From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #603 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 13 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 603 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Michigan, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: Michigan, njc ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Michigan, njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: njc, Geraldine on Barack [Monika Bogdanowicz ] NJC A bit disturbing [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Michigan, njc [Em ] Re: NJC, Hillary ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Warninn NOn politcal content whatsoever !!! ["Oddmund Kaarevik" <] Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour ["Barbara Stewart" ] Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary ["Lori Fye"] Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour - NJC [Jerry Notar] Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] njc, Geraldine on Barack -- Bad dreams are good? [Patti Parlette ] RE: NJC, Hillary ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni's Voice [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: NJC, Hillary ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary [Monika Bog] Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Michigan, njc Vince wrote: Running against "uncommitted" Sen Clinton got 55% of the vote which is nothing to brag about Hi Vince, Interesting number... close to the results in Mississippi yesterday for Obama. It is a slim margin but a slim margin of delegates might decide the race in the end given that both candidates will fall short of the number it takes to win the nomination. I am of the opinion that the most fair thing to do would be to share the ticket. Otherwise, half of the party will be dissatisfied. Love, Laura (who is for all the voters being heard and not impressed with Caucuses) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:47:36 -0400 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Michigan, njc Good morning Laura. I am trying very hard to make this an exchange of information in a friendly conversation, not an argument. In Mississippi, Obama got 61% of the vote according to AP: With 99 percent of the vote counted, Obama had 61 percent to 37 percent for > Clinton. An Obama-Clinton ticket would be interesting. I have no way of knowing of course who Obama might take as his running mate. The dissatisfaction with the "primary that violated DNC rules which was Michigan" is not driven by the supporters of one candidate, it is a massive dissatisfaction that so many people feel. I know Clinton voters who did not vote in a primary we were told was meaningless, Obama voters the same, and Edwards voters as well, plus those who still have not made up their minds. A caucus is a very fine way to choose delegates. Between a primary and a caucus, it is six on the one side, half a dozen on the other. There are many ways to hold a caucus. I ran the county caucuses in 2004. In that instance we held the caucus open for about six hours and ran it like an election, the difference being the taxpayers did not pay for it, and only those who declared as Democrats took part. Michigan has had caucuses since 1976 because in 1972 a lot of Republicans crossed over and voted for George Wallace, who then won the Michigan primary. A happy and blessed day to you! Vince On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Vince wrote: > > Running against "uncommitted" Sen Clinton got 55% of the vote which is > nothing to brag about > > > Hi Vince, > > Interesting number... close to the results in Mississippi yesterday for > Obama. It is a slim margin but a slim margin of delegates might decide the > race in the end given that both candidates will fall short of the number it > takes to win the nomination. I am of the opinion that the most fair thing > to do would be to share the ticket. Otherwise, half of the party will be > dissatisfied. > > Love, > Laura (who is for all the voters being heard and not impressed with > Caucuses) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:31:21 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion I think Joni herself has excellent time-her guitar and piano playing in particular-and appreciates the bed that an interesting groove creates for a song. Some of these are authentic ethnic grooves she co- opts, like "The Jungle Line" and "Dreamland". I don't think of the congas on Blue, Hejira and For The Roses in the same way though; those are pretty standard issue percussion beats behind acoustic guitar of the post-Woodstock bongoes-in-the-dirt variety. One song, although programmed on a drum machine, which is rhythmically intriguing is "Lucky Girl". You try and figure out where "one" is before the vocal comes in! Thomas Dolby, I assume, puts the snare backbeat on the 12th beat of a 12/8 pattern...very unusual. Nowadays songwriters routinely use "loops" of sampled percussion grooves to write over-keyboards and recording software come loaded with them-and in that sense Joni was kind of ahead of her time with TJL and Dreamland. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:41:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Michigan, njc - --- On Wed, 3/12/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: > Good morning Laura. I am trying very hard to make this an > exchange of information in a friendly conversation, not an argument. I appreciate this Vince. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Michigan, njc Well, something has to be done about Michigan and Florida. There are ______ (fill in the blank with the 33% or so registered voters in both states who show up to vote) that haven't had a say in who they want for President. I hope that something gets resolved here. If I were living in either state I'd be pissed off about (well a little less pissed off in Florida with the beautiful weather around me) not being able to vote. Why did anyone even show up to vote if everyone was told it wouldn't count anyhow? -M - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:08:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: njc, Geraldine on Barack You can't take what Ferraro says and apply it to Clinton. Just as you can't take what ANYONE has said (other than Clinton and Obama) and apply it to them. By accepting what a Clinton supporter says as Clinton's own remark you'd be doing the same thing accepting what Obama's minister has said (about supprting what's his face talking anti Jew) or Obama's lead advisor calling Hillary Clinton a "monster." Very childish indeed. Wipe the dirt away in between the campaigns and focus on Clinton and Obama. Both, I think, have shown class in this campaign. If the worst thing Hillary Clinton has said has been, "shame on you Barack Obama" for letting out a misleading ad while understanding her position in debates, we're doing pretty well then! -M, who apologizes to all not interested in and out of the U.S. for all this political talk...I just feel a need to express certain ideas that are not clear with something this important... Jeannie wrote: Even my mother who was pro-Hillary, has swung over to Barack 100%, simply because she despises such un-lady-like tactics of supposedly sweet women like Clinton and Ferraro, in the male dominated political system, lashing out at Barack, just like paltry, potty-like mouths of hypocritical men and now petulant, rumormongering women in the world of dirty politics. Sincerely, Jeannie PS: The podesta needed a dosage of her own pugnacious medicine, exposing the depths of her cold, heartless soul which come off as racist attacks at Barack and who may not even have a little light that could shines with true love, tolerance and compassion.h. PSII: Sorry for hitting her back with paper spit-wads with her very own slingshot. Patti Parlette wrote: Kate of California, I'm remembering how you and I both took our young sons to see GF on opposite coasts in 1984. Look what she has said now. I am so disappointed in her! Ferraro's Remarks on Obama Decried: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_ferraro I hate it when things turn ugly like this. Peace, Patti P., remembering what La Grande Dame Bush once said about her but I dare not repeat it because it was really awful NR: Anne's "Trials" (amazing grace and courage!) and then onto Tolle's book. I've flipped through it and it looks wonderful. So many books, so little time! _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:24:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC A bit disturbing For you undecided voters or frustrated voters apparently there's a *supposed* answer for you: http://www.bowlesforpresident.com/ Pretty sick. Good thing an ignorant fool like this has no chance. -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Michigan, njc I forget why I went and voted... lol!!!!! I knew it "wouldn't count". But I guess I thought they might renage(sp) on that. It felt important to go vote. Em Florida ps: oh I know! there was another huge issue on the ballot, having to do with property taxes, that's right... - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Well, something has to be done about Michigan and Florida. There > are ______ (fill in the blank with the 33% or so registered voters in > both states who show up to vote) that haven't had a say in who they > want for President. I hope that something gets resolved here. If I > were living in either state I'd be pissed off about (well a little > less pissed off in Florida with the beautiful weather around me) not > being able to vote. Why did anyone even show up to vote if everyone > was told it wouldn't count anyhow? > -M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:33:42 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Re: NJC, Hillary Hi Monika, I've missed a few digests recently, but jumped in today and saw this thread. Here's my 2 cents: The Michigan and Florida results should not be counted for very important reasons: 1) Obama and Edwards were not even on the ballot in Michigan, because they agreed to play by the rules, unlike Clinton, so the votes cast in Michigan are inherently invalid; 2) both states openly and flagrantly disobeyed rules set by the DNC about the sequence of the primaries. If the DNC caves on this issue, then the rules cease to have meaning. An argument can be made that Florida's decision to disobey the DNC's rules is politically motivated -- guess who's the governor of Florida? I think that the 2000 coup d'etat made it pretty clear that Florida politics are extremely corrupt, and I don't think it's beneath Governor Bush to throw a monkey wrench into the Democratic primary process. All the candidates were on the ballot in Florida, but they all agreed not to campaign there out of respect for the DNC rules. Hillary Clinton's subsequent call to "honor" the votes cast by Floridians is completely transparent self-interest. In my view, the only solution is a complete do-over, preferably at the states' expense. The citizens of those states can show their inevitable and justifiable displeasure at having their tax dollars being spent in such an inefficient way by voting out the people who decided to break the DNC rules in the first place. That's how democracy works. I'm 100% behind Howard Dean on this. Rules are rules, and it's not appropriate to deal with these rogue primaries in anything other than a black and white manner, no pun intended. Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion - --- Dave Blackburn wrote: >One song, > although programmed on a drum machine, which is > rhythmically > intriguing is "Lucky Girl". You try and figure out > where "one" is > before the vocal comes in! Thomas Dolby, I assume, > puts the snare > backbeat on the 12th beat of a 12/8 pattern...very > unusual. I was just listening to that song a day or two ago, thinking much the same thing. If you had to count in to the vocals, or some of the other instrumental parts for that matter, it's tricky. Kind of one-and-two-and-THREE-and, one-and-two-and-THREE-and, with what I think is a very slight pause before "and"; or "I'm-a-luck-y-GIRL-uh" with all that dinga-dinga-ding stuff in the background. Hard to represent in words and it really looks goofy written out. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:19:28 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content Oddmund, you are such a cutie! Heart and humor and humility. "Since the Joni Mitchell Discussion List has turned into the The American Election and Democratic nomination Discussion list lately,I think it's time to focus on some great music, again....." Music? Sweet music? Okay, love, here is song for you, and for everyone else who is annoyed (or worse) with all the politics. But in our defense, "something is happening here", and we just have to talk. Lessons in survival. History is in the making; it's like a revolution. Joni told us to shine on lousy leadership, etc. so that's what we do. I know for every political post I do, there are 100 more in my heart and mind that I keep reined in. I try and I try, but I can't save that cent. Oh, yeah, the song....music....there is your song from meeee: We're So Sorry Uncle Oddmund We're So Sorry If We Caused You Any Pain We're So Sorry Uncle Oddmund But We Haven't Done A Music Thing All Day We're So Sorry Uncle Oddmund But The Kettle's On The Boil And We're So Easily Called Away Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky Hand Across The Water (Water) Heads Across The Sky And xoxox across the universe, Patti P., who gives you back your wink and your smile, but keeps your twins to play. Lovely music! Merci. _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:36:47 -0400 From: anon anon Subject: RE: njc bush presidential library Didn't you hear? Bush's library burned down. Both books were destroyed, and Bush hadn't even finished coloring in one of the books. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:15:25 +0100 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Re: NJC Warninn NOn politcal content whatsoever !!! I am in fact Uncle Oddmund for seven lovely kids, so it was a great salute you greeted me with there ! Oh - and thanks for your company, Patti, and the gift of your precious time, it was such a sweet inspiration for me right here right now at my little library. Oh, Patti you really cheered me up made my day/evening :-) So I guess I'll manage some twenty more political posts, before it gets so lonely When you're walking And the streets are full of strangers All the news of home you read Just gives you the blues Just gives you the blues You kept my blues away, right here, right now Best Oddmund smiling back to you On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Patti Parlette wrote: > > Oddmund, you are such a cutie! Heart and humor and humility. "Since the Joni Mitchell Discussion List has turned into the The American Election and Democratic nomination Discussion list lately,I think it's time to focus on some great music, again....." > > Music? Sweet music? Okay, love, here is song for you, and for everyone else who is annoyed (or worse) with all the politics. But in our defense, "something is happening here", and we just have to talk. Lessons in survival. History is in the making; it's like a revolution. Joni told us to shine on lousy leadership, etc. so that's what we do. I know for every political post I do, there are 100 more in my heart and mind that I keep reined in. I try and I try, but I can't save that cent. > > Oh, yeah, the song....music....there is your song from meeee: > > We're So Sorry Uncle Oddmund > We're So Sorry If We Caused You Any Pain > > We're So Sorry Uncle Oddmund > But We Haven't Done A Music Thing All Day > We're So Sorry Uncle Oddmund > But The Kettle's On The Boil And We're So Easily Called Away > > Hand Across The Water (Water) > Heads Across The Sky > Hand Across The Water (Water) > Heads Across The Sky > > And xoxox across the universe, > > Patti P., who gives you back your wink and your smile, but keeps your twins to play. Lovely music! Merci. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:04:01 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour Toronto tix go on sale this Sat Mar 15 at 11 AM, so fix your speed-dial and bookmark the URL!!!!! Pass it on!!!! (note he's back in London later after part of his European stint - jumping around a lot it appears - NO USA!!!!!!!! - starts June 6 & 7 in Toronto - see link below.) ========================================== Rare UK concerts for Leonard Cohen 2 hours ago Singer-songwriter Leonard Cohen is to play his first live shows for 15 years. The 73-year-old will embark on a world tour this summer. There will be eight UK dates including the Glastonbury and Big Chill festivals. Rob Hallett of tour promoter AEG Live said: "For many, this tour will be the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see the legend that is Leonard Cohen. "We, as a company, are honoured to bring this long-rumoured tour to reality across the globe." Details of the tour were announced hours after Cohen was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with Madonna and the Dave Clark Five. The Canadian star will kick off in Toronto on June 6 before moving to Dublin for one gig on June 14, followed by the UK dates. Ticket details are available from : http://leonardcohen.aeglive.com ( http://leonardcohen.aeglive.com/ ) http://aeglive.com/tourdates.php?id=17701&detail_type=event from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida Alright, well I think Michigan should have a do over but without punishing the voters/taxpayers. Why should they pay for an election because of someone else's f-up? You know what I mean? But Florida's vote should count as is. Give people a break, ease their wallets a bit, and have those count. Wasn't there a record number of voters despite all this in Florida? Plus, EVERYBODY'S name was on the ballot...no one campaigned..and so on.....although didn't Obama run ads in Florida? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read somewhere that he ran ads in Florida? I ask YOU Florida people to let me know.... As for democracy, America's idea of democracy has quite a few dents in it. Democracy is supposed to be for the people, of the people, and by the people. It is fair and legal to not let two big ol' states vote afterall? And how much longer are we going to use the electoral college to determine the President (and delegates for Primaries)? How about popular vote alone? We don't live in colonies anymore. That concept is way outdated. A problem with America is that they love to stand by a piece of paper that was written years and years ago with the problems of then rather than the problems of now. You need to move with the changes otherwise you become stale and irrelevant. -M - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Never saw this discussed here: Joni & percussion Joni has an impeccable sense of timing, especially when it comes to what she is playing vs. what she is singing vs. the percussion itself. I can't tell you any of her weird timings on songs. I just know they're different. Standard rock is 4/4. Name almost any popular rock song and it is a steady 4/4 beat. Occasionally when they want to be wild they go for the 3/4 beat or 2/4 beat or something. Joni defies all of this and goes her own way. Joni has said that her music is NOT jazz because Jazz has its own laws. She's right. Even something as progressive and free as Jazz has its rules which she defies as well. I love the drummers Joni has worked with. They don't feel the need to beat the crap out of their drums. They aid the song rather than bind it. I wish I could find me a drummer who when the music gets soft...knows how to keep a beat going outside of tapping a cymbal... -M - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:28:01 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary > Since the Joni Mitchell Discussion List > has turned into the The American Election > and Democratic nomination Discussion list > lately Sorry about that. At the beginning of the year I requested that we not "go there" even though I knew it was pretty much pointless to make that request. Sigh ... (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jmdlpc) By the way, regardless of what may happen in Michigan or Florida or at the Dem convention or in the general election in November, "irregardless" is not a word. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:49:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour - NJC Lucky you all that can get to see this once in a lifetime event. Last week one of the American Idol contestants did Hallelujah and Jeff Buckley's version became the #1 iTunes download of the week. Jerry > Toronto tix go on sale this Sat Mar 15 at 11 AM, so fix your speed-dial and > bookmark the URL!!!!! Pass it on!!!! > > (note he's back in London later after part of his European stint - jumping > around a lot it appears - NO USA!!!!!!!! > - starts June 6 & 7 in Toronto - see link below.) > ========================================== > Rare UK concerts for Leonard Cohen > 2 hours ago > Singer-songwriter Leonard Cohen is to play his first live shows for 15 years. > The 73-year-old will embark on a world tour this summer. > There will be eight UK dates including the Glastonbury and Big Chill > festivals. > Rob Hallett of tour promoter AEG Live said: "For many, this tour will be the > once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see the legend that is Leonard Cohen. > "We, as a company, are honoured to bring this long-rumoured tour to reality > across the globe." > Details of the tour were announced hours after Cohen was inducted into the > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with Madonna and the Dave Clark Five. > The Canadian star will kick off in Toronto on June 6 before moving to Dublin > for one gig on June 14, followed by the UK dates. > Ticket details are available from : > http://leonardcohen.aeglive.com ( http://leonardcohen.aeglive.com/ ) > http://aeglive.com/tourdates.php?id=17701&detail_type=event > > from : > Barbara L.Stewart, MLS > Library - Sesame Workshop > 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA > tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 > barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that > matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:04:10 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Michigan and Florida An article I read stated that if MI & FL decided to re-stage their primaries that the money that would flow in (from all the campaign staff presence) would more than offset the costs. Not sure if that's true, but that's what they say. Bob NP: 8th Day, "She's Not Just Another Woman" (hey, maybe Hillary can use as her theme song!) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of MISSISSIPPIi, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today." Maybe bad dreams (GF's comments) are good in the great plan? Opening up the doors for discussion, a teaching moment? They may shed a little light on the human story, and be yet another lesson in our search for justice and freedom? And perhaps this will shine a little light on the true content of the character of the candidates? Then they will be tested and blessed? And then they can give us their very best? Questions of a thousand dreams. I just hope we can stay on the higher ground and stop all the fight. Who needs the static? But I guess that's politics. Sigh. Peace, Patti P. NPIMH: Now the trials are trumpet scored Oh will we pass the test Or just as one loves more and more Will one love less and less Oh come let's run from this ring we're in Where the Christians clap and the Germans grin Saying let them lose, crying let them win Oh make them both confess _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:38:44 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, bush presidential library torture chamber Dear Library Building Committee: Oh, don't forget, we'll need a torture chamber! "We do not torture", but apparently we do: This is from Harry's House (Harry Reid): "George Bush has once again compromised the moral leadership of our nation. By vetoing a bill establishing a single, government-wide interrogation standard, the President has substituted his own judgment for that of the vast majority of military and foreign policy experts -- including Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq -- who all agree that torture is simply counterproductive. Ironically, George Bush has warned against ignoring the advice of our commanders in Iraq -- while at the same time ignoring the Army Field Manual's determination that horrific tactics such as water boarding elicit unreliable information, put U.S. troops at risk and undermine our counterinsurgency efforts." STRONG AND WRONG! Hate and cruelty. If you see fit, please go to Harry's House, sign the petition and spread the word: http://www.giveemhellharry.com/page/petition/stoptorture In a land that's known as freedom, how can this be happening? This "Christian" doesn't even know the f#$%ing GOLDEN RULE? My head is in my hands. Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: njc, Geraldine on Barack Hey there again, Monika, Barack mentioned something last evening, that I too, tend to believe what may just be happening with some of these people who publicly want to 'slice, dice,' and unfairly attack Obama with their cheap talk. They are set up to give a tongue in cheek negative, terrible message about Barack, then just go off on their approved merry way, hoping to bruise Obama, not caring about the consequences, as long as the damage and their job to hurt is well done and secretly praised and commended. Isn't Geraldine Ferraro Clinton's financial campaign manager (or whatever her title may be in this present Clinton campaign? And what? What's Hillary gonna do? "Rein," her (Ferraro) in and scold her just to have to give her a kiss on each of her two cheeks? I've seen, heard and felt racism and the awful damage done to all of mankind. ~ a little Neil Young and Norma Jean for 'ya, Monika ~ Love, Jeannie Freedom Train By: ~Piri Thomas ~ Hey, brothers and sisters, ladies and misters, I got a message for y'all Heed the call. There's a train leaving for heaven and where would you be? Would you rather go to heaven or live again in fear and misery? Heavenbound right here on Earth Heavenbound right here on Earth Heavenbound from the moment of our birth Hey there, the fare won't cost you nothing Christ paid at Calvary But SO DID them millions of brothers and sisters on the ghetto streets and crosses The Jewish ghettos and Sowetos of the world This train is all about freedom unity among all colors Sisters and brothers, come on aboard come on board Let's create a world for e-v-e-r-y boy and girl where no child is born a minority but rather a righteous majority of one, similar to each other, sisters and brothers, but like fingerprints and cultures, hey, not quite the same So, viva the difference and let's get to know each other hey, born of respect. Hey, we ain't no minorities 'cause that means less than We gonna be free From the prison of the mind Come on, get on board Get on board, now! United we stand Divided we're stuck I said, united we stand and divided we're stuck Come on now, all the colors and faiths aboard this freedom train Peace with justice Freedom with equality Sisters and brothers born of Earth and Universe how small can any child be? (GET ON BOARD GET ON BOARD It ain't gonna wait It ain't gonna be late) Where God is the smile on the face of a child that ain't wasted Where love is tasted and never wasted, morning, noon and night Freedom Train Freedom now! All aboard! All aboard! All aboard! (Do you have your ticket? Get on board, man...) PS: Now if Hillary Clinton sarcastically thinks people like me are impossible dreamers and a crock o' shit, we who share walks and talks with one another through fields of clover as our love reaches to the sky, up Jacob's Ladder, and believe the light from the celestial heavens may just come down and touch us, it's because people like Barack Obama, me, and millions of others have hope as we shine our little lights collectively and just maybe we may get liberated like doves flying free from the dungeons the white washed hawks and wolves dressed in snow white sheep's clothing have put us there for the sake of their lust, power, greed, might and perverse love of bloodshed and war. PSII: Joni is one of the most powerful influences in my life and that's one of the reasons I feel and write like this. ~ Thank you, Joni!! I love you dearly! Truly, truly, truly, Jeannie ~ Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: You can't take what Ferraro says and apply it to Clinton. Just as you can't take what ANYONE has said (other than Clinton and Obama) and apply it to them. By accepting what a Clinton supporter says as Clinton's own remark you'd be doing the same thing accepting what Obama's minister has said (about supprting what's his face talking anti Jew) or Obama's lead advisor calling Hillary Clinton a "monster." Very childish indeed. Wipe the dirt away in between the campaigns and focus on Clinton and Obama. Both, I think, have shown class in this campaign. If the worst thing Hillary Clinton has said has been, "shame on you Barack Obama" for letting out a misleading ad while understanding her position in debates, we're doing pretty well then! -M, who apologizes to all not interested in and out of the U.S. for all this political talk...I just feel a need to express certain ideas that are not clear with something this important... Jeannie wrote: Even my mother who was pro-Hillary, has swung over to Barack 100%, simply because she despises such un-lady-like tactics of supposedly sweet women like Clinton and Ferraro, in the male dominated political system, lashing out at Barack, just like paltry, potty-like mouths of hypocritical men and now petulant, rumormongering women in the world of dirty politics. Sincerely, Jeannie PS: The podesta needed a dosage of her own pugnacious medicine, exposing the depths of her cold, heartless soul which come off as racist attacks at Barack and who may not even have a little light that could shines with true love, tolerance and compassion.h. PSII: Sorry for hitting her back with paper spit-wads with her very own slingshot. Patti Parlette wrote: Kate of California, I'm remembering how you and I both took our young sons to see GF on opposite coasts in 1984. Look what she has said now. I am so disappointed in her! Ferraro's Remarks on Obama Decried: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_ferraro I hate it when things turn ugly like this. Peace, Patti P., remembering what La Grande Dame Bush once said about her but I dare not repeat it because it was really awful NR: Anne's "Trials" (amazing grace and courage!) and then onto Tolle's book. I've flipped through it and it looks wonderful. So many books, so little time! _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:47:16 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC, Hillary Kay, I totally agree with you on this, but Charlie Crist is the Governor of Florida. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kay Ashley Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:34 AM To: Joni List Subject: Re: NJC, Hillary Hi Monika, I've missed a few digests recently, but jumped in today and saw this thread. Here's my 2 cents: The Michigan and Florida results should not be counted for very important reasons: 1) Obama and Edwards were not even on the ballot in Michigan, because they agreed to play by the rules, unlike Clinton, so the votes cast in Michigan are inherently invalid; 2) both states openly and flagrantly disobeyed rules set by the DNC about the sequence of the primaries. If the DNC caves on this issue, then the rules cease to have meaning. An argument can be made that Florida's decision to disobey the DNC's rules is politically motivated -- guess who's the governor of Florida? I think that the 2000 coup d'etat made it pretty clear that Florida politics are extremely corrupt, and I don't think it's beneath Governor Bush to throw a monkey wrench into the Democratic primary process. All the candidates were on the ballot in Florida, but they all agreed not to campaign there out of respect for the DNC rules. Hillary Clinton's subsequent call to "honor" the votes cast by Floridians is completely transparent self-interest. In my view, the only solution is a complete do-over, preferably at the states' expense. The citizens of those states can show their inevitable and justifiable displeasure at having their tax dollars being spent in such an inefficient way by voting out the people who decided to break the DNC rules in the first place. That's how democracy works. I'm 100% behind Howard Dean on this. Rules are rules, and it's not appropriate to deal with these rogue primaries in anything other than a black and white manner, no pun intended. Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:52:10 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Voice > Monika Bogdanowicz > Subject: Joni's singing > > I had been looking at some internet polls (as I run into sometimes) and > there was a best female vocalist poll in which Joni did make an appearance but > did not win. That being said, would you consider Joni to be one of the > greatest female vocalists (splitting up female and male since that is how it is > done...no intentions here)? Afterall, you can like someone and not think they > have the greatest voice or even much of a voice (IE: Bob Dylan). What do you > think? > > You're right, Monika, in that you can love someone's music and not think they have the best voice. Not that I dislike Joni's voice, but often, it's what they do WITH that voice that makes a difference- like, in Coyote, where Joni changes her tempo and style to say, "No regrets, Coyote..." to make that phrase stand out, even though the entire song is sung almost in a "spoken word" style. At other times, I appreciate the way lyrics are split between two lines so that a word that you would expect to be on one line gets sung in the next. In "Court & Spark", for example, one verse says "Looking for a woman" and the next says, "To Court and spark". But, Joni sings "Looking for a woman to" and "court and spark" with a slight hesitation between them and stretching the word "court", creating phrasing with much more style. For those reasons, I WOULD consider her one of the best female vocalists. Of course, it helps that she WROTE most of the songs she sang, although there have probably been some singer-songwriters who have written great songs that were covered (better) by other singers (I think Linda Ronstadt did many superior covers of other writers' songs, for example). That said, I like Joni's voice very much, although there were times I would cringe at the yodeling at the end of "Woodstock", or the shrillness during "Calfornia." I also like her latter-day, deeper voice (whether it's from smoking or just age) although her Court & Spark era voice is my favorite. There are some singers who's voice (& style) I seem to like, no matter what they sing, regardless of its quality, like Chris Smither, Ryan Adams, Joe Jackson, Neil Young, etc. There are also a few people who's voice I just can't stand to listen to, like Willy Nelson. I once walked out of a Barbara Cook concert at the intermission because her voice went right through me. Glad I got the tix for free. Kenny B NP: GREAT new Joe Jackson album (Rain). Kenny B > ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:08:20 -0400 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Re: NJC, Hillary D'oh!!! Another example of me being stuck in the past. I still keep hoping that Dubya's reign will have turned out to be a bad dream. Apologies to all the JMDL Floridians. :-) On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Kay, I totally agree with you on this, but Charlie Crist is the Governor > of > Florida. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kay > Ashley > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:34 AM > To: Joni List > Subject: Re: NJC, Hillary > > Hi Monika, > > I've missed a few digests recently, but jumped in today and saw this > thread. Here's my 2 cents: > > The Michigan and Florida results should not be counted for very important > reasons: 1) Obama and Edwards were not even on the ballot in Michigan, > because they agreed to play by the rules, unlike Clinton, so the votes > cast > in Michigan are inherently invalid; 2) both states openly and flagrantly > disobeyed rules set by the DNC about the sequence of the primaries. If > the > DNC caves on this issue, then the rules cease to have meaning. > > An argument can be made that Florida's decision to disobey the DNC's rules > is politically motivated -- guess who's the governor of Florida? I think > that the 2000 coup d'etat made it pretty clear that Florida politics are > extremely corrupt, and I don't think it's beneath Governor Bush to throw a > monkey wrench into the Democratic primary process. All the candidates > were > on the ballot in Florida, but they all agreed not to campaign there out of > respect for the DNC rules. Hillary Clinton's subsequent call to "honor" > the > votes cast by Floridians is completely transparent self-interest. > > In my view, the only solution is a complete do-over, preferably at the > states' expense. The citizens of those states can show their inevitable > and > justifiable displeasure at having their tax dollars being spent in such an > inefficient way by voting out the people who decided to break the DNC > rules > in the first place. That's how democracy works. > > I'm 100% behind Howard Dean on this. Rules are rules, and it's not > appropriate to deal with these rogue primaries in anything other than a > black and white manner, no pun intended. > > Kay > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter > http://www.kayashley.com > http://www.myspace.com/kayashley > http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley > > > > - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary Well, actually it is a word. It appears both in the Merriam Webster and Oxford dictionaries. Look for yourself. It is not popular just yet (or widely accepted) since it is a double negative and technically doesn't make sense (sort of like the phrase "I could care less" which should be "I couldn't care less"). -M Lori Fye wrote: By the way, regardless of what may happen in Michigan or Florida or at the Dem convention or in the general election in November, "irregardless" is not a word. Lori Santa Rosa, CA - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:07:57 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen - tix purchase link for entire tour - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Stewart" > Details of the tour were announced hours after Cohen was inducted > into the > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, along with Madonna I just can't help it. I cannot take an organization seriously that honors a genius like Leonard Cohen and then at the same time bestows the same honor on....Madonna. Personally, I think Joni was right on when she skipped that particular 'honor' at the time she was inducted. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:13:03 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: NJC Warning (almost) NO politcal content and NJC, Hillary Fellow Ohioan Monika wrote, of "irregardless:" > Well, actually it is a word. It appears both in the Merriam Webster > and Oxford dictionaries. Look for yourself. It is not popular just yet > (or widely accepted) since it is a double negative and technically > doesn't make sense (sort of like the phrase "I could care less" which > should be "I couldn't care less"). I knew you'd call me on that, Monika. I knew the word appears in some dictionaries; I'm just being curmudeonly because I'm going to turn 50 this year and I do lament the demise of rules of language. Anyway, good on ya. : ) Has the snow melted at all? Lori, formerly of North Canton now of Santa Rosa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:21:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Subject: JT concert on PBS Perhaps someone has mentioned this already. JT was in concert on PBS Saturday night. Great, great concert! And he mentioned Joni when he introduced "You've Got a Friend," saying she'd sung on it with Carole King, who wrote it, of course. A picture of JM & JT together flashed on the large onstage screen. Then he said (mocking today's street slang), "I guess today you'd say she was my bitch. Actually I was her bitch." It was funny in that JT sort of way. Reminded me of the Croz's quote about Joni and Mussolini somehow. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #603 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------