From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #604 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 14 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 604 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour ["Randy Remote" ] Re: More Voices (Cohen & Madonna) [PassScribe@aol.com] Hejira Warning [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Hejira Warning [Em ] Re: Hejira Warning [Michael Flaherty ] RE: More Voices (Cohen & Madonna) [anon anon ] njc, Stevie Wonder sings Barack Obama [Patti Parlette ] Girls Like Us reviews [Patti Parlette ] Re: Hejira Warning [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida ["Lori Fye" ] Photos from the new book [Patti Parlette ] FW: Photos from the new book ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Photos from the new book [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC snow and ice and too-long winter [Catherine McKay ] Joni Covers, Volume 98 - information and opinions [Stewart.Simon@sunlif] Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour [Patti Parlette ] Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida -- now the U.S. Constitution ["Lori Fye"] R&R HoF Photo Essay Class of 2008 - NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: Clinton and Ferraro NJC [David Eoll ] Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Clinton and Ferraro NJC ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary [David Eoll] RE: Photos from the new book [dsknyc05 ] Re: njc, Geraldine on Barack [David Eoll ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:40:55 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour > I just can't help it. I cannot take an organization seriously that > honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows > the same honor on....Madonna > Mark in Seattle I hear ya, still, it was one of the high points* of the night when Leonard recited some of the verses to the great "Tower of Song", after which Damien Rice delivered a lovely solo rendition of "Halleluah". Also funny when Cohen recalled the Rolling Stone writer who wrote "I have seen the future of rock and roll, and it's not Leonard Cohen". Madonna is to rock and roll as Steven Hawking is to pole vaulting. I do think she is a genuis...of self promotion. And I do enjoy some of her recordings, despite all that. RR *also, The Ventures' 2 song set, Mellencamp's 3 songs. The rest, a masochist's dream, 4 hours of too many long-winded speeches, esp. Tom Hanks' overcooked homage to the inconsequential Dave Clark Five, and Justin Timberlake's self-impressed intro to Madonna's ode to self. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Michigan, njc Monika asked: Why did anyone even show up to vote if everyone was told it wouldn't count anyhow? Hi Monika, I think they were hoping their vote would eventually count because they really believed in the candidate they voted for and hoped to be treated equally. I have family and close friends (including my best friend) in Florida and family and friends in Michigan too since that is where my parents grew up. They haven't done anything wrong, and the greater crime against democracy would be to penalize them rather than the officials who made a bad decision. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:46:46 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: More Voices (Cohen & Madonna) > From: "Mark Scott" > Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link > I cannot take an organization seriously that > honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows > the same honor on....Madonna. > > You know, Mark, it's funny... my last post was about Joni's voice. Now, I'm not a big Cohen fan (another voice I just don't like) OR a Madonna fan (not into that pretentous thing), but I respect Cohen as a great songwriter and Madonna as a great singer. Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:39:28 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Hejira Warning Perhaps some of you will remember my mentioning giving my copy of Hejira to a friend as a gift last week. Well, I followed up with her this week to see what she thought of it, and she said that she was afraid to listen to it now as there was TOO MUCH PRESSURE on it (I told her when I gave it to her that it's the greatest album ever recorded). Just a word of warning to those of you who gift Hejira in the future...learn from my mistake. When you give someone Hejira, DO NOT tell them that it is the greatest album ever recorded, instead just say one of the following: 1. I bought this at a yard sale and it made me think of you. 2. Here's a CD that I think you might like - I think it's pretty good (note: practice this one a couple of times so you can say it with a straight face) 3. Happy Birthday - don't know if you already have this one or not. 4. I bought this for you because it has such an interesting title. 5. I know you like good photography so I thought you'd appreciate this album cover - I only hope the music on the disc is as good. 6. When I saw the beret I thought it was a Rickie Lee Jones CD - since it's not, I don't need it, you can have it. In so doing you can hopefully avoid the pitfall that I put on the situation. Bob, always up for performing a public service NP: Joni, "I Had A king" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Here's a CD that I think you might like - I think it's pretty good > > (note: practice this one a couple of times so you can say it with a > straight face) > 3. Happy Birthday - don't know if you already have this one or not. > 4. I bought this for you because it has such an interesting title. > 5. I know you like good photography so I thought you'd appreciate > this > album cover - I only hope the music on the disc is as good. > 6. When I saw the beret I thought it was a Rickie Lee Jones CD - > since > it's not, I don't need it, you can have it. > > In so doing you can hopefully avoid the pitfall that I put on the > situation. > > Bob, always up for performing a public service ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Hejira Warning >>>1. I bought this at a yard sale and it made me think of you. I don't know, Bob. Considering some of the lyrics, I'd be careful who I said this to. ;) Michael F. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:00:05 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: More Voices (Cohen & Madonna) > From: PassScribe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:46:46 -0400> Subject: Re: More Voices (Cohen & Madonna)> To: joni@smoe.org> > > From: "Mark Scott" > > Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link> > I cannot take an organization seriously that> > honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows> > the same honor on....Madonna.> >> >> You know, Mark, it's funny... my last post was about Joni's voice. Now,> I'm not a big Cohen fan (another voice I just don't like) OR a Madonna fan> (not into that pretentous thing), but I respect Cohen as a great songwriter> and> Madonna as a great singer.> > Kenny B> I love Leonard Cohen's songwriting AND his voice... Is it a technically great voice? no, of course not. But, as Robert Christgau pointed out long ago, it is the "most intimate voice in popular music". It ls pleasing to the ear, and able to cut to the bone, more then conventionally "pretty" voices can. Madonna sung a few fairly decent songs, but it is a shame that she has maybe 1% of the talent that Leonard has, and is about 1000 times better paid and well known... _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:45:26 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Stevie Wonder sings Barack Obama EXTREMELY POLITICAL CONTENT. "Don't say I didn't warn ya!" But there's music, too, Uncle Oddmund! ; ) All this talk about Stevie Wonder and Barack Obama now, and then -- quelle coincidence -- I get this message from a new friend of spirit: "This video was produced by a pal of mine in NYC. Anything with Stevie Wonder in it is a-OK by me! If you like it, please pass it on!" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-j-davis/barack-obama-the-musical_b_91150.html Signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC Ah, language is a crazy thing. I stress crazy even more when talking about the English language. As for the snow, it hasn't melted yet. It hasn't been as warm as they said it was going to be. Hopefully today that nasty white fluff will disappear (upper 40's). Can it melt and just go away forever? Please? -M Lori Fye wrote: Fellow Ohioan Monika wrote, of "irregardless:" > Well, actually it is a word. It appears both in the Merriam Webster > and Oxford dictionaries. Look for yourself. It is not popular just yet > (or widely accepted) since it is a double negative and technically > doesn't make sense (sort of like the phrase "I could care less" which > should be "I couldn't care less"). I knew you'd call me on that, Monika. I knew the word appears in some dictionaries; I'm just being curmudeonly because I'm going to turn 50 this year and I do lament the demise of rules of language. Anyway, good on ya. : ) Has the snow melted at all? Lori, formerly of North Canton now of Santa Rosa - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: More Voices (Cohen & Madonna) Well I think an organization called "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" has some questionable entries. If I was in charge, I wouldn't put half of the people who have been inducted in there since they are clearly not "rock." I can understand branches of rock--folk rock, prog rock, classic rock, etc etc but some of the bands/artists in it are just silly. I think if the Rock Hall was the Music Hall of Fame, I'd put Madonna in just for her success as an entertainer and determination to succeed. She's much more an entertainer than anything else whereas Cohen is a songwriter. -M, not a Madonna fan and not too familiar with Leonard Cohen's work PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > From: "Mark Scott" > Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link > I cannot take an organization seriously that > honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows > the same honor on....Madonna. > > You know, Mark, it's funny... my last post was about Joni's voice. Now, I'm not a big Cohen fan (another voice I just don't like) OR a Madonna fan (not into that pretentous thing), but I respect Cohen as a great songwriter and Madonna as a great singer. Kenny B ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Hejira Warning Good one Bob. You scared her off! But if I were Joni, I'd hire you as my PR/Press person. -M Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Perhaps some of you will remember my mentioning giving my copy of Hejira to a friend as a gift last week. Well, I followed up with her this week to see what she thought of it, and she said that she was afraid to listen to it now as there was TOO MUCH PRESSURE on it (I told her when I gave it to her that it's the greatest album ever recorded). Just a word of warning to those of you who gift Hejira in the future...learn from my mistake. When you give someone Hejira, DO NOT tell them that it is the greatest album ever recorded, instead just say one of the following: 1. I bought this at a yard sale and it made me think of you. 2. Here's a CD that I think you might like - I think it's pretty good (note: practice this one a couple of times so you can say it with a straight face) 3. Happy Birthday - don't know if you already have this one or not. 4. I bought this for you because it has such an interesting title. 5. I know you like good photography so I thought you'd appreciate this album cover - I only hope the music on the disc is as good. 6. When I saw the beret I thought it was a Rickie Lee Jones CD - since it's not, I don't need it, you can have it. In so doing you can hopefully avoid the pitfall that I put on the situation. Bob, always up for performing a public service NP: Joni, "I Had A king" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Love, Patti P., with a mighty mighty thirst to read this book _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:49:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Hejira Warning You wouldn't be saying that if you were here when Travelogue came out, or when she was putting out compilations every other month. I wasn't a very good Joni PR person then. Bob NP: Rickie Lee, "A Stranger's Car" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I would say that about the Bible (and similar books) before I'd say that about the U.S. Constitution. But you do have a point, Monika. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:02:42 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Photos from the new book Underneath the picture of the book, there are five photographs, four of which I have never seen before. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Girls-like-Us/Sheila-Weller/e/9780743491471/?itm=2 Who's the man with Joni in picture #5? And look at Carly and JT. Ooh la la! Think that was their honeymoon? Hot ginger and dynamite! Looks like he might burn her hair with that cigarette, though. Hot hot blazes, come down in smoke and ash. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:19:59 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: FW: Photos from the new book - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:18 PM To: 'Patti Parlette' Subject: RE: Photos from the new book Chuck Mitchell in #5 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Patti Parlette Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:03 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Photos from the new book Underneath the picture of the book, there are five photographs, four of which I have never seen before. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Girls-like-Us/Sheila-Weller/e/9780743491471 /?itm=2 Who's the man with Joni in picture #5? And look at Carly and JT. Ooh la la! Think that was their honeymoon? Hot ginger and dynamite! Looks like he might burn her hair with that cigarette, though. Hot hot blazes, come down in smoke and ash. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:34:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Photos from the new book That would be your basic Chuck Mitchell - they're probably in the tenement castle. I am also excited about this book. Bob NP: Amy Correia, "Chinatown" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Please? > -M They keep on telling us it's going to get warmer tomorrow and then tomorrow comes, and it's not any warmer. I'm really tired of seeing snow - and ICE - everywhere. Most people, both homeowners and businesses, do a very poor job of clearing their sidewalks, which means in some places, it's basically just a footpath with mounds of hard icy snow on either side. We haven't had a winter like this for a long time and everyone is fed up with it, as if that does any good. Mother Nature has her own plans. Have you ever noticed that when the meteorologists call for bad weather, they're almost always right; but when they call for good weather, they're almost always wrong? Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:54:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida Hence the amendments...the option would be to write a CONSTITUTION every so often which would really be a disaster. Imagine if our current President and his band of idiots had THAT choice...they've done enough damage to it as it is. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml Bob NP: Damien Rice, "Accidental Babies" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I cannot take an organization seriously that honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows the same honor on....Madonna. Personally, I think Joni was right on when she skipped that particular 'honor' at the time she was inducted. **** I think Leonard agrees with you, Mark. I caught one of those scrolling newsbanners on CNN yesterday that quoted him: "I have seen the future of rock and roll and it is not Leonard Cohen." Ha ha. My first introduction to Leonard Cohen -- like many of us, I daresay -- was Judy Collins' 1967 Wildflowers. I loved Sisters of Mercy (it's npimh). And then of course, Joni's BSN and Michael From Mountains. Wow, did I ever play that album over and over again on my little blue plastic record player in my room with the hot pink and orange daisies all over the place. And so it began....Meet the Joni! (As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, amen!) Love, Patti P. P.S. Just went you-tubing for Sisters of Mercy. Couldn't find that but found another gem: Graham interviewing Judy and then Steven comes out to play. Sweet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKzDvY10Fkw&feature=related _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:23:27 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: Photos from the new book > That's Chuck. It does say who's who in the pictures, > although it's not as obvious in some as in others. If > those pics are in the book, that alone might be worth > the price. I love the one of Carly as an 8-yr-old with > a missing tooth. > Thanks, everyJonibody. Chuck. But of course! Et merci, CoT. I did not see the captions at first. (Weak and a lazy mind did not scroll down.) And "tenement castle" -- LOL Bob! Sitting there with their reel to reel... xo, pp P.S. Look, Ma! No politics! _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:10:34 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida -- now the U.S. Constitution << You need to move with the changes otherwise you become stale and irrelevant. >> < Hence the amendments...the option would be to write a CONSTITUTION every so often which would really be a disaster. Imagine if our current President and his band of idiots had THAT choice...they've done enough damage to it as it is. > Now THAT is a truly excellent point, Bob (and thanks for the Capitol Hill Blue link, http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml ). I find it strange that Bush & Co. would rather adhere to a 2,000+ year old document (the Bible) than adhere to the 200+ year old U.S. Constitution, the latter of which he swore to defend and uphold when he took office. I also swore to defend the Constitution every time I raised my hand to enlist in the Air Force, and I took that oath very seriously and still do. The Constitution is the very first thing a person joining the military agrees to support and defend. Really, it's a hell of a slap in the face to the military that Bush considers the Constitution "just a goddamned piece of paper." I wonder how many of our troops know his opinion about it? Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:54:24 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: R&R HoF Photo Essay Class of 2008 - NJC http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/2008/rock_hall_fame_2008/ Some excellent photos and a short bio on each of the RnR Hall of Fame's 2008 inductees, including some fabulous shots of Leonard Cohen. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:31:38 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: Clinton and Ferraro NJC > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states > > David, Those statements are alarming to me because I want to find a way to > be passionately supportive of Clinton if she gains the nomination. My feelings about Clinton: I've never been crazy about the Clintons policy-wise. I've never forgiven Bill for NAFTA. We finally get Bush out of office after 12 years of Reagan/Bush, and what's one of the first things our new Democratic president does? He strong-arms Congress into passing Bush's bill! It was supposed to be Bush that got NAFTA through congress. That sucking sound we've been hearing since then is what Ross Perot warned us about. Both Bill and Hillary seem to me to have the interests of Big Business closer to heart than the interests of us commoners. Still, Hillary is a very well credentialed person, she's got a great resume. And it should be obvious that she worked hard to get where she is. She is a very intelligent and competent person, with a long career in government, corporate governance, and law, and is more than qualified to be the Chief Executive of the American Enterprise. Certainly more qualified than the no-account filling that role now. And she's a woman. Y'all are over half the population. Its about time a woman sits in the big chair. But, I think this country needs Big Change, on the order of the changes enacted in the 1930s. And I don't think Clinton, a former board member of WalMart, and other corporations, and a corporate attorney before that, will do it. I think she's too beholden to the monied interests in this country. I'm not sure Obama's the guy that will bring that change either, but I think we've got a better chance with the new guy, than with Team Clinton. I think this country needs bold leadership, and unfortunately the only candidates I've seen demonstrating actual leadership are no longer in the race. Chris Dodd and Dennis Kucinich have often made hard, and politically unpopular, decisions in Congress. Dodd in particular was one of the only people in Congress and the only presidential candidate to take a stand against the Bush administration's lawlessness by leading a filibuster of Bush's "lets make all the illegal crap we've been doing for seven years legal after the fact so we can avoid prosecution" FISA bill. That earned Dodd no new friends in Congress and pissed off a lot of his colleagues, especially among the party leadership. He suffered politically for it. But, he did it because it was right. Didn't MLK say something about at some point you need to make a decision between what's easy and what's right? Where were the other presidential candidates, many of whom are sitting Senators? Either late to the party, or not there at all. Clinton and Obama showed support only after it was clear that Dodd wasn't going to be drawn and quartered for his principled stance. Don't all jump at once, guys. My favorite leader in Congress and the guy I wanted to run for president is Feingold, Senator from WI. I think the man has more integrity in his little finger than most of the rest of Congress put together. And he regularly does what he believes is right, and not what is easy. I don't even agree with some of his actions, but I feel confident that he makes them based on his principles which I think are closely aligned with mine. But, he decided against running, although he was obviously considering it. Oh, well. I've rambled on long enough. > > I hope Clinton is not that calculating, as you mentioned, but you may be > right in that she is looking ahead to her future. She is a smart lady & I > imagine she's looking at all her options. Kate Okay, maybe I can ramble just a bit more. I'm becoming more and more appalled with her politics. This latest thing with Ferraro is a classic republican gambit. It's dog whistle politics. A surrogate makes some remark that is bound to be condemned by most, but not all, of the public. The candidate can then distance themselves from the comment and the commenter. They'll reject the comment, but not too strongly, or strenuously. The candidate can plausibly say that they've repudiated the comment. But, the damage is already done, whether the candidate condemns the message or not. The message is out there. The intended audience hears the dog whistle. In this case the dog whistle is "white resentment" against affirmative action. The clear meaning of Ferraro's words are that Obama is basically the token affirmative action candidate. He's occupying a place that could've been occupied by someone who actually earned it. And Hillary's response that Gerry's words were "regrettable" is tepid, to say the least. Contrast her response with that of Obama who immediately and unceremoniously fired one of his chief advisers recently for making an offensive remark about Clinton. The Obama staffer was cleaning out her desk by the end of the day. Gerry Ferraro was not only still on the Clinton campaign days later, she was actually going on morning shows and talk radio defending her remarks! And she eventually ended up resigning instead of being fired. Kudos to Obama, shame on Clinton. And anyway, the damage is done. The pissed off white guys who will be voting in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc, all heard it. Trouble is, if Obama wins the nomination, he'll still be damaged by these remarks in November. I just want want to avoid a 3rd term for Bush, which is basically was we'd be signing on for with a McCain presidency. Okay, so besides being a music junkie, I'm a political junkie, alright? Power to the People, David Eoll PS I do think y'all who are talking about media bias against Clinton are right on, though. The media hates the Clintons, they always have, although I'm not sure why. Just look at the difference in media treatment of Chelsea (ha! named after a Joni tune, I should change the subject to SJC) vs. the media treatment of the Bush twins. Night and day. PPS And I certainly don't want to belittle her accomplishments, which are considerable for anyone, never mind for a woman in paternalistic ol' America. And the crap about her riding Bill's coat-tails are just that: crap. That chick was going to go places with or without Bill. She already had a career in DC which she had to give up to move to Arkansas. She's cracked one glass ceiling after another for almost 40 years. She's really a poster child for the empowerment of women in this country. And I will not cry if she ends up winning the presidency, if only for that reason alone. 'Bout time. And she's done lots of good work for liberal causes (e.g. SCHIP). But her negatives outweigh her positives with me. And like I said, there needs to be a BIG push back against the corporate powers that basically rule our country. And Hillary's long ties to Big Business will preclude that. Obama may not be able to do it either, but, I like him better than Clinton right now. Okay, now I'm really through. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour >>I think Leonard agrees with you, Mark. I caught one of those scrolling newsbanners on CNN yesterday that quoted him: "I have seen the future of rock and roll and it is not Leonard Cohen." Ha ha. Just for the record, Leonard was quoting an early bad review. That said, I don't take the Hall of Fame seriously at all, although one day when I found myself with free time in Cleveland, I went to the museum itself and it was a lot of fun (in an amusement park sort of way). Michael Flaherty ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:24:47 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Clinton and Ferraro NJC I have been following Obama's career since he first ran for the Illinois state senate (I used to get the Chicago papers daily). Obama, I believe, will ahjve the courage to make the big changes. He has been a lecturer on constitutional law at U of Chicago; he has spoken passionately about the need to end torture, to keep to the Bill of Rights, to be the president we have needed. I believe he will be the president we need now. I share you affection for Feingold. A president who values civil liberties and the Bill of Rights - that is one reason I put the Obama sticker on the car in February 2007. Vince On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:31 PM, David Eoll wrote: > > From: "Kate Bennett" > > Subject: Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states > > > > David, Those statements are alarming to me because I want to find a way > to > > be passionately supportive of Clinton if she gains the nomination. > > My feelings about Clinton: I've never been crazy about the Clintons > policy-wise. I've never forgiven Bill for NAFTA. We finally get Bush > out of office after 12 years of Reagan/Bush, and what's one of the first > things our new Democratic president does? He strong-arms Congress into > passing Bush's bill! It was supposed to be Bush that got NAFTA through > congress. That sucking sound we've been hearing since then is what Ross > Perot warned us about. Both Bill and Hillary seem to me to have the > interests of Big Business closer to heart than the interests of us > commoners. Still, Hillary is a very well credentialed person, she's > got a great resume. And it should be obvious that she worked hard to > get where she is. She is a very intelligent and competent person, with > a long career in government, corporate governance, and law, and > is more than qualified to be the Chief Executive of the American > Enterprise. Certainly more qualified than the no-account filling that > role now. And she's a woman. Y'all are over half the population. Its > about time a woman sits in the big chair. > > But, I think this country needs Big Change, on the order of the changes > enacted in the 1930s. And I don't think Clinton, a former board member > of WalMart, and other corporations, and a corporate attorney before > that, will do it. I think she's too beholden to the monied interests in > this country. I'm not sure Obama's the guy that will bring that change > either, but I think we've got a better chance with the new guy, than > with Team Clinton. I think this country needs bold leadership, and > unfortunately the only candidates I've seen demonstrating actual > leadership are no longer in the race. Chris Dodd and Dennis Kucinich > have often made hard, and politically unpopular, decisions in Congress. > Dodd in particular was one of the only people in Congress and the only > presidential candidate to take a stand against the Bush administration's > lawlessness by leading a filibuster of Bush's "lets make all the illegal > crap we've been doing for seven years legal after the fact so we can > avoid prosecution" FISA bill. That earned Dodd no new friends in > Congress and pissed off a lot of his colleagues, especially among the > party leadership. He suffered politically for it. But, he did it > because it was right. Didn't MLK say something about at some point you > need to make a decision between what's easy and what's right? Where > were the other presidential candidates, many of whom are sitting > Senators? Either late to the party, or not there at all. Clinton and > Obama showed support only after it was clear that Dodd wasn't going to > be drawn and quartered for his principled stance. Don't all jump at > once, guys. > > My favorite leader in Congress and the guy I wanted to run for president > is Feingold, Senator from WI. I think the man has more integrity in his > little finger than most of the rest of Congress put together. And he > regularly does what he believes is right, and not what is easy. I don't > even agree with some of his actions, but I feel confident that he makes > them based on his principles which I think are closely aligned with > mine. But, he decided against running, although he was obviously > considering it. Oh, well. > > I've rambled on long enough. > > > > > I hope Clinton is not that calculating, as you mentioned, but you may be > > right in that she is looking ahead to her future. She is a smart lady & > I > > imagine she's looking at all her options. Kate > > Okay, maybe I can ramble just a bit more. I'm becoming more and more > appalled with her politics. This latest thing with Ferraro is a classic > republican gambit. It's dog whistle politics. A surrogate makes some > remark that is bound to be condemned by most, but not all, of the > public. The candidate can then distance themselves from the comment and > the commenter. They'll reject the comment, but not too strongly, or > strenuously. The candidate can plausibly say that they've repudiated > the comment. But, the damage is already done, whether the candidate > condemns the message or not. The message is out there. The intended > audience hears the dog whistle. In this case the dog whistle is "white > resentment" against affirmative action. The clear meaning of Ferraro's > words are that Obama is basically the token affirmative action > candidate. He's occupying a place that could've been occupied by > someone who actually earned it. And Hillary's response that Gerry's > words were "regrettable" is tepid, to say the least. Contrast her > response with that of Obama who immediately and unceremoniously fired > one of his chief advisers recently for making an offensive remark about > Clinton. The Obama staffer was cleaning out her desk by the end of the > day. Gerry Ferraro was not only still on the Clinton campaign days > later, she was actually going on morning shows and talk radio defending > her remarks! And she eventually ended up resigning instead of being > fired. Kudos to Obama, shame on Clinton. And anyway, the damage is > done. The pissed off white guys who will be voting in Pennsylvania, > West Virginia, etc, all heard it. Trouble is, if Obama wins the > nomination, he'll still be damaged by these remarks in November. I just > want want to avoid a 3rd term for Bush, which is basically was we'd be > signing on for with a McCain presidency. > > Okay, so besides being a music junkie, I'm a political junkie, alright? > > > Power to the People, > David Eoll > > PS I do think y'all who are talking about media bias against Clinton > are right on, though. The media hates the Clintons, they always have, > although I'm not sure why. Just look at the difference in media > treatment of Chelsea (ha! named after a Joni tune, I should change the > subject to SJC) vs. the media treatment of the Bush twins. Night and day. > > PPS And I certainly don't want to belittle her accomplishments, which > are considerable for anyone, never mind for a woman in paternalistic ol' > America. And the crap about her riding Bill's coat-tails are just that: > crap. That chick was going to go places with or without Bill. She > already had a career in DC which she had to give up to move to Arkansas. > She's cracked one glass ceiling after another for almost 40 years. > She's really a poster child for the empowerment of women in this > country. And I will not cry if she ends up winning the presidency, if > only for that reason alone. 'Bout time. And she's done lots of good > work for liberal causes (e.g. SCHIP). But her negatives outweigh her > positives with me. And like I said, there needs to be a BIG push back > against the corporate powers that basically rule our country. And > Hillary's long ties to Big Business will preclude that. Obama may not > be able to do it either, but, I like him better than Clinton right now. > > Okay, now I'm really through. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:16:04 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary > From: "Lori Fye" > Subject: Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary > > >>Since the Joni Mitchell Discussion List >>has turned into the The American Election >>and Democratic nomination Discussion list >>lately > > > Sorry about that. At the beginning of the year I requested that we not "go > there" even though I knew it was pretty much pointless to make that > request. Sigh ... (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jmdlpc) Sorry. I can't help myself. I'll try to make this my last political post (at least here). In my defense, I didn't start it. But, when I saw all the threads in the open list, I just couldn't help it. I got sucked in. Is there rehab for political junkies? Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: dsknyc05 Subject: RE: Photos from the new book - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Thanks, everyJonibody. Chuck. But of course! > > ... And > "tenement castle" -- LOL Bob! > Sitting there with their reel to reel... Yes, Joni and her king in their tenement castle in Chelsea NYC. The neighborhood still has some of those old apartments -- not much floor space, tall ceilings and big huge windows with wooden frames that rattle in the winter from the wind coming through. Brrr! Such tenement buildings are five floors tall (any taller and building code requires an elevator). Higher the floor, cheaper the rent. So Joni and Chuck probably walked up at least four long narrow flights of stairs to get home. Lots of sunlight could come in through those big windows on the higher floors. On a happy day, it would be like butterscotch. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:11:18 -0400 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: njc, Geraldine on Barack > From: "Vince Lavieri" > Subject: Re: njc, Geraldine on Barack > > Ferraro not stepping away from the campaign will ensure a heavy > turnout of Obama voters in PA so just as well she stays on from that > viewpoint. There are plenty of Archie Bunker types in PA who'll agree with Ferraro, and I think that's who the remark was intended for. Call me cynical, but no way do I think Ferraro's remarks were unintentional. It was deliberate. I think she was throwing an elbow, to use a basketball metaphor. You know you're going to get benched for it, but only after your intentional foul has had the desired affect of knocking your opponent on his ass. I.e. the punishment doesn't undo the effects of the crime. Just MHO. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #604 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------