From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #599 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 9 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 599 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Covers, Volume 98 - From a Leap to a March [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Bipolar Disorder, NJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Bipolar Disorder [Laura Stanley ] Bipolar Disorder, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again [Jeannie ] Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states [David Eoll ] Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, re-sent again [Jeannie ] NJC Oh Ohio [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: NJC Oh Ohio [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again ["Vince Lavieri" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:15:42 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 98 - From a Leap to a March Thanks so much for the link, Melissa. What a trip! I think they tried to recreate the feeling of Woodstock at Sunbury. Joni went on to perform at Big Sur to continue that feeling but if Joni wasn't so afraid of flying and knew what they were trying to do in Australia with Sunbury and the other festivals, she might have come down here. She would have inspired so many if she had. She was so huge here at that time too. Thanks everyone for your birthday wishes. They were so heartwarming and special to me. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 06:29:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 98 - From a Leap to a March NJC I sure did, Melissa - thanks for sharing it. Had not heard the song before, it has a great Buffalo Springfield vibe to it, and of course I love it when they rock out. Bob NP: Harvard Opportunes, "Big Yellow Taxi" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC CSN summer tour http://www.pollstar.com/tour/searchall.pl?By=Artist&Content=CSN&Key=Y Neil not along for the trip this time... -M - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:00:12 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Bipolar Disorder, NJC Well typically with Bipolar Disorder the states of mania vs. depression last for days/weeks on end. I haven't heard of someone being manic in the day and then depressed at night but who knows? Plus you have to take into account the severity of the moods. There are quite a few people who are "sad" or "blue" for a bit but are not clinically depressed. These people still function regularly in society. Someone depressed would not be able to function regularly and would generally withdraw from even regular activities (which would last have to last for a good amount of time to be actually diagnosed as depression or being bipolar with mania). Then someone in a manic state would not necessarily be "happy" as some may think but in a speedy, take on the world, can't sit still sort of mood. As for your friend, as was suggested, I would recommend him/her to see a doctor if this is indeed interrupting his/her life. I can't think of anything that could or would switch from day to night. For a second I thought of seasonal affective disorder which has to do with the amount of light one takes in. Someone with that disorder would be depressed during Winter when the sun is hardly ever out...(a treatment for that is special lighting all around the house to get enough light for you! Interesting, isn't it?) but not manic when ok. And that is strictly seasonal. -Monika, who loves Psychology and almost went to school for it rian afriadi wrote: I have a question... Is suffering manic state at day and then depression at night categorized as bipolar disorder? If not, what is it called? Rian PS. No, it's not about me, it's about my friend. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Bipolar Disorder Rian wrote: I have a question... Is suffering manic state at day and then depression at night categorized as bipolar disorder? If not, what is it called? Rian PS. No, it's not about me, it's about my friend. Hi Rian, There is no definitive testing procedure for bipolar illness which makes it hard to diagnose. It is more a ruling out of other disorders that leads to the diagnosis. It is questionable whether your friend has bipolar illness since it seems there is a circadian pattern s/he has. Usually cycling patterns are more spread out and not as predictable as every day at certain times. My first question would be what is your friend's sleep like? Lack of sleep can play a role in the expression of mania. In other words, if a person is up all night, they are likely to be manic the next day. If they don't think they are losing sleep there still might be an occult problem with sleep, one that can only be detected through a sleep study. One can be getting poor quality sleep and think they are sleeping through the night. Your friend might be encouraged to go to a sleep center at a local hospital and undergo a study of what is happening to their brain waves during the night. Another question to ask is does your friend have an immediate relative or relatives with bipolar illness? It tends to run in families. There is a theory that it goes from mother to son and father to daughter. Depression is usually the baseline state in bipolar illness with episodes of mania injected. The depression is not just a feeling of being blue that comes and goes but is instead a feeling of being doomed with no escape. The mania of bipolar illness typically has certain qualities to it such as loss of good judgement, grandiosity, rage, and hallucinations. Cycling from depression to mania is highly variable between people and as I said before is usually unpredictable. A person with bipolar illness might have just one episode of mania their whole life. I hope your friend will see a doctor and find a treatment that can improve their quality of life. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:34:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Bipolar Disorder, NJC Rian, What I know of bipolar disorder is that it cycles- with some it is very long cycles & others or at other times in shorter cycles but I have never heard of it being as regular as day manic/night depression. Vince is correct; a doctor should make the diagnosis. Kate rian afriadi I have a question... Is suffering manic state at day and then depression at night categorized as bipolar disorder?< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again Hi All! With all of the negative back and forth with Hillary and Barack, I'd like to share what prime-time ignorance and hysteria, concerning Barack Obama, my youngest sister and myself have had to face with recently. A few years back I gave much effort recruiting the South Texan Hispanic to register to vote with a grassroots organization, the S.Texas Voters Registration. My youngest sister got involved and continues to volunteer. Working the campaign, she came across many of a prevalent mindset of S. Texas Hispanics and was appalled at some of the most ignorant judgments concerning Barack Obama. Such as, " He's the enemy, a Muslim." " He's Homosexual." "The Blacks are going to take control of the whole world." ...and so many other twisted notions said about him, that if I continue, it would be improper to report such (porqueria) pork fat here on the JMDL. I told my sister, "Listen, I know where you're coming from---I've recently had the most heartbreaking and freaking ignoramus encounters myself. The first time was when I when I went early voting and the woman standing in line ahead of me there was this Mexican American woman who struck up a conversation with me assuming I was going to vote Hillary Clinton." "No, I'm going all the way for, Mam." Well, her angry response was that of a certain mindset of Mexican-Americans which whose hard-heads are practically impossible to penetrate when it comes to enlightenment. I tested her a bit since she started off with all that Bible prophecy crap she learns from snake-bite, hard-core evangelists like John Hagee and asked her, By the way, mam, what is Hillary's stance concerning the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict since you're so keen on John's visions on the book of Revelation?" She got extremely upset at me, telling me that if I myself knew anything about the Bible that I should know then about the prophesies on Rapture and the end-times and as far as she was concerned, Obama, being Muslim, might just be the Anti-Christ. I was just floored and suffocating with her breath-taking ignorance and at that moment, I closed my eyes, put my right hand on my forehead and freak out as I shake my head in disbelief. Help me understand this cruel absurdity. Love, Jeannie tLaura Stanleysweetbirdur@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Vince, I respect you too and your right to your opinions. However, I've heard the term "dynasty" from others before you so I don't think this thought originated with you. It is used as a negative means to try to stop Hillary from being elected as in the following youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKSKxng0O0s I also don't think the erroneous concepts that Hillary is a cold person and is using Bill as her claim to experience originates with you either. These negative concepts and ideas are being used as part of a movement against her. From your posts which repeat these things I've heard previously elsewhere, it appears to me that you are buying into it. Love, Laura - --- On Sat, 3/8/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > I am not buying into anything and not repeating anything > here. > > These are my original thoughts from my own head. Never got > them from > elsewhere, not repeating anything from elsewhere. > > You are a person who I respect. I do not want to argue > with you that > people of their own free will and volition might have > negative thoughts > about someone whose main claim to fame as > "experienced" is being someone's > spouse. > > I used to like her, not any more. If she is the nominee > she has my joyless > vote. > > Vince > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Laura Stanley > wrote: > > > Vince wrote: > > > > I > > She has no vision for America. She is cold and > soulless like a shark. > > There is nothing there but a grasp for power for the > dynasty. > > > > > > Hi Vince, > > > > If you aren't for nasty campaigning, why are > you buying into it and > > repeating it here? > > > > Love, > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 7:52:12 -0800 From: Subject: Chad & Jeremy, Paul Simon (njc) Kakki wrote: > Speaking of early Paul Simon, our fellow JMDLer Steve Dulson told me >an amazing story involving Simon and Chad and Jeremy, who he saw >recently perform at Folk Alliance in Memphis. Steve - you should give a report! ;-) Well, Chad & Jeremy look and sound GREAT! Michele and I were totally blown away by them. They told how, when Paul Simon was in the UK in...'64?...he pitched Homeward Bound to them, which they loved and recorded. A few months later when Sounds of Silence became a hit, they begged their record company,,,Capitol? ...to release it as a single but were turned down. Other high points of Folk Alliance - Kathy Mattea doing songs from her coal-mining album, Gadji-Gadjo, a killer gypsy/klezmer band from Montreal and Hoven Droven, sort of a a Swedish Steeleye Span, playing terrific electric traditional dance music, polkas, waltzes, etc. Chuck Mitchell was listed as being there, but I didn't manage to see him this year. Ian Tyson received an ASCAP award, and looks pretty spry for someone approaching his 75th birthday. And it was great to see Ashara there! :) *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:29:15 -0500 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states > > arcane methods for electing their leaders?> > > It's pretty dang complicated all right. Always seems to make sense when > you're READING it, but if you were to try and explain it to someone you > couldn't do it - at least not with a straight face. I remember having to explain to a Mexican colleague of mine after the 2004 election how George Bush didn't really win by 3.5 million votes. How he actually won by getting just 137,000 more votes than Kerry in one state: Ohio. Which turned into a big "insider baseball" spiel about the the electoral college, etc. It does sound wacky to explain it out loud. What a Rube Goldberg way to go about it. It may have made sense in the horse and buggy days, but I think the electoral college has got to go. > Still, I'm awfully > glad that the process has been unpredictable this time around, makes it > seem more genuine and less stamped and pattied. I think there are upsides and downsides to the democratic primary dragging on so long, and I do think at this point this one will go the distance. The obvious upside is that for the first time in a long while, people in states other than Iowa, NH, and maybe SC, will have a chance to have a say in who the nominee will be. That's great. The downside is that there's a greater chance that one or both of the candidates will be too damaged to beat McCain in November. I do think that we Democrats got the worst possible outcome from the GOP primary. The polls have long shown McCain to be the hardest Republican candidate for the Dems to beat. This is going to be tough. Which is what makes some of Clinton's statements since Tuesday so disturbing. [Disclaimer: I was neither a Clinton or Obama supporter in my state's primary. I've favored Obama over Clinton, but I haven't drunk either side's Kool-Aid.] Here's a sample: "And I think its imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold," the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infants bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington. "I believe that Ive done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and youll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said. Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a "distinguished man with a great history of service to our country," Clinton said, "Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold." or, this "[McCain has] never been president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002." I understand that all's fair in politics, but, please. She's endorsing the Republican nominee over her challenger from her own party? And I don't know how to interpret those statements other than as an endorsement of McCain over Obama. Call it what you like, its an endorsement. Here's the short version: "I'd make a good leader. McCain would make a good leader. Obama? Enh. Not so much." If she wanted to make the point that she'd make a better leader than Obama, then she can make that point. Why include McCain in these statements at all? She's really kneecapping the Democratic Party's chances of regaining the white house with these statements, and she's made about a half-dozen of them. On camera, even! You think McCain isn't going to put those statements in his ads this fall? I've got $100 that says he will, regardless of who the Democratic nominee is. If its Obama, then he's going to have to deal with the biggest name in Democratic politics saying that McCain would make a better president. If its her, then McCain can say, "Hey, even my opponent says I'm good." Hey, lookee here, someone's already saved McCain the trouble, and they've made the ad already: http://tinyurl.com/2cjlna If I were just a tad more cynical, I'd say that she's banking on running again in 2012. She can do the math just like everyone else. She knows that winning the nomination on delegates is probably not going to happen. And if there is a popular democrat in the White House in 2012, she won't stand a chance. So maybe she'd rather McCain were in there, and run against him in 2012. Like I said, I'm not quite that cynical, but I'm having a hard time seeing why else she would be fluffing up McCain like this. > One of my co-workers suggested having the election like American Idol, do > away with the parties and have ALL the candidates in weekly debates - > after each one, one of the candidates gets voted off the island until > there's one left. I'm all for it! That's actually not such a bad idea. The sad fact is that many more people vote on American Idol than vote in the presidential elections. So, if you can't beat 'em, why not join 'em? It would undoubtedly increase voter participation. The downside is that it would constitute a further dumbing down of the political process. These things are already little better than beauty contests. Most people choose who to vote for based on the most superficial criteria. I remember some guy being quoted in 2004 about how he'd rather have a beer with Bush than with Kerry. Sad. Peace, David Eoll ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, re-sent again Something was happening to our internet connection while I was editing, elaborating and using spell-check on my previous message and the rough draft got sent instead. My son who is in his room on his computer, came to me as I, too, was trying to figure out why I kept losing my post over and over and he asked me, "What's going on with the internet, Nen? I've haven't experienced these problems ever before with my Mac and the internet connection. It's weird, come check this out in my room. How's yours working?" I said, "Mine is going haywire, Gibby." "Why is this happening?" he asked. All I could answer was, "I have no explanations.' So, I seriously apologize for this computer sending off the previous post with spelling and grammatical errors as I lost all corrected, edited and elaborated message to joni@smoe.org. Tell me, ohh, what's going on? My son is witness to this, too, and he has the practicality of Albert Camus, his literary hero and doesn't believe in strange things that could be but with this he's wondering and asked me, "Why do these most unusual incidents always happen to you, Nen? Always, no matter what you do!" "I just go along because if I try to connect the puzzles that occur with me, I wouldn't be able to fathom it, Gibby" And I'm not kidding or thinking grandiosity or conspiracies or anything--all I ask is for y'all to just please forgive the grammatical and spelling errors, ok? Love, Jeannie Jeannie wrote: Hi All! With all of the negative back and forth with Hillary and Barack, I'd like to share what prime-time ignorance and hysteria, concerning Barack Obama, my youngest sister and myself have had to face with recently. A few years back I gave much effort recruiting the South Texan Hispanic to register to vote with a grassroots organization, the S.Texas Voters Registration. My youngest sister got involved and continues to volunteer. Working the campaign, she came across many of a prevalent mindset of S. Texas Hispanics and was appalled at some of the most ignorant judgments concerning Barack Obama. Such as, " He's the enemy, a Muslim." " He's Homosexual." "The Blacks are going to take control of the whole world." ...and so many other twisted notions said about him, that if I continue, it would be improper to report such (porqueria) pork fat here on the JMDL. I told my sister, "Listen, I know where you're coming from---I've recently had the most heartbreaking and freaking ignoramus encounters myself. The first time was when I when I went early voting and the woman standing in line ahead of me there was this Mexican American woman who struck up a conversation with me assuming I was going to vote Hillary Clinton." "No, I'm going all the way for, Mam." Well, her angry response was that of a certain mindset of Mexican-Americans which whose hard-heads are practically impossible to penetrate when it comes to enlightenment. I tested her a bit since she started off with all that Bible prophecy crap she learns from snake-bite, hard-core evangelists like John Hagee and asked her, By the way, mam, what is Hillary's stance concerning the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict since you're so keen on John's visions on the book of Revelation?" She got extremely upset at me, telling me that if I myself knew anything about the Bible that I should know then about the prophesies on Rapture and the end-times and as far as she was concerned, Obama, being Muslim, might just be the Anti-Christ. I was just floored and suffocating with her breath-taking ignorance and at that moment, I closed my eyes, put my right hand on my forehead and freak out as I shake my head in disbelief. Help me understand this cruel absurdity. Love, Jeannie tLaura Stanleysweetbirdur@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Vince, I respect you too and your right to your opinions. However, I've heard the term "dynasty" from others before you so I don't think this thought originated with you. It is used as a negative means to try to stop Hillary from being elected as in the following youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKSKxng0O0s I also don't think the erroneous concepts that Hillary is a cold person and is using Bill as her claim to experience originates with you either. These negative concepts and ideas are being used as part of a movement against her. From your posts which repeat these things I've heard previously elsewhere, it appears to me that you are buying into it. Love, Laura - --- On Sat, 3/8/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > I am not buying into anything and not repeating anything > here. > > These are my original thoughts from my own head. Never got > them from > elsewhere, not repeating anything from elsewhere. > > You are a person who I respect. I do not want to argue > with you that > people of their own free will and volition might have > negative thoughts > about someone whose main claim to fame as > "experienced" is being someone's > spouse. > > I used to like her, not any more. If she is the nominee > she has my joyless > vote. > > Vince > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Laura Stanley > wrote: > > > Vince wrote: > > > > I > > She has no vision for America. She is cold and > soulless like a shark. > > There is nothing there but a grasp for power for the > dynasty. > > > > > > Hi Vince, > > > > If you aren't for nasty campaigning, why are > you buying into it and > > repeating it here? > > > > Love, > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:15:00 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: College girls today and Joni yesterday From "Girls Like Us - Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Carly Simon--And the Journey of a Generation" by Sheila Weller: "Over the next three years, Joni's life would be typical of many North American women's when the early to mid-1960s -- that Jack-and-Jackie-influenced era of glamorized traditional marriage -- slowly turned into the later 1960s, and a new culture was spawned, both by the neo-Edwardian style of the English groups and by the softer offshoots of psychedelia. Just as some of Joni's counterparts attending college would marry young professors, Joni would marry a man eight years her senior who was already living the life she thought she wanted. But as she pulled ahead of her husband in talent and ambition, she would realize -- as other girls would -- that young marriage to a sophisticated man was not the start of Real Life but, rather, an impediment to it." This excerpt reminds of something I read in The Chronicle of Higher Education and started to share with you, but the post, inchoate, ended up in my draft box when I had to, ummmm, fly away to be with my Mom. And now, looking this draft over, I'm not sure if it's just the Jonidiomatic logic that goes on in my head or if I am making the connection properly, but oh well, voila: ***** "College Girls and College Women Gina Barecca, Professor of English at the University of Connecticut: College girls arent what they used to be. Nowadays, college girls are college women; they are almost, but not quite, simply students. At least thats what we tell ourselves. Yet I still have young women who come to my office after class and ask a version of the following (take a deep breath and hear it all without a pause): Professor Barreca weve been coming to the lectures and doing the reading so we understand that women have always had an important but virtually untraceable impact on the culture along with other marginalized groups who because of their inherently liminal status in regards to the hegemonic culture have not been inscribed within accorded patterns of influence thereby rendering them nearly invisible to the future generations and making it nearly impossible to understand that the battles every marginalized group fights have in fact been fought before resulting in a repeated need to establish rights within the culture instead of relying on the granting of privileges (privileges of course that can only be granted by those in power to those out of power) and so we understand that it is incumbent upon us if the lives of our daughters and granddaughters are going to be better than the lives of our mothers and grandmothers to secure those rights once and for all and yet we wonder whether if we accept that responsibility will we ever  get a date? If 30 is the new 18, then why are girls in such a rush to be in a committed relationship at such young ages? I think that we need to reassure the young people in our lives that there are insignificant others as well as significant others. There's still the idea that a long-term committed relationship is the reward for being a good girl, that a romantic union is the gold star." ****** (from Gina Barecca's 11/21/07 blog that was edited for "Highlights from the Brainstorm" in the Chronicle of Higher Ed) http://chronicle.com/review/brainstorm/barreca/college-girls-facebook-dating-cringing-marty-fear-of-living-with-cats-where-the-boys-are So many Joni lyrics popped into my head reading that whole thing. Par example: All I want to do right now is find another lover.... Chasing after Golden Reggie... The ceremony of the bells and lace still veils this reckless fool here... The head says forget it, but the heart's still smoking.... My search for love that don't seem to cease.... I get that strong longing like I want to settle down and raise a child up with someone.... Harry's House.... Willy... Send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere...... I call out to be released.... Crown and anchor me, or let me sail away.... Barecca's piece makes me think of early Joni and how she resisted this urge for committing....not wanting to end up like her grandmother, but often conflicted about her feelings. Both Sides, Now. Just some thoughts from a rainy afternoon house, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 10:56:23 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Hotel California Video Tree Hi folks. Just a reminder that I still have the original Hotel California documentary DVD if anyone wants it. I'm happy to mail it on to anyone who wants it. Just be sure to make a copy for yourself and offer it up to the list again. Just send me your mailing address off list. Mark in Sydney NP Mount Teide (Live) - Mike Oldfield ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Oh Ohio Ah, good to know that it seems Spring is not in the air! What we're currently dealing with in lovely Ohio: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/ap_on_re_us/severe_weather -M - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Oh Ohio I saw some clips on the Weather Channel - man oh man. Stay safe, Mon. I feel bad because I was complaining about high winds and having to wear a long-sleeve shirt on my run today. Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Trampin'" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:43:31 -0600 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again Laura, Just because you heard something elsewhere does not make it impossible for it to be original to me. I am astounded by your assertions. That others on their own share in similar opinions as mine only means I am a part of a demographic, not that there is some conspiracy out there and I am parroting some lines I learned elsewhere. Damn, Laura,. I have been a member here since 1998 or 1999 and as much of a jerk as I am, I have at least always gotten credit that my thoughts were my own. This is an odd battle for you to fight, Laura, and it makes me wonder if Clinton supporters can grasp that many Americans - in fact a majority of those who have taken part in the system - prefer someone else over your choice. For my own self, the problem with the dynasty began in 2001 when it was clear she was going to go for it in 2008. The soulless eyes cold as a shark idea is my reaction to watching the Texas debate. Now you can argue if my own original thoughts are original to me, but I will say this: I have followed her career for a very long time since she grew up a few miles from me, me in Chicago and her slightly north and west in Park Ridge. I have followed his career since 1996 when he first ran for office. The Obama bumper sticker went on my car in January 2007. You may doubt that I have original ideas and think for myself, but there it is. One of my problems with all Clintons is their constant resort to claiming conspiracies against them. Yes, it is possible to resist dynasties without having a clue what is on youtube and have thoughts for one's own self. I really reject to you and in public that I "must be buying into" anything. I know more about her and more about him than most people, Laura, and I went with Obama over Clinton because I deeply prefer him to her, thinking on my own. I am done with this Laura because I am not going to fight with you. As we watch tonight yet another state choose Obama over Clinton, I do suggest that the Clinton staff seek to understand why, rather than blame it on us being delusional or buying into anything at all. God damn, it is possible to think for one's own self and choose Obama. What part of that cannot be understood? Vince On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Hi Vince, > > I respect you too and your right to your opinions. However, I've heard > the term "dynasty" from others before you so I don't think this thought > originated with you. It is used as a negative means to try to stop Hillary > from being elected as in the following youtube video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKSKxng0O0s > > I also don't think the erroneous concepts that Hillary is a cold person > and is using Bill as her claim to experience originates with you either. > These negative concepts and ideas are being used as part of a movement > against her. From your posts which repeat these things I've heard > previously elsewhere, it appears to me that you are buying into it. > > Love, > Laura > > > --- On Sat, 3/8/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > > > I am not buying into anything and not repeating anything > > here. > > > > These are my original thoughts from my own head. Never got > > them from > > elsewhere, not repeating anything from elsewhere. > > > > You are a person who I respect. I do not want to argue > > with you that > > people of their own free will and volition might have > > negative thoughts > > about someone whose main claim to fame as > > "experienced" is being someone's > > spouse. > > > > I used to like her, not any more. If she is the nominee > > she has my joyless > > vote. > > > > Vince > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Laura Stanley > > wrote: > > > > > Vince wrote: > > > > > > I > > > She has no vision for America. She is cold and > > soulless like a shark. > > > There is nothing there but a grasp for power for the > > dynasty. > > > > > > > > > Hi Vince, > > > > > > If you aren't for nasty campaigning, why are > > you buying into it and > > > repeating it here? > > > > > > Love, > > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:44:12 -0600 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: njc bush presidential library The George W Bush Presidential Library is now in the planning stages. >> You'll want to be the first at your corporation to make a contribution >> to this great man's legacy. The Library will include: >> >> 1. The Hurricane Katrina Room, which is still under construction. >> 2. The Alberto Gonzales Room, where you can't remember anything. >> 3. The Texas Air National Guard Room, where you don't have to even >> show up. >> 4. The Walter Reed Hospital Room, where they don't let you in. >> 5. The Guantanamo Bay Room, where they don't let you out. >> 6. The Weapons of Mass Destruction Room (which no one has been able >> to find). >> 7. The Iraq War Room. After you complete your first tour, they make >> you go back for a second, third, fourth, and sometimes fifth tour. >> 8. The Dick Cheney Room, in the famous undisclosed location, complete >> with shooting gallery. >> >> Plans also include: >> 9. The K-Street Project Gift Shop - where you can buy (or just steal) >> an election. >> 10. The Airport Men's Room, where you can meet some of your favorite >> Republican senators. >> 11. Last, but not least, there will be an entire floor devoted to a >> 7/8 scale model of the President's ego. >> >> To highlight the President's accomplishments, the museum will have an >> electron microscope to help you locate them. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #599 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------