From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #606 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 15 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 606 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Leonard Cohen njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff musings and probably NJC [Lucy Hone ] Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna... ["Mark L. Levinson" ] Michigan, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: photos from the new book [Laura Stanley ] Re: Michigan, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: photos from the new book [Catherine McKay ] RE: photos from the new book ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna... [Coleen ] NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC [Bob Muller ] njc, Nobel Peace Prize Concert on TV tonight [Patti Parlette ] RE: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Twisted (Joni related content, but really NJC) ["Mark Scott" ] RE: talk about the weather NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: talk about the weather NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour NJC ["Randy Remote] defending Madonna, SJC [rian afriadi ] Re: Shelter from the Storm (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Leonard Cohen njc I remember when I made my Hejira to Nashville- a place I'd never been. The place they called Music City! It was daunting, overwhelming. So much over the top amazing talent everywhere (& too much smoke to stay very long in everyplace but the Bluebird Cafi). Feeling a bit out of place but digging the journey, I was conflicted between the Music City part & the Country Music part until I walked into a funky restroom & read the graffiti on the wall which was a beautiful quote from Leonard Cohen. Okay, I realized, there is more here than meets the eye. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:51:02 +0000 From: Lucy Hone Subject: Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff musings and probably NJC David, Hi - and Hello every one else. I loved this bit from your post(edited and copied in below.... and have to say hands up that a lot of my best memories are prompted by most of the artists you list.I have returned to Dylan and Hendrix in the last few years and get them better than I ever did when I was 12 - onwards. A lot of my music was vicariously gathered through my older brother. A fave album was the Rock Machine Turns you On which was a sampler from about 1968 - when I was 11, lots of artists including The Zombies (Time of the Season - it was such a sleazy song and so different to my English ears at that time), Tim Rose(come away Melinda, so eerie). The album became the victim of a lit cigarette (by brother was probably stoned so it may even have been a joint) and developed a huge bubble across Tracks 2 3 4 and 5 either side. I have just found the listing on Wikidpedia - isn't the internet great. I got interested in Dylan from this album and Leonard Cohen, and the Byrds and Simon and Garfunkel. particularly and, before the cigarette/joint debacle would listen to the album whenever Greg was out. Listening to his stuff was tantamount to murder - although he was the one who damaged the album!!! 1. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight" - Bob Dylan - from the LP /John Wesley Harding / 2. "Can't Be So Bad" - Moby Grape - from the LP /Wow / 3. "Fresh Garbage" - Spirit - from the LP /Spirit / 4. "I Won't Leave My Wooden Wife For You, Sugar" - The United States of America - from the LP /The United States of America / 5. "Time of the Season " - The Zombies  from the LP /Odessey and Oracle / 6. Turn On A Friend  The Peanut Butter Conspiracy  from the LP /The Great Conspiracy / 7. "Sisters of Mercy  Leonard Cohen  from the LP /The Songs of Leonard Cohen / Side 2 1. My Days Are Numbered  Blood, Sweat and Tears  from the LP /Child Is Father to the Man / 2. Dolphins Smile  The Byrds  from the LP /The Notorious Byrd Brothers / 3. Scarborough Fair / Canticle"  Simon and Garfunkel  from the LP /Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme / 4. Statesboro Blues  Taj Mahal  from the LP /Taj Mahal / 5. Killing Floor  The Electric Flag  from the LP /A Long Time Comin / 6. Nobodys Got Any Money In The Summer  Roy Harper  from the LP /Come Out Fighting Genghis Smith / 7. Come Away Melinda  Tim Rose  from the LP /Tim Rose / 8. Flames  Elmer Gantrys Velvet Opera  from the LP /Elmer Gantrys Velvet Opera / I would have to add in Marianne Faithful - Joan Baez, Francois Hardy, Pentangle, The Seekers, Donovan, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Free, Cream, Fairport Convention, the Doors, James Taylor, the Strawbs, Yes, Elton John and Pink Floyd and Van Morrison - even these become edited to favourite tracks - well some of them do.. There were some truly truly awful artists around - TINY TIM??? (WTF was that?) Abi and Esther Ofarim.. The ARchies _Ok so they were a cartoon band! I never understood concepts like Soft Machine - I did not cope too well with Emmerson Lake and Palmer and I cannot get on with some of the other similar bands - but I became a huge RUSH fan in the 80's! - and its a fact that makes me cool with my daughter's friends - 51, rides a motorbike and likes Rush, and to look at her youwould think - Classical music fan - Ah its still nice to surprise people..I like being who I am and I probably will not change my way of dipping into things. Nowadays I love all sorts of stuff and I have a really odd mix of things, but again I could not tell you THAT much about the people on the CD's in my racks. I am not someone who does the whole Fan thing. I seem to lack the capability to really really really get into everything about those who have sitrred my soul with their craft. I have so many memories packed up in Joni too, but am not a "fan" in the way that a lot of people on here are. I cannot tell you vast amounts about her outside of bits and pieces I have read on here, which have interested me, I like to hear anecdotes from others but I am not going to research everything I can and be "No1 fan" as for me it would not enhance my listening experience, nor change the way I feel about her as an artist. I like to still experience the "Ah that is why she wrote that" moments. going too deeply stops those moments for me. For others it is different and that is what I love about this list, we are all different, and yes, you will find a voice when you join - I did - and I have made some really lovely friends from this list - - real "in the flesh friends" who eat at my table and I at theirs. I do remain a lover of her early work and I can fill the house with her music and spring flowers, open the windows and be 14 again. (OK so I cannot get one leg down my old split knee loon pants and my cheesecloth shirts are dusters somewhere) but hey I still have memories . I wonder whether Joni as a "lonely painter" imagined her music would create a community like this and how her words and music would cling to us like phosphorescence in the water on a warm night at sea. And its not just my sort of enjoyment of her but the many varieties of "how I love Joni". I am not surprised she does not show up at fests, its probably not her thing although those who have met her, say how gracious she is - and I would expect that, but she is not a courter of limelight on a regular basis. Anyway I have rambled and I need breakfast and the dog needs a walk. NPIMH - Catch the Wind, Donovan. Come to fest in England, there is one bed space left - meet the others it will be and adventure and you would love it! Lucy - also known as Queen Lulu. >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:11:21 -0400 >From: David Eoll >Subject: Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff NJC >SNIPPED OUT OTHER STUFF...... > >I'm sorry, call me a throw back, but about 90% of the music I like to >listen to was recorded between about 1964 and 1972, and that's just the >way it is. Actually, why should I be sorry? I like to listen to music >that sounds good to me. And I ain't sayin' I listen to everything from >that era. There was lots of crappy music then, too. You can keep your >incense, and your peppermints, and your Turtles, and your Association. >And you can definitely keep your Freedom Rock. But give me my Beatles, >and my Stones, and my Grateful Dead, and my Joni, Judy, and Laura Nyro, >and my Jefferson Airplane (before Marty left), and my Hendrix, and my >Janis, and my Dylan, and the Band, and the Byrds, and my Fleetwood Mac >(before Stevie Nicks arrived). Oh, and my Simon & Garfunkel, and of >course my CSN&Y in all their permutations. And laugh if you want, but >I'm keeping Peter, Paul, and Mary, although there have been some >embarrassing moments pulling up to a traffic light with Puff the Magic >Dragon blaring out my car window. But, y'know what? F*** 'em if they >don't understand me. I'm me, damn it, and I'm proud. You can keep the >Mamas & the Papas, although Cass Elliott sang a Lennon tune that I >loved, I Call Your Name. Can I keep just that one song? (Why do I have >an image in my head of Steve Martin shuffling down the sidewalk in a >bathrobe with a double armful of junk?) > >"You can take all the Billy Joel ... except for The Stranger." > >Keep On Truckin', >David > >PS Wow, you people make me want to talk, I gues ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:56:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff NJC I admit that I bought Carly's "Playing Possum" just for the pictures (and rightfully so as the LP was a stinker). Oh those lips. And I read the Vanity Fair excerpt last night - I won't tell any spoilers but there's a lot of stuff there I didn't know - fascinating. Just whetted my appetite for the book all the more. Yep, know what you mean....keep it coming, David. Bob NP: Harry Nilsson: Nevertheless (I'm In Love With You) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 24 Beware the Ides of March? I think not....rather, the Ides of March can be your vehicle, baby, to take you anywhere you wanna go...as long as your destination is Joni covers! Here's another blast from the past - some names you know and some you don't but all performing songs you know by HEART. http://download.yousendit.com/AA9F7F577CE3D93C The Lineup for Volume 24: 1. Bruce Anthony - The Jungle Line 2. Bruce Anthony - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3. Bruce Anthony - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 4. Keb' Mo' - Big Yellow Taxi 5. Thom MacFarlane - Edith and the Kingpin 6. Shawn Colvin - Free Man In Paris (Live) 7. Don Henley - River (Live) 8. The Lilac Time - Big Yellow Taxi 9. Hal Frazier - Both Sides Now 10. Milan & Bibiloni - The Circle Game 11. Sue Medley - Raised On Robbery (Live) 12. Akiko Pavolka - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 13. Akiko Pavolka - Amelia 14. The Newcomers - Both Sides Now 15. Lonnie Knight - For Free 16. Walt Barr - Chelsea Morning 17. Keith Jarrett - All I Want 18. Louis van Dyke/Rogier van Otterloo - Both Sides Now Et tu, JMDLer's....the link is good for 2 weeks and 200 downloads. Bob NP: Ani, "Anyday" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:59:03 +0200 From: "Mark L. Levinson" Subject: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna... Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna in a way. When you listen to their music, you're listening to great arrangements and production work that prop up a flimsy, undeveloped talent for musical composition. Both are using music to leverage their gifts from other fields-- Cohen from poetry and Madonna from dance and design. - --------------------------------------- Mark L. Levinson - Herzliya, Israel - ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: was Leonard etc./ now 80's wasteland NJC - --- David Eoll wrote: > Going through high school was hell enough for me, but doing it in > the > musical doldrums of the 80s was worse. And that hair. And the > clothes. > And Reagan. And Mr. T. Ugh. Hi David, I must be a few years older yhan you, as I was in high school in the mid and late 70's. But I know what you mean about the 80's! For me, as far as listening to commercial radio, the bright spots were the "one hit wonders" that seemed like good pop, or better than alot of the other stuff. Like Slade's "Run Run Away" or Kajagoogoo's "Too Shy" or Tommy Tutone's "Jenny 867 5309" or Big Country's "In a Big Country"...but otherwise the 80's seemed filled with headbanger stuff that didn't even seem like rock and roll (to me) and with the way too nerdy english hair bands that had this whole air of "I'm way too cool"...although maybe that stuff was good? what do I know. I just found the 80's very pretencious (sp) that way.... I liked Thomas Dolby's first album. I liked the Ska bands...English Beat etc...I liked the Bruce stuff from then just "ok" and the U2 stuff too - altho they were both so BRUTALLY overplayed that it felt like being beaten around the head with a stick after a while. For me the REALLY neat thing, musically, about the 80's was getting involved with our community radio station here in Tampa. WMNF, 88.5 What's being called the Americana stuff was just rearing up its head (altho really it'd been there all along) but artists like Lucinda Williams, Steve Earle, Lyle Lovett and so many more were getting their start. Was really good for my head - very healing and up-lifting. And the people at the radio station were really sweet to me too; met lots of great folks doing that. So thank GOD for that...because otherwise I can remember thinking "if someone in this house plays "Shoot That Poison Arrow" ONE more time I am just gonna EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We had a houseful of people who mostly liked that club/dance stuff (which in retrospect doesn't sound that bad) but I used to counter it by playing the likes of, say, The John Renbourn group, as often as possible - and quite loudly. One person in the house would say "there's that Smurf music again". :) so I totally get it when you say you feel the 80's was a waste land. OTOH, my gawd I had fun back then...... hope this didn't bug anyone too badly that I shared my thoughts.... Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:08:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Michigan, njc David wrote: Look, I agree, this FL and MI thing is a big mess. The voters in those states got screwed. Hi David, That says it all. The Republican involvement... what the...? The DJRD album grows on me more and more with each listen. It is brilliant! HOSL struck me from the start because of the way it moves; I love to dance! Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: photos from the new book Catherine wrote: To me, every picture I've seen of Larry Klein looks completely different from any other picture I've seen of him, such that I really don't think I know what he looks like! Hi Catherine, I've always thought in his younger days he looked like Lionel Ritchie. When I first bought WTRF, I thought he was Lionel. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Michigan, njc David wrote: Love you too, :) David PS Where in Michigan are your parent from? My mom's from Jackson, dad's from Detroit. Thanks David. I appreciate your love. Where is Jackson? My mother was born in Detroit and then in Port Huron for her teenage years which is where her parents retired. She went to MSU. My dad was born in Grand Rapids and moved to Portage and Kalamazoo for his teenage years. He and my mother met in Mt. Clemens. He was in the Air Force and she was a grade school teacher. His parents retired in Mattawan, outside of Kalamazoo. My dad's dad was a professional singer/performer and saxophone player. My dad played the trumpet. All of these places in Michigan are dear to me, and I visited some of them last summer with my kids, stopping by to see Gary in Detroit also. When I came across into Port Huron, Michigan from Canada, across the Blue Water Bridge for the first time again in over a decade after visiting Marianne in NY, I was flooded with emotion and started crying big time. Even the thought of it is making my eyes well up with tears now. I have a brother buried in Port Huron. We visited Michigan every year when I was growing up... and when we went, we were always going "home." I have an aunt and a cousin who still live there, but that is about it for family now. I love to listen to the accents of women in Michigan because it reminds me of my mother who passed away about 9 years ago. The Michigan accent is music to my ears like my mother's voice was. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: photos from the new book - --- Laura Stanley wrote: > I've always thought in his younger days [Larry Klein] looked > like Lionel Ritchie. When I first bought WTRF, I > thought he was Lionel. > I never thought about that before but, now that you mention it, in the Joni paintings on WTRF, he certainly does! Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:59:21 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: photos from the new book That's not Lionel Richie???!!!! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:39 AM To: sweetbirdur@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: photos from the new book - --- Laura Stanley wrote: > I've always thought in his younger days [Larry Klein] looked > like Lionel Ritchie. When I first bought WTRF, I > thought he was Lionel. > I never thought about that before but, now that you mention it, in the Joni paintings on WTRF, he certainly does! Catherine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:15:56 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna... On 15-Mar-08, at 8:59 AM, Mark L. Levinson wrote: > Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna in a way. > When you listen to their music, you're listening > to great arrangements and production work that > prop up a flimsy, undeveloped talent for musical > composition. Both are using music to leverage > their gifts from other fields-- Cohen from poetry > and Madonna from dance and design. > > "a flimsy, undeveloped talent for musical composition"?? Madonna, yes but Leonard Cohen?! Perhaps you're only familiar with Cohen's own recordings; I admit his voice can be off-putting to many. Have you heard Jennifer Warnes incredible 1987 album of Cohen covers "Famous Blue Raincoat"? The 20th anniversary edition is available now and it's even better than the original recording (I wouldn't have believed that was possible). I admit that Canadians can be a little biased where Mr. Cohen is concerned, but even my Texan husband thinks that album is brilliant - and he previously claimed to hate Leonard Cohen! Also, give a listen to Jeff Buckley's transcendent version of Hallelujah. I think one of the indicators of a great songwriter is whether they're covered by other performers. I don't know of any covers of Madonna songs, do you? Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC Famous Blue Raincoat is a FABULOUS record. Having said that, I would submit that you go to Amazon.com and type in Leonard Cohen Tribute, THEN type in Madonna Tribute. If you're like me you will be very surprised. Just because you don't know them doesn't mean they're not there. After all, do you think most Madonna fans know much about Cohen? Bob NP: MeShell, "Sincerity" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:27:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: talk about the weather NJC Catherine of Toronto said that it's been one of the worst winters in memory in terms of the amount of snow fall. Ive found a link to the CBC which describes what she and other Canadians have been living with this season. Miss Cat's fair city of Toronto is now well over the average for snow fall. And the challenge down there is the ice that falls, partially melts, turns into footprint fossils, making it very difficult to walk. Being on the lake exposes TO to all kinds of weird changes in the blink of an eye. http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/map-snow-records/ our challenge is the wind that whips,mercilessly, across the prairie. the toughest aspect of this winter even for hardy winnipeggers has been the long term deep freeze. it's worth the shock value to say that many nights in these past weeks, the temps have been well into the -40s and even -50s. Often, there is a temperature given and then a "real feel" number. Im not sure why the weather people bother, because it really IS what the wind chill factor says. It's unreal. glad to see that the spring equinox is this coming Thursday...hopeful that the warmth of the sun follows soon. Today, it is -12C , going down to -16C. Which is a far cry better than it has been in weeks. Supposedly, this has been a return to the "normal" climes of winter. Hmmmm. Mags - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:37:36 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Nobel Peace Prize Concert on TV tonight Dear Joniamigos: The Nobel Peace Prize Concert will be on at 8 p.m. EST tonight, hosted by Kevin Spacey and Uma Thurman, with performances by Alicia Keys, Annie Lennox, Earth Wind and Fire, Kylie Minogue (Who is she, Bob? She's not from the 70s! ha ha) and Melissa Etheridge, and Marianne's (and my and many others') Superman, Al Gore. (Oh, if only.....) It was recorded in Oslo on (or about) Uncle Oddmund's birthday. Here's a little video ad: http://www.mynetworktv.com/shows.php?show=58 I didn't know much about this network (except that they sometimes show our Husky games), and was disappointed to just learn that they are owned by FOX. Speaking of FOX, here's a....nah, wait a sec. Let me make that a separate post. This one is light. The next one is shadows, dark shadows. Love & Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:45:10 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Fox "News" attacks Obama, Part Deux Some say (TIC! "it's in service, they say humble makes pure...") just to ignore them and stay on "higher ground", but sometimes you have to shake your fists at lightning now and roar like forest fire back at 'em: http://foxattacks.com/virus?utm_source=rgemail I'm embarrassed to share this story, but I have to. When my Mom died in January and my three brothers and I were together out west , I walked into the living room one night to spend some time with my middle brother, whom I rarely see. He was watching TV and what was on but Fox "News". I said: "Bro, you are not really watching this channel, are you?" He said: "Yeah, why not?" I laughed and said: "You're just trying to rile me up, aren't you?" He looked confused. I tried to calmly tell him that it's all smears and hatred and it's not the truth, and he looked at me straight in the face and said: "No, it's not! It's fair and balanced." He was serious. "If I had a heart....." Peace, Patti P., very busy organizing a peace vigil on campus for Wednesday to mark FIVE unfrigginbelievable years of war in Iraq. P.S. SHOUT OUT TO VICTOR: Are you okay down there in Atlanta? I saw footage of roofs ripped off of buildings and they said it's even hard for people to drive around because of glass and other debris in the streets. I hope that everyone who has friends and kin there have heard that they have escaped unscathed. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:56:58 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" > > Famous Blue Raincoat is a FABULOUS record. > Get "Judy Collins Sings The Songs of Leonard Cohen: Democracy". It's mostly cuts culled from Judy's catalogue but they are beautiful renditions of Cohen's songs. There are one or two new takes thrown in for good measure that are equally as stellar. Some songs that I had never heard before like 'A Thousand Kisses Deep' and "Night Comes On" are some of my favorites now. I guess I should give 'Famous Blue Raincoat' another listen. Folks on the list have raved and raved about it for years. It just didn't impress me the first time I listened to it after finally getting a copy of it a few years ago. Judy's rendition of 'FBR' is so beautiful it's hard for me to think better of Jennifer Warnes' (or anyone else's) version. Many of Cohen's songs have beautiful melodies. And the lyrics are almost always amazing. His voice in his younger days before he developed the current 'growl' had a droning quality to it. But it seemed to go with the introspective nature of his material. The soundtrack of 'McCabe and Mrs. Miller' has some wonderful Cohen songs on it that seem to perfectly fit the film. I think they are mostly from 'The Songs of Leonard Cohen' which is a wonderful record. I have always held the opinion that Madonna is marginally talented when it comes to singing, a very talented dancer and a mediocre writer. She is all about production, presentation and self-promotion. Her voice has never impressed me. There doesn't seem to be much real punch behind it. It's the packaging that has put her over through the years, not the content. She's not particularly attractive and not phenomally talented but I guess she is pretty smart. She has sold a lot of records over the years. But for me that is not always an accurate measure of someone's talent or worth as an artist. I guess I just plain don't like her. Never have. Maybe there is no real logic behind that. Mark in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:55:59 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" > I admit that I bought Carly's "Playing Possum" just for the pictures > (and rightfully so as the LP was a stinker). I thought 'Playing Possum' was one of her lesser efforts for a long time but have revised my opinion of it in recent years. It has some really good songs on it. 'Attitude Dancing' is a bit on the cheesy side but some of the other songs are very well written and performed. >Oh those lips. And I read the Vanity Fair excerpt last night - I >won't tell any spoilers but there's a lot of stuff there I didn't >know - fascinating. Just whetted my appetite for the book all the >more. That's how the VF article is affecting me. There are nice healthy-sized chunks from the book about each woman. Just enough to make you want more. And the material about Joni is not the same material that was in the excerpt that somebody posted to the list. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:12:21 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" > >> I admit that I bought Carly's "Playing Possum" just for the pictures Most of her records would be worth the asking price just for the pictures. Very attractive lady was she. >> Oh those lips. And I read the Vanity Fair excerpt last night - I won't >> tell any spoilers but there's a lot of stuff there I didn't know - >> fascinating. Just whetted my appetite for the book all the more. > > > That's how the VF article is affecting me. There are nice healthy-sized > chunks from the book about each woman. Just enough to make you want > more. And the material about Joni is not the same material that was in > the excerpt that somebody posted to the list. I just noticed that one of the pictures featured in the VF article of Joni and Cros: http://tinyurl.com/2zuy8k is from the same set as one of the Henry Diltz photos that a list member turned me on to. EC and some other very young person were also present: http://tinyurl.com/2lzztn Uh, Dave, y'think you could keep that stuff away from the kids? Thx. Check out how the kid is grooving on Joni's playing. Everyone was smitten with Joni. Everyone. Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:53:44 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC I love Leonard's voice. It was described by Robert Christgau as the "most intimate voice in popular music". His voice, like Dylan's isn't technically great, but it is moving and hypnotic... It's an appropriate vehicle for the songs.... > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:56:58 -0700 > From: mark.travis@gte.net > Subject: Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC > To: scjoniguy@yahoo.com; scrifton@cogeco.ca; joni@smoe.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Muller" > > > > Famous Blue Raincoat is a FABULOUS record. > > > > Get "Judy Collins Sings The Songs of Leonard Cohen: Democracy". It's > mostly cuts culled from Judy's catalogue but they are beautiful > renditions of Cohen's songs. There are one or two new takes thrown in > for good measure that are equally as stellar. Some songs that I had > never heard before like 'A Thousand Kisses Deep' and "Night Comes On" > are some of my favorites now. > > I guess I should give 'Famous Blue Raincoat' another listen. Folks on > the list have raved and raved about it for years. It just didn't > impress me the first time I listened to it after finally getting a > copy of it a few years ago. Judy's rendition of 'FBR' is so beautiful > it's hard for me to think better of Jennifer Warnes' (or anyone > else's) version. > > Many of Cohen's songs have beautiful melodies. And the lyrics are > almost always amazing. His voice in his younger days before he > developed the current 'growl' had a droning quality to it. But it > seemed to go with the introspective nature of his material. The > soundtrack of 'McCabe and Mrs. Miller' has some wonderful Cohen songs > on it that seem to perfectly fit the film. I think they are mostly > from 'The Songs of Leonard Cohen' which is a wonderful record. > > I have always held the opinion that Madonna is marginally talented > when it comes to singing, a very talented dancer and a mediocre > writer. She is all about production, presentation and self-promotion. > Her voice has never impressed me. There doesn't seem to be much real > punch behind it. It's the packaging that has put her over through the > years, not the content. She's not particularly attractive and not > phenomally talented but I guess she is pretty smart. She has sold a > lot of records over the years. But for me that is not always an > accurate measure of someone's talent or worth as an artist. > > I guess I just plain don't like her. Never have. Maybe there is no > real logic behind that. > > Mark in Seattle. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:11:52 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Shelter from the Storm (njc) I came out relatively unscathed from the storm last night...actually it didn't really affect me at all but there was some severe damage where I live in the metro area. Two holes were ripped in the roof of the Georgia Dome and for the first time in NCAA history, there was a rain/weather delay in the middle of a basketball game...pretty strange. Georgia and Kentucky didn't even get to play last night and had to move to Tech and play today (Dawgs win by 1...whoohoo!!!) I was actually downtown last night for a rehearsal, right when this all came down but apart from driving through some heavy rain suffered no ill effects. Cabbagetown (where Kelly Hogan lived for years), and only a couple of miles away, was hit pretty heavily with some big oak trees falling on houses. Fortunately no one was injured there. I have another rehearsal tonight downtown but fortunately the forecast doesn't look too menacing. Victor NP: Jimmy Buffett "Cuban Crime of Passion" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:20:25 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC I have to say that I love the Warnes record, I love the Judy Collins record and I love Leonard Cohen's records--all of them. But I have to do _something_ to piss off the Canadians so I'll say that Leonard Cohen is a lousy poet and even worse as a novelist. But as a singer-songwriter, he is nearly without parallel. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of anon anon Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:54 PM To: Mark Scott; Bob Muller; Coleen; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC I love Leonard's voice. It was described by Robert Christgau as the "most intimate voice in popular music". His voice, like Dylan's isn't technically great, but it is moving and hypnotic... It's an appropriate vehicle for the songs.... > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:56:58 -0700 > From: mark.travis@gte.net > Subject: Re: NJC Re: Leonard Cohen does resemble Madonna...NJC > To: scjoniguy@yahoo.com; scrifton@cogeco.ca; joni@smoe.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Muller" > > > > Famous Blue Raincoat is a FABULOUS record. > > > > Get "Judy Collins Sings The Songs of Leonard Cohen: Democracy". It's > mostly cuts culled from Judy's catalogue but they are beautiful > renditions of Cohen's songs. There are one or two new takes thrown in > for good measure that are equally as stellar. Some songs that I had > never heard before like 'A Thousand Kisses Deep' and "Night Comes On" > are some of my favorites now. > > I guess I should give 'Famous Blue Raincoat' another listen. Folks on > the list have raved and raved about it for years. It just didn't > impress me the first time I listened to it after finally getting a > copy of it a few years ago. Judy's rendition of 'FBR' is so beautiful > it's hard for me to think better of Jennifer Warnes' (or anyone > else's) version. > > Many of Cohen's songs have beautiful melodies. And the lyrics are > almost always amazing. His voice in his younger days before he > developed the current 'growl' had a droning quality to it. But it > seemed to go with the introspective nature of his material. The > soundtrack of 'McCabe and Mrs. Miller' has some wonderful Cohen songs > on it that seem to perfectly fit the film. I think they are mostly > from 'The Songs of Leonard Cohen' which is a wonderful record. > > I have always held the opinion that Madonna is marginally talented > when it comes to singing, a very talented dancer and a mediocre > writer. She is all about production, presentation and self-promotion. > Her voice has never impressed me. There doesn't seem to be much real > punch behind it. It's the packaging that has put her over through the > years, not the content. She's not particularly attractive and not > phenomally talented but I guess she is pretty smart. She has sold a > lot of records over the years. But for me that is not always an > accurate measure of someone's talent or worth as an artist. > > I guess I just plain don't like her. Never have. Maybe there is no > real logic behind that. > > Mark in Seattle. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:25:55 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shelter from the Storm (njc) Glad you're all right Victor. Those pictures look terrifying. And the latest news reported some fatalities. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Victor Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 3:12 PM To: joni@smoe.org people! Subject: Shelter from the Storm (njc) I came out relatively unscathed from the storm last night...actually it didn't really affect me at all but there was some severe damage where I live in the metro area. Two holes were ripped in the roof of the Georgia Dome and for the first time in NCAA history, there was a rain/weather delay in the middle of a basketball game...pretty strange. Georgia and Kentucky didn't even get to play last night and had to move to Tech and play today (Dawgs win by 1...whoohoo!!!) I was actually downtown last night for a rehearsal, right when this all came down but apart from driving through some heavy rain suffered no ill effects. Cabbagetown (where Kelly Hogan lived for years), and only a couple of miles away, was hit pretty heavily with some big oak trees falling on houses. Fortunately no one was injured there. I have another rehearsal tonight downtown but fortunately the forecast doesn't look too menacing. Victor NP: Jimmy Buffett "Cuban Crime of Passion" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:31:32 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: the brain, njc Dear Laura: I'm not a science person, so I can't believe I watched the whole thing (18:44 minutes). It was fascinating, and I learned some things. Ha. You know life is for learning! Thank you very much for sharing that. This list rocks. Love, Patti P., who mostly lives in the right-brained la-la land, euphoric, peaceful right-brain but tries to engage her left-brain, too (TIC: "I had a brain, it was insane...") Oh, and thanks for that Twisted, Richard. That was great, too! ****** Hi Ya'll, I'm teaching neuroscience to the med students this term, and one of my students emailed this link to me and the class. It is really good for seeing how we need both hemispheres of our brains to be who we are, BOTH a connected and separate being with the universe. It also shows how our society and world could use us in our right hemisphere a little more. It is the integration of both hemispheres that probably results in geniuses like Joni. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/229 Love, Laura _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:31:44 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Twisted (Joni related content, but really NJC) Thank you for this, Richard. It's great! Do you know where that clip came from? I had a wonderful time clicking around on the few Lambert Hendricks and Ross clips that were listed along with this one. Thanks to Joni, I have become a huge fan of theirs over the years. One of the greatest live shows I have had the luck and privilege to witness was Hendricks and Ross at Jazz Alley in Seattle a few years ago. In their 70s these two great singers put on an energetic, spot-on show. Somehow without Dave Lambert they managed to recreate their pitch-perfect, rapid-fire lyrics, ultra-cool sound. It was electrifying. Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" To: "'Joni List'" Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Twisted (Joni related content, but really NJC) > Annie Ross with Count Basie on piano: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StDLnFrbi78 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: talk about the weather NJC Gorgeous and 81 degrees here in St. Petersburg, Florida. Jerry, who remembers 30 nasty Buffalo winters all too well ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:47:47 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: talk about the weather NJC Partly cloudy and windy and 82 (that's 27.7 C) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:00 PM To: Mags Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: talk about the weather NJC Gorgeous and 81 degrees here in St. Petersburg, Florida. Jerry, who remembers 30 nasty Buffalo winters all too well ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:53:41 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: talk about the weather NJC It snowed here last night. Yes, in California (only an inch, but we got 2 feet in January). RR From: "Richard Flynn" > Partly cloudy and windy and 82 (that's 27.7 C) > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry > Notaro > Gorgeous and 81 degrees here in St. Petersburg, Florida. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:56:29 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour NJC From: "David Eoll" >> (RR):> Madonna is to rock and roll as Steven Hawking is to pole vaulting. >> >> *cough*, *cough*, *sputter*... Stephen Hawking? I'll grant Madonna is >> not entirely devoid of talent, but Hawking is a serious freaking genius. >> Maybe its just me, but I don't think Madonna is the Stephen Hawking of >> anything. You've misconstrued my meaning completely, my dear fellow, please read the sentence again >> John Mellencamp was one of the (few) bright spots of the 80s, which for >> the most part sucked, IMHO. Stevie Ray Vaughn was another rare gem. I agree that the 80's were the worst decade for music since the 50's...for every good band there were ten Duran Sirhans, but other bright spots (for me, anyway): The Pretenders Dire Straits X The Cars The Bangles Rickie Lee Jones Tom Petty Frank Zappa Neil Young Grateful Dead Okay the last 3 were 60's artists, but did some of their best work in the 80's. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: defending Madonna, SJC ah come on. madonna's not that bad! she does rock the rock & roll music scene. this world would be boring without her. her key records that make her deserve this hall of fame induction: (IMO) 1. Like A Prayer 2. Immacullate Collection 3. True Blue 4. Ray of Light 5. Music 6. Confessions on A Dance Floor. well, and, to be frankly, if we look back at the music history 1960-present, history says that madonna rocks the music industry harder than lots of the already-inducted-musicians, say : sex pistol, prince, or even our joni mitchell. joni's music is smarter and higher in quality than madonna's. but, there is something that madonna does better than joni. you know that something, don't you? rian np. radiohead - how to dissapear completely from Kid A (ummm... Kid A contains lots of suicide-trigger-songs, IMO. am i correct?) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Shelter from the Storm (njc) Glad to hear you're ok. -M Victor Johnson wrote: I came out relatively unscathed from the storm last night...actually it didn't really affect me at all but there was some severe damage where I live in the metro area. Two holes were ripped in the roof of the Georgia Dome and for the first time in NCAA history, there was a rain/weather delay in the middle of a basketball game...pretty strange. Georgia and Kentucky didn't even get to play last night and had to move to Tech and play today (Dawgs win by 1...whoohoo!!!) I was actually downtown last night for a rehearsal, right when this all came down but apart from driving through some heavy rain suffered no ill effects. Cabbagetown (where Kelly Hogan lived for years), and only a couple of miles away, was hit pretty heavily with some big oak trees falling on houses. Fortunately no one was injured there. I have another rehearsal tonight downtown but fortunately the forecast doesn't look too menacing. Victor NP: Jimmy Buffett "Cuban Crime of Passion" - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #606 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------