From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #605 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 15 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 605 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Michigan, njc [David Eoll ] NJC Re: Michigan and Florida [David Eoll ] Re: njc, McGovern on the Colbert Report [David Eoll ] Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion [David Eoll ] Re: Photos from the new book ["Mark Scott" ] NJC Re: Michigan and Florida -- now the U.S. Constitution [Patti Parlette] Re: photos from the book [Laura Stanley ] NJC, snow and ice and too long winter [Laura Stanley ] Re: NJC, snow and ice and too long winter [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hejira Warning ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Photos from the new book [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Hejira Warning [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Photos from the new book [Catherine McKay ] no country for old men/hejira warning ["gene" ] Re:hejira warning [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Photos from the new book [dsknyc05 ] Twisted (Joni related content, but really NJC) ["Richard Flynn" ] NJC No Country For Old Men [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC No Country For Old Men ["Jerry Notaro" ] Hejira warning ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida [Jeannie ] RE: Misc Music News now sjc [Sherelle Smith ] Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour [David Eoll ] Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff NJC [David Eoll Subject: Re: Michigan, njc > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: Michigan, njc > > Vince wrote: > > Running against "uncommitted" Sen Clinton got 55% of the vote which is > nothing to brag about > > > Hi Vince, > > Interesting number... close to the results in Mississippi yesterday > for Obama. It is a slim margin but a slim margin of delegates might > decide the race in the end given that both candidates will fall short > of the number it takes to win the nomination. I am of the opinion > that the most fair thing to do would be to share the ticket. > Otherwise, half of the party will be dissatisfied. Laura, the difference is that Obama won Mississippi running against an actual opponent: Clinton. In Michigan, Clinton won 55% running against... nobody. Which I think was Vince's point. Look, I agree, this FL and MI thing is a big mess. The voters in those states got screwed. In MI, I have no idea what the deal was, I don't know why they bucked the DNC rules. But in FL, it was the state Republicans who control the state legislature and the governorship. They moved the primary up, and I'm sure they knew exactly what kind of a mess it would cause for the Democrats. They're probably laughing their asses off right now over it. I say that Howard Dean (chairman of the DNC) should offer to seat 50/50 delegations from both states. And the states should take the offer. The states get to be represented, but neither campaign benefits because the election was not fairly held. There's no perfect solution to this. The reason it wasn't a fair election, in either MI of FL, is because of all the people who stayed home because they were told ... TOLD ... that their vote wouldn't count, that it was a meaningless election. To go back now and say that the results are now binding would effectively disenfranchise those people who, in good faith, believed what they were told, that it wouldn't count. > > Love, > Laura (who is for all the voters being heard and not impressed with Caucuses) BTW, Laura, I love your email address. THOSL was a Joni album that grew on me. I didn't like it at first, though today I can't imagine why. Now its one of my favorites. DJRD had to grow on me too. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:15:53 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida > > As for democracy, America's idea of democracy has quite a few dents in it. Word. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:03:55 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: njc, McGovern on the Colbert Report > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: njc, McGovern on the Colbert Report > > Did anyone catch George McGovern on the Colbert Report last night? > McGovern was the commencement speaker when I graduated from Tufts. Now there's an example of what I mean when I say a bold leader. We need people like him. Seems those days are gone. > And on the dark side, he also taught me how to lose. Ouch, ouch ouch - -- that was a bad one. The worst ever, I think. Second worse. Mondale got creamed by Reagan in 1984. Both he and McGovern got 1 state each and the District of Columbia. But, McGovern's one state was Massachusetts, and Mondale's was Minnesota which has fewer electoral delegates. So McGovern got slightly more votes in the electoral college. They both got mauled though, eh? I don't understand why Nixon won so big in '72 when he won a much more modest victory in '68 with his i've-got-a-secret-plan-to-end-the-war campaign. Four years later, when it was clear he had no f***ing secret plan, shouldn't he have been punished at the polls? And I can't imagine people were any less sick of the war in 1972 than in 1968. I guess people were more sick of war protesters than the war itself. Also, in '68 Wallace must've sucked up a lot of the racists... er, I mean angry white guys that might've otherwise gone to Nixon. They never would've voted for Humphrey. But, even with those extra southern states under Nixon's belt, it still wouldn't have been the rout that 1972 was. It just seems like between the assassinations and Chicago, that '68 would've been the bigger disaster for Democrats. I dunno. I wasn't around then. Well I was around, technically, but I was much more interested in Sesame Street than politics. Most of what I know about those 2 elections I learned from HST's dark little book (did he have any other kind?) Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:08:15 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion > From: "Vince Lavieri" > Subject: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion > > I have never seen a discussion - there could have been one that I > missed - on Joni and percussion. > > Driving on a lengthy car trip the other day Hana snuck up on me off of > Shine and I pondered anew Joni's use of percussion - other than The > Jungle Line which everyone thinks of when referring to Joni and > percussion - Actually, the first thing I thought of was Side 3 of DJRD. That's starting about halfway through the CD for those of you that are vinylly-challenged. Actually, even CDs are becoming passe these days, aren't they? Aw, hell, its on your iPod somewhere, go find it yourself. Tenth World is obviously Latin/Carribean, and Dreamland has some kind of... oh, ethnically tinged rhythm. I'm not a percussionist, so I don't know. A really interesting, and subtler, use of percussion, also from Side 3, is Otis and Marlena. There's a little snare drum flourish during the "as muslims stick up Washington" lines. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:20:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion Vince asks~ >>I have never seen a discussion - there could have been one that I missed - on Joni and percussion. Driving on a lengthy car trip the other day Hana snuck up on me off of Shine and I pondered anew Joni's use of percussion - other than The Jungle Line which everyone thinks of when referring to Joni and percussion - she often uses percussion in the most intriguing ways - I thought maybe the musicians who know much much more than I might have some comments on Joni's use of percussion<< O Vince Her use of percussion is perhaps the main reason i LOVE Joni most! She has said that it wasn't until DJRD/Mingus that she found a band capable of playing her music (see MOJO 01-08). The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey was when i first began to fathom her brilliance as a percussionist (on the guitar no less). & i hear that song echoed in If. HANA is Weather Reportesque & i adore it but the entire SHINE is likewise brimming with incredible syncopations & undulations NEVER HEARD BEFORE from anyone. Our Joni is completely unique which is sadly why most people don't get the breadth of her music. my partner is always asking "where is the melody?" Joni often play the piano & guitar like a base drum, sometimes out of tune (which i adore the most, like Mingus). Slouching Toward Bethlehem is my favorite example. O people, do any of us truly realize what a consummate artist Joni is? Leonardo daVinci was the last genius with such broad scope that our sad world has encountered. It makes me feel SO grateful just to be alive to witness it. O & Bad Dreams Are Good is, for lack of a better term, AWESOME!!! Representing the post-Hissing fans ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:43:05 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Photos from the new book Actually, I believe that particular photo was taken in the "tenement castle" that Joni and Chuck rented in Detroit (see the "Detroit News" caption at the far right of the photo.) when they lived in the area. The building still stands and was the subject of an article that appeared a few years ago in a Detroit newspaper called "Joni Doesn't Live Here Anymore." It can be found here: http://jonimitchell.com/Library/view.cfm?id=647 Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit dsknyc05 wrote: >--- Patti Parlette wrote: > > > >>Thanks, everyJonibody. Chuck. But of course! >> >>... And >>"tenement castle" -- LOL Bob! >>Sitting there with their reel to reel... >> >> > >Yes, Joni and her king in their tenement castle in >Chelsea NYC. The neighborhood still has some of those >old apartments -- not much floor space, tall ceilings >and big huge windows with wooden frames that rattle in >the winter from the wind coming through. Brrr! Such >tenement buildings are five floors tall (any taller >and building code requires an elevator). Higher the >floor, cheaper the rent. So Joni and Chuck probably >walked up at least four long narrow flights of stairs >to get home. Lots of sunlight could come in through >those big windows on the higher floors. On a happy >day, it would be like butterscotch. > >Debra Shea > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:21:45 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Photos from the new book - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" If > those pics are in the book, that alone might be worth > the price. The photos in the Vanity Fair excerpt are enough to make me salivate. In high school I bought the single 'It's Too Late' and then the album 'Tapestry'. I became enamored of Carole. Later in my freshman year of college I got hooked by 'You're So Vain' and bought 'No Secrets'. The first 2 Carly Simon albums were soon added to my record collection and I became a fan, anxiously awaiting her next release. Then somewhere, sometime, about a year or two later I bought 'Court and Spark'. It totally blew everything the other two did out of the water. I lost interest in Carole's output after 'Fantasy'. I still admire her as one of the greats, though. I have stayed pretty loyal to Carly over the years although her last couple of releases seem to lack energy or passion or something. But there is no-one that I feel the same way I feel about Joni. To this day if I open my mouth to sing a song to myself (which many of my close friends can tell you is a frequent occurrence - just ask Travis) it is more likely than not a Joni Mitchell song that comes out. After all is said and done, seeing the three separate photos of each of these women at the beginning of the VF article brought a tear or two to my eye. Such beauty, so much wonderful music and so many memories. It all comes welling up into my sentimentally influenced tear ducts. Some of the content borders on being a bit too gossipy for my taste (quotes from one-time 'lovers', etc.) but overall it is well-written. Judging by what I have read so far, anyway, reading during my Star Track time at the gym on Mon-Wed-Fri. I will hopefully finish the article tomorrow night. I think I will probably have to buy this book. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:20:26 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida -- now the U.S. Constitution Bob and Lori wrote: < Hence the amendments...the option would be to write a CONSTITUTION every so often which would really be a disaster. Imagine if our current President and his band of idiots had THAT choice...they've done enough damage to it as it is.> Now THAT is a truly excellent point, Bob (and thanks for the Capitol Hill Blue link, http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml ). ***** Yes, thanks Bob. The Constitution is a "God-damned piece of paper"? I never knew he said that. Did he really???? HOLY MERDE! WHAT A COMPLETE....... (Note to self: Settle down, girl. Settle down.) I wish I had time to google this cartoon for you (as we can't send attachments), but I don't, so I'll have to describe it in words. I think the cartoonist's name is "Collins", and I'm sorry I don't know where it appeared. It's a drawing of our founding fathers, with their powdered wigs and period costumes, sitting in a big room with period furniture. A handful of them are standing around the desk in the front, looking worried. The caption reads: "I keep thinking we should include something in the Constitution in case the people elect a fucking moron." Yeah. I still can't believe the people did it TWICE. Or should I say that he somehow slithered in twice? Sigh. Peace, Patti P. P.S. to Lori: Don't fret about turning fifty. Many people have told me that "life begins at fifty." I have found this to be true. But of course, you're talking to someone who, as a 50th b/day present to herself, finally joined the JMDL. That just might have something to do with it. Ya think? ; ) Bon weekend, tout le Jonimonde! _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: photos from the book Bob posted: That would be your basic Chuck Mitchell - they're probably in the tenement castle. Hi Bob, You got me curious about the photos by identifying Chuck in one. Great photo! It makes me think he is the cutest one out of all of Joni's passions. I am intrigued with him now as I listen to his album Dreams and Stories. I woke up with The Bilboa Song playing in my mind. He and Arlo Guthrie have a similar style and sound on some songs. His rendition of the song Stackerlee reminds me of Dylan's song The Ballad of Frankee Lee and Judas Priest. My favorite song on the album is his very own Look Out Girl. Joni picked a very talented one for sure. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: NJC, snow and ice and too long winter Catherine wrote: We haven't had a winter like this for a long time and everyone is fed up with it, as if that does any good. Mother Nature has her own plans. Hi Catherine, I am hearing the same woes from a close friend of mine in NY. Last year was so mild up your way until right at the end of the season. Now it is winter giving it's last few breaths. It won't survive much longer. About a week ago we had a freakish snow here in Arkansas amidst the daffodils in bloom. Winter gave out to Spring though the next day. Now it is in the 70's every day, and we have beautiful flowering trees everywhere. It will come up your way soon. I always see it happen first here and before long, you'll be seeing it too. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:19:22 EDT From: JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com Subject: Re: Photos in the Book The Chuck and Joni Photo Shows them Learning an Unrecorded Gordon Lightfoot Tune " When Spring was O're the Land". This is the First Song Joni would ever Record in a Studio. Perhaps my Favorite Item among my Collectibles is the Actually Sheet music in this Photo that Lightfoot had Giving to Chuck in 1966. Joey, **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:45:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: the brain, njc Hi Ya'll, I'm teaching neuroscience to the med students this term, and one of my students emailed this link to me and the class. It is really good for seeing how we need both hemispheres of our brains to be who we are, BOTH a connected and separate being with the universe. It also shows how our society and world could use us in our right hemisphere a little more. It is the integration of both hemispheres that probably results in geniuses like Joni. http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/229 Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC, snow and ice and too long winter - --- Laura Stanley wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > We haven't had a winter like this for a long > time and everyone is fed up with it, as if that does > any good. Mother Nature has her own plans. > > > Hi Catherine, > > I am hearing the same woes from a close friend of > mine in NY. Last year was so mild up your way until > right at the end of the season. Now it is winter > giving it's last few breaths. It won't survive much > longer. > You're right and we don't have it as bad as other places. I don't think we've broken the record of 1938-39 yet (over 200 cm). Ottawa and Montreal get it much worse and Newfoundland has had well over 400 cm. It is going up to 3C today and it is, believe it or not, foggy outside. It's supposed to stay above 0 for the next few days, so that should melt some. The next thing you know there will be a short burst of spring followed immediately by hot humid summer weather and everyone will be complaining about that. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: photos from the book And so did he. And I'm thinking he's probably not such a bad guy, I hope he gets the chance to tell his story sometime - I'll bet it contrasts a bit with the opinions we have of him based on what we've heard from Joni. Bob, who feels guilty to be surrounded by such unbelievably gorgeous weather today - no moody skies to be seen. NP: The Heartless Bastards, "No Pointing Arrows" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:54:06 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Re: Hejira Warning My policy is to keep my mouth shut because everyone knows what a freak I am about her. Anything I say is perceived as crazy talk. I have a brother-in-law who likes movies and anytime I suggest he watch a movie that I think is brilliant, he either doesn't watch the thing or if he does and I ask him about it (I always have to ask, "Did you watch it?") he shrugs and says, "Yeah, I guess it was okay." What a brat. It's frustrating, isn't it? Lindsay P.S. My theory on how "No Country for Old Men" became so highly acclaimed is that one perceived cognoscenti said they thought it was great and in order not to look like dopes, everyone jumped on the bandwagon. There was probably a big discussion on the list about it, but I've missed a lot of it the last few months. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Photos from the new book Now I know Larry Klein is quite a bit younger than Joni but whenever I see pictures of them together in the early 80's, he doesn't look as young as he was. In fact, she looks younger than she was at that time and he looks much older to me. They look almost the same age in the photos I see in the early 80's. Could be the facial hair maybe? Sometimes, in certain photos, he almost looks older than her (though of course he is not). -M - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:48:18 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Hejira Warning > P.S. My theory on how "No Country for Old Men" became so highly acclaimed > is that one perceived cognoscenti said they thought it was great and in > order not to look like dopes, everyone jumped on the bandwagon. There was > probably a big discussion on the list about it, but I've missed a lot of it > the last few months. I'm one who thought No Country for Old Men was a great movie, and as anyone who knows me knows, I am no jump on the bandwagon kind of guy. I thought it was half Hitchcock, half David Lynch, and all genius. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Photos from the new book - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Now I know Larry Klein is quite a bit younger than > Joni but whenever I see pictures of them together in > the early 80's, he doesn't look as young as he was. > In fact, she looks younger than she was at that time > and he looks much older to me. They look almost the > same age in the photos I see in the early 80's. > Could be the facial hair maybe? Sometimes, in > certain photos, he almost looks older than her > (though of course he is not). > -M > To me, every picture I've seen of Larry Klein looks completely different from any other picture I've seen of him, such that I really don't think I know what he looks like! Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:02:39 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: no country for old men/hejira warning > P.S. My theory on how "No Country for Old Men" became so highly acclaimed > is that one perceived cognoscenti said they thought it was great and in > order not to look like dopes, everyone jumped on the bandwagon. There was > probably a big discussion on the list about it, but I've missed a lot of > it > the last few months. Thanks for your comment on the movie Lindsay. I saw it for the first time last night, and it was very disturbing. The acting, action, and suspense kept me my attention throughout the movie. But I'm an old fashion type of guy and like to see the good guys win in the end. Realistically, there are probably people like the antagonist walking our streets today. Was the message evil will always be around us and we must be vigilant at all times. That good does not always win? Boy! it was a downer. On the same line, I make some cd's of Joni and give them to friends. More often than not, the people like the music but the lyrics are too thought provoking. Too intense. They just want to be entertained and relax by music. Sorta like the "good guys always win" thought I have for movies. just my 2 cents, gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re:hejira warning I have given only two friends Joni mixed cds or mixed cds with a few Joni songs on them---one a good friend of mine who loves Joni now and an ex boyfriend who I gave a mixed cd of music I liked when we were dating. He only responded that Joni's songs were "ok." I should have walked out right there and then! Anyhow, I always talk Joni up but when I give someone a cd, I nag them about it. I always ask, "did you listen to it yet? Did you listen to it yet?" I do so until they listen! Music is impoartant! -Monika NR: The Book Thief by Markus Zusak gene wrote: On the same line, I make some cd's of Joni and give them to friends. More often than not, the people like the music but the lyrics are too thought provoking. Too intense. They just want to be entertained and relax by music. Sorta like the "good guys always win" thought I have for movies. just my 2 cents, gene - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: Re: Photos from the new book - --- Gary Z wrote: > Actually, I believe that particular photo was taken > in the "tenement > castle" that Joni and Chuck rented in Detroit ... Guess I'm homesick for my former home! Looks like NYC to me (but then lots of things do these days). Joni must have been much happier in her earlier Chelsea Morning apartment. Thanks for the corrected info, Gary. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:02:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Twisted (Joni related content, but really NJC) Annie Ross with Count Basie on piano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StDLnFrbi78 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:34:03 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: Hejira Warning Oh Bob that made me laugh because I feel like some sort of door to door religion salesman when I gift Joni - I have a friend who I know would absolutely love Joni if she would only have the "Joni epipheny" listening to one of her albums. You see, she already had one of those ghastly compilations (I don't remember which one) and then she ordered Clouds. Well, call me cynical, but Clouds ain't gonna convert anybody. So then I made her buy Blue, because it was the one that rocked my world, but then when she said it was good but didn't call me in the middle of the night crying "touching souls... Joni touched mine!" I realized that perhaps Blue worked for me because I was 17 when I discovered it, and she's, well, not 17. SO, for Xmas I sent her C&S and FTR, hoping that these would work, but I've had to refrain from sending a detailed email explaining who and what all the songs are about. I figured C&S would be more up her alley since she is re ally into Tapestry, and I threw the FTR in there for the heck of it, since FTR is now, after years of resistance, probably my almost favorite Joni album (they rotate, but FTR, HOSL, and DJRD are tops for me right now). So, after all those years of wondering what was wrong with everyone who chose FTR as their favorite (Ashara, Kakki, et al), I get it now. Now if only I could get a shine for Shine.... Anyway, I haven't got much of a response about the gifts - I really want to ask, but I don't want to put the pressure on. Ah well, I guess it just shows that our work here is far from done ;) Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC No Country For Old Men Nope, there wasn't and you didn't miss it. I JUST DID see it, watched it with my Dad and then drove home and clicked on email and there's your synchronicitous message. Anyway, I'm with Jerry - I thought it was excellent, but you have to like the Coens' brand of darkness and a strong stomach for violence helps too. The adapted screenplay was simply amazing, and Tommy Lee Jones is always enjoyable to watch as is Javier. Bob NP: Dave Mathews Band, "Two Step" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:54:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC No Country For Old Men And Josh Brolin was terrific, also. Bob Muller wrote: > probably a big discussion on the list about it,> > > Nope, there wasn't and you didn't miss it. I JUST DID see it, watched it > with my Dad and then drove home and clicked on email and there's your > synchronicitous message. > > Anyway, I'm with Jerry - I thought it was excellent, but you have to like > the Coens' brand of darkness and a strong stomach for violence helps too. > The adapted screenplay was simply amazing, and Tommy Lee Jones is always > enjoyable to watch as is Javier. > > Bob > > NP: Dave Mathews Band, "Two Step" > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:09:22 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Hejira warning The other day I discovered that a long-time colleague of mine had Shine in her car! I never knew she liked Joni - we just never got to talk about her - but I knew she likes jazz. So I asked her what else she had of Joni's and she replied that Shine was the only cd, she didn't really know that much about Joni. So of course, as we were sharing a ride, I immediately recommended Hejira, which for the time being is my favourite. Now, reading about your experiences, I wonder if maybe I shouldn't have. I haven't heard from her since then so I don't know if she did buy Hejira. Maybe Mingus would have been a better choice, considering my colleague's interest in jazz (she plays the saxophone quite nicely). Then again, for the same reason, if she didn't like Mingus that would be the end of her interest in Joni. And I am just so glad I found somebody within my immediate circle of people who even knows something about Joni so I don't want to risk it. Funny how being a "Joni person" can get you into predicaments like this one, isn't it? Marion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida Hi Vince! I just read your "Word" post and it makes me laugh. :o)) (I sincerely needed an afternoon laugh after all of the frustrating economic and political news of the U.S. of A, that I feel super and extremely exhausted.) Your simple, single word says it all. A slam dunk!! A word of "Peace" to you, too, Vince. Thank you, kindly. Truly, Jeannie David Eoll wrote: > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida > > As for democracy, America's idea of democracy has quite a few dents in it. Word. Peace, David Eoll ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:58:28 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: RE: Misc Music News now sjc Oh Patti, That is one of my most favorite quotes! Thank you for including it! So happy to hear that Paul McCartney, Queen and Annie Lennox will be playing to honor Nelson. How wonderful! Yes, I wish Joni would go as well!!! Sherelle> From: loveuconn@hotmail.com> To: joni@smoe.org; treegreen1@hotmail.com; sherellesmith@hotmail.com> Subject: Misc Music News now sjc> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:26:01 +0000> > > These are always so interesting. Muchas gracias, amigo!> > "Paul McCartney, Annie Lennox and Queen will play London's Hyde Park on June 27 to honor Nelson Mandela on his 90th birthday. "> > Quelle synchronicity! Someone just sent me this wonderful Mandela quote this morning:> > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us, it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."> > (Pssssst....Joni! Hi Joni!!! You should go, too, and sing Shine for him. C'mon, Joni. You could take an ocean-liner -- you know you love to watch that green water in motion. And they'd probably let you smoke on the deck. Pack your suspenders! I'm sure that Queen Lucy or Jamie or some Jonibody would be happy to pick you up.)> > "Joan Baez' new CD is being produced by Steve Earle, who also has 3 of his songs on the disc. Expect late summer/early fall release. Says Earle: "It's a fuckin' great record, man"."> > Ooh la la! Vive l'esprit de Camp Casey. Bring it ON! (Or, in Jonispeak: I call out for it to be released!)> > In my search for peace, that don't seem to cease,> > Patti P.> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________> Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power.> http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:31:09 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour > From: "Randy Remote" > Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour > > >>I just can't help it. I cannot take an organization seriously that >>honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows >>the same honor on....Madonna >>Mark in Seattle My parents' generation had Leonard, Joni, Judy, et al. My generation had Madonna. Now they've got Britany. WTF is happening? > Madonna is to rock and roll as Steven Hawking is to pole vaulting. *cough*, *cough*, *sputter*... Stephen Hawking? I'll grant Madonna is not entirely devoid of talent, but Hawking is a serious freaking genius. Maybe its just me, but I don't think Madonna is the Stephen Hawking of anything. > *also, The Ventures' 2 song set, Mellencamp's 3 songs. John Mellencamp was one of the (few) bright spots of the 80s, which for the most part sucked, IMHO. Stevie Ray Vaughn was another rare gem. I remember hearing Pride and Joy for the first time on the radio, and thinking "Who is this guy, and why doesn't he suck?" And I remember my friends at the time making fun of the song, and me staring at them in disbelief, thinking "What, are you all deaf? Hate music, or something?" Going through high school was hell enough for me, but doing it in the musical doldrums of the 80s was worse. And that hair. And the clothes. And Reagan. And Mr. T. Ugh. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:35:08 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour NJC Sorry, I should've added NJC to the subject. My bad. David Eoll wrote: > > From: "Randy Remote" > > Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour > > > > > >>I just can't help it. I cannot take an organization seriously that > >>honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows > >>the same honor on....Madonna > >>Mark in Seattle > > My parents' generation had Leonard, Joni, Judy, et al. My generation > had Madonna. Now they've got Britany. WTF is happening? > > > Madonna is to rock and roll as Steven Hawking is to pole vaulting. > > *cough*, *cough*, *sputter*... Stephen Hawking? I'll grant Madonna is > not entirely devoid of talent, but Hawking is a serious freaking genius. > Maybe its just me, but I don't think Madonna is the Stephen Hawking of > anything. > > > *also, The Ventures' 2 song set, Mellencamp's 3 songs. > > John Mellencamp was one of the (few) bright spots of the 80s, which for > the most part sucked, IMHO. Stevie Ray Vaughn was another rare gem. I > remember hearing Pride and Joy for the first time on the radio, and > thinking "Who is this guy, and why doesn't he suck?" And I remember my > friends at the time making fun of the song, and me staring at them in > disbelief, thinking "What, are you all deaf? Hate music, or something?" > Going through high school was hell enough for me, but doing it in the > musical doldrums of the 80s was worse. And that hair. And the clothes. > And Reagan. And Mr. T. Ugh. > > Peace, > David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:38:39 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: re: Michigan, njc > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Michigan, njc > > Monika asked: > > Why did anyone even show up to vote if everyone was told it wouldn't count anyhow? > > > Hi Monika, > > I think they were hoping their vote would eventually count because > they really believed in the candidate they voted for and hoped to be > treated equally. I have family and close friends (including my best > friend) in Florida and family and friends in Michigan too since that > is where my parents grew up. They haven't done anything wrong, and > the greater crime against democracy would be to penalize them rather > than the officials who made a bad decision. I agree with all of that. The trick is to do right by those people without penalizing the people who DIDN'T vote because they were told in good faith that the election wouldn't count. Let's be fair, but let's be fair to everyone. (I know I said I wouldn't post any more about politics, but I really can't help myself.) > > Love, > Laura Love you too, :) David PS Where in Michigan are your parent from? My mom's from Jackson, dad's from Detroit. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:11:21 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Photos from the new book, and Cohen, and stuff NJC > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: Photos from the new book > > And look at Carly and JT. Ooh la la! I'm looking. Wow. *pant*, *pant* Honestly? I'm trying to mentally remove JT from the picture and replace him with me. :) > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour > > My first introduction to Leonard Cohen -- like many of us, I daresay - -- was Judy Collins' 1967 Wildflowers. I loved Sisters of Mercy (it's npimh). npimh, too. "They touched both my eyes, and I touched the dew on their hem." Beautiful. The song reminds me of two friends of mine from long ago that helped me through some rough times. They were actually sisters, now that I think of it. Funny that. "We weren't lovers like that and besides it would still be all right." I love the horn in that. I've always been a big fan of brass. If you loved Wildflowers, then I hope you listened to the album right before it: In My Life (1966). There's more Cohen on that album. Suzanne, in particular, haunts me. Trivia: That song, and actually that version of that song inspired Jack Bruce, of Cream, to write Tales of Brave Ulysses on the Disreali Gears album. Ironic, because Suzanne is such a gentle song, one of the most romantic songs I know, really, and it inspired one of the heavier songs by one of the heaviest bands of that era. I wonder if Judy is aware of this. Probably. Given the eclectic range of music she drew on to do her inspired renditions, I get the impression there wasn't a whole lot that went on in the music world that she wasn't aware of. Cohen's imagery is just breathtaking, though, isn't it? So, if you haven't heard In My Life yet, you should definitely check it out. It was the album that marked Judy's clear departure from folk music. > Wow, did I ever play that album over and over again on my little blue plastic record player in my room with the hot pink and orange daisies all over the place. Ha! My first "turntable" was a little Fisher-Price record player. It had 4 speeds: 16, 33-1/3, 45, and 78. That was a load of fun in itself. I'm sure the intended use of this record player was to play little children's sing along records, and stuff. What I in fact played was mostly Beatles, Wings, Alice Cooper, Elton John, Stevie Wonder, the Who, and Grand Funk. WooHoo! I may have been only three (seven, actually), but I was swinging! Didn't have the hot pink daisies, though. > P.S. Just went you-tubing for Sisters of Mercy. Couldn't find that but found another gem: Graham interviewing Judy and then Steven comes out to play. Sweet! I've seen that before, and it is definitely sweet. I think that was from a TV broadcast in 1989, 20 years after she first did the song. And it has now been almost 20 years since that. Wow, that is a sobering thought, especially since I just suffered another birthday yesterday. The good news is I'm no longer 40. ;) Thanks for the link, because in the related videos, I discovered a treasure trove of Stephen Stills & Manassas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlNT5w7Mjmo&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZQYDW6lL0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRuoSaFcoZ4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYZIJ1kVtqE&feature=related Looks like they're all from the same TV broadcast. You'll note that Chris Hill, the original bass player from the Byrds, and later of Flying Burrito Brothers fame, is playing rhythm guitar. Damn, those hippies could boogie, though, couldn't they? Manassas is definitely in my Desert Island Top 5 Records. I'm sorry, call me a throw back, but about 90% of the music I like to listen to was recorded between about 1964 and 1972, and that's just the way it is. Actually, why should I be sorry? I like to listen to music that sounds good to me. And I ain't sayin' I listen to everything from that era. There was lots of crappy music then, too. You can keep your incense, and your peppermints, and your Turtles, and your Association. And you can definitely keep your Freedom Rock. But give me my Beatles, and my Stones, and my Grateful Dead, and my Joni, Judy, and Laura Nyro, and my Jefferson Airplane (before Marty left), and my Hendrix, and my Janis, and my Dylan, and the Band, and the Byrds, and my Fleetwood Mac (before Stevie Nicks arrived). Oh, and my Simon & Garfunkel, and of course my CSN&Y in all their permutations. And laugh if you want, but I'm keeping Peter, Paul, and Mary, although there have been some embarrassing moments pulling up to a traffic light with Puff the Magic Dragon blaring out my car window. But, y'know what? F*** 'em if they don't understand me. I'm me, damn it, and I'm proud. You can keep the Mamas & the Papas, although Cass Elliott sang a Lennon tune that I loved, I Call Your Name. Can I keep just that one song? (Why do I have an image in my head of Steve Martin shuffling down the sidewalk in a bathrobe with a double armful of junk?) "You can take all the Billy Joel ... except for The Stranger." Keep On Truckin', David PS Wow, you people make me want to talk, I guess. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #605 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------