From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #610 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 18 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 610 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Wage and gas (njc) [] NJC Gas prices [Lucy Hone ] Re: 80s music njc [Lucy Hone ] Re: The tenement castle [scrifton@cogeco.ca] Re: The Tenement Castle [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: 80s music njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Previous elections [Laura Stanley ] The Seeding of Summer Lawns, P.S. about vigils tomorrow [Patti Parlette <] Re: The Tenement Castle [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: 80s music njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 80s music njc [Lucy Hone ] Re: 80s music njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: 80s music njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: 80s music njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: 80s music njc [Catherine McKay ] NJC Gas prices [Patti Parlette ] Re: 80s music njc [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: 80s music njc [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: 80s music njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: NJC Gas prices [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Austin Music Awards ["Happy The Man" ] obama njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: 80s music njc [Lucy Hone ] Re: obama njc [Em ] Re: obama njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Mingus' Autobiography ["Randy Remote" ] find the cost of petrol NJC [Mags ] RE: NJC Previous elections ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] elton & clinton (NJC) ["Barbara Stewart" ] Re: obama njc ["Cassy" ] Re: NJC Gas prices ["Lori Fye" ] NJC/ One last thing...check this out y'all [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:37:16 -0700 From: Subject: Wage and gas (njc) California minimum wage is $8.00 an hour. The current lowest price of gas in L.A. is $3.39 a gallon regular (ARCO stations have had the lowest prices around here for awhile) going to a high of $3.89 regular at the 76 stations near the film studios (Hmmm.) Current time and temperature is 55 degrees at 12:36 a.m. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:11:52 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: NJC Gas prices We are paying the equivalent of $9 for a gallon here $2.40 a litre....in the UK. I have always been thrilled in the US and Canada to filll up my car at a less than half the price I pay here!. It is a massive cost and mostly tax. In my last job I used #55 a week ($110) to get to work and back... Those of you coming to Fest be warned about fuel costs and please factor it in... Love and hugs Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:18:39 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: 80s music njc JOe JAckson was a really good mate of my late ex husband. Joe is a local man and is such a lovely guy. I met him a few times and he is such a brilliant pianist. He still has a house near mine which a friend of mine lives in when Joe is on tour or living in Berlin, which he does a lot. "Is she really going out with him", was written, apparently, about another guy I know who went out with a girl Joe had wanted to date! He is an astonishing talent. My favourite song of his is "The man who wrote Danny Boy" It is one of the most spine tingling songs about creativity and madness. Lucy - living in a Frank-less world, sadly Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:16:00 -0700 From: Subject: Re: 80s music njc Bob, Thanks for the rec on the new Joe Jackson. It's so funny - back in the day before the internet and JMDL I felt like I was the only Joe Jackson fan I knew LOL. Also funny, is I was trying to think of the other group I loved in the 80s - it was X something but I couldn't remember till I saw your post and XTC! Ha! Then I forgot to include two of my top five of the 80s - the Bangles and Marshall Crenshaw! Think I'll dig some stuff out of my 80s CD drawer tonight ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 06:18:05 -0400 From: scrifton@cogeco.ca Subject: Re: The tenement castle The building is located at 100 W. Ferry St. in Detroit, although I don't know which apartment Joni lived in. (I have a cousin who lives nearby.) Here's a link to a photo of the building: http://campusvillagemanagement.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=51 Coleen On 17-Mar-08, at 11:04 PM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/15/08 2:02:48 AM, owner-onlyjoni- > digest@smoe.org writes: > > >>> Thanks, everyJonibody. Chuck. But of course! >>> >>> ... And >>> "tenement castle" -- LOL Bob! >>> Sitting there with their reel to reel... >> >> Yes, Joni and her king in their tenement castle in >> Chelsea NYC. The neighborhood still has some of those >> old apartments -- not much floor space, tall ceilings >> and big huge windows with wooden frames that rattle in >> the winter from the wind coming through. >> > Now, if somebody could find out where that tenement was, I'd love > to go > over to Manhattan and track it down/take some photos (like Mandolin > Bros.) > Anyone have any ideas? > > Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:07:06 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tenement Castle Hi Kenny, Joni lived in the Chelsea district. I knew I had read this somewhere on JoniMitchell.com. There is a photograph of the old brownstone. _http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1369_ (http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1369) Rosie **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:21:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 80s music njc - --- Lucy Hone wrote: > JOe JAckson was a really good mate of my late ex > husband. Joe is a local man and is such a lovely > guy. I met him a few times and he is such a > brilliant pianist. He still has a house near mine > which a friend of mine lives in when Joe is on tour > or living in Berlin, which he does a lot. > I love Joe Jackson. He's not a really prolific writer compared to some, but when he does his older songs, he always reinvents them. His book, "A cure for gravity" is well worth the read. You can read the intro on his website at http://www.joejackson.com/writings.php. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: NJC Previous elections Kate wrote: Monika, I think the anger you are hearing is misplaced. I think it is the anger of people frustrated with their lives & what is becoming of their country- with gas going up, medical care unaffordable, jobs scarce, houses going into foreclosure, kids dying overseas for what?!?!, etc. Hi Kate, I agree, the anger towards Hillary comes from places that don't belong to her. Unfortunately, the Obama campaign is taking advantage of it by painting Hillary in with the group that IS responsible... namely those who have been running Washington for about the past 8 years. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:39:10 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: The Seeding of Summer Lawns, P.S. about vigils tomorrow Hi Loves: I don't know if I have got a thing that's unique and new (probably not), but I'm sharing it just in case: http://www.waxy.org/archive/2008/02/29/joni_mit.shtml Okay, I'm hopping back up on the peace train. One-track/clickety clack mind today. Still lots to do for the vigils tomorrow: arrange a party for the press, make signs & banners in this manner, go bring your good friends too, and YKTMBM (Joni-speak for "etc.")! Love, Patti P. P.S. Find a vigil near you: http://www.5yearstoomany.org/article.php?list=type&type=5 (650 at that site) or moveon.org (861 at this one) _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:22:32 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: The Tenement Castle In a message dated 3/18/08 6:07:06 AM, RoseMJoy writes: > Hi Kenny, > Joni lived in the Chelsea district. I knew I had read this somewhere on > JoniMitchell.com. There is a photograph of the old brownstone. > http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1369 > > Rosie > > Hi, Rose, Thanks a bunch for that info; I'm planning on going into the city this weekend and I will visit 41 W 16th Street & see if it's still there... they may have "paved paradise and put up a parking lot" (or condos) by now. I've also walked by The Bitter End many times over the years (on Bleeker Steet) but don't remember seeing The Tin Angel. I think The Bitter End building is still there but I think the venue is gone... I'll check that out as well. I'll report back with photos. Hopefully, some of the "Joni Connections" are still there. Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:30:20 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 80s music njc Very cool that you have that connection with him, Lulu. Lots & lots of favorite JJ songs, maybe I should just list the ones I'm NOT crazy about as it would be a short list. But my favoritist of the favorites would be: One to One Enough Is Not Enough Look Sharp One More Time Friday It's Different For Girls Cancer A Slow Song The entire "Jumpin' Jive" album (and yes I know that they're not HIS songs) Cosmopolitan Memphis his take on "'Round Midnight" on a Monk trib Be My Number Two You Can't Get What You Want (til You Know What You Want) Happy Ending Tonight and Forever Right and Wrong Rant and Rave Obvious Song Drowning the whole "Summer In The City" live album - with a Steely Dan cover - yippee!! Invisible Man The Uptown Train (his salute to Ramsey Lewis) A Place In the Rain I haven't picked up "Volume 4" yet - will have to rectify that soon. Bob NP: Nellie McKay, "The Big One" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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When you are married to someone who is so wrapped up in music you lose probably 80% of the people you knew, when you leave them.. when Nick and I divorced a lot of stuff he had given to me as presents got taken back.... and Joe's signed albums were in that pile, and now they are lost to me, since his widow has all the albums that were in his possession at his death. I am such a bad person for not being a committed fan of any one artist. But I saw "the man who wroteDanny Boy" performed on the stage at Portsmouth and it was the first time I had heard it. The female soloist came out of the shadows to sing and then stepped back again and it made my flesh goosey. The percussion was amazing, completely amazing around the whole concert. Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > > > Very cool that you have that connection with him, Lulu. Lots & lots of > favorite JJ songs, maybe I should just list the ones I'm NOT crazy > about as it would be a short list. But my favoritist of the favorites > would be: > > One to One > Enough Is Not Enough > Look Sharp > One More Time > Friday > It's Different For Girls > Cancer > A Slow Song > The entire "Jumpin' Jive" album (and yes I know that they're not HIS > songs) > Cosmopolitan > Memphis > his take on "'Round Midnight" on a Monk trib > Be My Number Two > You Can't Get What You Want (til You Know What You Want) > Happy Ending > Tonight and Forever > Right and Wrong > Rant and Rave > Obvious Song > Drowning > the whole "Summer In The City" live album - with a Steely Dan cover - > yippee!! > Invisible Man > The Uptown Train (his salute to Ramsey Lewis) > A Place In the Rain > > I haven't picked up "Volume 4" yet - will have to rectify that soon. > > Bob > > NP: Nellie McKay, "The Big One" > >------------------------------------------------------------ >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >this message is prohibited. 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Bob NP: Nada Surf, "I Like What You Say" (Lucy, I know you have dug these guys in the past, they're latest one is also quite tasty) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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In the midst of some truly AWFUL performances (Eric > Andersen, Jane Siberry at the top of the list in that department) Joe and > Joy shone like a bright jewel. > > Bob > > NP: Nada Surf, "I Like What You Say" (Lucy, I know you have dug these guys > in the past, they're latest one is also quite tasty) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:11:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: 80s music njc Did anyone mention Rickie Lee Jones? She put out quite a few good albums during the 80's. Kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: 80s music njc - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > His book, "A cure for gravity" is well worth the > read. > You can read the intro on his website at > http://www.joejackson.com/writings.php. He also has an, erm, interesting perspective on smoking which could stir up the old debate for them what's interested. But I'm not going there again. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:56:14 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC Gas prices Meanwhile, Exxon will make 128 MILLION dollars today, tomorrow, Wednesday, etc. And we have an ex-oilman and his oil cronies running the country and setting energy policy. Wow, what a coincidence. *** Quelle coincidence indeed, Bob. Shine on lousy leadership, all about money money money money. And the "have-mores" even get tax breaks to further break *our* backs. Those guys at the gas pumps (oil companies and BushCo) they don't got a lot of soul. They sing Merry Christmas to you just like the Grinch! I paid $3.31 the other day, but I am more concerned about the human cost. I'm looking at the picture of Deb M's sign that is on my office door: "How many lives per gallon?" I don't think even Moni or Ray's dad could do THAT math. Peace, Patti P.S. We're in for more rain. Merde! I could sure use you some sunshine on my peace parade. It seems such a shame! _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:22:13 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: 80s music njc -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > > Very cool that you have that connection with him, Lulu. Lots & lots of > favorite JJ songs, maybe I should just list the ones I'm NOT crazy about > as it would be a short list. But my favoritist of the favorites would be: I'm still learning about Joe Jackson but I have to say I have always loved the song, Steppin' Out. There's something about it I just love. Yes, I know it's one of his biggest hits and there are probably scores of other songs that are better but you have to start somewhere. As for the music that got me through the '80's it was largely Rush - Moving Pictures, Exit Stage Left, Signals, Grace Under Pressure, and Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Somewhere in Time, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. The eighties was definitely the creative peak for Maiden. I saw them three times and they always put on incredible, entertaining and energetic shows. I also saw U2 on Unforgettable Fire and they put on an unforgettable show. I didn't really start listening to Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, CSN, Van Morrison, Dead, Bob Marley until 87-88. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:23:36 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: 80s music njc -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Catherine McKay > He also has an, erm, interesting perspective on > smoking which could stir up the old debate for them > what's interested. But I'm not going there again. I thought about mentioning that essay ( for about 10 seconds) and then thought better of it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: 80s music njc Thank you, both. waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Catherine McKay >> He also has an, erm, interesting perspective on >> smoking which could stir up the old debate for them >> what's interested. But I'm not going there again. > > > I thought about mentioning that essay ( for about 10 seconds) and then > thought better of it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:57:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices LOL - Patti, only you can take a lament on gas prices, add a Joni spin to it and make me laugh and shake my head in amazement. You are quite a special one, you are. Here's a photo and articla about the vigil held in Greenville Sunday: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008803170314 Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Human Hands" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Gordie Johnson; A Cup of Cold Poison, Grady 10. Gurf Morlix; Diamonds to Dust; Gurf Morlix NP: Rest and Relaxation as storms are coming through and surviving those late night SXSW shows. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:17:47 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: obama njc I am thoroughly disgusted with this man after this speech. He spent most of the speech either defending reverse racism and his so-called man of God. He is of the crowd that believes worship is about man, them. Worship is for God, nothing else. Anyone that says or writes differently hasn't read their Bible too closely. He had no problem saying that he would 'cringe' when his white grandmother made statements that he found distasteful (about blacks). He never once came close to using any words similar when discussing his pastor, obviously a man full of hate and the devil. Barack Obama is a racist, in sheep's clothing. I had no problem supporting him before this speech. If left with a choice of him or a Republican, I'll do a write-in. He had an obligation to completely disavow this pastor person. He refused to do so. Perhaps ok if he were running for city councilman. He is running for President of the United States. And to lie, which he did, that he didn't know the pastor had these views makes him a liar, clearly. Until we have the sense to realize that we are all people and not a color, we are stuck with this ignorance and it makes me very sad. This man is not the future of this country. This man is no Martin Luther King. Today instead of qualming the fire, he stoked it. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:52:07 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: 80s music njc 80's was, for me, Phil Collins, Genesis, Japan (Still life in Mobile Homes and Visions of China were amazing songs) Tom Waits - Blue Valentines, and Heartattack and Vine albums. Rush (coming in late but getting them in retrospect Permenant Waves, Hemispheres, 2112, Farewell to Kings and seeing them at Wembley for the Moving Pictures Tour --- brilliant brilliant brilliant. Roxy Music (particularly Flesh and Blood and Avalon) Clannad, Jon and Vangelis, Bits of Joni, James Taylor, Jackson Browne - The Pretender is still my fave album of his. - Joe Jackson Michael Jackson (bit of a theme going on here) Van Morrison - probably spent a lot of time listening to my old stuff as I don't think I bought any in the 80's but I know I listened to him a lot... particularly Veedon Fleece which I know is 1974 Paul Young Annie Lennox /Tourists XTC Tears for Fears although they might have been early 90's Barbara Dixon - Scottish singer - lovely voice Abba also... I loved and "the Winner takes it all" is perhaps one of the best, along with "the Day before you came" Some of these, Joni, James, Genesis were all carry throughs but I did not buy any Joni. It was just my old collection and I had no idea she was still going along doing her thing. God what a ramble that has been. A lot of my time in the 80's was spent learnign all the words and songs of Nick's blues set he did with his band and it became quite tiring HAVING to listen to things because they needed to be learned. What a blast waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > > >> >> >>Very cool that you have that connection with him, Lulu. Lots & lots of >>favorite JJ songs, maybe I should just list the ones I'm NOT crazy about >>as it would be a short list. But my favoritist of the favorites would be: >> >> > > >I'm still learning about Joe Jackson but I have to say I have always loved the song, Steppin' Out. There's something about it I just love. Yes, I know it's one of his biggest hits and there are probably scores of other songs that are better but you have to start somewhere. > >As for the music that got me through the '80's it was largely Rush - Moving Pictures, Exit Stage Left, Signals, Grace Under Pressure, and Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Somewhere in Time, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. The eighties was definitely the creative peak for Maiden. I saw them three times and they always put on incredible, entertaining and energetic shows. I also saw U2 on Unforgettable Fire and they put on an unforgettable show. > >I didn't really start listening to Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, CSN, Van Morrison, Dead, Bob Marley until 87-88. > >Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: obama njc what a pile of crap. Mack I usually am right there with you on your posts. This is way "out there". Fear and loathing for the new millenium. grrrrrrrrrrr........ :( Em - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > I am thoroughly disgusted with this man after this speech. He spent > most of > the speech either defending reverse racism and his so-called man of > God. He > is of the crowd that believes worship is about man, them. Worship is > for God, > nothing else. Anyone that says or writes differently hasn't read > their Bible > too closely. He had no problem saying that he would 'cringe' when > his white > grandmother made statements that he found distasteful (about blacks). > He > never once came close to using any words similar when discussing his > pastor, > obviously a man full of hate and the devil. Barack Obama is a > racist, in > sheep's clothing. I had no problem supporting him before this > speech. If > left with a choice of him or a Republican, I'll do a write-in. He > had an > obligation to completely disavow this pastor person. He refused to > do so. > Perhaps ok if he were running for city councilman. He is running for > President of the United States. And to lie, which he did, that he > didn't know > the pastor had these views makes him a liar, clearly. > > Until we have the sense to realize that we are all people and not a > color, we > are stuck with this ignorance and it makes me very sad. This man is > not the > future of this country. This man is no Martin Luther King. Today > instead of > qualming the fire, he stoked it. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:28:38 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: obama njc > what a pile of crap. > Mack I usually am right there with you on your posts. > This is way "out there". > Fear and loathing for the new millenium. > grrrrrrrrrrr........ > :( > Em > - -- How very lucky for me then that I am not looking for approval, validation, or to win your or anyone else's vote. Your opinion is yours, mine is mine. However, I have read many of yours and have never called any of them 'a pile of crap' although I might have found them so. 'their gonna aim the hoses on you' which I was aware of when I wrote this post. 'if you're feeling contempt, jesus well then you yell it.' 'strike every chord that you feel.' Your reaction to this post tells on you, not me. And so it goes. Perhaps I'm wrong, then again perhaps I'm not. mack - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > >> I am thoroughly disgusted with this man after this speech. He spent >> most of >> the speech either defending reverse racism and his so-called man of >> God. He >> is of the crowd that believes worship is about man, them. Worship is >> for God, >> nothing else. Anyone that says or writes differently hasn't read >> their Bible >> too closely. He had no problem saying that he would 'cringe' when >> his white >> grandmother made statements that he found distasteful (about blacks). >> He >> never once came close to using any words similar when discussing his >> pastor, >> obviously a man full of hate and the devil. Barack Obama is a >> racist, in >> sheep's clothing. I had no problem supporting him before this >> speech. If >> left with a choice of him or a Republican, I'll do a write-in. He >> had an >> obligation to completely disavow this pastor person. He refused to >> do so. >> Perhaps ok if he were running for city councilman. He is running for >> President of the United States. And to lie, which he did, that he >> didn't know >> the pastor had these views makes him a liar, clearly. >> >> Until we have the sense to realize that we are all people and not a >> color, we >> are stuck with this ignorance and it makes me very sad. This man is >> not the >> future of this country. This man is no Martin Luther King. Today >> instead of >> qualming the fire, he stoked it. >> >> mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:06:29 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Mingus' Autobiography I don't know if this has been discussed before- I just finished Charles Mingus' autobiography, "Beneath The Underdog". It was pretty weird (and that's coming from me)...not a whole lot about his music, his sexual exploits being topic number one. Some of it is downright pornographic. So I don't know if I would recommend this book, still I'm glad I read it, since it was very different, experimental, and thought provoking. Has anyone else read this? Of special interest to Joniheads are the opening pages, where he is talking to his shrink. Anyone familiar with the Mingus album will immediately recognize the words. 1 "In other words, I am three. One man stands forever in the middle, unconcerned, unmoved, watching, waiting to be allowed to express what he sees to the other two. The second man is like a frightened animal that attacks for fear of being attacked. Then there's an over- loving gentle person who lets people into the uttermost sacred temple of his being and he'll take insults and be trusting and sign contracts without reading them and get talked down to working cheap or for nothing, and when he realizes what's been done to him he feels like killing and destroying everything around him including himself for being so stupid. But he can't-he goes back inside himself." "Which one is real?" "They're all real." "The man who watches and waits, the man who attacks because he's afraid, and the man who wants to trust and love but retreats each time he finds himself betrayed. Mingus One, Two and Three. Which is the image you want the world to see?" "What do I care what the world sees, I'm only trying to find out how I should feel about myself. I can't change the fact that they're all against me-that they don't want me to be a success" .....(a few paragraphs later)..... "Man, you're crazy! I'm gonna save you." "You're not trained to save, I am." "I can save you. Do you believe in God?" "Yes." "As a boogie man?" RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: find the cost of petrol NJC the last time i filled up with regular petrol, it was $113.00 a litre. I don't know what that translates in comparison to other countries. Im not sure it is relevant to say that I pay this much here in Winnipeg, but whoa, look at the UK or NZ. If our cost of living was on a level playing field, then perhaps it might make sense. Or, I might be off base here, still fogg brained from the illness i've now been struggling with for over two weeks. (grr) here's a little chart with some of the different prices of petrol around town. i think this is for regular . http://www.winnipeggasprices.com/ we canadians have our own issues with war, and this morning i learned that a dear friend has lost one of his best mates in the afghani war. i'll leave the expletives out. as my friend said, we need to end this war NOW. Mags - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:56:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: NJC Previous elections On talk radio, there's a lot of talk about *which* states Obama won. If I understand the talk correctly, he won lots of delegates in states which will deliver a Republican win in November. It sounds like, err... bluster to me. Maybe this line of thought came from Clinton's campaign, to imply Obama can't win in November. Ironically, the right wing talk shows are saying that McCain won many of his delegates in states that will deliver a Democrat as the state's winner in November. They say the conservatives split their votes among candidates who dropped out, and now they are stuck with McCain. I'm pretty sure that each party makes up their own rules for primaries. If either of these claims are true, I don't understand why the party involved would give more delegates to states that they can't deliver. Interesting thread, though. Jim L. Laura said, > I found the following written by his campaign manager revealing of what are in my opinion are manipulative tactics being used in the Obama campaign: "When we won Iowa, the Clinton campaign said it's not the number of states you win, it's "a contest for delegates." When we won a significant lead in delegates, they said it's really about which states you win." If you map out what is said here logically, it doesn't follow. The words "number" and "which" are not equivalent.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:01:37 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: elton & clinton (NJC) Oooooo-Eeeeewwww! Elton John doing an April 9 fundraising concert for Hilary Clinton (with 'herself' onstage!) here in NYC! Now - what's his US immigration status???? I am warned at Immigration every year that, not only can I not vote, but if I am involved in 'political' or electoral activity or donate funds, etc, I am subject to revocation of my work permit and NAFTA visa, even after 15 years of paying taxes here. Don't the same regulations pertain to UK citizens here??? Sad ,bad move Elton! Remember Bill retreated on gay rights in the armed forces and invented the "don't ask, don't tell" hypocrisy! B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:27:21 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: 80s music njc One band from the 80's I always enjoyed was Toto. I know they were around in the late 70's but I really dug their 80's efforts a lot. I have to completely agree with Joe Jackson and Elvis Costello along with, in no particular order, Bob Seger (who I used to go and see for $1.00 at a local high school on Friday nights in the 70's), John Mellencamp, The Pointer Sisters, Journey, Styx, Talking Heads, Gloria Estefan, Prince, Foreigner, Van Halen, George Michael and so many more I had eclectic taste even back then and enjoyed everything from Metalllica to Peter Gabriel. The 80's are also when I got into Jazz pretty heavily with Shadowfax, Steps Ahead, Pat Metheny & Dave Holland. Even though I still like some of the artists I listened to back then, I'm not stuck in a time warp. Cassy From: "Victor Johnson" > Joe Jackson > Elvis Costello > Tom Petty > The Cure > Level 42 > Wang Chung > Ambrosia > Bruce Hornsby > Julian Lennon > Steve Winwood > U2 > Romantics > The Smithereens > Dan Fogelberg > Bobby Caldwell > Eurythmics/Annie Lenox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:31:31 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: obama njc Which speech are you talking about Mack? I guess I missed it. Cassy From: "mack watson-bush" >I am thoroughly disgusted with this man after this speech. He spent most >of > the speech either defending reverse racism and his so-called man of God. > He > is of the crowd that believes worship is about man, them. Worship is for > God, > nothing else. Anyone that says or writes differently hasn't read their > Bible > too closely. He had no problem saying that he would 'cringe' when his > white > grandmother made statements that he found distasteful (about blacks). He > never once came close to using any words similar when discussing his > pastor, > obviously a man full of hate and the devil. Barack Obama is a racist, in > sheep's clothing. I had no problem supporting him before this speech. If > left with a choice of him or a Republican, I'll do a write-in. He had an > obligation to completely disavow this pastor person. He refused to do so. > Perhaps ok if he were running for city councilman. He is running for > President of the United States. And to lie, which he did, that he didn't > know > the pastor had these views makes him a liar, clearly. > > Until we have the sense to realize that we are all people and not a color, > we > are stuck with this ignorance and it makes me very sad. This man is not > the > future of this country. This man is no Martin Luther King. Today > instead of > qualming the fire, he stoked it. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:44:09 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Gas prices $3.57 in Santa Rosa, near where I live. (More near downtown.) We have it so good in the U.S., but all we do is complain. Poor us. (NOT.) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: NJC/ One last thing...check this out y'all Texans are the rowdiest, hot-doggitty 'yes-we-can' crowds rooting for Obama, y'all!! Coolness, supreme if I must say so myself.... "Alive, alive, I wanna get up and jive--I'm gonna wreck my stocking in a juke box dive" ~~JM~~ Cheers, Jeannie doin' the Barack Obama juke box dive now with my youngest sister. "skippity-da-do-da-deh-oh." :) Barack Obama wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:36:00 -0500 To: Jeannie Kabirpour From: Barack Obama Subject: One last thing... Jeannie -- I wanted to get in touch with you one last time before tomorrow's election. We've had a long journey together in Texas. For more than a year, you have been dedicated to the idea that when ordinary people come together, we can do extraordinary things. Our team put together a special video of our grassroots movement in Texas -- check it out, and share it with anyone who might still be undecided: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX It's been inspiring to see the turnout at our events, and it strengthens my faith that the American people -- not just here in Texas, but across the country -- are ready to stop settling for what the cynics tell us we must accept and start reaching for what's possible. Tomorrow's our chance to make history. But the election is going to be close, and it's vitally important that you vote and bring your family and friends to vote with you. Find your polling location -- and be sure to vote tomorrow and then caucus at 7:00 p.m.: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX When Michelle and I talked about my running for president, one of the core goals we both had for this campaign was to leave the political process better off than we found it. That's just what you've done in Texas. You have shaken the political status quo and built a grassroots movement that is sweeping this country. If you vote and caucus tomorrow -- and bring others to vote and caucus too -- our movement will continue to grow. The world will know that Texas stood up for a different kind of politics. And real change will be within reach. Find your polling location: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX Let's bring real change tomorrow, Barack P.S. -- We've put together a list of frequently asked questions about the Texas primary and caucus. Have a look right now so you know what to expect tomorrow -- and be sure to share this information with your friends: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX Paid for by Obama for America This email was sent to: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com To unsubscribe, go to: http://my.barackobama.com/unsubscribe ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: NJC/ One last thing...check this out y'all I was at the grocery store checkline and I asked the young girl who she was voting for. Her answer was, "I'm going for Hillary." I asked, "Why?" She answered shyly, "Because my mother says that the Blacks are going to turn us into their slaves." I said, "Oh, sweetheart, that's a bunch of bullshit. Vote Barack! Truly, Jean Jeannie wrote: Texans are the rowdiest, hot-doggitty 'yes-we-can' crowds rooting for Obama, y'all!! Coolness, supreme if I must say so myself.... "Alive, alive, I wanna get up and jive--I'm gonna wreck my stocking in a juke box dive" ~~JM~~ Cheers, Jeannie doin' the Barack Obama juke box dive now with my youngest sister. "skippity-da-do-da-deh-oh." :) Barack Obama wrote: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:36:00 -0500 To: Jeannie Kabirpour From: Barack Obama Subject: One last thing... Jeannie -- I wanted to get in touch with you one last time before tomorrow's election. We've had a long journey together in Texas. For more than a year, you have been dedicated to the idea that when ordinary people come together, we can do extraordinary things. Our team put together a special video of our grassroots movement in Texas -- check it out, and share it with anyone who might still be undecided: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX It's been inspiring to see the turnout at our events, and it strengthens my faith that the American people -- not just here in Texas, but across the country -- are ready to stop settling for what the cynics tell us we must accept and start reaching for what's possible. Tomorrow's our chance to make history. But the election is going to be close, and it's vitally important that you vote and bring your family and friends to vote with you. Find your polling location -- and be sure to vote tomorrow and then caucus at 7:00 p.m.: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX When Michelle and I talked about my running for president, one of the core goals we both had for this campaign was to leave the political process better off than we found it. That's just what you've done in Texas. You have shaken the political status quo and built a grassroots movement that is sweeping this country. If you vote and caucus tomorrow -- and bring others to vote and caucus too -- our movement will continue to grow. The world will know that Texas stood up for a different kind of politics. And real change will be within reach. Find your polling location: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX Let's bring real change tomorrow, Barack P.S. -- We've put together a list of frequently asked questions about the Texas primary and caucus. Have a look right now so you know what to expect tomorrow -- and be sure to share this information with your friends: http://tx.barackobama.com/LookupTX Paid for by Obama for America This email was sent to: dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com To unsubscribe, go to: http://my.barackobama.com/unsubscribe ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:51:19 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The Seeding of Summer Lawns, P.S. about vigils tomorrow From: "Patti Parlette" > I don't know if I have got a thing that's unique and new (probably not), > but I'm sharing it just in case: > http://www.waxy.org/archive/2008/02/29/joni_mit.shtml These HOSL demos might be new to some people. While I was checking it out, I ran across a good Manassas concert, stereo, Amsterdam '72. (downloadable mp3's) http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities08/ARmanholland.html The frustrating thing about the bio O website is that many of the concert MP3's have been taken down. Still, some good stuff there in the "of the week" part on the left. The Clapton Winwood concert from 3 weeks ago at MSG is there-haven't tried it yet (audience). Also Police, Miles, Zep, Hendrix w/Stills http://www.bigozine2.com/ RR Teachers Not Tanks! (they are laying teachers off like crazy here...dumb people make better slaves, poor people make more willing soldiers). Vigil in my little town tomorrow, that will be my sign. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:17:03 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: obama njc Wow. Over the years there have been disagreements in the JMDL of course, and Mr Watson-Bush and I have disagreed sometimes strongly, to be sure, but this post astounds me. It is a total misrepresentation about what Sen. Obama said. There may be differences in agreement/disagreement and appreciation/distaste for what the Senator said, but the judgments contained herein about "defending reverse racism" and "so-called man of God" and "of the crowd that believes worship is about man [sic]" are more than a bit far far far away from what was said. To that end, here is the speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU Let it speak for itself, let Senator Obama speak for himself. Vince On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:17 PM, mack watson-bush wrote: > I am thoroughly disgusted with this man after this speech. He spent most > of > the speech either defending reverse racism and his so-called man of God. > He > is of the crowd that believes worship is about man, them. Worship is for > God, > nothing else. Anyone that says or writes differently hasn't read their > Bible > too closely. He had no problem saying that he would 'cringe' when his > white > grandmother made statements that he found distasteful (about blacks). He > never once came close to using any words similar when discussing his > pastor, > obviously a man full of hate and the devil. Barack Obama is a racist, in > sheep's clothing. I had no problem supporting him before this speech. If > left with a choice of him or a Republican, I'll do a write-in. He had an > obligation to completely disavow this pastor person. He refused to do so. > Perhaps ok if he were running for city councilman. He is running for > President of the United States. And to lie, which he did, that he didn't > know > the pastor had these views makes him a liar, clearly. > > Until we have the sense to realize that we are all people and not a color, > we > are stuck with this ignorance and it makes me very sad. This man is not > the > future of this country. This man is no Martin Luther King. Today > instead of > qualming the fire, he stoked it. > > mack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #610 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------