From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #598 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 8 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 598 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: NJC Miracle of Melancholia ["Ross, Les" ] Re: NJC Hillary wins 3 states [Laura Stanley ] NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again [Laura Stanley ] Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] njc, Imagine Whirled Peace [Patti Parlette ] Re: shining hissing smoking NJC at this point ["Kate Bennett" ] Bipolar Disorder, NJC [rian afriadi ] Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 98 - From a Leap to a March [Melissa Gibbs Subject: RE: NJC Miracle of Melancholia richard wrote "Or manic depressives. As eloquent as she was about her own suffering in her memoir _An Unquiet Mind_, Kay Redfield Jameson in her book _Touched with Fire_ makes the BS argument that treating bipolar disorder might threaten to destroy an artist's creativity. I've written a lot about poets who suffered from bipolar disorder and/or alcoholism (Randall, Jarrell, Robert Lowell, Elizabeth Bishop) and all of them created great art despite, not because of, mental illness or addiction. " BS or not, it's a point of view held by many sufferers of bipolarity. the very excellent UK actor/author/brainbox/lotsofcoolthings (and bipolarity sufferer) stephen fry made a couple of TV shows not terribly long ago on this topic. he spoke to a number of well known (in the UK) creative types (from acting/music/etc) and a question he made to them all was, "if you could, would you like to be rid of the bipolarity?" (not exactly but leaning in that direction) consensus tended towards the 'no' for fear of losing more than they'd gain creatively speaking. like i say, BS or not, it certainly has currency among those so afflicted. the two shows were available on youtube if anyone wants to take a look - stephen fry is a very engaging and engaged presenter. i'd give links here but i'm at work and youtube is inaccessible from here. and finally, from my own experience, i've found melancholia to be a state wherein creative output is astonishingly and satisfyingly consistent. i do not, however, endorse it. les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 05:06:56 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: NJC Hillary wins 3 states Hi Ya'll, I don't know why the TABLE NOT SHOWN message is showing up instead of my post. Here is my post again: - --- On Thu, 3/6/08, Laura Stanley wrote: > From: Laura Stanley > Subject: Re: NJC Hillary wins 3 states > To: "joni@smoe.org" > Date: Thursday, March 6, 2008, 2:34 PM > Em wrote: > > Wish I could get a couple of Hillary stickers to put on my > Jeep > alongside the Obama stickers. > > > Hi Em, > > I was just thinking this morning it would be nice to > have one Obama sticker to go with the three Hillary > stickers I have on the back window of my van. She's > been talking about considering him for VP if she's the > nominee. If this happens, he would get experience he could > use, everybody could get to know him better, and there would > be a strong Democratic candidate for president down the road > to keep the good trends rolling. > > Love, > Laura > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 05:08:49 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again Vince wrote: I used to like Hillary and Bill, but my respect for them has plummeted in this campaign. I am tired of these family dynasties, I am tired of the entitlement that the Clintons feel, I am tired of the nasty campaigning they have done, I am tired of their constant blaming of conspiracies for all their problems. I don't think she can beat McCain, and if she did, she will be a drag on the ticket and we could lose a lot of things that Obama could win for us And so far she seems to do ok with her cynical vote for war. She has no vision for America. She is cold and soulless like a shark. There is nothing there but a grasp for power for the dynasty. Hi Vince, If you aren't for nasty campaigning, why are you buying into it and repeating it here? Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:01:19 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: NJC Miracle of Melancholia I think there is a very definite continuum of (so-called) mental illness and how it affects creativity. No one who is in a severely ill state is likely to be creating anything. But if they are not debilitating, then bipolar spectrum disorders are associated with increased drive to create. But then mania can fuel the *feeling* that what you are creating is novel and wonderful and groundbreaking even if it's not. As for depression, I think it's important to distinguish emotional angst from depression. Unresolved feelings or suffering fuel creativity for sure. But a straight-up depressive episode or longer term dysthymia drains the meaning out of things, saps your motivation, leaves you in a hopeless or apathetic state, triggers feelings of worthlessness and actually deadens the drive to create. There's nothing romantic about depression. The creating comes as you're emerging from the depression maybe, as you reflect on what you experienced, and you feel a little spark of motivation return. Jenny On 3/7/08, Ross, Les wrote: > > richard wrote > > "Or manic depressives. As eloquent as she was about her own suffering in > her > memoir _An Unquiet Mind_, Kay Redfield Jameson in her book _Touched with > Fire_ makes the BS argument that treating bipolar disorder might threaten > to > destroy an artist's creativity. I've written a lot about poets who > suffered > from bipolar disorder and/or alcoholism (Randall, Jarrell, Robert Lowell, > Elizabeth Bishop) and all of them created great art despite, not because > of, > mental illness or addiction. " > > BS or not, it's a point of view held by many sufferers of bipolarity. > > the very excellent UK actor/author/brainbox/lotsofcoolthings (and > bipolarity > sufferer) stephen fry made a couple of TV shows not terribly long ago on > this topic. he spoke to a number of well known (in the UK) creative types > (from acting/music/etc) and a question he made to them all was, "if you > could, would you like to be rid of the bipolarity?" (not exactly but > leaning > in that direction) consensus tended towards the 'no' for fear of losing > more > than they'd gain creatively speaking. like i say, BS or not, it certainly > has currency among those so afflicted. > > the two shows were available on youtube if anyone wants to take a look - > stephen fry is a very engaging and engaged presenter. i'd give links here > but i'm at work and youtube is inaccessible from here. > > and finally, from my own experience, i've found melancholia to be a state > wherein creative output is astonishingly and satisfyingly consistent. i do > not, however, endorse it. > > les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:19:32 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states It's pretty dang complicated all right. Always seems to make sense when you're READING it, but if you were to try and explain it to someone you couldn't do it - at least not with a straight face. Still, I'm awfully glad that the process has been unpredictable this time around, makes it seem more genuine and less stamped and pattied. One of my co-workers suggested having the election like American Idol, do away with the parties and have ALL the candidates in weekly debates - after each one, one of the candidates gets voted off the island until there's one left. I'm all for it! Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "The Rescue Blues" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:05:07 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Imagine Whirled Peace Oh Hunnys (Paz spelling), you turn me on, I'm a radio, and I'm interrupting Breakfast Barney for a short commercial break: (From: http://www.imaginepeace.com/ ) "Monday 3rd March 2008 IMAGINE WHIRLED PEACE! Caramel & Sweet Cream Ice Creams Swirled with Fudge Peace Signs & Toffee Cookie Pieces. When Ben & Jerry's wanted to talk about peace, they couldn't think of a better person to exemplify the message than John Lennon. Through his art and lyrics he imagined a world without war and asked us all to 'Give Peace a Chance'. Ben & Jerry's hope this whirly mixture of toffee cookies and fudge peace signs enlightens your bellies and souls and makes you ask what you can do to promote peace in your lives." Imagine Whirled Peace ice cream castles in the air! *I* know! (bright as a neon light) Let's make an ice-cream birthday cake for Mark. Bon anniversaire, Mark in Sydney! You may say I'm a dreamer, but wouldn't it be nice if they made a Joni ice cream? Maybe I should call Ben and Jerry at the station. The first flavor that pops into my head is plain old half vanilla/half chocolate. Both Sides, Now. The could swirl it together like a little yin yang for you folks. Or how about: It's a Rough Rocky Road to Travel? AYKTMBM.... Sorry. I'm silly because -- not only is it Friday ("everybody's workin' for the weekend") -- but Spring Break starts TODAY. Yeeee haaaah! Peace, Patti P., a little bit corny, a wildwood flower wavin' for ya NR: Trials. Bless you, Anne! _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:13:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: shining hissing smoking NJC at this point Eric, I think you need to go to your happy secret place. NOW. :~} Kate, who believes that we are all more alike than we are different. Some like to see it the other way. A variation on the glass half empty half full idea i.e. some focus on the differences, some on the similarities. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:15:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC Clinton takes 3 states I agree. It is very exciting. Kate, still an Obama girl :~} >I don't feel terrible about finally having a choice. It's the first time in a very long time. Jerry< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: rian afriadi Subject: Bipolar Disorder, NJC I have a question... Is suffering manic state at day and then depression at night categorized as bipolar disorder? If not, what is it called? Rian PS. No, it's not about me, it's about my friend. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:06:36 -0600 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again I am not buying into anything and not repeating anything here. These are my original thoughts from my own head. Never got them from elsewhere, not repeating anything from elsewhere. You are a person who I respect. I do not want to argue with you that people of their own free will and volition might have negative thoughts about someone whose main claim to fame as "experienced" is being someone's spouse. I used to like her, not any more. If she is the nominee she has my joyless vote. Vince On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Laura Stanley wrote: > Vince wrote: > > I > She has no vision for America. She is cold and soulless like a shark. > There is nothing there but a grasp for power for the dynasty. > > > Hi Vince, > > If you aren't for nasty campaigning, why are you buying into it and > repeating it here? > > Love, > Laura > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:01:18 -0600 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Bipolar Disorder, NJC I think you'd want to have a doctor make that determination. And it certainly must be tough for your friend to live this way. I am praying right now that your friend will fgind healing from this pain and suffering. Vince On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:29 PM, rian afriadi wrote: > I have a question... > Is suffering manic state at day and then depression at night categorized > as bipolar disorder? > > If not, what is it called? > > Rian > PS. No, it's not about me, it's about my friend. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:29:28 +1100 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 98 - From a Leap to a March Mark Leon wrote: Well, here is the very performance I found on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etrj_rlIlOk Both festivals were before my time too, but both are legendary! As an Aussie myself, I miss Billy - his singing, his wit and his writing (he has written a couple of corkers about the Aussie rock industry) Hope you enjoy the clip. And Mark - have a terrific birthday in sunny Sydney! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: NJC Hillary takes 3 states, sent again Hi Vince, I respect you too and your right to your opinions. However, I've heard the term "dynasty" from others before you so I don't think this thought originated with you. It is used as a negative means to try to stop Hillary from being elected as in the following youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKSKxng0O0s I also don't think the erroneous concepts that Hillary is a cold person and is using Bill as her claim to experience originates with you either. These negative concepts and ideas are being used as part of a movement against her. From your posts which repeat these things I've heard previously elsewhere, it appears to me that you are buying into it. Love, Laura - --- On Sat, 3/8/08, Vince Lavieri wrote: > > I am not buying into anything and not repeating anything > here. > > These are my original thoughts from my own head. Never got > them from > elsewhere, not repeating anything from elsewhere. > > You are a person who I respect. I do not want to argue > with you that > people of their own free will and volition might have > negative thoughts > about someone whose main claim to fame as > "experienced" is being someone's > spouse. > > I used to like her, not any more. If she is the nominee > she has my joyless > vote. > > Vince > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Laura Stanley > wrote: > > > Vince wrote: > > > > I > > She has no vision for America. She is cold and > soulless like a shark. > > There is nothing there but a grasp for power for the > dynasty. > > > > > > Hi Vince, > > > > If you aren't for nasty campaigning, why are > you buying into it and > > repeating it here? > > > > Love, > > Laura > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #598 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------