, the NATO action against Serbia in support of > Kosovo, the 2000 Presidential election, the post-2000 President election > period, September 11th, the invasion of Afghanistan (I was one of the few > against it), the 2002 elections, the invasion of Iraq, and the 2004 > elections. (We were strangly more quiet on the 2006 elections.) Some other > notable themes have been guns and gun control, rap music and my support > (support? adoration and hero worship!) of Eminem, whether Brokeback Mountain > was a good movie, Or we could talk about power About Jesus and Hitler and Howard Hughes Or Charlie Chaplin movies Or Bergman's nordic blues So, all of a sudden the past week, DJRD is, like, totally my new favorite Joni album. I've got a question. The kid on the back cover dressed like an indian. Is that who I think it might be? Talk To Me, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:18:00 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: JMDL retrospective NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Eoll" > - Steve Martin > (he was a comic), > David > Actually I never thought he was all that funny. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:23:22 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: njc antiSemitism and Holy Week/Easter Deb wrote in another thread: And my husband (who I suspect is a closet Obama guy) wonders how many > Christians denounce the subtle anti-semitism they routinely hear from > the pulpit - especially at this time of year. Wow. Thanks Deb! But -- subtle anti-semitism? Nothing subtle about it. Now there is a shame of the Church we address all too little. For those who are inclined, John Dominc Crossan's book Who Killed Christ? is of paramount interest here. The Gospels were unfortunately written in a post-fall of Jerusalem kiss-ass-with-Rome time period. The Passion narratives of John make me cringe. The easiest solution for me is to read it with taking all the references to "the Jews" out and replace it with "the people" or more specifically "the establishment entourage." Whatever the Passion story is about, it is not about Jews. Yet we cannot deny, indeed we must confess and beg forgiveness, that Holy Week has been a major factor in the creation and continuation of antiSemitism in the Church and society. In Russia, this was (maybe still is) prime pogram time. As a pastor, I can do things for the people that I serve to remove the anti semitic readings of the Passion and focus on Jesus' confrontation with Rome (power) and the forces of death. I cringe knowing that this is done too little in the Church. I thank Deb for raising the issue. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: obama njc - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > He did indeed condemn some of his pastor's > statements while, at the same > time, not going where he should have gone and that > was to completely wash > his hands of the man. That would have been un-Christian. What would Jesus do? He had a few words to say about political structures himself. Does this frenzy over a few statements made by Barack's CHRISTIAN minister mean that the rumor about Barack being a Muslim (Be Afraid!) is put to rest? > ... Anger? Hmmm. It is perfectly > accepted for blacks to be > angry. But whites, again with the silly color > coating descriptive terms of > human beings, can do nothing but accept that they > are somehow evil for all > the transgressions that have been perpetrated > against blacks. This is why I think you didn't hear what Barack had to say. Barack's aim is to help us ALL, black white brown beige and green, take responsibility for our actions and move forward together. It would be good if EVERYONE could discuss the issue without instant anger and high drama. > >> I commend Barack for openly tackling the subject > of > >> racism in all its complexity (including the anger > of > >> whites) even when people aren't ready to hear it. > It's > >> good to get the talking started, finally. > > --People have been talking since the beginning > Debra. Perhaps you weren't > listening. [Rolling my eyes so much at that it's downright noisy.] No, Mack, I listen too well most times. When's the last time a PUBLIC figure, a potential leader of this country, spoke about complex racial issues in a nationwide speech? And spoke about it in a calm "we, ALL OF US together, have to fix this for ALL OF US together to get ahead" way? Recognize our history but don't be burdened by it. Never. > Barack Obama is by no means the start > of anything in that > regard. He is no Martin Luther King, again, and > pales in comparison to the > true visionary, a truly great man. A couple of things come to mind... of course, Barack's no MLK and thank goodness for that since it's 40 years later! Why the comparison? Barack is a visionary who can help take us beyond what MLK was able to do, or needed to do. Laws had to be changed 40 years ago, and the people in charge (and, yes, that would be "status quo's just fine with me" white people) had to be forced to change those laws. MLK was instrumental in doing that. The situation is different now, not as clearcut. These times require a different kind of visionary, not a new Martin Luther King, Jr. And secondly, I wonder how many people who are so impressed by Dr. King NOW would have been so impressed at the time when he was shaking things up. My thinking is that if lots of people had been impressed THEN there would not have been firehosings, beatings, killings, marches, mass humilation... right? Just a thought. Lots of things are easy at a distance. And sometimes it's hard to see greatness when it's up close. It can be scary. > or by instantly condeming anyone > >> who talks about it. > > --I assume this comment is directed at me. Yes, in part, although lots of people are uncomfortable with talk about racial issues. You've so instantly and thoroughly condemned Barack you haven't heard what he's said. > Let's get one thing clear. I think we all want the > same thing. I think we > have the same vision. ... I'm not so sure we all want the same thing. Or that we all have the same vision. But that's a discussion for another time. I've digressed enough. > ... We simply don't agree as to > the vision, the motives, > or the actions of this man. Do you think all your anger in this email is just about Barack??? Maybe so, but I doubt it. It's too intense. Republicans have won lots of elections by exploiting the anger you've expressed here. I hope it doesn't work for them this time. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:34:16 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: a heckler NJC Tough room. Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Eoll" > >> - Steve Martin >> (he was a comic), >> David >> > > Actually I never thought he was all that funny. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:33:51 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: 80s music now 90s and beyond njc > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: 80s music now 90s and beyond njc > > Defending the 90's is a cinch, which imo were head & shoulders above the 80's (corrected) Absolutely. The musical malaise was defintely over. The buckets of hairspray and the pastel clothes were gone, too. > Bob, who doesn't buy into the BS that "all the good music came out in the 60's & 70's"... Personally, I've never said that. I just happen to prefer alot of music from that era, but that's just my taste. I also like the black jelly beans the best. The others I don't much care for. Doesn't mean they're not as good, I just don't personally like 'em as much. So y'all keep leaving the black ones for me and we'll all be happy. Mmmm... jelly beans, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:03:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: obama njc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU I was very impressed with his speech. First, I am impressed that he chose to give it, second that he wrote it himself (many candidates do not), & of then I am impressed with the speech itself. Obama continues to strike me as someone with incredible integrity & courage & a very deep intelligence. His mind is that of an alchemist. He took the politically risky road, addressed a very difficult subject honestly while reaching for inspiration. BTW, I think many who have criticized Obama don't really GET how much of that speech was aimed towards those who like his pastor, have deep seated anger about the past. He was challenging them to move forward & away from that anger. I am continually amazed by many of his viewpoints because many are ones I've held dearly inside my heart for a long time. I just never ever expected anyone running for president of this country to address some of the ideas that he does in the way he does. God, if only we'd had the kind of leadership following 9/11 that said it is imperative to address the root of anger! Instead of the toddler cartoon viewpoint of the world as good guys vs evil guys. In his speech I heard him continually denounce his pastors viewpoints but not the man. That is the deepest wisdom. If each person could embrace that view, wow, what a place this world would be. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:59:02 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: obama njc > It would be good if EVERYONE could discuss the issue > without instant anger and high drama. Ditto > > [Rolling my eyes so much at that it's downright > noisy.] Ditto . . I've digressed enough. Ditto . > Do you think all your anger in this email is just > about Barack??? > > Maybe so, but I doubt it. It's too intense. Didn't say it was and wrote about the anger. Very interesting that here at the good ole JMDL that I write a post about a political candidate and get personal insults for it. But I expected it. Anyone that stays here knows that to differ from the party line of the JMDL will make them fodder for such. Ask Kakki. That's okay, I can take it. Last words on this subject so take your swipes folks and enjoy. lol mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:24:53 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: obama njc > In his speech I heard him continually denounce his pastors viewpoints but > not the man. That is the deepest wisdom. If each person could embrace > that > view, wow, what a place this world would be. > > Kate Kate, impressive post. And very thought provoking. Thank You. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:37:20 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: joni, the muse I keep getting drawn back to this picture that I linked to the other day in a post: http://tinyurl.com/2lzztn And I just find it remarkable. Joni is often referred to as "a musician's musician", evidenced by jazz genius Herbie Hancock's recent tribute to her music. And here we have visual evidence of the same. Joni serenading two of the biggest guys in rock music in the late 60s. Clapton in particular was almost universally acknowledged as one of the best rock/blues guitar players then. And he is obviously mesmerized by her. Okay, maybe its the acid, but still, he's totally digging her. Wishing I was EC right there, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: obama njc - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Very interesting that here at the good ole JMDL that > I write a post about a > political candidate and get personal insults for it. > But I expected it. > Anyone that stays here knows that to differ from the > party line of the JMDL > will make them fodder for such. Ask Kakki. That's > okay, I can take it. > Last words on this subject so take your swipes folks > and enjoy. lol Jeez, personal insults? Such martyrdom! LOL My mistake was to think you were interested in conversation when you really just wanted to hatefully rant. Hope ya feel better now. Debra ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Obama Hey there Bob. Let me clarify what I meant by "his big problem is that he didn't denounce his Pastor completely." I'll address what a few said in this post here. I feel the need to clarify as many things get lost on the net because you don't clearly explain something...face to face you would have known what I meant. When I said his problem was not denouncing his Pastor completely I meant his problem POLITICALLY, as was shown here on the JMDL (one person already turning away from Obama). I think he went a little too far politically by going on about the Pastor being his family and friend. If Obama would have just said I don't agree with what Wright said and his views and left it at that, he would have been in the clear. But by making that dive, this can be used against him or more importantly, this is something that will turn some people off, as seen here on our very own list. Now do I personally care that he didn't denounce the man completely? Nah. I'm still not batting team Obama but I don't hate the man nor did this speech do anything to change my opinion either way. As I had said, it is all very silly to be tied to someone else's words. Would I want him to completely avoid his own Pastor? Nah. I don't personally, individually care but the point I was making was that politically, it was a tad bit too far. As for Victor's comment about him liking the Red Sox but that not defining him, well racism and Red Sox are two completely different principles. No matter what you are, who you like, what kind of work you do, if you say something racist, then you're racist. Is it the worst possible thing in the world to be? No, the majority of people who are racist are simply ignorant but harmless individuals who may have been raised a certain way but are nowhere near killing a black man or a Jewish person or anyone for their race or religion. But no matter what, you say something racist, then you're racist...and you can't hold on to the injustice of the past as an excuse for your racism. You shouldn't be angry with the white people of today because of past wrongs. That doesn't give you a free pass. You only make things worse then by indulging in such thoughts and feelings. I mean, I'm not angry at Germans today scolding them because they killed "my" people and nearly demolished the country I was born in (speaking of Poland here where I was born) during WWII. You know what I mean? But all in all, I don't care that Obama didn't denounce his Pastor. I just think he made a little "booboo" in addressing it this way politically speaking. -Monika Bob Muller wrote: on this list) is that he didn't denounce his Pastor completely. > You would have him denounce the man who initiated him in his faith journey, thereby denouncing/diminishing his faith? You would have him denounce the clergyman who baptized his children and officiated his holy marriage? Do you have ANY IDEA what this would mean, and how THIS (as opposed to the eloquent & thoughtful way he dealt with this issue) would be used against him, Monika? Not having a spouse or children, do you realize the significance of what you would have him to do in terms of his family? This is definitely NOT a problem for him...in fact, it solves what WAS a problem, which was how to maintain his profile and momentum during a lull between the primaries, and to prove once again that whenever the politicos attack, he is more than ready to intelligently smother the flames. Far from a problem, I see this incident as an asset. you do or what sort of a person you normally are. You're racist.> News flash! I'm a racist, you're a racist, Vince is a racist, Barack and Hillary are both racists, Joni's a racist, in fact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA&feature=related Bob, looking forward to seeing Avenue Q in a couple months NP: Meshell, "Soul On Ice" (she's a MAJOR racist) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: joni, the muse Even the baby is mesmerized! I'm only kidding but in all seriousness, Joni is very much a musician's musician. I think I have read somewhere that during that hangout time (whatever you want to call it) Eric Clapton was very much concentrating on what Joni was doing--watching her fingers trying to figure out what she was doing. Yeah, Eric Clapton trying to figure out what Joni was doing on guitar! I've got to say all those late 60's days of Joni hanging out with _______ (fill in the blank) seemed like they would have been a good time. Whenever I read about the little "community" they had back in that day (Laurel Canyon and all) I'm a little envious I'm not a part of a little community myself. It just isn't the same nowdays I would imagine. -M David Eoll wrote: I keep getting drawn back to this picture that I linked to the other day in a post: http://tinyurl.com/2lzztn And I just find it remarkable. Joni is often referred to as "a musician's musician", evidenced by jazz genius Herbie Hancock's recent tribute to her music. And here we have visual evidence of the same. Joni serenading two of the biggest guys in rock music in the late 60s. Clapton in particular was almost universally acknowledged as one of the best rock/blues guitar players then. And he is obviously mesmerized by her. Okay, maybe its the acid, but still, he's totally digging her. Wishing I was EC right there, David - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:03:04 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: JMDL retrospective NJC From: "David Eoll" > So, all of a sudden the past week, DJRD is, like, totally my new > favorite Joni album. I've got a question. The kid on the back cover > dressed like an indian. Is that who I think it might be? Yep. Steve Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Fwd: the brain, njc Hello Mack, Fellow Texan/JMDLer, I'm forwarding this link Laura sent us a few days ago. I'm sending it to you since you mentioned something Laura Stanley wrote: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: the brain, njc To: joni@smoe.org CC: treegreen1@hotmail.com Hi Ya'll, I'm teaching neuroscience to the med students this term, and one of my students emailed this link to me and the class. It is really good for seeing how we need both hemispheres of our brains to be who we are, BOTH a connected and separate being with the universe. It also shows how our society and world could use us in our right hemisphere a little more. It is the integration of both hemispheres that probably results in geniuses like Joni. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/229 Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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